Taogaga, Wogistan, and do political candidates have to have faultless pasts?

A way to deter a lot of people from considering to participate in democracy and standing as a candidate is to dredge through everything a candidate has posted online and make a big deal about something minor from the distant past.

Like this:  Labour sacks candidate who praised racist ‘Wogistan’ column

Labour has sacked a candidate from its list after it emerged he once praised a column describing Islam as a “Stone Age religion” and its followers as a “sorry pack of misogynist troglodytes from Wogistan”.

Kurt Taogaga was ranked 68th on the party’s 84-strong list to contest the election in September – on recent polling an outside chance of making it into Parliament. Taogaga stood in Helensville in 2017 but lost to National’s Chris Penk.

In 2013 – before entering politics – Taogaga said on Twitter “we need to see Islam for what it truly is”. He linked to a news article about what he called a “brave” column by then-New Zealand First MP Richard Prosser in Investigate magazine.

In the article – written after he had a pocketknife confiscated by airport security – Prosser said Muslims threaten New Zealanders’ way of life and said young men who “look like a Muslim” should be banned from flying.

In response to another Twitter user saying Prosser was “only voicing what others are thinking”, Taogaga said “Hear hear. I get that feeling as well. Let’s debate this rather than shout him down. Islam is deserved of serious analysis”.

He then tweeted at scientist Richard Dawkins – an outspoken critic of religion, and particularly Islam – inviting him to come to New Zealand.

Asked about the comments on Newshub Nation, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said she wasn’t aware of them.

“It is not the belief system of the Labour Party, but I am happy to reflect on a column from, again, seven years ago, and take any steps that might be required as a result in terms of making sure our candidates are familiar with the values we hold as a party.”

At 68th on the Labour list this won’t make much difference to the election, but I wonder who searched back and discovered this fairly minor transgression (if it can even be called that) and outed Mr Taogaga.

And I wonder who was involved in the decision and who made the decision to dump him from the list.

There may be more to this than has been revealed, but on the surface dumping him seems like an over reaction, and is yet another example of how picky and petty and PC that politics has become.

This sort of thing will deter and discourage people from getting involved, and is likely to lead to more blameless and bland candidates and ultimately MPs.


Taogaga hs commented on Twitter:

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23 Comments

  1. The being unaware of things is wearing thin, Jacinda.

    The excuse that others are thinking something is specious. Some people think that domestic violence and rape are a joke, but I wouldn’t vote for anyone who held & expressed this view.

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    • If people had to have faultless pasts, the number standing would be minuscule

      I would not be influenced by a long-distance crime if the person had done nothing like it since. I would be by someone who expressed views like the ones Taogoga expressed; these are totally unacceptable for anyone wanting to be an MP.

      He is an ignorant bigot and deserves to be outed and ousted. This is hate speech and not a minor transgression. Where was he when the Mosque Massacre took place ?

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      • long past crime

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      • oldlaker

         /  4th July 2020

        “Hate speech” because he thinks Islam needs closer scrutiny? It’s perfectly reasonable to question (and mock) religion of any kind, in the same way we can all question and mock politics and politicians. The fact some people have deeply held beliefs doesn’t give them immunity from criticism or mocking of any kind.

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    • duperez

       /  4th July 2020

      Ardern being unaware is wearing a bit thin for you Kitty and this Taogoga thing is an example.

      From that it seems you expect Ardern to be aware of everything. I find that surprising since you perpetually scorn Ardern about her limitations. You portray her as very much closer to totally useless than even ‘acceptable.’ Why would you expect her to be aware of anything?

      Actually, to sum it up, the churlishness about her is wearing a bit thin.

      As for Taogoga, being a bigot, and being an MP, maybe he could have represented that constituency. There are many about. Now he’ll simply have to be content spending his time amidst that realm. Maybe he could move to Clutha and find company with the crowd Hamish Walker was appealing to.

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      • Corky

         /  4th July 2020

        What about the New Conservatives? They pulled a huge crowd in my area. And hordings…you can’t move without a decent RIGHT thinking face smiling back at you.
        No place for people who believe in diversity.

        A policy:

        https://www.newconservative.org.nz/firearms-policy

        Read and gulp…and be thankful they won’t be in parliment. ??

        https://www.newconservative.org.nz/full-family-policy

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      • The PM says constantly that she was unaware of things; her words.

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        • She was ‘unaware’ of the goings on at the youth camp, and the sex scandal in the party and the various stuffups with the quarantines….also the more cruel of the happenings in the lockdown. Always ‘unaware’.

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          • duperez

             /  4th July 2020

            If you’re going to talk nonsense at least talk sensible nonsense. Everyone is unaware of stuff until they’re made aware of it. Being unaware of the stuffups with the quarantines? Why didn’t you let her know, or check in with her just in case she was unaware when you were already aware?

            Maybe she could have daily press conferences to tell us what she’s unaware of. She is probably aware though that people like you would then go on and on about her spending all her time doing PR. 🙂

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  2. Corky

     /  4th July 2020

    One reason for not voting Labour. Prats of the first water. They could have made Taogaga crawl in front of the public and apologise. That would have been even better. The PC crowd could have got their rocks off.

    Obviously the PM planning for a close election. Having some chap agree with factual points
    made about Islam ( even if over generalised) won’t be happening under her battle plan.

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    • These are not facts.

      Islam is not a Stone Age religion, Muslims are not misogynist troglodytes and Wogistan is not a place; how are these ‘facts’ ? Nor are they generalisations, because they are utter nonsense and totally inaccurate.

      I would have thought that any decent person would find this hate speech unacceptable.

      What does a ‘Muslim man’ look like ???

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      • Harry

         /  6th July 2020

        Islam is a toxic, barbaric totalitarian ideology dressed up in religious garments. If you support misogyny, homophobia, and brutal medieval punishments, Islam has it all.

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  3. Mr Taogaga blunder was to criticise Islam. He could have happily made these remarks about Christianity and no one in Labour would have said a word.

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    • Gezza

       /  4th July 2020

      Islam’s not a stone age religion. It’s a medieval one. Judaism is a Bronze Age one. Christianity is Iron Age.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  4th July 2020

        Stoning offenders especially female seems sufficiently stone age to me.

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        • Gezza

           /  4th July 2020

          I think they picked that idea up from Judaism. It’s in the Old Testament. Even mentioned in the New Testament – Jesus’s famous “Let he amongst you who is without sin cast the first stone” episode.

          Islam is basically an Arabian update of Judaism.

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          • Calling people wogs is a gross racist insult; it’s on the same level as nigger. Calling people troglodytes is an insult.

            The quote is actually ‘He who is without sin amongst you, let him cast the first stone.’, I believe,

            People of both sexes were stoned to death.

            The death penalty is still practiced in the US, with drawn out and inhumane methods used, whereas people who are stoned are usually knocked unconscious at the beginning.

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            • I think that stoning has gone out everywhere now, even Brunei. It sounds like it.

            • Gezza

               /  4th July 2020

              I think you’re probably only quoting the King James version above. Scholars translated that from Greek & Latin scripts I think – & argued over the precise English translations over them. There are many more translations than the KJV’s. My point was the story illustrates the Mosaic Law tradition.

              New International Version
              When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”

              New Living Translation
              They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!”

              English Standard Version
              And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”

              Berean Study Bible
              When they continued to question Him, He straightened up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone at her.”

              Berean Literal Bible
              But as they continued asking Him, having lifted Himself up, also He said to them, “The one sinless among you, let him cast the first stone at her.”

              New American Standard Bible
              But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”

              New King James Version
              So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.”

              King James Bible
              So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

              Christian Standard Bible
              When they persisted in questioning him, he stood up and said to them, “The one without sin among you should be the first to throw a stone at her.”

              Contemporary English Version
              They kept on asking Jesus about the woman. Finally, he stood up and said, “If any of you have never sinned, then go ahead and throw the first stone at her!”

              Good News Translation
              As they stood there asking him questions, he straightened up and said to them, “Whichever one of you has committed no sin may throw the first stone at her.”

              Holman Christian Standard Bible
              When they persisted in questioning Him, He stood up and said to them, “The one without sin among you should be the first to throw a stone at her.”

              International Standard Version
              When they persisted in questioning him, he straightened up and told them, “Let the person among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”

              NET Bible
              When they persisted in asking him, he stood up straight and replied, “Whoever among you is guiltless may be the first to throw a stone at her.”

              New Heart English Bible
              But when they continued asking him, he looked up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw the first stone at her.”

              Aramaic Bible in Plain English
              But as they persisted asking him, he stood up and he said to them, “He among you who is without sin, let him first cast a stone upon her.”

              GOD’S WORD® Translation
              When they persisted in asking him questions, he straightened up and said, “The person who is sinless should be the first to throw a stone at her.”

              New American Standard 1977
              But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”

              King James 2000 Bible
              So when they continued asking him, he lifted himself up, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

              American King James Version
              So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said to them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

              American Standard Version
              But when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

              Douay-Rheims Bible
              When therefore they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said to them: He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

              Darby Bible Translation
              But when they continued asking him, he lifted himself up and said to them, Let him that is without sin among you first cast the stone at her.

              English Revised Version
              But when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

              Webster’s Bible Translation
              So when they continued asking him, he raised himself, and said to them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

              Weymouth New Testament
              When however they persisted with their question, He raised His head and said to them, “Let the sinless man among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”

              World English Bible
              But when they continued asking him, he looked up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw the first stone at her.”

              Young’s Literal Translation
              and when they continued asking him, having bent himself back, he said unto them, ‘The sinless of you — let him first cast the stone at her;’

            • Gezza

               /  4th July 2020

              I think that stoning has gone out everywhere now, even Brunei. It sounds like it.

              It depends where it happens I think. Out in the backblocks of some places like Pakistan & Afghanistan where official government laws aren’t followed it still happens.

              In the bigger towns a typical Taliban practice for female offenders was to force everyone to assemble in the market square or a stadium & then drag them out, pleading, & shoot them in the head.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  5th July 2020

              Google “woman stoned to death” and you will find current instances in Muslim communities.

  4. PartisanZ

     /  5th July 2020

    Shameless anti-Labour reflectionism this …

    Labour have removed a candidate because in the National *Broad-Church* Farm-and-Fortocracy Pond Scum political environment the Effluent Creatures who live there would have surfaced (SIRfaced) and torn their candidate to bits and fed him/her to their Schemedia Shred-Right machine.

    But you call this a fault of Labour’s …

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  5th July 2020

      Seems far more likely the pretentious Left would have been hurling the bricks, PZ.

      As Churchill said, the people you face are the Opposition. Your enemies are behind you.

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