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  1. NOEL

     /  1st July 2020

    It yah travel to EU on holiday yah pay isolation on return.
    Ahh departure cards were removed back in 2018.

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    • Gezza

       /  1st July 2020

      Passports weren’t.

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      • Gezza

         /  1st July 2020

        “While filling out a departure card was a small part of the overall process, doing away with them would cut out the “slight annoyance factor” for those customers just wanting to get to the gate, he said.

        Customs Minister Meka Whaitiri said the cards were no longer needed for their original purpose – to account for all passengers crossing the New Zealand border.

        “We have smarter systems now that capture passenger identity information and travel movement records electronically,” she said.

        “Information captured by the departure cards is now mainly used for statistical purposes.

        “Statistics NZ has developed an alternative way to produce migration and tourism statistics, based on actual movements rather than passengers’ stated intentions on the departure cards.”

        – Stuff 27 August 2018

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        • NOEL

           /  1st July 2020

          Does a passport identify if you are on essential travel or holiday?

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          • Gezza

             /  1st July 2020

            Your visa might. If it doesn’t you can probably expect to be questioned. You may even find border agencies have access to information provided when booking travel.

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            • NOEL

               /  1st July 2020

              Don’t need a visa for EU

            • Gezza

               /  1st July 2020

              Could be a slower business at the border on exit and/or return then. They might have to get that info as an extra step. Be interesting to see what happens. With volumes down they have more time.

            • Couldn’t people have a test 3 & 12 days before they returned ? And be on HD in their own homes, which would save a vast amount of money ?

    • NOEL

       /  1st July 2020

      Extra step? You visited relatives?
      Yeah had one of the genealogy test so went hunting but never found them.
      Got a good suntan though.

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      • Gezza

         /  1st July 2020

        What’s the exact point you’re trying to make?

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        • NOEL

           /  1st July 2020

          I’m just curious how the Gummit is going to know someone went on holiday to the EU.

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          • Gezza

             /  1st July 2020

            From something I read on Stuff this morning it seems the biggest problem they have with charging NZers for quarantine on return from trips overseas is legal opinion that they can’t legally do it at yhe moment because that would be unlawfully placing impediments to NZers returning home.

            This is why they obviously need time to sort out HOW to legally charge reesidents & citizens. Which they will be able to do.

            As to how they’ll know whether someone went on holiday to anywhere, their electronic travel history will already be recorded.

            If the government decides to exempt any category of returning kiwi or resident from payment it should be a relatively simple matter to require them to produce evidence entitling them to such exemption on their return.

            The rules around that would need to be communicated to airlines etc & to the public.

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            • NOEL

               /  1st July 2020

              As to how they’ll know whether someone went on HOLIDAY to anywhere, their electronic travel history will already be recorded.

              WOW

            • Gezza

               /  1st July 2020

              It’ll show your international travel history. If you can’t show evidence your travel to any Covid-19 high risk country was for any specified necessary reason exempted from paying for quarantine on return it’ll probably just automatically be treated as volitional & charged for. Don’t get too locked in to “holidays”. Visiting rellies overseas won’t be exempt.

            • I thought that the planes were grounded, so we were all trapped & unable to go anywhere, anyway.

              In a few months no one will want to go; it’ll be too cold in Europe for a holiday.

            • Gezza

               /  1st July 2020

              NOEL, change your paradigm to “non-essential travel”. People doing that. That’ll be who’ll be being looked at for quarantine charging on return, imo.

  2. lurcher1948

     /  1st July 2020

    Mr Muller,stop sweating,when on Breakfast TV,it distracts from your message,and makes you look unhealthy.Watching the bead of sweat forming on the end of your nose was very entertaining.

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    • David

       /  1st July 2020

      He is probably thinking that bloody Lurcher is scrutinizing my every syllable and he is just panicked at the thought. Any error and “nailed” on NZs most influential blog.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  1st July 2020

        I wish his blonde deputy would smile at question time,shes a real sad sack.I think she thinks about Nationals internal polling and the internal leaks to much.

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        • Gezza

           /  1st July 2020

          Yeah, Kaye is always too po-faced.

          At least Bennett could be cheeky, witty & humorous. She could also laugh at herself. Then she could be serious when the situation required it. Bennett actually learned (sometimes the hard way) & continually grew in her job competence. Got some spectacular fails in her wake – like the meth testing disgrace – tho that reflected bad or too timid departmental advice too. But she was a smarter cookie than often given credit for, imo. I like her more when she’s leaving than when she started.

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          • Duker

             /  1st July 2020

            Hard to know where she would fit in the commercial world..Jenny Shipley sort of wrecked the idea of the corporate trophy director from politics after the Mainzeal debacle. Shew worked ‘in recruitment’ before politics but that wont bea worthwhile area to return to , unless as a top flight headhunter, she might be good at that!

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            • Company directors are there because of ability, not who they are; it’s obvious that you’re not one and don’t know any.

            • Blazer

               /  1st July 2020

              What ‘ability’ or qualifications did Shipley have regarding the construction industry and the power industry?

            • Blazer

               /  1st July 2020

              meanwhile Mikey and his fans gently weep…’Jacinda at Cardrona last week. People queued 6 deep just to see her, everywhere she went people cheered and clapped and thanked her.’.

            • Corky

               /  1st July 2020

              Yes, she is popular. What’s that saying: ‘your principles are best tested on an empty stomach’? Well, in Jacinda case, her popularity will be tested by the empty wallets of voters. We aren’t at that stage yet…so the clapping continues.

    • Lurch, television lights are very hot, as anyone who’s been on television knows. They are like heaters, and must be terrible for anyone with a bald head. I don’t know how many watts they are, but they are very uncomfortable to be under.

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      • whalerider_3000

         /  1st July 2020

        No they’re not. Studio lights are either fluros or LED. The days of hot tungsten lamps are long gone.

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  3. David

     /  1st July 2020

    There is the beginnings of a rapid u turn on support for the black lives matter movement as people actually read what their manifesto actually is and how stark raving mad it is and how little it actually has to do with black lives.
    The UK Labour leader is furiously back pedalling and the dumbies in the UK police force are looking even more woke and stupid for taking the knee now they are getting smacked around in increasing numbers in support of an organisation that wants to abolish it.
    The BLM twitter account has just posted a hugely anti simetic picture to advertise a meeting which is interesting but not surprising as thats where all lefty movements eventually go in blaming the Jews.

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  4. David

     /  1st July 2020

    Its interesting the coverage of the Libyan screaming the call and murdering the 3 guys in the park in Reading has all but gone from the news coverage. I wonder if this is because its an islamist killing 3 gay men and the media just dont know how to spin it to blame Trump, or Boris or the alt right and so they just conveniently ignore it as they cant get it to fit a narrative that gets them clicks on twitter.
    Some may say white lives dont matter, black lives only matter when the die at the hands of a white man given the 14 black people murdered by other black people in Chicago at the weekend including a couple of children.
    Its a very different time out there, might be the latent anger at Trump being elected the Covid lockdown, the woke left having been indoctrinated in university have now brought their nonsense into the workplace..hard to know but these are strange times.

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    • Gezza

       /  1st July 2020

      Certainly are. Strange that a character as obviously deceitful, shallow, hypocritical, & nasty as Trump ever got elected POTUS. That was the biggest clue to exactly how crazy America has become. Their society has been de-evolving over decades to get to this point though.

      Re the Libyan murderer – reportedly attacked 2 groups socialising in a park, during Pride Month; stabbed 3 gay men to death, wounded 3 others – sexual orientation not reported, possibly gay also, reported (on RT…caution) to be a known homophobic who told an acquaintance disgusting people like him would be beheaded in his homeland, known to security services, criminal convictions including assault & carrying a bladed weapon, known mental health issues, Muslim.

      Police are calling it a terrorist attack, motive unknown still, it seems. Seems less likely to be a terrorist attack than a deranged homophobic fundamentalist Muslim mass murderer.

      Ticks all the boxes the UK police & politicians probably wouldn’t want to mention for fear of stirring up race/culture/religious animosities.

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    • duperez

       /  1st July 2020

      The Reading murders ‘all but gone from the news coverage’? What else do you want to know? Do you expect to find it in New Zealand media?

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      • I would imagine that there’s not much new news about it.

        Reading is where Oscar Wilde wrote The Ballad of Reading Gaol.

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        • Blazer

           /  1st July 2020

          Are you trying to say Reading Gaol is in….Reading?

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          • Well done, 10/10 for comprehension. He did some of his sentence there.

            What else is Reading famous for ? NB, it’s pronounced Redding, not Reeding.

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    • Pink David

       /  1st July 2020

      6 children were murdered last weekend in Chicago. It’s ok because they were murdered by the same race so no one cares about that.

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      • Blazer

         /  1st July 2020

        bullet proof school bags are a big business in the U.S these days,last year there were just under 400 shooting incidents involving 4 or more people.

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  5. Corky

     /  1st July 2020

    I went to Mitre 10 this morning. Simple enough task – buy a container of Caustic Soda, and a pair of Skellerup gumboots.

    So… the Caustic Soda had a sign next to it that read ( from memory) ” Mitre 10 is cooperating with Police to stamp out drug production. Certain chemicals will require photo ID and other particulars before purchase.”

    Next it was to the footwear department to check for Skellerup gumboots.At $77 a pair they were staying on the shelf, even though they were my preferred option over the heavier Bata brand.

    I couldn’t help noticing two Mitre 10 staff standing at each end of the isle pretending to be straightening up products on the shelves. They must think I’m a feral I thought. Then I noticed a sign: ”Due to continued thefts of certain gumboot brands, this aisle is under constant monitoring. I looked again at the Skellerup Gumboots and started to laugh.

    I did manage to buy a moisture meter without much fuss. No veiled threats or prying eyes.
    I guess moisture meters are like Muller and Kaye…bland and unexciting.

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    • Blazer

       /  1st July 2020

      those 2 could do with a pair of gumboots each…they are in deep….—-.

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    • Most shops have CCTV, so it’s not credible that Mitre10 would pay two people to stand there all day.

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      • Also…none of their gumboots* cost that and they don’t have rules about caustic soda; some places have restrictions on quantity.

        * some specialised ones cost much more, but the ordinary ones are well under $77. Oops !

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    • Corky

       /  1st July 2020

      I forgot to add a picture of the gumboots that were being stolen. Not hard to tell who is stealing them. I joked with a shop assistant that they needed a range of blue gumboots to even things out. He laughed and said while he can see the funny side of things, there had previously been some violent confrontations. The police had told them to let shoplifters go without making any attempt to stop offenders.

      https://www.gubba.co.nz/gumboots/mens-gumboots/mens-red-band-gumboots-skellerup/?sku=G-SKP-FRR1-11&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIiovN25ir6gIVy3wrCh3u5Q0OEAQYAyABEgJkT_D_BwE

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      • That is Gubba, not Mitre10, and their prices are totally irrelevant to what Mitre10 charges Do check these things before you tell these tales.

        If they were to let shoplifters go, why bother to have two workers there in the first place ?

        Who do you imagine are these supposed gumboot thieves ? As if I couldn’t guess.

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  6. Gezza

     /  1st July 2020

    I find Paul Glodsmith very unimpressive. Just had a listen to him make a complete ass of himself the other day on RNZ over the Greens Welfare Policy

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018752663

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  7. Gezza

     /  1st July 2020

    NZ Police demonstrate two good reasons for not getting a car with a proximity key.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/121995535/teen-who-stole-two-police-cars-while-handcuffed-pleads-guilty

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  8. Corky

     /  1st July 2020

    Notice the difference between Chinese law and order..and NZ law and order?

    One produces fear and compliance..the order mirth and non compliance.

    The sweet spot for me would be to have a justice system wrong doers fear, but, is not as draconian as the Chinese system. It can be done..but we don’t have the political will.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/300046223/the-end-of-the-hong-kong-the-world-knew-as-china-imposes-security-law

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  9. Gezza

     /  1st July 2020

    Todd Muller – starting to sound exactly like Simon Bridges already. Rattling off a mantra that no one but hard core National voters will buy. Border control is no longer seen as a shambles, as he keeps blathering. It’s seen as having been fixed & now under proper control. Can’t articulate what his opening up policy would be. Hasn’t got one.

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/john-campbell-challenges-todd-muller-national-would-open-new-zealands-borders-v1?auto=6168363814001

    Bad mistake backing Woodhouse over his fake homeless man story too.

    Next poll will be interesting.

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  10. duperez

     /  1st July 2020

    “G4 virus: Concern for pandemic potential flu strain found in China”
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12344704

    So then. Let’s have the experts who said actions were too late, too little or just not appropriate last time round, lay out their plans of attack.

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    • Pink David

       /  1st July 2020

      Sure. Don’t wet the bed because one news report scares you.

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      • duperez

         /  2nd July 2020

        It doesn’t scare me. I just don’t want, as happened last time, to have children and other bed wetters telling us that this should have been done and that should have been done, and when that should have happened.

        This is their big chance to front up, put their money where their mouths are and not subject us to their “world expert after the event’ mentality. Again.

        I believe the last lot started with one news report too.

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  11. Patupaiarehe

     /  1st July 2020

    An interesting day alright

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  12. patupaiarehe

     /  1st July 2020

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