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  1. PartisanZ

     /  5th July 2020

    Where’s my blustering National Party ^Broad-Church^ Northland MP, Matt King, when the White folks living at Pataua South install their own speed bumps to protect their community from flying tourists and rampaging boy-racer locals*?

    Matt could take his parents there for an outing, like he did driving them towards Cape Reinga during lockdown, and then make a big fuss in the Right-Wing Schemedia about it being illegal, like he incysted the Coronavirus Kaiwaha Rahui aka ‘checkpoints’ were.

    The circumstances are essentially the same – a group of residents unilaterally taking ‘risk management’ action on behalf of their whole community – and ethically identical – the moral duty to challenge and/or disobey unjust laws and regulations.

    Only the physical manifestation is different. Pataua South residents have done something much more permanent to their roadway – hence more permanently illegal – than hapu iwi Maori did using temporary, removable checkpoints, whose people protected Maori and Pakeha, iwi and tauiwi alike, in the midst of a deadly global pandemic.

    Ψ PartisaNZ Ψ – Kohukohu

    *local boy racers must surely be part of “their whole community”? … Their own children perhaps?

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  5th July 2020

      Somehow it’s the oppositions’s fault the Government has failed to tackle nuisance/dangerous behaviour?

      Must be election time.

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      • Duker

         /  5th July 2020

        “it’s the oppositions’s fault the Government has failed to tackle nuisance/dangerous behaviour?
        Who cut back severely on road policing during the 9 years of neglect, road toll increased, SH maintenance dropped as money was diverted only to RONS, including taking the money passed onto Police for breath testing ( Simon Bridges was minister)
        Thats why the previous government gets the blame

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  5th July 2020

          Surely it was colonialism? You just haven’t gone back far enough.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  5th July 2020

            “Surely it was colonialism” is one of a plethora of cries from the Farm-and-Fortocracy, DCN “folk-heroes” who have retreated to the Re-Doubt and armed-up with Logical Fallacies, Diversions, Obfuscations and Fu*kwittery.

            The Sheriff of NottingScum … .

            You are not addressing the issue Alan.

            Just as Stock-Aiding yourselves in Arch-Conservative, Judeo-Christian, Feudal Oligarchic, Mercantile Capitalist Plutocracy’s ‘Misery-Industrial Complex’ is not addressing the issue …

            The issue that you could just signal your intentions to negotiate – maybe even a White Flag? – go out and talk to the Natives – Brown & Poor alike – acknowledge that you’ve ripped them off, and make some Peace for yourselves as well as them …

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  5th July 2020

              I haven’t ripped anyone off, PZ. Speak for yourself if you have. I’ve done more than my share of helping others and race has never been a factor in that. Your arrogance matches your ignorance unfortunately.

        • Surely it was when Earth was created, Alan.

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    • Corky

       /  5th July 2020

      Are these speed bumps abusing Maori? Are these speed bumps stopping people going about their lawful business? Are these speed bumps intimidating to Maori?

      If the speed bumps are illegal, let the council and gummint rip them up and deal to the problem….like they should have when Maori erected an illegal road block and threatened to ‘waste’ a sitting government MP.

      You need to calm down, Parti. A good long walk is in order. While on this walk, I’m looking to source a Rainbow Valley papaya from up your way. If you see one in your travels please get back to me.

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  2. lurcher1948

     /  5th July 2020

    A great breakfast “hair of the dog”…if you are that way inclined

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  5th July 2020

    WOW, two schools of thought on bridges demotion
    gump
    I’m uncomfortable with Foreign Affairs being handled by an MP who has undertaken meetings in China with the head of the Chinese Secret Police and publicly praised the CCP on Chinese state media.

    Thumb up 8 Thumb down 37LOG IN TO REPLY REPORTJULY 4, 2020 3:18PM
    Paulus
    I am comfortable with somebody who is open minded enough to meet with other Foreign MPs and Officials – that is the role of the Minister of Foreign Affairs.
    Glad to see Simon in that role.

    Thumb up 43 Thumb down 0LOG IN TO REPLY REPORTJULY 4, 2020 4:04PM
    Arther or Marther,greasing up to the commies was a bad look., always remember the National MP Jian Yang made his visit possible.

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    • Corky

       /  5th July 2020

      There are no schools of thought regarding Bridges demotion. Everyone has forgotten about him…and the rest of us don’t care…apart from you.

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      • Duker

         /  5th July 2020

        Didnt know Brownlee had retired to may way for Bridges, so Bridges wasnt good enough 1 month ago for the job, but now is? They didnt dare demote Bennett like that but now have pushed her down the list so she knew it wood be goodbyesy come election time, so she is now on taxpayer funded gardening leave while job hunting ( plus the 3 months post election pay)
        The real answer is Mullers position is weaker now than a month ago as the polls have national stuck around mid 30s or less. Bridges will have his revenge on Amy Adams, Nikki Kaye and Bishop maybe a year after the election

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        • Arthur or Martha, Lurch.

          They’d make great names for dogs, as long as one was a bitch.

          One blog wouldn’t allow the word bitch even when it was used of a bitch having pups.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  5th July 2020

            Automated systems, Kitty, that are just a list of banned words so too dumb to judge context.

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  4. Blazer

     /  5th July 2020

    A gormless man was seen wandering around the Beehive.

    Reliable Parliamentary sources say he was seen entering Michael Woodhouse’s office.

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    • John J Harrison

       /  5th July 2020

      Blazer, correct, that was David Parker looking for some sage advice from the next Minister of Health .

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      • Duker

         /  5th July 2020

        You have seen Woodhouses record as a minister previously , no one would take advice from that rank amateur/bumblecluck

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        • Corky

           /  5th July 2020

          Can you post us some examples of this dastardly mans incompetence, Duker? And no spinning.

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          • Duker

             /  5th July 2020

            Whats the point you wont believe it anyway.
            Opposition means they can pick and choose the issues, invent stuff even – Woodhouse has been down that path.
            Who remembers now Bill English and Shipley as health ministers in the 90s wanting charge for hospitals stays ( cash registers in wards) or the policy to limit expensive care to people over 75, or with mental defects etc. They both went onto become PMs, inspite of the huge uproars at the time . The head of the Manukau DHB or CHE came back from overseas to rule that a patient be treated in contravention to the governments policy.
            A compliant media whitewashed those historys out

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            • You are confusing the policy of letting private patients use empty beds in public hospitals with charging public patients.

              I hope it’s a genuine confusion and not an invention.

          • Corky

             /  5th July 2020

            Translation: I have been caught spinning again.

            No…hold on. Here’s something:

            ”In August 2015, Michael Woodhouse caused controversy when he released a list of 57 high risk industries for his Health an Safety Reform Bill. This list was mocked by the Opposition because worm farming and mini golf were deemed “high risk”, while dairy and cattle farming were not.”

            Wow, talk about bad. Phil Twyford has nothing on this dude.😄

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            • Duker

               /  5th July 2020

              Slater has a longer list than that snippet
              “Michael Woodhouse really rates himself, what with his plucked eye-brows, his moisturising regime and sun bed use he really thinks he is God’s gift despite sharing the same cobbler who makes Winston’s lift shoes…ouch. Is he trying to say something
              https://www.whaleoil.net.nz/tag/michael-woodhouse/page/2/
              Retail NZ is deeply disappointed in the Government Bill introduced today governing Easter Sunday trading hours, and says the Government is not listening to industry concerns.

              ‘Omnishambles Woodhouse says our refugee vetting is just fine. Oh crap?’

              The Council of Trade Unions is urging the Government to stamp out controversial zero-hour contracts.
              Workplace relations minister Michael Woodhouse has promised to stop zero-hour contracts and prevent unfair employment practices.
              But the CTU says the Government’s Employment Standards Bill would do the opposite”

              “So we thought wasting $26 million on a flag project was stupid, how about the waste of pouring $49 million into queue jumping “refugees”?
              New Zealand will take 750 Syrian refugees over the next two and half years, immigration minister Michael Woodhouse says.
              Of the 750 places, 600 will be by way of a special emergency intake above New Zealand?s annual refugee quota of 750, and 150 places will be offered within the quota.”

            • Corky

               /  5th July 2020

              ”Slater has a longer list than that snippet.”

              Geez, mate, you should really take a step back and smell the bs.

              In the scheme of things, trifles. Try Twyford and David Clark and Clair Whoever and Kelvin Davis. Have you heard of the United Nations?

            • Duker

               /  5th July 2020

              You you saying those snippets from WO didnt exist, based on news stories from the time…oh a bit of his own venom.
              Woodhouse was letting more Syrian refugees in spite of the refugee based high profile murders in europe. No extra vetting needed

            • The flag change was Labour’s idea in the first place.

            • Duker

               /  5th July 2020

              So they made Key spend the money on an idea that didnt even go to cabinet first…he just wanted a ‘legacy’…and he made his mind up of what the design was going to be ….even added that red peak design after the so called flag panel made ‘its’ choice.
              A good design could have won , not some rip off ( like the election music) of the All Blacks as a pastiche of the existing colonial flag.

  5. lurcher1948

     /  5th July 2020

    Blazer was he the person delivering the latest personal COVID-19 detail leaks,DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP, those communist Chinese donations, being used for maximum effect

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  6. Corky

     /  5th July 2020

    Time to be afraid, folks. I’m guessing most people who post here will be on some type of medication. Statins being a favourite of doctors. They almost seem offended should they see a reasonable cholesterol reading.

    Most people will not experience any major side effects from their meds. But what about a generic substitutes? On paper there should be no difference – the active ingredient will be the same as the original drug. In reality, there can be a difference, and people will die.

    A big concern is Metformin. This drug is the darling of doctors and the alternative/ life extension practitioners. It’s the first port of call for doctors with diabetic patients. For life extension practitioners this drug has proven time and again to keep the bodies critical processes from degrading as we age. New benefits for this drug are being found all the time.

    So, is our health ministry worried about a major drug company moving out of the NZ market?
    Hell, no. Pharmac will source new supplies of generics from other sources and everything will be kapai according to a spokesperson.

    Bullshit. Expect deaths. I hope I’m wrong.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/07/a-million-kiwis-to-be-impacted-by-major-pharmaceutical-company-leaving-new-zealand.html

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    • Duker

       /  5th July 2020

      Your false reasoning is shown by patients often having different reactions to existing medication anyway , hell, some improve with a placebo.
      Remember the storm whipped up over the change in epilepsy medication- people wiil die they said , and they did. Not mentioned was epilepsy is a serious illness and people always have died unexpectedly.

      Look up nocebo effect, it explains if patients expect medication not to be beneficial then thats more likely to happen.
      You are a human nocebo whipping up concerns

      I had a neighbour concerned last week about some work to install fibre optic lines, she thought it was 5G and would harm her. This is the level of ignorance out there which you are manipulating with your scare stories

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      • Corky

         /  5th July 2020

        ”Your false reasoning is shown by patients often having different reactions to existing medication anyway , hell, some improve with a placebo.”

        That’s a given, and I thought that would be clear to everyone on medications…er, because you get a facts sheet regarding the medicine on its initial use.

        You have a real problem bringing the placebo effect to the table because most patients mindlessly take whatever medication they are given( admittedly people are becoming more informed). Yes, it’s possible someone sees something on TV and starts to worry. But unlikely for most folk.

        ”Remember the storm whipped up over the change in epilepsy medication- people wiil die they said , and they did. Not mentioned was epilepsy is a serious illness and people always have died unexpectedly.”

        A silly comment. People will die…or people started to die?

        ”Look up nocebo effect, it explains if patients expect medication not to be beneficial then that’s more likely to happen.You are a human nocebo whipping up concerns.”

        No, I’m a realist going by past events. If you want nocebo…try the medical profession and their demonetization of alternative medicine.

        ”I had a neighbor concerned last week about some work to install fibre optic lines, she thought it was 5G and would harm her. This is the level of ignorance out there which you are manipulating with your scare stories.”

        Yes, your neighbor was ignorant regarding that. She should have educated herself and seen the light.

        Here’s just ONE example. May I suggest you stick with politics. It’s something you at least have scant knowledge of.

        Find out why I fear generics…based on facts, and not ignorance.

        https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/05/12/722216512/bottle-of-lies-exposes-the-dark-side-of-the-generic-drug-boom

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  7. Pink David

     /  5th July 2020

    America is awesome

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    • Corky

       /  5th July 2020

      Them boys are ready for Sleepy Joe, when he and his Jacinda clones come for their guns.
      Yes, Sir…these boys will light dem up.

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      • THOSE ‘boys’ are ‘girls’ in some cases. Do look at THEM carefully. Hint; their chests have bumps and they have high-pitched voices.

        They are not all black, either. Some are pink.

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        • Duker

           /  5th July 2020

          Guns for home protection of family and property ….
          doesnt look it from that picture

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    • Duker

       /  5th July 2020

      Daily death rate per 100K is increasing in Georgia after peaking and then dropping after April, started rising around JUne 20
      Total deaths were at 2700 2 weeks ago will be around 3000 by now
      On the way back to widespread closedowns of industry and malls

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        • Duker

           /  5th July 2020

          infection rates are much worse than that, as many lessons learnt medically after initial surge and lots of people were triaged off overloaded hospitals.
          Smaller towns and cities hospitals can handle those sick more easily, but still large numbers very sick even if death rates still low to moderate

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          • Pink David

             /  5th July 2020

            “infection rates are much worse than that, as many lessons learnt medically after initial surge and lots of people were triaged off overloaded hospitals.”

            Why did this never happen in Sweden?

            Why did none of the temporary hospitals get used in NY and the UK?

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    • PartisanZ

       /  5th July 2020

      Clearly Krishnamurti was correct, “It is no measure of good health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society”

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      • Corky

         /  5th July 2020

        I think the Theosophy Society had more influence on him then he realised.

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  5th July 2020

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      • Pink David

         /  6th July 2020

        Apart from being rather racist, this comment also fly’s in the face of 2020 being the best year for American firearms sales in history.

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  6th July 2020

          Apparently the White Americans get a little nervous when Black Americans start organising and open carrying.

          “The Mulford Act was a 1967 California bill that repealed a law allowing public carrying of loaded firearms. Named after Republican assemblyman Don Mulford, and signed into law by then governor of California, Ronald Reagan, the bill was crafted in response to members of the Black Panther Party who were lawfully conducting armed patrols of Oakland neighborhoods, in what would later be termed copwatching.[1] They garnered national attention after Black Panthers members, bearing arms, marched upon the California State Capitol to protest the bill.[2][3][4]”

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act

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  8. PartisanZ

     /  5th July 2020

    Lyricists and Poets are often Prophetic?

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  9. duperez

     /  5th July 2020

    Ahh, decisions, decisions … for all in quarantine. Where to do isolation. To spend the night in an Auckland correctional facility room?

    Or a basic room at the Pullman?

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  6th July 2020

      I suspect the choice was made by a badly disturbed mind.

      Reply

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