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  1. Reply
    • The old version of that joke is ‘Do all fairy tales begin with ‘Once upon a time’, mama ?’
      “No darling, some of them begin with ‘Hello, my dear. I have been detained at the office.’

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    • An agent provocateur; I hope he gets what’s coming to him, the damned fool.

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      • The PDT doesn’t know what that means or what the implications of the person’s actions are.I wonder how many people would have been killed by this soldier ? Wake up, PDT.

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    • This criminal case didn’t suddenly surface out of thin air.

      The DOJ press release says that the SDNY has been working on the case since May, and in arrested the suspect back on June 10th.

      So this was a case that Berman and Strauss have been overseeing all along.

      But the timing of the announcement leaps off the page. Strauss is announcing these charges on her very first day on the job, which doesn’t feel like a coincidence.

      Strauss has been part of several politically sensitive cases infiltrating Trump’s orbit, including the tax fraud and campaign finance case brought against Cohen, the investigation into Giuliani, and the Epstein affair.

      It feels like she’s looking to establish her position by coming out swinging immediately.

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  3. Patzcuaro

     /  23rd June 2020

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  23rd June 2020

      Looks like it doesn’t pay to live in a country run by right wing nationalists.

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    • Pink David

       /  23rd June 2020

      Funny how it’s all about cases now, and not deaths. I wonder what’s going on..,.

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      • As with the plague, the deaths per capita seem to have become fewer…for the moment. In that case, the number of cases went down, rose again then levelled off and finally stopped.

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      • There’s a lag effect. Remember that there is 4-8+ weeks from testing positive to dying in a hospital

        Deaths are down because of lock-downs in late-April and May.

        Now the lock-downs are easing, the positive tests are rising again.

        Wherever the cases go, deaths follow. Give it a month for the positive cases to become hospital admissions, and a couple of weeks for hospital admissions to become ventilator-support death stats.

        Just like all the ‘good news’ about Sweden … which became bad news, then a systemic failure as the months progressed.

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        • Pink David

           /  23rd June 2020

          “4-8+ weeks from testing positive to dying in a hospital”

          Deaths peak in the US on the 8th May at 2701. It has steady trended down since then to 292 yesterday.

          “Wherever the cases go, deaths follow.”

          This is untrue. As I have pointed out the average age of a positive test has plunged. Deaths are almost entirely of those over 60. Average age of a covid death is 80+. The average age of a positive test is now 35.

          ” Give it a month for the positive cases to become hospital admissions, and a couple of weeks for hospital admissions to become ventilator-support death stats.”

          Let’s check in in 6 weeks then. That will be interesting.

          “Just like all the ‘good news’ about Sweden … which became bad news, then a systemic failure as the months progressed.”

          Really? Systemic failure? The models claimed 100,000 would die in Sweden. The have had better outcome to the UK, France, Belgium etc without the massive cost of the lockdowns. Where is your evidence a lockdown would have saved a single life?

          The mistake Sweden has made, the same as the UK and NY and Italy was not protecting the rest homes. That is the majority of deaths in all cases. The UK NHS sent covid patents into the rest homes to clear the hospitals, which was repeated by New York.

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  23rd June 2020

        Splitting hairs?

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        • Pink David

           /  23rd June 2020

          “Splitting hairs?”

          I thought it was the dying that was the bad part? Having covid is asymptotic for most people, they don’t even notice they have it.

          Again, the ages are important. Anyone under 60 with covid has almost no risk of dying. It’s lower than the risk of having a deadly car accident.

          Have you stopped driving?

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  5. Pink David

     /  23rd June 2020

    Going to be interesting to see how this all ends

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    • Pink David

       /  23rd June 2020

      Does it get anymore woke than a shirtless white man screaming about racism into the face of a black police officer?

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      • Gezza

         /  23rd June 2020

        Jesus – that white dude’s a really nasty piece of crap. Unbelievable what he’s saying to that black cop. Disgusting.

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        • Gezza

           /  23rd June 2020

          There must be some statute that prick can be arrested & charged under? That’s the most racist tirade I’ve heard so far.

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  6. Pink David

     /  23rd June 2020

    Democrats are demanding an end to woman’s sports. Hard not to laugh.

    “A group of congressional Democrats signed a letter on Wednesday demanding that the Department of Education allow males to participate in girls sports.”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/congressional-dems-sign-letter-demanding-education-dept-allow-males-in-girls-sports/

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    • I suspect that they are making a point, and fair enough.

      At Waikato a man was shown into the ‘women’s room’. It was the holidays, no one was around. When this was discovered, the hoohah couldn’t have been greater had he and the bloke showing him round burst in and raped someone.

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  7. Gezza

     /  23rd June 2020

    Question Time has started with tributes to Constable Matthew Hunt.
    Ardern first, now Mark Mitchell, for National.

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd June 2020

      Winston Peters next. He ended with “Police lives matter”.
      No 2, James Shaw, speaking now for the Greens. Davidson seems to be absent.

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      • Gezza

         /  23rd June 2020

        The end. Motion agreed to.
        Nothing from Act. Seymour might be absent.

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      • Gezza

         /  23rd June 2020

        Oh no. Davidson’s there. She’s asking patsy questions of No 2, James Shaw on Climate Change.

        Perhaps she didn’t want to pay the Green’s tribute to the murdered constable? Too concerned about the optics seeing she’s a regular complainer about the NZ police being racially biased.

        How many BIPOCs do the NZ police routinely save from violent situations with other BIPOCs, one wonders.

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        • duperez

           /  23rd June 2020

          Shaw and Davidson could both have had a turn I suppose. Someone then could’ve moaned about them having two goes.

          Davidson by herself could have done it on behalf of their party then someone could’ve bitched about men being dominated in that party, Shaw being a wimp, or whatever.

          I’m trying to work out why anyone would be so sensitive about something so trivial and seem to be trying to turn it into an issue.

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          • Gezza

             /  23rd June 2020

            She’s the number 1 of the Party, according to their list.

            I reckon stop trying to figure it out.

            I don’t see paying tribute to a murdered police officer as trivial.

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            • duperez

               /  23rd June 2020

              For election 2020 she is number one on their party list. At the moment she isn’t. The ‘trivial’ reference was about sensitivity around who makes a speech and trying to make some big deal about it.

              The tribute was serious and would have been whoever made it. For some reason it attracted your attention and a snide comment.

            • She could have just said something about totally agreeing with JS and left it at that.

            • Gezza

               /  23rd June 2020

              @ duperez

              Don’t come the raw prawn with me, Sunshine.

              There’s nothing snide about my comment. She’s a constant overblown critic of the police. They spend a helluva lot of their time sorting out violence & shit going down with Maori offenders, and dancing around because they’re hopelessly outnumbered by primarily Maori gang scum. And that includes Maori police officers.

              It’s about time she stood up for them. Her taking a back seat on this matter indicates to me she refuses to do that because her preferred political stance is to be attacking them, not ever defending or thanking them.

              She’d be the first to complain if they rang her up & said, here – you sort out this bashing, robbing, intimidation or whatever shit going down we’ve just got a call about.

              @ Kitty
              Shaw said his statement met with her approval. The easy way out. I think she should have delivered it.

            • duperez

               /  23rd June 2020

              She’s ‘taking a back seat’ in your sensitive mind. The leader of the party, the number one ranked in the party gave the tribute.

              After being upset by that you moved on to being upset about Coffey speaking Māori. Is it ‘Bundle of Fun Tuesday’?

            • Gezza

               /  23rd June 2020

              There’s no need to be so facetious.

              I’m commenting on a matter I think is important. Marama Davidson in my opinion is so anti-police so often that in my view she contributes to the problems they face by encouraging anyone Maori to abuse & accuse them of racism them at every opportunity when they’re just doing their job trying to arrest offenders or sort out trouble.

              And at least everyone can understand what I’m saying when I post.

              I found Coffey’s ONE question in Maori silly. Pure tokenism. And at least I’ve found the solution to not being able to understand what the hell Robertson was replying to.

              It’s got nothing to do with this issue. I suggest you go back to your knitting. And stay away from the concrete mixer. 🙃

          • I didn’t see that; if it was on 3 news, it would have been on the first 15 min, which I missed; couldn’t be bothered seeing it on +1.

            I wonder how she’d feel about the Old Bill if she was being robbed or attacked.

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd June 2020

      The best one, imo

      Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Deputy Prime Minister): On behalf of the New Zealand First Party, we extend our sympathies to the family and friends of Constable Matthew Hunt, as well as the wider police community. An appalling tragedy, Constable Hunt’s death demonstrates the risk that police officers face every day. We’re also reminded of the 32 New Zealand police officers who fell before him.

      That is a sobering glimpse into the dangers that our law officers face whilst maintaining the safety of all New Zealanders. Being a police officer is not an easy job. Many officers are exposed to violence and disorder on a daily basis, allowing the general public to carry out their lives with levels of security unthinkable in other countries. We are all indebted to officers like Constable Hunt for their service to New Zealand in the most dangerous of circumstances.

      Constable Hunt paid the ultimate price for the cowardly actions of a criminal, one who we hope to see incarcerated for the longest period of time for which the law allows. Constable Hunt represented the best that the New Zealand police force has to offer. He was a consummate professional who served his country with distinction and honour. Mr Speaker and colleagues, police lives matter. May he rest in peace.

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  8. Gezza

     /  23rd June 2020

    Question 2

    TAMATI COFFEY to the Minister of Finance: He aha ngā rīpoata hou kua kitea e ia mō te ōhanga o Aotearoa?

    Robertson totally failed to answer this in Maori.

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    • That is a total affectation on Tamati’s part. There are too many important issues at the moment for this sort of PC.

      He speaks English; his husband is English and their child is half-English.

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      • Gezza

         /  23rd June 2020

        Yeah, I know. It’s woke pretentious. Today’s List of Oral Questions on the Parliament website shows the translation.

        But I was watching Question Time live so had no clue what he was asking.

        Robertson answered in English, & all Coffey’s supplementary questions he asked in English.

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        • Gezza

           /  23rd June 2020

          Yay. After reading the advice on the Parliament website, I’ve just set me tv – while watching the QT replay – to “Maori” which gave me a simultaneous English translation when Coffey was doing his token first question in te reo Maori. Hopefully that now stays as the default setting.

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd June 2020

      1News at 6 had quite a long item on this last night, also saying that Ardern had been personally involved and thatvit was nearing a solution. Pania Newton was also shown, expressing her satisfaction with this having been one of the most important things she’s done in her life or similar. I can’t find it on the tvnz website today tho.

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  9. Corky

     /  23rd June 2020

    What’s the use of telling everyone to eat fruit and veges for health when you are legally able to spray this shit? 😟🙄

    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/kiwifruit-spray-under-regulatory-spotlight/ar-BB15NuzB?ocid=spartanntp

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18951270/

    Quote:

    ”Conclusions: Based on the calls received by the NZNPC, acute exposure to hydrogen cyanamide in the workplace or acute exposure to those living within the vicinity of its use may not pose a significant immediate threat to human health.”

    Translation: If you think this stuff is affecting your health…you are a nutter. Of course, if you become ill 20 years down the track there will be no proof hydrogen cyanamide was the cause.

    The same tactic is used to assure the public cell phones, towers and 5G are safe. That monitoring is ongoing about long term effects.

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    • Most people WASH their fruit and veg. Don’t you ?

      I don’t eat the skins of kiwifruit. Do you ???

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  23rd June 2020

      You can’t get cheap good without chemicals, you have the option of paying more for organic food.

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      • Corky

         /  23rd June 2020

        Exactly. And you can’t get rid of most chemicals by washing and removing the skins. Some chemicals are systemic. And of course, you can’t wash down the environment.
        I always eat organic..but what about people who can’t afford to? They are already bypassing mince, and tubers like potatoes have their tops killed off with Roundup, so they are basically eating crap.

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  23rd June 2020

          There is always the option of growing your own

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          • Corky

             /  23rd June 2020

            ”There is always the option of growing your own.”

            What!!! This is New Zealand. A food grant is way less effort.

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            • That might make sense if everyone had these, but they don’t, so it doesn’t.

              You had handouts during the lockdowns, or so you said. I assume that you ate the contents.

              Kiwifruit can’t be grown everywhere. And it’s hard to imagine that a spray would penetrate their skins. You’re always talking about the time you spend in the supermarket; do you buy things from there ?

            • Do you eat potato tops ?

              If Roundup went into potatoes, it would kill them.

  10. Something happened while Fat Elvis was kicking off his farewell tour in Tulsa.

    The US Department of Justice released newly unredacted parts of Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 US election.

    The parts involved Roger Stone, the president’s friend and confidant. They were redacted while Stone’s federal trial was ongoing.

    The newly unredacted parts make it abundantly clear there was a link between Trump and the Kremlin operatives attacking Democrat Hillary Clinton. That link was Stone.

    They show that Stone told Trump during a speakerphone conference that he had spoken with Julian Assange and that WikiLeaks would be publishing the documents in a matter of days. And they show that Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, and Michael Cohen listened in on that call.

    And they show that Trump knew that Manafort and Gates had asked Stone to find out what other damaging information about Clinton WikiLeaks possessed, and that Stone’s claimed connection to WikiLeaks was common knowledge within the Campaign.

    Which means that when Trump denied being aware of any communications between Stone, Manafort, Gates, or Donald Trump Jr. and WikiLeaks or Assange, he was lying to Mueller.

    Which explains why Barr misled the public about the contents of Mueller’s report.

    All the truth will come out eventually.

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonleopold/roger-stone-warned-trump-wikileaks-clinton-dump

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  11. Corky

     /  23rd June 2020

    Police are to be congratulated on taking down the Mongols MC gang. However, it was the Mob and BP that should have been removed first. I guess being Maori they must be treated differently.

    The Mongols at one time were the most feared motorcycle gang in America until internal strife weakened them.

    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/greg-williams-police-relieved-after-mongols-bay-of-plenty-chapter-taken-down/

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd June 2020

      Might be coming up, or not. It’s wait & see, I reckon.

      It was the headline item on 1News at 6 tonight.

      “This proactive action was taken to prevent an attack on a rival gang.

      “What this investigation will allege is that this organised crime group was involved in the sale and supply of methamphetamine and cocaine on a commercial level into the Bay of Plenty as well as across the North Island, causing significant harm to our communities.

      “The ongoing violence between this organised crime group and other local gangs is simply about controlling a share of this drug market, and all these gangs have made it clear that they are prepared to use violence to protect their share.

      “This includes not only arming up, but a very clear propensity to use these firearms and commit other violent acts such as arson, serious assaults, aggravated robberies and serious violence, seriously impacting on the wellbeing of Bay of Plenty communities at large.”

      Police said there have been six known shooting incidents in the Bay of Plenty involving the Mongols and other gangs.”

      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/police-arrest-all-mongols-mc-gangs-senior-leaders-seize-bomb-drugs-and-ak-47s-in-bay-plenty-raids?auto=6166520914001

      The police have been reported to have mounted two other large scale raids on organised gang crims in the last fortnight or so. The others might’ve been the Mongrels. One down South, the other in the Waikato, I think. That only deals to the drug kingpins & traders tho.

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      • It would make no sense not to go for the worst ones first. The Mongols came here for one reason only, from the sound of it, and that was crime.

        I see little point in ignoring them in favour of those committing lesser crimes or even none at all.

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      • The races of the gangs is totally irrelevant. If Corky was right, the MM & BP would be left to do as they liked, and they aren’t.

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd June 2020

      The organised crime group have been quite busy over the past couple of months. Here’s a sample

      Up to $1.2 million in cash, class A drugs and firearms have been seized by Police in raids on gangs – as the country was under coronavirus lockdown.

      While members of the public hunkered down in late March, authorities continued efforts to crack down on organised crime. More than 100 search warrants around the country resulted in nearly 50 firearms being seized and more than 90 people being arrested in the last two months and over the period of alert levels 4 and 3.

      Gangs targeted in that time were the Comancheros, Mongrel Mob, Black Power, Nomads, Head Hunters, Rebels, King Cobras, Mongols and the Tribesmen.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=1233265

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300037634/police-raid-hells-angels-gang-pads

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/121756591/more-west-coast-drug-arrests-after-police-raid-greymouth-house

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      • Corky

         /  23rd June 2020

        Very impressive. The reason I wanted the Mob and BP taken out first is because the public have more chance of running into problems with these gangs than others. While other gangs have the potential to me more dangerous…I am yet to see them blocking off streets; continuously fighting in public and regularly bashing non gang-bangers.

        The problem is NZ Maori gangs bring their families with them. So it’s not so easy as say dealing to the Hells Angels who compartmentalise their business and generally don’t involve family. These gangs are way more sophisticated.

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  12. Patzcuaro

     /  23rd June 2020

    NASCAR has banned the confederate flag but some fans can’t accept it and are flying it outside and overhead. A noose has been found in the garage of Bubba Watson who is leading the charge against the confederate flag. Here is the rest of the pit rallying behind him.

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    • Pink David

       /  23rd June 2020

      “A noose has been found in the garage of Bubba Watson who is leading the charge against the confederate flag.”

      Did Jussie Smollett write the script?

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  23rd June 2020

        Who the heck is Jussie Smollett?

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  23rd June 2020

        No script require just white supremacists by the bucket full.

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        • Pink David

           /  23rd June 2020

          They even work in Macys

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          • Corky

             /  24th June 2020

            Yeah, where’s the outrage? And people wonder why I despise the left and white middleclass liberals… and ethnic ferals.

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        • Corky

           /  24th June 2020

          Update. The noose had nothing to do with racism . It had been in the shed for some time. Bubba is safe to race on whithout having to worry about whitey.😃

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        • Pink David

           /  24th June 2020

          There are so few white supremacists in the USA you need to invent their crimes

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  13. Gezza

     /  23rd June 2020

    Just had another earthquake. Checking geonet…

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd June 2020

      When Tue Jun 23 2020 8:21 PM
      Where 10 km west of Porirua
      Shaking Light
      Magnitude 3.9
      Depth 22 km
      Quality preliminary

      Heard the rumble – knew it was coming before it hit the house.

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      • Gezza

         /  23rd June 2020

        Very light. Didn’t even upset the pooks. The last one did.

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        • Gezza

           /  23rd June 2020

          Confirmed above
          Magnitude 3.9
          Depth 23 km
          Quality best

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  23rd June 2020

          I have too many pooks, do you want some?

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          • Gezza

             /  23rd June 2020

            6 already is enuf for me thanks. Their kids are too whiney & get into too much mischief.

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