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  1. Patzcuaro

     /  26th June 2020

    Second consecutive day of record high positive COVID-19 test results.

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    • Pink David

       /  26th June 2020

      Single function thinking.

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    • David

       /  26th June 2020

      I guess the rioting and protesting had an effect, lets hope its just an outbreak amongst the young who only get mildly effected as a rule.

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    • Pink David

       /  26th June 2020

      This is one of the reasons your being frightened by increasing positive tests is utterly misguided.

      “CDC says COVID-19 cases in U.S. may be 10 times higher than reported
      The estimate comes from a nationwide look at antibody tests.”

      https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-says-covid-19-cases-u-s-may-be-10-n1232134

      80%+ are likely asymptomatic.

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  26th June 2020

        Unfortunately the 80%+ that are asymptomatic then come into contact with others who are more vulnerable to the virus. The more asymptomatic carriers there are, the wider the spread and harder it is to control especially when a large segment of the population refuses to wear masks or social distance. And wearing a mask is more to protect the rest of the population which is just being a good citizen rather than a selfish so and so.

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        • Pink David

           /  26th June 2020

          Marks are completely ineffective at protecting others.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  26th June 2020

          What evidence is there that completely asymptomatic cases are infectious? If their viral load is very low so too is their likelihood of spreading it to others.

          My model failed to find any undetectable cases causing infections. The positive tests for antibodies do not necessarily mean the individual was ever infectious for others.

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  2. Patzcuaro

     /  26th June 2020

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  3. Tom Hunter

     /  26th June 2020

    Minnesota COVID-19 death stats – or why all the latest screaming about US test results does not mean what the MSM want it to mean – more death

    from Imgflip Meme Generator

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    • Gezza

       /  26th June 2020

      If you want to display the image here you have to open the actual image page and/or copy the image page link, Tom. That link always ends with “.jpg”.

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    • Tom Hunter

       /  26th June 2020

      Seriously? You’re just having some fun, right?

      Quin and Tomasky are in full-on gaslighting with this. Just watch the videos of Biden in recent weeks and judge for yourself. And there are plenty of Lefties out there saying what’s obvious about Biden to anybody with eyes to see. Let’s start with Gleen Greenwald, whose Left credentials are solid.

      he steadfast, wilful refusal of Dem political & media elites to address what is increasingly visible to the naked eye — Biden’s serious cognitive decline — is frightening indeed, not only for what it portends for 2020 but what it says about the ease of snapping them into line:

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    • Pink David

       /  26th June 2020

      Letting Biden run is basically elder abuse. The sooner they get Harris subbed in, the better off they will be.

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      • MaureenW

         /  26th June 2020

        Don’t forget Hillary, waiting to be begged to run. She has been very active in the background.

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  26th June 2020

          Hillary the bogeywoman as opposed to the current Trump reality (nightmare).

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        • Pink David

           /  26th June 2020

          Hillary isnt in the running. Harris is almost certain.

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  26th June 2020

      Looks like Biden can hang out in the basement and let Trump self destruct.

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      • Pink David

         /  26th June 2020

        That is the strategy. The more Biden is seen, the less likely he is to win

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  26th June 2020

          Why expose yourself when the other candidate keeps shooting himself in the foot.

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  5. Tom Hunter

     /  26th June 2020

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  6. Patzcuaro

     /  26th June 2020

    Larry Sabato moves Florida from leans Republican to toss up and Pennsylvania from toss up to leans Democrat taking Biden to 268 projected electoral college votes, just 2 short.

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  7. Tom Hunter

     /  26th June 2020

    “The June polls are dispositive!”
    Signed:
    President Dukakis
    President Kerry
    President Hillary

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  26th June 2020

      Dispositive:
      “relating to or bringing about the settlement of an issue or the disposition of property”

      It is not over till the large lady sings.

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      • Gezza

         /  26th June 2020

        I suspect if we’re talking about the 2020 US presidential election it probably won’t be over until the final Court challenge on the election results is ruled on.

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  26th June 2020

          Maybe, it will depend on the margin of the defeat, it would be hard to argue against a landslide in the courts. And it will depend where the Republican Party wants to go post election, do they want to go down with the ship or do they get in the lifeboats while they can.

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  26th June 2020

      I think it will be different this time around, in 2016 Clinton was soiled goods and ran a poor campaign taking the mid west for granted.
      Trump had novelty value, a bit like a new pet, but after 3.5 years of pissing and shitting in the house with little sign of becoming toilet trained, that novelty has worn off.

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      • Duker

         /  26th June 2020

        . It was Pennsylvania, Michigan Wisconsin, not ‘mid west’ states
        “If just 40,000 people across Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania had changed their minds, I would have won,”
        There was much more effort put into Pennsylvania and Michigan than with Obamas campaign

        Wisconsin was the only one where they were caught by surprise and would have put more effort had she known the details ( it was still close)
        “Clinton pointed to new voter ID laws in the state as a strong reason for why she lost Wisconsin.
        “Bear in mind that Trump received roughly the same number of votes in Wisconsin that Mitt Romney did,” she wrote, referring to the 2012 Republican presidential nominee. “There was no surge in Republican turnout. Instead, enough voters switched, stayed home, or went for third parties in the final days to cost me the state.”

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  8. Corky

     /  26th June 2020

    Damn…I had a psychic flash while coming out of the supermarket today. In my vision Barry Soper was asking the PM to confirm she was hapu again.

    If she is pregnant and keeping it quiet until after the election, the odium she’d receive would probably do her career irreparable damage.

    First pregnancy cloak- and – dagger intrigue:

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11992023

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    • duperez

       /  26th June 2020

      You had a ‘psychic flash’ and the PM could be due for more of the odium she gets on a daily basis?

      A good start to getting a story around. I can legitimately say now I saw someone say something about the PM being pregnant. Shall we get the story put around? We flourish on scuttlebutt, cloak-and-dagger intrigue and lowest common denominator tactics.

      Should she have to pass the Woodhouse test – prove it ain’t so?
      Maybe she can call a press conference and talk about it. (That’ll be more odium about a PR stunt.)

      If she shows test results they can be disputed so nothing less and a full open viewing of the testing process will satisfy the doubters of course.

      And if she is pregnant, the country, which has gone to rack and ruin under her leadership, and was far better off when she took leave last time, according to odium bearers will be worse off?

      And in exit polls it’ll be “Why did you vote for Todd Muller’s lot?” Because someone was pregnant? There you, go I’ve furthered your psychic episode.

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      • Corky

         /  26th June 2020

        ”A good start to getting a story around. I can legitimately say now I saw someone say something about the PM being pregnant.”

        Tell me more. My third eye and myself are all ears. Are you in the PM’s inner circle to know this? ( I’m assuming I’m reading your comments right.)

        ”We flourish on scuttlebutt, cloak-and-dagger intrigue and lowest common denominator tactics.”

        Well, if you think about it, it won’t affect the PM one iota unless it’s true. She only has to say whether she is, or isn’t, to knock this supposed rumour down.

        As for the rest of your post, it’s a little too ethereal. I wish you would post blue collar so I know what you are posting about.

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        • duperez

           /  26th June 2020

          Okay, I’ll simplify it.

          1 The best way to start a rumour is to just say something to get people talking. You said you had a ‘psychic flash.’ The way modern communication works that flash can be turned in reality. Not because it is true in reality but because the ‘psycho flashers’ get hold of it and say it in ways that other psycho flashers can turn into truth. Urban myth become fact.

          2 Under the Woodhouse method if someone comes up with a claim they don’t have to prove it, the one with the claim or allegation against them has to prove it isn’t true. The only way the PM could disprove a rumour about pregnancy is to get on a stage, pee in public and do one of the accepted tests with it.

          Further to #1: I was part of an experiment some years back. A group of people sat around and talked about the appointee to a certain position. We were to tell the truth when questioned about who got the job. It had not been filled at that stage.

          We made up a profile of someone, where they were from, what their particular interests and focuses were and what sort of person they were. Even had a name.

          Everyone left prepared to answer the question by saying, “I heard some talk the other day that it’s someone from … but I don’t know …” or, “I heard a name mentioned when there was talk about the job, a name like xxxx or something like that, but it was just talk.” About six weeks later someone said to me, “I hear that the new person is from … and used to be …. is that true?” and had some of the details we’d mapped out.

          And that was in pre-social media days.

          A few more psychic episodes and you could have Ardern pregnant with triplets.

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          • Corky

             /  26th June 2020

            1- Yes…but, nobody is listening. I get your point, but would anyone be bothered giving this psychic flash the time of day, either consciously or unconsciously?
            Another sceptic may say this scenario is in the realms of possibility because the PM’s biological clock is ticking, and surely she would want Neve to have a little brother or sister. And, like a good socialist or feminist, she wouldn’t be giving up her career because of a baby.

            2- The supposed claim/rumour can only roughly last 9 months. If the PM was asked point blank, she can only tell the truth if you think about it…unless she has an abortion( if true). Even if she fronted with : there’s talk going around that I am pregnant…again, she can only tell the truth.

            #1: That sounds interesting. Can you give some context and expansion?

            ”A few more psychic episodes and you could have Ardern pregnant with triplets.”

            You have covered all bases except the fact it may be true.😕?

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            • duperez

               /  26th June 2020

              #1: Just like that. I was in the senior role and was to leave. There was to be a new boss and everyone realised that with a new person there would be the, ‘I wonder who…?’ with conjecture. The staff sat round and talked things over and it came from that. It was an attempt to seed the speculation. Fudge and suggest without stipulation, not be specific
              It was amazing how the story got around. 😊

    • Gezza

       /  26th June 2020

      How do you tell the difference between a psychic flash & a random thought that popped into your head that you then immediately started to fantasise about, Corks?

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  9. Corky

     /  26th June 2020

    The Peter Ellis case is before the Supreme Court. The quetion to be pondered is” does at persons mana follow them even after death? Against that is the law that you cannot defame a dead person.

    For a Maori, their mana and that of their tribe follows them into death. But should the court find in favour of Ellis, a whole can of legal worms may be opened opened up.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/419833/supreme-court-hears-why-appeal-of-deceased-sex-offender-peter-ellis-should-go-ahead

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    • Gezza

       /  26th June 2020

      I posted about this yesterday

      Gezza / 25th June 2020
      I wonder how long it will be before we get a Supreme Court decision on this matter. It should be a really interesting one.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/121934969/supreme-court-back-to-hear-tikanga-argument-on-peter-ellis-appeal

      The question before the Supreme Court as I understand it is whether Ellis’s appeal against wrongful conviction should be heard because under English/our law his right to appeal ceases upon his death, it assuming the appellant has nothing to protect or redress.

      As you say though, this should be a really interesting decision & if it succeeds will likely be applicable in defamation cases too where the person claiming to have been defamed dies before a decision is made or a defamation suit is filed.

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      • Duker

         /  26th June 2020

        Difference is that Ellis had been convicted for his death AND Appeal was under way.
        Defamation one is a bit different as its long established once you are dead you cant undertake a defamation case as you cant instruct your lawyer and there is not yet an outcome to challenge.
        In the Hagaman v Little he lost at trial and then died later and his wife/estate tried to start an appeal but again lost for different reasons as the jury verdict wasnt definitive
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/342933/court-dismisses-defamation-appeal-against-andrew-little
        A bit of a muddled situation and dont want to read full decision, but being dead must have played a part.

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  10. lurcher1948

     /  26th June 2020

    Well i don’t have Covid-19 after the test just bad man flu…which i knew i had thankfully BUT,if your wife is concerned about your health, relieve her worries for your health if you have symptoms with a covid-19 test….so easy,and you are protecting the community

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  26th June 2020

      That’s good, Lurch but how did you catch it? Maybe need to step up your protection routines?

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      • lurcher1948

         /  26th June 2020

        ALan how long is a piece of string, death from not knowing WHERE,im getting drunk from hand sanitiser

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      • duperez

         /  26th June 2020

        My cold was caught from my other half. I should’ve had them in isolation.🙃

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    • lurcher1948

       /  26th June 2020

      Thanks PG,its was a worry,still rather sick

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    • David

       /  26th June 2020

      I have just shaken man flu, blasted thing lasted a week and the dog walking has not been a lot of fun.

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      • I hate hearing people talking about ‘man flu’ when it’s so well known that men are far more likely to ignore illnesses and carry on; look at the difference in life expectancy. The idea that men make a great fuss over illnesses is sexist, you blokes, started as a put down of men.

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  11. Gezza

     /  26th June 2020

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/121956931/national-party-reveals-hoardings-for-september-election

    Now we wait to see what inspiration the others come up with. Hint to Labour: Be Kind might not be the best.

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    • Corky

       /  26th June 2020

      Come back, Sir John. After Nationals previous hordings that excelled in my opinion, we have come to this? Sorry. As Sir Bob Jones would say: ” it’s wet.”

      Lots of Sirs when you mention National.

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      • Corky

         /  26th June 2020

        CRUNCH TIME NEW ZEALAND.

        LET’S MOVE FORWARD WITH TALENT.

        NATIONAL WILL DELIVER FOR EVERYONE.

        * More jobs and a better economy isn’t a selling point…it’s expected.

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    • Duker

       /  26th June 2020

      2017 had only Bills mug …”Delivering for New Zealanders”.
      Paula was nowhere in sight.
      Sign of weakness in leadership when they have to talk of ‘the team’, I wouldnt think other parties , except greens have ‘2 faces’

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    • Blazer

       /  26th June 2020

      I recommend…

      STRONGER TEAM
      MOST JOBS
      BEST ECONOMY.

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  12. Patzcuaro

     /  26th June 2020

    Some feel good.

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    • His singing shows hers up, unsurprisingly; she is well off-key.

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      • Gezza

         /  26th June 2020

        No, Kitty. When I first listened to that an hour or more ago I thought he went off key in several places. He had the hardest job, trying to find both high and low harmonies. His flourishes were unnecessary, impossible for her to sync with as she was sticking to the correct melody & timing, & he went off key & off time in some of those.

        So I had another listen after you posted that. He’s the one who goes off key.

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  26th June 2020

          My ear is not that sophisticated.

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          • They both are; she is definitely off at the beginning. I found it quite annoying to listen to. I can’t sing well myself, but can tell when other people are not in tune.

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    • Maggy Wassilieff

       /  26th June 2020

      Portland, Oregon is a very strange place.
      The Uni area seemed a very up-market (smug) place.

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      • Corky

         /  26th June 2020

        When I visited Grants Pass and Portland, there were areas in those places that were very similar to Auckalnd and parts of New Zealand.

        Google:

        ”Portland has been affectionately referred to as “weird” for decades – perhaps because it has the most strip clubs per capita in the nation or the high prevalence of man buns and mustaches.”

        If you saw One News tonight, you would also realise New Zealand is weird too.

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  13. Brighton beach packed with trippers edge to edge. Brighton’s lovely (although it looks as if some totally unsympathetic building’s been done) but the ‘beach’ is 100% shingle. Torture to even walk on barefoot, never mind lie down on. People were stepping over each other to get to the water, which looked a bit polluted.

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  14. Pink David

     /  26th June 2020

    The English head to the seaside in hot weather, the Government declares a ‘Major incident’

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    • Oh, I do like to be beside the seaside/Oh I do like to be beside the sea/Oh, I do like to stroll along the prom, prom, prom/Where the big brass bands go tiddley-om-pom-pom….

      I have seen photos of English beaches that were much more crowded than that; standing room only.

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      • Pink David

         /  27th June 2020

        I used to live in Bournemouth, just up from the beach, they can often get busier than that. The reaction to it is laughable.

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