Trump campaign ads with Nazi symbols

I had seen mentions of this story and thought it may have been a but over blown, but on looking at it in more detail it looks more bizarre and more concerning than I had thought.

RNZ: Facebook pulls Trump re-election ad featuring ‘Nazi’ symbolism

Facebook has removed ads from Donald Trump’s 2020 re-election campaign that featured imagery the social network says violates its policy banning “organised hate”.

The ads featured an upside-down triangle, which anti-hate groups said was strikingly similar to notorious Nazi symbols denoting political prisoners in World War II concentration camps.

“We removed these posts and ads for violating our policy against organised hate,” a Facebook spokesperson confirmed to Variety.

“Our policy prohibits using a banned hate group’s symbol to identify political prisoners without the context that condemns or discusses the symbol.”

The triangles are bad enough. But seems that it’s worse than that.

It has been reported that there were 88 ads posted on Facebook (now taken down).

ADL General Hate Symbols: 88

88 is a white supremacist numerical code for “Heil Hitler.” H is the eighth letter of the alphabet, so 88 = HH = Heil Hitler. One of the most common white supremacist symbols, 88 is used throughout the entire white supremacist movement, not just neo-Nazis. One can find it as a tattoo or graphic symbol; as part of the name of a group, publication or website; or as part of a screenname or e-mail address.

And from Facebook takes down Trump ads featuring symbol used by Nazis to mark political prisoners

Additionally, the first sentence of the ad has 14 words, a number that is used as shorthand for a famous white supremacist slogan and often combined with 88.

It is entirely possible that the numbers of ads and words in their first sentence are a coincidence, and the Trump campaign declined to comment.

It would seem odd if all of that is a coincidence.

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  1. artcroft

     /  19th June 2020

    If there are 88 ads, and who can say, except Zuckerberg (who took the ads down cos he felt the whole thing was dodgy as hell), then it isn’t a coincidence. Which means the president of the USA is campaigning as a neo nazi. Make of that what you will.

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    • artcroft

       /  19th June 2020

      From Reuters
      “A Reuters tally counted 88 versions of the ad using the symbol from the three Facebook pages. Ads from Trump’s page had gained at least 800,000 impressions, according to Facebook’s ad library.”

      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-trump/facebook-takes-down-trump-ads-over-organized-hate-policy-idUSKBN23P3AH

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    • artcroft

       /  19th June 2020

      So I guess Reuters can say as well. Crazy times.

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    • artcroft

       /  19th June 2020

      More and more Trump becomes a millionaire leading an army of the unemployed, while quoting the sermon on the mount.

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    • Pink David

       /  19th June 2020

      “Which means the president of the USA is campaigning as a neo nazi. ”

      Is he wanting to win the neo-nazi vote off Joe Biden?

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      • You’re doing a bit of squirrel diverting.

        Fox News covered the story partially: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/facebook-removes-trump-campaign-ad-about-far-left-groups-says-it-shows-hate-groups-symbol

        Trump and his campaign seem to be gradually offending more and more groups. It seems like a dumb strategy, if there’s any strategy involved.

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      • artcroft

         /  19th June 2020

        Holding a rally in Tulsa on Juneteenth, nazi symbols in facebook ads, claiming there were good people on both sides in Charlottesville. This is not coincidence. It deliberate. Its a choice his campaign is making to play to neo-nazis. It’s what he is. Is it what you are?

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        • Pink David

           /  20th June 2020

          ” It deliberate. Its a choice his campaign is making to play to neo-nazis.”

          If the neo nazis did not vote for Trump, who would they vote for?

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          • artcroft

             /  20th June 2020

            When you cast your vote, I guess you’ll know.

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            • Pink David

               /  20th June 2020

              Ah, that’s interesting.

              I don’t vote, so that will be somewhat confusing for everyone.

              I’d like to know who YOU think they will vote for.

              How much of a political weight do neo-nazis in the US have? Are they as numerous as, say, the Quakers? Will they swing the important states?

            • artcroft

               /  20th June 2020

              You’re correct – The extreme right have no wait at the ballot box, but that’s not their purpose, this isn’t their time and Trump’s not their man.

              However the boogaloos are gathering, coalescing, and they’re not going to disappear after Trump’s massive defeat in November.

            • artcroft

               /  20th June 2020

              weight not wait

            • Pink David

               /  20th June 2020

              I see. So Trump has neo-nazi symbolism because the neo-nazis won’t vote for him and regardless he will lose massively and it’s all about boogaloo.

              Got it.

              Biden has odds at 1.67, I guess you have placed a very sizable wager given your confidence.

          • artcroft

             /  20th June 2020

            I didn’t say they won’t vote for him they will. And racism has got him into the White House. Remember his birtherism campaign against Obama. What did that say but that Obama was an illegitimate president who wasn’t even American. That played well enough for him to reach the WH.

            And since then he hasn’t stopped. His base is racist, he knows it, they know it why he uses Neo Nazi memes. You know it and don’t deny it either.

            Trump will fail in November just like he’s failed every time other time. He talks a great game up can’t ever back it up. Even incumbency won’t save him. He’s another Carter.

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            • Pink David

               /  20th June 2020

              “And racism has got him into the White House. ”

              Trump won because large numbers of democrats did not show up to vote for Clinton. Hillary lost.

              “And since then he hasn’t stopped. His base is racist, he knows it, they know it why he uses Neo Nazi memes. You know it and don’t deny it either.”

              Can you point to the single policy he has enacted that proves him being a Nazi. Go on, give it a go.
              I think this is one of the most unhinged things I have ever read. You just love screaming NAZI at anyone who disagrees with you don’t you?

              You really have no idea what a nazi is.

              “Trump will fail in November just like he’s failed every time other time.”

              Just like his failure in 2016?

              “He’s another Carter.”

              Carter is a neo nazi! Fuck me, I never knew that. It all makes sense now.
              All those trips to Haiti. You can only wonder what a neo nazi was doing in Haiti.

            • “Trump won because…” of a range of reasons. The result was close, and it’s as easy (as Dems not voting) to claim that Russia may have been been the deciding influence. Or James Comey.

            • artcroft

               /  20th June 2020

              Sure racism got him into the WH. The republican voters didn’t pick Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz. They went for the guy who said Obama wasn’t truely American. Why, because Trump had proof of this…no because Obama was black. That’s the start of Trump’s ascent. Racism.

              And he’s kept going, the good people at Charlottesville, a rally at Tulsa on Juneteenth, these FB posts which Zuckerberg, whose not a shrinking violet, said were a bridge too far.
              The evidence is in. Trump panders to racists, That’s his base. And he’ll be a one term president, because America saw George Floyd killed by cops in board daylight and said enough.

            • Pink David

               /  20th June 2020

              “Trump panders to racists, ”

              Hang on a second. You started this about neo-nazis. Now your charge is ‘pandering’ to racists? That seems quite a difference.

              Are you now saying he just panders to people you don’t agree with now?

              Here was I thinking your claim was Trump was a Nazi.

            • Pink David

               /  20th June 2020

              ““Trump won because…” of a range of reasons. The result was close, and it’s as easy (as Dems not voting) to claim that Russia may have been been the deciding influence. Or James Comey.”

              You can claim anything you like. The data shows some very clear reasons. Hillary simply did not get anywhere near the vote Obama did. They stayed at home in all the places it mattered.

              Anyone who claims Russia was the difference is suffering from a serious delusion.

            • “The data shows some very clear reasons.”

              What data? Which reasons?

            • “Anyone who claims Russia was the difference is suffering from a serious delusion.”

              Russian attempts to interfere in the election were first disclosed publicly by members of the United States Congress on September 22, 2016, confirmed by United States intelligence agencies on October 7, 2016, and further detailed by the Director of National Intelligence office in January 2017.

              The Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee concluded in April 2020 that the January 2017 intelligence community assessment alleging Russian interference was “coherent and well-constructed”. The committee also concluded that the assessment was “proper”, learning from analysts that there was “no politically motivated pressure to reach specific conclusions”.

              According to U.S. intelligence agencies, the operation was ordered directly by Putin. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) opened the Crossfire Hurricane investigation of Russian interference on July 31, 2016, including a special focus on links between Trump associates and Russian officials and suspected coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

            • artcroft

               /  20th June 2020

              Neo-nazis are well known for their views on race. You pick at the edges of my argument and divert onto Hilary and take my analogy with Carter to silly places. But offer not serious counter arguments.

              You’re flailing and Trump’s failing. Sad.

            • Pink David

               /  20th June 2020

              Why would I offer any ‘counter’? You are not interested in any challenge to your view, anything that does challenge it causes you pain.

              I’m asking you what the purpose of all this is, and you can’t answer that. Trump has no need of the ‘neo-nazi’ vote, it’s a laughably small number of people would could be described as such. Yet, here you are believing Trumps advertising is full of symbolism sending messages to neonazis.

              I am picking at the very heart of your argument; WHY? For what purpose? What is this message?

              What you appear to be doing is simply believing that many tens of millions of Americans are, in your mind, neo-nazi’s. You even imply that I am in this discussion.

              What makes someone a neo-nazi?

            • Pink David

               /  20th June 2020

              As for the Russians!!!!!!! hoax. Show a single source that has any supporting data on anything they did that made a difference in the voting in the election. Show that.

              4 years of investigations, an impeachment and there is still nothing. Under oath, every single person who claimed to have ‘evidence’ admitted they had not a damn thing.

              The Russians spent tens of thousands of dollars on Facebook ads and you think that swung the election? You may as well just blame the neo-Nazi’s.

              The data you need to look at is who turned out and compare it to previous elections. Trump’s result was almost identical to Mitt Romney’s. Mitt would have won against Clinton with an almost identical electoral collage result if he repeated his 2012 result. I guess that was neo nazis as well.

            • “The data you need to look at is who turned out and compare it to previous elections.”

              That’s only one part of the whole picture. Why did fewer people vote for Clinton than Obama? Why did three times as many vote for an independent candidate? Plenty of likely possible reasons. Elections are complex, especially the US presidential. Cherry picking reasons to suit a bias is misguided and misleading.

            • “Show a single source that has any supporting data on anything they did that made a difference in the voting in the election. Show that.”

              In describing Russia’s efforts leading up to the 2016 election, Kushner emphasized what he called the relatively small amount of money Russian agents spent advertising on social media.

              Fact check: Were Facebook ads the extent of Russian election interference?

              The short answer: No.

              The long answer: The redacted version of Justice Department special counsel Robert Mueller’s report revealed a years-long plot by the Russian government to interfere in the U.S. that investigators called “sweeping and systemic.”

              As to the amount of money expended on Facebook ads, the company said Russian operatives did spend less than $200,000 on advertising on the platform — but that doesn’t account for the organic content the operatives created and shared.

              Not only were influence specialists within Russia’s Internet Research Agency purchasing normal advertisements, they were authoring their own posts, memes and other content as they posed as American users.

              They also reached out to politically active Americans, posing as like-minded supporters, and helped organize rallies and other events in the real world.

              Facebook says the Internet Research Agency may have reached as many as 126 million people. Separately, Twitter announced that about 1.4 million people may have been in contact with IRA-controlled accounts.

              The social media aspect of the interference was just one dimension. Cyberattackers also went after political victims in the United States — whose emails and other data were released publicly to embarrass them — and state elections officials and other targets. And there may have been other avenues of interference as well.

              https://www.npr.org/2019/04/24/716374421/fact-check-russian-interference-went-far-beyond-facebook-ads-kushner-described

            • artcroft

               /  20th June 2020

              Why? Cos it’s all he’s got to campaign on. He can’t boast about the fabulous wall he built, or his healthcare reforms, or a booming economy. He’s delivered none of those. And before you decide to shift blame away from the “very stable genius” who is “the greatest deal maker of all time” remember he claimed to be; a very stable genius who was the greatest deal maker of all time. Pfffft.

              He’s got nothing to campaign on but his follower’s prejudices and hatreds. So that’s what he is doing.

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    • Gezza

       /  19th June 2020

      Trump’s going full moron to win the election.
      Mind you, other morons will still support him.

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      • Gezza

         /  19th June 2020

        We should be able to count some of them who visit here from the downticks above.

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  3. David

     /  19th June 2020

    It’s a symbol,used by Antfa which the ad was aimed at. In case you are unaware Trumps favourite child, closest advisor and some of his oldest friends are Jews.
    Trump has been in the public eye for 30 years with many black friends and overnight he is now a vicious racist. Shut up with the total nonsense the guy doubled the funding of black colleges, passed the first step act and many other iniatives.

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  4. FaremerPete

     /  20th June 2020

    Websites in the US reporting this am that these symbols have been associated with Antifa. I have no idea if that is true, but I am 100% certain that the Trump campaign would not knowingly feed the outrage mob by running ads with Nazi symbols.

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    • “Websites in the US reporting this”

      There’s a wide variety of websites that ‘report’ things in the US, including deliberately misleading and false claims.

      The Trump campaign claimed the symbols were connected to ‘Antifa’ (which is not a thing, it is a loose association of a wide variety of groups and individuals).

      But from Fox news:

      The Trump campaign, though, responded that the upside-down red triangle is a symbol used by Antifa and called out Facebook for including one as an emoji in its messenger.

      “The inverted red triangle is a symbol used by Antifa, so it was included in an ad about Antifa,” Tim Murtaugh, the campaign’s communications director, told Fox News. “We would note that Facebook still has an inverted red triangle emoji in use, which looks exactly the same, so it’s curious that they would target only this ad.”

      He added: “The image is also not included in the Anti-Defamation League’s database of symbols of hate. But it is ironic that it took a Trump ad to force the media to implicitly concede that Antifa is a hate group.”

      While Antifa operates in a semi-autonomous fashion, most imagery associated with the group does not feature an upside-down red triangle. Instead, the symbols most commonly associated with the group are a circle with red and black flags in it or a circle with three arrows pointing down and to the left.

      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/facebook-removes-trump-campaign-ad-about-far-left-groups-says-it-shows-hate-groups-symbol

      But the Trump campaign claims have been disputed by the ADL themselves.

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  5. artcroft

     /  20th June 2020

    I looked on google images for antifa symbols. The red triangle doesn’t appear, just a doulble flag red and black captured within a black circle.

    The fact is Trump has never denounced the far-right, and used all their symbols. You can’t just say “well it seems implausible so it can’t be so.” It’s happened too much. It’s an entrenched pattern. Plus his followers are all into exactly these sorts of secret messages and signs. So Trump is signalling them.

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    • Pink David

       /  20th June 2020

      “Plus his followers are all into exactly these sorts of secret messages and signs”

      What is the message?

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  6. This narrative about the red triangle being associated with antifa has been hyped up online by Trump supporters. But its all just more of the same divisive political theatre that Trump revels in.

    A Google search of antifa symbols only brings up connections to the upside down red triangle in relation to this latest story.

    Moreover it seems that according to the US Department of Homeland Security the US government itself doesn’t view antifa as a significant threat in the homeland. It’s groups like the far-right racist boogaloo movement that are flagged by the DHS as the greater threat to law enforcement.

    And the federal and local arrest records from the past 3 weeks of demonstrations make virtually no mention of antifa.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/19/leaked-document-makes-trumps-use-nazi-era-symbol-look-worse/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/protests-antifa-absent/2020/06/13/7f14b8fa-ab80-11ea-9063-e69bd6520940_story.html

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  7. Trump posted a deranged video on Twitter a couple of days ago which falsely depicted a CNN report about a “racist baby” on the loose, Twitter responded by placing a “Manipulated Media” warning label on his tweet.

    Now both Facebook and Twitter have taken the video down because Trump breached copyright of the owners of the video (shades of the National Party’s breach of Eminem’s copyright in 2017).

    Zuckerberg has long been hesitant to take any action against Trump. But thus far this week he has banned a Trump campaign ad which featured a Nazi symbol, and now taken down his toddler video as well.

    Trump’s losing that ‘glow of infallibility’ that he had, from his bullying-apprentice days. Even the people who profit from his antics are stepping back.

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  8. and it’s also fair to remind ourselves that Trump has been down the Nazi dog-whistle pathway before

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  9. Harry

     /  20th June 2020

    Sometimes a triangle is just a triangle…

    Also – there are 88 keys on a piano. They are both black and white. Is that racist?

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