Clare Curran and the brutality of politics

I don’t think Clare Curran was cut out to be political. After working in Parliament she managed to get herself into a fairly safe Labour seat in Dunedin South, and was a fairly committed and decent electorate MP, but she never seemed a good fit for party or Wellington politics. And she ended up being brutalised by it.

Actually, not by ‘it’. by people.

Some of it she brought upon herself as she tried to message manage in social media. She was involved in Labour’s attempt at a blog that gradually banned people.

But once Labour got into Government and Curran became a minister, people in the National Party, MPs, targeted Curran and help destroy her political career.  and Cameron Slater and others who see destroying people as a game.

She also made some dumb decisions so her demise was partly self inflicted, but dirty politics came close to destroying her as a person.

The Spinoff:  ‘I physically felt like I was going to die’: Clare Curran opens up on politics, toxicity and trauma

Curran says she was a top target for the likes of rightwing blogger Cameron Slater and lobbyist and commentator Matthew Hooton throughout her four terms. “They hated me.” In some of his many posts about her, Slater described Curran as “something dreadful” and “dumber than a bag of hammers”.

That’s fairly mild by Slater’s standards.

Curran commissioned research on coverage of her from September 30, 2017 (the week after the general election) to October 27, 2018. Of the 509 (non-broadcast) articles about her, 139 were negative blogs on Cameron Slater’s WhaleOil site. The Otago Daily Times produced just 62 articles.  Slater produced the most articles about Curran – more than twice as many as any other writer.

Curran seems a bit obsessed with Slater’s attacks, but that shows how relentless he was in trying to destroy someone. remember that at this time he had been distanced by National, and was promoting Winston Peters and NZ First, so this was probably just combat sport to him. Until he got involved in the crash and burn of Jamie Lee Ross (sort of supporting Ross but that may have been more to try to damage National).

Ross has responded to Curran’s revelations via https://twitter.com/jamileeross

I had such mixed emotions reading this. You would have to be heartless, or so partisan that you’re now devoid of humanity, to not feel empathy for Clare. But at the same time, I recall being on the other side when it was all happening.

I was in the 8am strategy meetings when we were deciding to throw everything we had at her. I was in the morning procedures meetings as Melissa Lee would share what her latest hit on Clare was going to be.

Clare was a weak link. National wanted to break her. And we did. Watching those question time answers, from about 10 metres away, you could pinpoint the very moment her career ended. I can only now imagine what it felt like. But at the time all we felt was excitement and success.

Parliament turns normal people in to savages. Another human was going through probably the most traumatic experience they’ll ever go through. Clare lost her job, reputation, her mental well-being. What were we doing? Laughing. Backslapping. Praising the destroyers. We were awful.

Yeah, accountability is important. But why enjoy the destruction of others so much? Do we really need to revel is someone else’s downfall? Sure, we all signed up for what Parliament is. But why did we also sign up for forgetting decency when we walked in the door? Sorry Clare.

At least he has said sorry two years later, but MPs and party hoodlums seem to get caught up in the dirty politics game.

There’s a big difference between holding the Government to account and trying to politically and mentally destroy people. Slater only does that because he was part of a party that has done that for a long time.

Curran received six to eight months of psychological treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder after that disastrous afternoon. “I’m not Shane Jones. I didn’t have a pat answer. I don’t do bluster and I was trying to answer honestly and I couldn’t come up with the words and my mind went blank. It was the worst nightmare in front of everyone. I remember a sensation of pressure that built up, and quite honestly, during those first few days I felt like I was literally going to die. I felt physically that I was going to die because the stress had got so much and there was nowhere else for it to go.”

At times, she admits, she thought she might even quite like to die.

Very sad to see her get to a dark place like that.

Curran says within weeks of the formation of the coalition government in 2017, a person she won’t name told her that she was the main target for the opposition. “Around the time I came into parliament, and even before, I was squarely on the radar of Hooton and Slater and [blogger and pollster] David Farrar. I had a disproportionate amount of focus on me. I was seen as an easy picking.”

Openly at least Farrar (on Kiwiblog) wasn’t anywhere near as relentless or nasty as Slater, but the two are seen by some to work in tandem – Farrar continued to support Slater even after the latter fell out with National.

I don’t know what Hooton’s involvement was. I would have to see evidence before I will see it as more dirty politics, Curran seems to have been very sensitive to any sort of criticism, and may see it all as trying to get to her.

She says senior National MP Nick Smith labelled her “Goebbels” after her 2006 paper to a regional Labour Party conference, in which she discussed how the party could reframe public debate and resonate with voters by communicating with “values-based” language. When she became a minister in 2017, she says her efforts to reform public broadcasting faced “hostility and disdain” from media commentators.

That sounds like more super-sensitivity to criticism of Curran’s performance as a minister.  Political journalists have their faults, but they can usually pick when ministers aren’t up to the job.

I don’t think Curran was up to being an effective Minister – just a few people in each government end up being very capable ministers, the rest turn out to be ok or mediocre or poor. There’s no way of knowing until they try, but the success rate of ministers (and leaders) isn’t high.

Curran can see why they might see her as a weak link and, in the manner of a pack of lions hunting a gazelle, pick her off from the rest of the herd. She accepts that’s a reasonable strategy to embarrass a government. “Oh yeah, and I’m not angry about that. This is the business we are in. But there was a coming together … In my opinion there was a view within the press gallery that they were on board with that.

“I have strengths but I also have weaknesses and one of those is that in the political arena, I’m not a great orator. I’m not hugely quick off the mark. You are either naturally good at it or you have to learn how to do it at question time.”

It wasn’t just her lack of skills at speaking, despite her training in PR. Lack of confidence and lack of being on top of her  portfolios, and making basic mistakes not just once but repeatedly, and not being open as Minister of Open Government all contributed to Curran’s downfall.

Curran’s beef seems to be not with the fact that she was held to account, but that the persistence of the pursuit was out of order. Asked why she did what she did, she replies: “Tell me what it was that I did”, seeming still not to grasp why an apparent lack of openness – even if unintended – is especially problematic for the minister for open government.

It’s fair enough to hold her accountable for her mistakes, she says. “It’s the kind of accountability that you get held to, it’s inequitable for some people. It became apparent to me reasonably quickly, by February, around the time of the Carol Hirschfeld scrutiny, that it was an unrelenting focus.”

Because she wasn’t handling her job well. There will be no respite for a wounded minister, and there shouldn’t be.

Perhaps part leaders and Prime Ministers should be much more on to this and either support or demote poor performers and those who are mentally struggling.

What Curran highlights is three things:

  • MPs promoted to ministerial roles may or may not step up to the workload, responsibilities, and pressure.
  • Prime Ministers should deal more quickly with under performing or struggling Ministers.
  • Politics is often a nasty, dirty brutal game of deliberate attack and attrition, and it needn’t and shouldn’t be.
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  1. Gerrit

     /  5th July 2020

    Curran rose to the level of her incompetence. No amount of blame being apportioned to bloggers for her downfall will quell that fact.

    And when incompetent, all ministers are fair game. Ask Clark (the mountain bike bloke – not Helen).

    Clark (as in Helen) would have dealt with the likes of Curran much quicker and decisively and as such Ardern’s leadership qualities can be questioned.

    When you have an infected sore, lance it. Don’t allow the likes of abusive bloggers, and the press, hunt the victim like sharks in bloodied water. The outcome is the same but the hurt is drawn out.

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    • Duker

       /  5th July 2020

      Are you sure on that, who that man holding the seat with an womans MPs image on the rim?

      https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/04-07-2020/clare-curran-interview-donna-chisholm/

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      • Tom Hunter

         /  5th July 2020

        Oh FFS! The image of a politician’s has been placed on the bottom of chamber pots for centuries. This traumatised her? Jesus, did she not know political history.

        Here’s what the Confedrates did for “Beast Butler” after he was appointed as the governor of New Orleans following its capture by Union troops.

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        • duperez

           /  5th July 2020

          You got it. Curran is on the seat. Look in the hole and see what’s there.

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      • Kimbo

         /  5th July 2020

        Yeah, nah.

        When it suited Curran she was prepared to get personal. Tried to do a hit job once on John Key once with one of those, “he has investments in tobacco and arms manufacturing” pieces concerning his..arms-length and independently administered portfolio. Yeah, just like most of us who have a KiwiSaver account. But it’s the old story with the implied narrative, if John Key has a share portfolio he is an evil exploitative Tory bastard, but Phil Goff or Helen Clark owning Auckland investment properties is a market the Fifth Labour Government’s policies helped overheat? Nothing to see here…

        When called out for it Curran claimed victim status as usual by saying she was being trolled, and tried the sanctimonious, “people should think about with what and whom they associate”. Well, yes, Clare. I see your Wikipedia write-up says you are a member of the execrable Greenpeace, so it is all in the eye of the beholder what is immoral.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clare_Curran

        The post is no longer available because…Red Alert has been flushed down the cyber memory loss wormhole. Says all one needs to know about Curran – a petty, vain, self-righteous partisan, all of which is excusable in politics. But her incompetence, at least in administering the Red Alert website and later as Minister of Broadcasting was obvious. If the people of Dunedin South found her otherwise as their local MP, good luck to them.

        And typical of Curran’s self pity and lack of self-awareness that she makes no mention of how her incompetence derailed the career of Carol Hirschfield.

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        • Blazer

           /  5th July 2020

          Key made so many faux pas with transparency issues regarding his investments he didn’t need Currens help…..Tranz rail shares …a perfect example.

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        • Duker

           /  5th July 2020

          What investment properties, did they have 5 houses like Key including 2 holiday homes.
          I understand Clark and her husband had a house from a family will and a home in Christchurch when Prof Davis worked there. The house in My Eden was their family home when it wasn’t such a desirable area, surrounded by boarding houses and student flats

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          • Kimbo

             /  6th July 2020

            In the ordinary course of events I couldn’t care less from whence Goff, or Clarke or Key or any politician derived their investment income which is recorded on the register for all to see anyway. Seems Curran didn’t read the memo.

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            • Blazer

               /  6th July 2020

              When was investment income recorded on the register?

              How definitive is it,if in fact it is?

            • Kimbo

               /  6th July 2020

              As slavery has been abolished and you’re not paying me, I’ll leave you to do your own google search.

  2. John J Harrison

     /  5th July 2020

    Curran was no stranger to the Labour dirty tricks brigade.
    Karma has finally caught up with her.
    Good riddance.

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  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  5th July 2020

    Paula Bennett seems to have survived at least as much hostility and probably a lot more hatred rather than contempt. When you think about it that is pretty much the essence of the different ways the Left and Right see each other.

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    • Duker

       /  5th July 2020

      Ah no …see the threats against Ardern and Ghahramen or any women in Greens for that matter
      Paula Bennett was quite happy to use private information against women who went public when she was Social welfare minister…she would call it punching back and would do it again
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/113323/bennett-'would-consider-another-privacy-breach
      <bSocial Development Minister Paula Bennett is denying she breached a beneficiary's privacy despite an official finding otherwise – and says she would consider doing it again.

      Some cognitive dissonance there when its clear she was bullying a beneficiary

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  5th July 2020

        B.s. She was showing the hypocrisy of a Lefty political activist.

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        • She was showing that the beneficiary’s cries of poverty were arrant nonsense. Many workers then were not taking home that amount of money.

          Lefty ; Paula Bennett, waitress to deputy PM (sneer, sneer; fancy having a waitress as deputy PM)

          Righty; Paula Bennett, waitress to deputy PM (admiringly, what an achiever)

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          • Duker

             /  5th July 2020

            Solo mum who got state assistance to buy a house and also do a degree while on the DPB…pathways she pulled the ladder up after her

            It was a truck stop waitress…. until she said it was ‘too muchlike hard work’ and went back on the DPB and was supported by the state to do a BA….and became student union president…(like Muller was at Waikato , cant find any trace of his masters thesis ?) .
            But they dont put those details in their CV for the blue rinse brigade at the Cabinet Club fundraisers

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            • I wouldn’t expect any nosey parker to be able to find someone else’s academic record; I wouldn’t bother to look.

              Everyone then was ‘supported by the state’ at university; my first degree was all but paid for (90% of costs) and I had a living allowance the equivalent of the dole. We all did.

              The pulling the ladder up is such a distortion that I can’t imagine that anyone will believe it, so won’t bother to refute it.

            • Duker

               /  5th July 2020

              Masters thesis are kept in libraries or available on line.
              Women on DPB could get University degree while on benefit…Bennett removed that option. That’s the case , your ignorance doesn’t mean it didnt happen. Many other nasty things she did to young mother’s and benefits and wasn’t pure as the driven snow at that time at the truck stop and living in Napier but we aren’t allowed to talk about specifics
              Bennett is a lot younger than you and a different system of study applied in her era.

            • Duker

               /  5th July 2020

              I’m interested in reading his thesis or at least the summary.
              I’m betting it won’t be business , finance or free Enterprise, could it be his topic was POLITICS
              Ooch that will knock all the Nats who gave Helen Clark and Goff stick over studying politics or being involved in student politics..Muller was also student Union president ..double ouch

  4. Ray

     /  5th July 2020

    Clare seems to have rather selective memory about the past and the people who she tried to destroy on the way up. Quite a list.
    But her complete collapse in the House was awful to watch and just ghastly for her colleges.
    She rather skates over just why that happened when it was obvious she was being duplicitous in her management of Broadcasting.

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    • Duker

       /  5th July 2020

      You never read the back story into the Sky city winning bid for the Convention Centre did you. Key and Joyce plaid the same game and just shrugged off the ‘duplicitous deals’ as you cant sack the kitchen cabinet who really runs the country

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/8344053/No-way-to-run-a-country
      “Whitewash is the only word to describe the deputy auditor-general’s report on the Government’s relationship with SkyCity.
      The report dumps all the blame on civil servants. But its description of events makes it very clear the prime minister, his office, his Tourism Ministry, and the Ministry of Economic Development spent a year trying to stitch up a convention centre deal with SkyCity before any other interested party got a glance in.
      By doing so, John Key and his officials subverted the normal processes required for government procurement. These are designed to ensure solutions are canvassed widely and the best option chosen. As a result we’ll get the convention centre SkyCity wants to build on terms highly favourable to it, which may not be the convention centre New Zealand needs.

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10867113
      ‘For the report reveals that officials bent over backwards to help SkyCity improve its bid to the clear disadvantage of four other consortiums also out to secure the rights to build the estimated $350 million complex. The obvious question is why.

      https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/pokies-smokies-when-the-means-and-ends-dont-meet

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      • Gerrit

         /  5th July 2020

        And all this Skycity babble fits into the Curran story where? More Blazer like whataboutism?

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        • Duker

           /  5th July 2020

          Double deals…fits into your view that its OK when National does it.

          Since when is ‘whatabout’ banned? …we may as well not even teach history any more… or learn from it. In reality you have no answer so ‘whawhawha’ is used to try to drown it out.
          let alone Currans story is over 2 years old. When does the ‘whataboutism’ have a starting point

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        • duperez

           /  5th July 2020

          Where does it fit into the Curran story? It fits in perfectly. The story is about what happens in politics. The word hypocrisy is on here.

          You said, “When you have an infected sore, lance it.” Someone brings up another example of an infected sore, a raging sore that needed to be lanced and said the blind didn’t want to recognise it let alone lance it.

          The sentiments on here are about Curran not being up to the job. Well publicised examples. She did sleazy things like break protocols by sitting in the middle of a cafe and have coffee with Radio New Zealand senior manager Carol Hirschfeld.

          Key, Joyce and co were involved in $350 million sleaze deal. Let’s not talk about that. No lance needed, just a little prick about it and the tetchiness flows.

          At least you didn’t suggest Curran harden up, you know toughen up and be like Melissa Lee: “I was in the morning procedures meetings as Melissa Lee would share what her latest hit on Clare was going to be.”

          I think Curran was naive and stupid. He arsehole quotient wasn’t high enough either. She hadn’t learned to suspect all the people on the other side and their supporters as if they are like Cameron Slater but worse.

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          • Corky

             /  5th July 2020

            Most information was available online. She showed those WELL PAID beanies up for what they were… over indulged wastes of space. Like most gutless and sly socialists they thought they could get some hits in because the minister wouldn’t be able to respond..wrong!!!
            They picked on the wrong woman to fugg with.

            Here’s something of note from your link.

            ”Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei says Ms Bennett’s attitude is unacceptable and all beneficiaries are at risk of the minister using their personal information to attack them in public.”

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            • Corky

               /  5th July 2020

              Ghost in the wires. This comment in reply to Duker re Paula Bennett.

            • Blazer

               /  5th July 2020

              Ex truck stop waitress,retiring Nat M.P and former minister for SD Paula Bennett is on record as saying she ‘never deliberately mislead Social Welfare.’ …believe it…or not.

            • Duker

               /  5th July 2020

              Lawyers letters about legal action if media report others who knew her at the time and tell a different story than Paulas clearly photographic memory back that up….not a whisper about any of that in her sob storys over last week.
              Bridges did the same to political reporters about the mega donations scandal.
              Even if you report the facts , its the imputations that count in defamation

            • Tom Hunter

               /  5th July 2020

              Ex truck stop waitres…

              Blazer. The champion of the Toilers. Like all modern “Lefties”.

              Christ, no wonder the working class voted for Trump in 2016 and the British Tories in 2019.

            • Blazer

               /  6th July 2020

              @Tom….omitted ‘popular’…(ex truck stop waitress).

              She will be quickly forgotten unless vexatious non performance becomes a ..virtue.

  5. Brian Johnston

     /  5th July 2020

    Parliament full of hypocritical bullies. No surprises there.

    I always had the impression she did not fight for the Dunedin railway workshops.

    The party came first and the electorate a distant second?

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    • Duker

       /  5th July 2020

      Wrong she did . Woodhouse was the one in government who looked the other way
      “In 2010, KiwiRail declined to tender on Hillside’s behalf for its own $500m contract to build new trains for the Auckland commuter rail system, and later that year also decided to award a contract for 500 flat top wagons overseas rather than utilise Hillside or its sister workshop in Wellington, Woburn.

      Dunedin South Labour MP Clare Curran, whose electorate office is directly opposite Hillside, said KiwiRail had deliberately run down the workshops.

      “It has refused to allow them to tender for work they should have been tendering for. It has been their long-term strategy to run the workshops down… and what gives them the right to sell it without public discussion? It is a public asset.”
      “A BERL report showed that having the new Kiwirail rolling stock for Auckland built at Hillside would have added $250m to the economy, reduced the current account deficit by $122m and created 1270 jobs. Unfortunately, National insisted that Kiwirail only consider its narrow commercial interests and ignore the wider impacts of its decision.”
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/6772473/KiwiRail-plans-to-sell-Hillside-as-going-concern
      National couldnt even flog it off after saying they would and new investment was made after change of government, the new investment was the part the Nats refused to do.
      https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/20m-revitalise-vital-hillside-workshop

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  6. FarmerPete

     /  5th July 2020

    Anyone remember her call to boycott Sir Peter Leitch and the Mad Butcher outlets because he was complimentary about John Key? She was a strident partisan on her blog and NZ politics is better off without her. She, Slater and some of the bunch at The Standard belong in the same nasty group.

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  7. PartisanZ

     /  5th July 2020

    Isn’t “democracy” wonderful folks? It’s so …. “Personal” …

    If you’ve got pathological bully, control freak, proto-fascist and perpetrator tendencies its just the ideal well-paid job. It’s organized maxi-toxicity.

    Our society is organized by the most toxic people … preying upon everyone’s Toxic Shame, which is pervasive in society …

    Wow!!! What an amazing achievement!

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  8. David

     /  5th July 2020

    Curran was donkey deep in the hit jobs, cackling away in parliament and all of a sudden she was in power and under scrutiny and she lasted 5 minutes. Why would she even care what whaleoil had to say, just dont read his blog its easy enough.
    She was promoted way beyond her abilities and the way she got into parliament via Mallard was downright dirty.

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    • Duker

       /  5th July 2020

      Via Mallard ?
      Wrong MP , you are on fire today
      SO let me see , she got into parliament like many others, when existing MP steps down but you cast slurs while complaining about her actions undefined

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      • David

         /  5th July 2020

        David Parker, Trevor Mallard, Erin Leigh, Claire Curran educate yourself boy about the despicable way she has treated others without a backwards glance but when it happens to her its a mental health problem rather than her getting caught red handed. No its not the woman is as awful as she is incompetent and she is no loss to the body politic, her duplicitous actions and her attempt recruit a good public servant.
        You know it too Duker because you cant even manage to defend her all you have is cut and paste from your scrapbook.

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        • Duker

           /  5th July 2020

          Utter nonsense. Someone lost a government gig for a better choice…boo hoo
          getting PR contracts is all about who you know, allways has been.
          Do you think Nicola Willis didnt get the government lobbyist job at Fonterra working for Muller because she had just left the Beehive working for Key? Shes a smart woman who knew all the right people …ipso facto…and like Curran later became an MP, now shes part of the cadres who pushed Muller , her old boss, into the top job at National where she once worked for in the Beehive.

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          • David

             /  5th July 2020

            So the brutality is acceptable if its on one side of the political divide but not the other.
            You ever wonder why you are the only person defending Curran and perhaps a period of self reflection at the absurd position one finds oneself in.

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            • PartisanZ

               /  5th July 2020

              To defend this para-sham-democracy we have now is to defend the indefensible …

            • Blazer

               /  5th July 2020

              I’m sure he’s not the only one defending Curren.

              The selective mindset of those relishing her demise is an indictment on the mean spirited ……a right wing trait.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  5th July 2020

              Can’t help feeling karma bit Curran, B. But politics is like soldiering – the glamour may be intoxicating but the reality is often fatal. It’s only suited to the naive and the Machiavellian. I think Curran was the former.

            • PartisanZ

               /  5th July 2020

              Blazer … I disagree … The Right-Wing trait is NO SPIRITED …

              “Release the Twin Karens!!!”

              “Open For Boarders!!!”

              It’s like they’re playing a game among themselves called, “How LOW can we stoop!?”

              I have a distinct feeling of Death Throes about it, which I think will result in 6 August 2020 being deemed “Blue Hiroshima Day” … National’s Big Bang!!! … The mass resignation of an entire Opposition Party … Its their only Ethical course of action.

              We just need the Schemedia to “turn” … which they’ve done often enough before …

              “Newtertainers and Newtrol* Re-Porters, there are rewards beyond money!!! Be remembered for helping to tika te ahua o te waka Kawanatanga: right the waka of governance, not Right the Shi* of Strate.

              PartisaNZ

              *Newtrol is News-Control for Sheeple, kinda like Population Cruise-Control

            • PartisanZ

               /  5th July 2020

              Militarized Politics is perhaps a bit like soldiering, yes.

              Militarized Civilian Life is a bit like Militarized Politics too …

              There’s some mirroring going on I think?

              The Military-Industrial Complex … sophistry-shifted in peacetime to Misery-Industrial Complex … until the Militarized Politicians can have their next War …

              aka “the profoundly sick society” … aka Wetiko …

              https://www.kosmosjournal.org/article/seeing-wetiko-on-capitalism-mind-viruses-and-antidotes-for-a-world-in-transition/

            • duperez

               /  5th July 2020

              I’d love to see the brutality of the details of Curran being ‘donkey deep in the hit jobs,’ you know, a list of what she said and did. Here’s the opportunity.

              I expect it’s not as tenuous Brian Johnston’s “I always had the impression….”

            • Duker

               /  5th July 2020

              As Julius Ceasar once said …’infamy infamy , they have got it for me’…well that was Kenneth Williams playing Cesar, but you get my point

              Oh please …as though the dispatch of Adams for Goldsmith wasnt brutal …in tears she was going to spend more time with her family…instead she got her revenge on Bridges and now doesnt want more time for her family.
              This time it was Bennett who would told she dosnt have a winnable list position and with 3 months till election no time for revenge so its out the door discarded like a used face mask….boo hoo
              repeated by Tolley a few days before and more time for the family.

              Clare Curran was just kissing the wrong rings in the media and she got bad press for her maneuverings when Ardern wanted a clean break from the normal back room deals of the Key- Joyce era

            • It’s Julius CAEsar, and Kenneth Williams actually said ‘Infamy, infamy, they’ve all got it in for me.’ when he played Caesar.

  9. Blazer

     /  5th July 2020

    The brutal,naked truth ….there Duker….something for the right to…choke on.

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  10. Tom Hunter

     /  5th July 2020

    Seesh. Watchin Duker on this thread is like watching a South African lock forward on the wrong side of an All Black ruck – in the old days.

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    • duperez

       /  5th July 2020

      What’s that? Being stomped on by cretins who can’t win with brain power? 😶

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  11. Jack

     /  5th July 2020

    Pete,
    You have made me feel as badly as what Claire Curran did – when you did nothing about Lurcher spitting on me, a few other times, and latterly when you took my honest contributions away.

    The Bible, which has been my help for my life for many years, says not to associate with fools, yet I tend to think well of people until it’s too late – too late, once I’m already shattered.

    I have wanted to contribute to your site. Christians have political views too, and I’m not the sort who feels content in an echo chamber. I liked your site – but you more than discourage an important voice. Your site is just an echo chamber too.

    The books Jack MW wrote have interesting viewpoints – political and personal, from the heart of a real victim.

    I find your sympathy for Claire nauseating. You pick and choose, and you don’t hold to your byline at all. YourNZ most certainly threatens free speech.

    Those two books by Jack MW actually debunk Christianity. You could give them a go – or are you a fool?

    Kind regards
    Always grateful for the little you did.

    https://www.amazon.com/author/hakaonthepew

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  12. Margaret Wassilieff

     /  5th July 2020
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    • Maggy Wassilieff

       /  5th July 2020

      didn’t change to my usual name

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      • Duker

         /  5th July 2020

        1 person doing a political pr job?
        I think Keys office threw in impartialy out the window as shown in Dirty politics book, and with the evidence a later enquiry showed how the SiS was used in a hit job on the labour opposition leader.

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        • Maggy Wassilieff

           /  5th July 2020

          I’m not making a comparison with other Governments…
          I’m just wondering why Pete George has overlooked/omitted Clare Curran’s very dodgy entre into the NZ Political scene..

          I doubt that anyone really got to the bottom of her involvement with the crap that went down in the Ministry of the Environment.

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  13. Horisthebear

     /  6th July 2020

    Having worked with her in Parliament she was nasty as long as it suited her. Classic bully gives it out and can’t take it. Saying she needed 6months help to recover is really saying something. Wait till she stops earning $200k and has to find a real job.

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  14. Cyber bullying is a crime this should also qualify. Vile disgusting people. The Nats are a gutter party. MPs funded by taxpayer dollars to behave like thugs. How can we change this? Criminal charges, a few months in prison?

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