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  1. David

     /  24th June 2020

    After a week of asking we find out that since the tougher border regime that 51 of 55 people let out early for compassionate reasons were “not tested” and 2 of the 4 that were tested were tested as they shot out the door so the results wouldnt have been known.
    No wonder Ardern said Bloomfield will give you an answer and he has waited as long as possible and released the figures late in the evening.
    Either there is some deliberate attempt to spread the virus or this has to be the worst run quarantine system the world has ever seen…when Ardern advised her ministers there was no need to answer media inquiries as they were so popular I am guessing its the latter.

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  2. John J Harrison

     /  24th June 2020

    David, absolutely correct.
    Jacinda claimed to be a perfectionist while at the same time boldly stating that her colleagues could ignore media questions as they were so popular.
    The sheer arrogance is absolutely mind blowing.
    Now we know that 1,000’s are running around in our community without being tested.
    At the same time Jacinda stated that out border procedures were “. Gold standard “ and the best in the world.
    Who could possibly believe anything she says ?

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    • Gezza

       /  24th June 2020

      Graham Adams took a long look at that topic in this opinion piece in Stuff yesterday

      Gezza / 23rd June 2020
      “At a time when a wave of iconoclasm has meant no statue or monument appears safe from destruction – whether it is Gandhi, Churchill or Captain Cook – Judith Collins has taken the opportunity to attack a living icon who has been feted in some quarters, both here and abroad, as the world’s greatest leader: Jacinda Ardern.

      Such is Ardern’s popularity and mana that most opponents consider it too risky to attack her directly by impugning her essential goodness – not least because there is a widespread belief that, unlike many elected representatives, she is always well-intentioned, humble and honest.

      In fact, Ardern made that last claim herself when she told the nation during the second leaders’ debate in 2017 that not only was it possible to not lie in politics but that she had never told a lie as a politician. If she did lie, she said, she would own up to it.

      Nevertheless, Collins echoed the thoughts of many New Zealanders when she said repeatedly on The AM Show on Friday that the prime minister had lied. ”We have been lied to actually. We have been lied to about the quarantine, about the standard of care.”

      She also said Ardern had lied by implying she was calling in the military to shore up our border defences against Covid-19 when its staff had, in fact, been working there for months. She summarised the prime minister’s response after the damaging flood of media stories about the lax border controls as: “Don’t worry! We’re bringing in the army!” – and described it as a “plain lie”.

      Her fellow guest, Minister of Employment Willie Jackson, was clearly unnerved by these very direct challenges to his leader’s self-proclaimed virtue. He declared it to be “a bit over the line if you’re going to start accusing the Prime Minister of lying…. [as] a senior and respected member of the Opposition. Seriously, I don’t see there’s any lies that are coming from our Prime Minister.”

      Protecting the mana of Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is crucial to Labour’s chances at the polls this year.

      Jackson insisted that the prime minister is “a person of huge integrity and very honest” – presumably hoping that this assertion would immediately settle the matter even though they were the exact attributes being questioned.

      On the chess board of politics, Ardern is Labour’s Queen and must be protected at all costs. The party knows that if the mana of their pre-eminent star is successfully undermined, it will sink. And critical to that mana is maintaining her reputation as an honest politician without guile who has only concern for the good of others – and particularly children – as her motivation.”

      More … (a bit of a magnum opus)
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300040526/taking-the-high-road-nationals-strategy-to-neutralise-jacinda-ardern

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    • duperez

       /  24th June 2020

      Ardern in passing made a remark about being a perfectionist. That has turned her in the eyes of some into an obsessive, driven relentlessly as obsessives are, to make sure that everything is perfect. And to be used against her when someone says something in her orbit isn’t perfect.

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      • Gezza

         /  24th June 2020

        No it hasn’t. Quite the reverse. If she had been “an obsessive, driven relentlessly to make sure that everything is perfect”, it would have been, & this omnishambles wouldn’t have happened.

        What seems to me to have quite likely happened here is that, after pressure came on from media, opposition, & an increasingly restless public wanting to get let out & back to as normal as possible after weeks of lockdown which had been successful in eliminating community transmission, Ardern made it known that, instead of sticking to 22 June, the original deadline, by which time the quarantine system & communication lines would quite possibly have been in better condition, she wanted to go early to level 1 if possible – rather than risk losing some of the stratospheric popular support shown in the polls.

        That panicked those who should have been responsible for testing the system first into rushing it to meet what they considered were her new “expectation”.

        Result: Train wreck. Reason? Nobody knows. Nobody’s even clear yet who was responsible for what, exactly. This All of Government Response Team is amorphous. What was Mike Bush’s job? What’s Ombler’s? Who’s in charge of internal comms? Why were people on the ground unclear what the exact “expectations” were?

        There’ll be a flurry of butt covering & finger pointing & blame diverting going on in the background to ensure it turns out that nobody was to blame because everybody was.

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    • John, with everything else that’s been going on, that ignore the press email had slipped my mind. Thanks for the reminder.

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    • If ours are the gold standard world’s best, I’d hate to see the worst . And I’d hardly put the PM (or Boris Johnson or Trump or……) in the same category as Gandhi; dream on.

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  3. Light rail dumped:

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    • John J Harrison

       /  24th June 2020

      Pete, fantastic.
      But again the ineptitude of [Deleted, please use proper names for politicians, parties and governments] is mind blowing.
      Over the past 3 years the tax payers have had literally $10’s millions wasted on consultants, civil service and local body personal chasing Twyford’s vanity project without first getting his partners buy- in.
      A total cluster from the most inept government ever.

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      • A Huntly builder who makes prefab houses that are good enough for anyone to live in spoke to Phil Twyford in Tauranga (I think, anyway, the conversation took place) and they had a long conversation about how cheaply these and similar ones could be built. Twyford sounded seriously interested but later said that he didn’t remember it. Meanwhile he was having expensive but (not) worth it houses built that sat on the market indefinitely because even if they were in places where houses were wanted, other houses were better value.

        The prefab idea does seem to have been taken up now. Finally.

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      • Corky

         /  24th June 2020

        Excellent. The day speech kills someone, is the day we worry.

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    • Gezza

       /  24th June 2020

      Ardern & Co have just had their strongest lesson in the dangers of dealing Peters in to your coalition. He’s sniffed the air, I reckon, & decided that with Labour possibly dropping in the polls after their Covid-19 quarantine omnishambles, & National possibly being desperate enuf to need him, his best bet is to throw a spanner in the Labour works & position himself to go with either party.

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  5. Pink David

     /  24th June 2020

    So the BLM movement is now mostly about white people yelling at black people.

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    • Pink David

       /  24th June 2020

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      • Gezza

         /  24th June 2020

        Nutters.

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      • Corky

         /  24th June 2020

        .Goggles..please?! Just go back to suburbia and have a latte. Do some online shopping. Maybe a little yoga. America needs the black cop, but it doesn’t need you.

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      • Pink; telling someone that is really annoying and patronising.

        I still remember when I was going through a crisis and finding it hard not to show it, some grinning stranger said ‘Smile. it may never happen !’ It had happened and it was happening.

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  6. duperez

     /  24th June 2020

    Fun and games in Trumpland.
    “Aaron Zelinsky, an assistant U.S. attorney in Maryland who previously served on former special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s team, is expected to tell House lawmakers Wednesday that the senior-most Justice Department officials pressured government lawyers in Roger Stone’s criminal trial to treat him “differently and more leniently” during his trial, “based on political considerations” and “because of his relationship with the President.”

    Zeinksky’s statement makes for interesting reading.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/read-aaron-zelinsky-s-opening-statement-to-the-house-judiciary-committee/c8d10cfa-3de6-4dc5-93a1-0254593a11b6/?itid=hp_hp-banner-main_housejudiciary-525pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

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  7. Corky

     /  24th June 2020

    Hard working Kiwis? Not when you have a social welfare system like ours.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300041072/40anhour-jobs-going-but-where-are-the-applicants

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    • MaureenW

       /  24th June 2020

      They’d probably be worse off working than accepting the current hand-outs.

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    • If you think that anyone on the UB gets $1600 a week (assuming that the person ho earns $40 an hour) does 40 hours) you’re dreaming. Don’t tell us that a niece/relly does.

      People can’t just walk in and start work as sparkies. It needs training.

      The labourers get half that.

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      • …(assuming that the person who earns $40 an hour does 40 hours)

        You told us that you accepted food parcel handouts in the lockdown.

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  8. Blazer

     /  24th June 2020

    As usual the content does not validate the ..headline.

    He can’t get qualified electricians for $40 an hour!!!!No kidding.

    Similar to the recent front page story about the shortage of farm workers who could get $32 an hour.
    When you read the story the real offer was maximum sweat for minimalist waGes ,far lower than ..$32.
    Wages is usually the biggest expense.
    Containing them increases profits.
    Therein lies the primary reason why there are over 300,000 people on working’ visas in NZ.

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    • Corky

       /  24th June 2020

      Blazer, I can honestly say I was think of you this morning. I was thinking given Labour is in big trouble, the Hive will need to activate you. Your one track ideology is always a joy to behold. It makes me treasure my intellectual acuity all the more.

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  9. Pink David

     /  24th June 2020

    From the America is awesome file.

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    • Gezza

       /  24th June 2020

      Looks like a budding candidate for a Darwin Award.

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      • Corky

         /  24th June 2020

        Yep, looks like Louisiana/Florida swamp.They have more than eels in those areas.

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      • I have seen an old fool on a motorscooter whose ‘helmet’ is made of plastic (about the thickness of an icecream carton and about as much use if he came off) and doesn’t have straps. Not that they’d stop the damage. Why anyone would risk their life for the cost of a motorcycle helmet is a mystery; the motorcycle is new.

        He is another Darwin Award entrant.

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    • Corky

       /  24th June 2020

      Also on Three News… the gloves are off between Labour, NZ First and the Greens.

      And the Minister of Health and Ashley Bloomfield seem to have fallen out.

      Wow! Can National take the election out? I don’t think so, but Jacinda will need to work hard to retain power.

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