Open Forum Friday

This post is open to anyone to comment on any topic that isn’t spam, illegal or offensive. All Your NZ posts are open but this one is for you to raise topics that interest you, or you think may interest others.. 

If providing opinions on or summaries of other information also provide a link to that information. Bloggers are welcome to summarise and link to their posts. Comments worth more exposure may be repeated as posts. Comments from other forums can be repeated here, cut and paste is fine.

Your NZ is a mostly political and social issues blog but not limited to that, and views from anywhere on the political spectrum are welcome. Some ground rules:

  • If possible support arguments, news, points or opinions with links to sources and facts.
  • Please don’t post anything illegal, potentially defamatory or abusive.

FIRST TIME COMMENTERS: Due to abuse by a few, first comments under any ID will park in moderation until released (as soon as possible but it can sometimes take a while).

Sometimes comments will go into moderation or spam automatically due to mistyped ID, too many links (>4), or trigger text or other at risk criteria. If they pass muster they will be released as soon as possible (it can sometimes take hours).

Leave a comment

56 Comments

  1. Reply
  2. Blazer

     /  10th July 2020

    Don’t like Clark getting this number.
    Should be more qualified people available.

    Reply
    • duperez

       /  10th July 2020

      There will be a few who won’t like Clark getting the gig.
      What are the qualifications for doing the job, who decided what they were and who decided she should have it?

      When the petty sniping happens I’ll put it into the context of a six year old on getting their first little balsa model kit and fiddling with it, immediately saying what a major world aeronautical company should be doing and giving them technical and design advice they should follow.

      Reply
  3. Blazer

     /  10th July 2020

    Kiwis stranded in the ‘Lucky Country’…trying to get back to ‘God’s Own’….no sanitiser either…
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122063069/coronavirus-kiwis-stuck-in-australian-detention-protest-deportation-delays

    Reply
    • Duker

       /  10th July 2020

      Doth they protest too much.?..the reason for being held ‘in detention’ was they were legally challenging the expulsion order via the courts ( slim chance of winning )
      Those who are apprehended by the police could have been out of the country in days if they sign away any legal challenge pronto to the Border Force aka Immigration

      Reply
  4. Reply
    • Blazer

       /  10th July 2020

      I thought that was National’s front bench lineup….for a minute.

      Reply
      • artcroft

         /  10th July 2020

        That’d be a front bench Labour can only aspire to.

        Reply
        • Corky

           /  10th July 2020

          A rock-solid front line, Arty.🦾

          Reply
          • PartisanZ

             /  10th July 2020

            “Rocked” maybe, after another daily round of FUBARs, revelations, admissions and resignations, but certainly not “solid”.

            They are turning towards a Redemption Song though, as the Schemedia turns on them … The Click & The Bait …

            National : Meet the Feeples! They’re GONERS!

            An August 6th resignation as Opposition and concede Election2020 is looking all the more likely.

            Reply
    • Duker

       /  10th July 2020

      The DNA study is nonsense. They look at TODAYS DNA and Compare with TODAYS DNA from South America
      Then make the claim its 800yrs ago These sort of geneology DNA studies arent that accurate …maybe 400 years max
      “Ioannidis and colleagues analysed the DNA of people from Rapa Nui, and also studied DNA of individuals from 17 populations of Pacific islands and 15 Native American populations from the Pacific coast of South America. Genome-wide DNA analyses of 807 people (analysing predominantly present-day individuals)
      The present day populations already have DNA from European sources ( French in Tahiti and Spainish for Rapa Nui)
      The evidence is very very slim
      “The authors propose that the Native South American genetic signatures they found were probably the result of a single ancient contact.
      Its no discovery to find something was likely a blip in the DNA record , requires statistical techniques and computer models to notice but dates far far back.

      Anywhere where did the native populations of both North and South America originate ?
      Asia

      Where did the polynesian populations originate, migration across the pacific from Asia.

      All our genes are mixed in from around the ancient world
      https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01983-5

      Reply
  5. Reply
  6. The US Supreme Court has ruled 7-2 that no-one is above the law, not even Trump, and has upheld Congress’ right to subpoena info, including from POTUS.

    SCOTUS has also ruled, again 7-2, concerning Congressional subpoenas issued by three separate House committees seeking Trump’s tax returns pursuant to their oversight functions, that Trump should surrender his tax returns.

    and in BREAKING NEWS: Judge Sullivan is seeking an en banc review of the terrible DC Circuit decision that he can’t look into the bogus DOJ dismissal of the Flynn case. Of course he can. I predict he will get en banc review & they will reverse. As they should.

    Big rule of law day today!

    Reply
    • Duker

       /  10th July 2020

      Im being sneaky here and wouldnt happen, but wouldnt it be ‘delicious’ if President Bidens pick for Attorney General be HILARY CLINTON.
      Even the idea would make those Trump supporters, with some say simian characteristics, heads explode
      Trump can run after Jan 20 but he cant hide and the cry will go up at the Dems convention ‘Lock Him Up’

      Reply
  7. duperez

     /  10th July 2020

    Earlier in the week I referred to whether Hamish Walker was the only MP Michelle Boag had sent stuff to. In the focus on Walker with the brouhaha it was pertinent.

    Days later Michael Woodhouse suddenly has ‘a realisation.’ Those sorts of things happen when you’re holed up and the investigators are approaching. After his blast with a press release last Saturday Woodhouse seems to have been holed up.

    The explanation/story proffered this morning might move the needle on the credibility scale the most minute amount then it will settle back. The movement will be down to someone having left the door ajar for the winter wind to intrude.
    For sure there’s a major winter chill coming through.

    Reply
    • Unfortunately this passion has put me on a self-destructive path. This was confirmed for me as I wrote to Michael Heron QC last night to advise him that towards the end of June I had sent several emails to Michael Woodhouse comprising notification of a small number of then new Covid19 cases. My decisions to share this information were wrong, driven by my distorted view that providing that information would help the National Party to hold the Government to account. In fact it was harmful, not helpful, and it is time that the National Party and I parted ways.

      https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2007/S00139/press-statement-from-michelle-boag.htm

      Between June 21 and 25 I received four unsolicited emails from Michelle Boag containing information that, while not the same information that is the subject of the Inquiry led by Michael Heron QC, was similar insofar as it contained patient details.

      Michelle told me she received this information through her role with the Auckland Rescue Helicopter Trust and I was led to believe it was circulating among a number of other health agencies.

      I recognised that the information in those emails was private so I did not share it with anyone else and I subsequently deleted them.

      I have made contact with Mr Heron to provide details to him in the event that it may be relevant to his Inquiry. If he deems it to be relevant I will cooperate fully with the Inquiry.

      I can confirm that Michelle Boag is not the source of any previous information released by me in relation to the Government’s Covid-19 response.

      https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2007/S00105/statement-from-michael-woodhouse.htm

      Reply
      • duperez

         /  10th July 2020

        Okay Michael, you’re a man of integrity, I’ll simply have to believe you. Your magnanimity in your approach to Mr Heron is to be admired.

        I am pleased the homeless man story didn’t come from Michelle. I shuddered when I imagined her having to even be mentioned in anything in regard to ‘a homeless man.’ I mean this is Michelle Boag.

        I have to say I’m still a little perplexed about the terrible situation of homeless guy. The authorities freaked out and apparently many thousands of dollars worth of resources were put into tracking him down given the seriousness of the situation. They were absolutely desperate given the possibility of him becoming infected and spreading it across Auckland. Some say it was hundreds of thousands actually.
        What I’m perplexed about is you then rubbished them for wasting time and money on trying to chase the guy down. I realise the world moves on and there are things like realisations to deal with, but please explain the criticism about them following up.

        At the moment it seems to me you have discarded a shitty nappy along the road and driven on.

        You’ve moved on to other nappies I suppose but we’re not babies just accepting your deposit. Tell us all about it, we’re like Mr Heron, we’d love to hear everything.

        Reply
  8. Duker

     /  10th July 2020

    Hasnt Muller been caught out ‘accepting assurances’ from his MPs that Boags leaks havent come to them as well.
    Ever the PR maven Boag has decided to release this extra bombshell as a ‘friday dump’

    It seems that the whole affair was orchestrated between Boag and Mps and just that Walker was the bunny with media contacts in parliament ( apparently Spinoff said hes very popular and social amoung the ‘gallery’- cue a number of women journas fess that he provided the data on the basis his name isnt used once he outed himself)
    They all knew it was too hot for someone like Woodhouse to use and Im wondering if the personal email adress Boag used for what was AHRT business ( she been acting CEO for 6 months at least) was to enable the tracks to be covered and Walker could could truly claim it was a leaker not a health official. Boag knew the jig was up though and the better to come clean early …but too clean as it seems shes been holding back as astute people imagined all along

    Reply
    • Duker

       /  10th July 2020

      Backing up what I said , Audrey and Co in the Herald is picking apart Mullers actions day by day.
      Key used to be so devious and sly over many years no one trusted him on the left. I had though Muller showed some integrity and it was him pushing that made certain people fess up.
      They are asking questions over why Muller was devious over his answers about what Woodhouse knew , when he already knew that Woodhouse got emails from Boag.

      Amelia Wade ( who had the scoop from Walker originally)
      “A party spokeswoman said today Woodhouse told Muller this on Tuesday night.
      But the next day, Muller was specifically asked by reporters “have you checked with Woodhouse, specifically, whether he received that same information from Boag”.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12347031

      and other story more or less saying Muller was initally spineless
      “Since getting a spine and asking the board to de-select Walker, Muller has been repeatedly asked if other MPs had received the information or at least asked his MPs whether they had received similar material. He was asked as recently as yesterday whether he had sought those assurances and specifically from Woodhouse and he said no. Technically that may have been because he already knew the answer, but the answer was misleading.”
      Audrey Young
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12347081

      Misleading Beehive reporters like this can only lead to grief….the way in PM [ XXX ] time was to background brief them so their stories were mostly true and could avoid being wrong

      Yes we are a small country and most people will gloss over these details. Muller cant have too many of these badly handled blow ups where the journos are asking ..WTF

      Thank heavens we dont have Mikey around for him to say its a storm in the teacup and why arent we running these hotels like a Stalag , not that we need them at all, when tourists could be creating jobs ….boom boom boom.

      Reply
  9. Corky

     /  10th July 2020

    1- Did National have a word?
    2- Did the Chinese government have a word?
    3- Was it a personal decision?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122094310/jian-yang-the-national-mp-who-admitted-to-training-chinese-spies-retiring

    Reply
    • Corky

       /  10th July 2020

      ”He said it had been a great honour to represent the Chinese community as a National MP in Parliament and be able to “assist numerous Chinese constituents and enabled the Chinese community to better understand and participate in New Zealand’s open and democratic politics”.

      I have been sitting on the fence about this guy. However, this quote, for me, says he’s full of bs. His citizenship should be revoked..and he should be sent packing…along with the Indian guy who escaped from Covid isolation.

      Reply
  10. Duker

     /  10th July 2020

    “National MP Jian Yang has announced he will retire from politics after the election.”

    The scoop from Derek Cheng , [deleted assertion which was really an attack on a journalist]

    [deleted, you are unlikely to know what he knew]

    The ridiculous situation of an MP who refused all media requests will come to an end.. I wonder if his love for his adopted country might not last the pull from the motherland to return to the bosum of the Party and its leader for life ?

    Reply
    • Corky

       /  10th July 2020

      Good question regarding whether he will stay on in NZ.

      Reply
    • Duker

       /  10th July 2020

      That a whole lot of Mps from National, who had ‘qualified to be on on the list’ for this years election but hadnt yet known their place, suddenly in quick sucession say they are changing theirs 2 months before the election and suddenly prefer to spend more time with the family.
      Its clearly because the draft positions have been circulated and some Mps know their numbers up. Curtains based on the current polling.
      Good grief. Of course I dont know what he knew ..Im speculating based on experience and the parade of ‘stepping downs’ and he wont be the last. Theres no legal question at issue .
      Its unbelievable hat its Cotton wool week for national Mps, and thats opinion.

      Reply
  11. Alan Wilkinson

     /  10th July 2020

    In Hamilton another idiot skips quarantine. I hope these clowns get jail time or otherwise have to pay full compensation for the trouble they cause others.

    Reply
    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  10th July 2020

      Hipkins seems to be doing a good job as the emergency Health Minister. Highlights what a hopeless case he took over from.

      Reply
    • duperez

       /  10th July 2020

      I grew up in an era of reading war comics and books and seeing movies about prisoners escaping in WW2. The imagination went wild. I marvelled at the ingenuity of people and their desperation. The real dire straits they felt themselves in though couldn’t really be imagined.

      Those escaping here now? Clowns is a very soft description. To me there are no extenuating circumstances for any of them even without knowing their personal situations. It is a pity they cannot be taken to court right now and given maximum sentences. I would not have a monetary penalty but have them locked up. As I showed the other day, the rooms they escaped from are better than the alternative. The thing is the mental state would be the same at least, probably worse in their new residence. They are too limited or out of control to realise that I suppose.

      Reply
    • Pink David

       /  10th July 2020

      Doesn’t this just show what a farce the idea of a NZ ‘elimination’ is? One fence jumper and you are all terrified of infection.

      How long do you think you can sustain that?

      Reply
    • The Indian man is accepted to have been acting from ignorance. The rules were origibnally that people could go for a walk as long as they didn’t stand too close to anyone.

      The lack of supervision that allowed him to walk out quite openly has a lot a lot to answer for.

      I’d rather have a monetary penalty for them than have them cost even more in prison; the cost of keeping a prisoner in clink is appalling. A fine would mean that they were making a contribution to their keep instead of making the taxpayer spend even more on them.

      Reply
      • originallly

        Reply
        • duperez

           /  10th July 2020

          Probably for the same length of time that the hysterical will blame the Prime Minister, the Minister of Health, the Border Control Minister, the Army, the Police and aunty Mary when someone absconds.

          Personally I’m not terrified. If Michael Woodhouse can find out about someone getting out and be nice and relaxed about for a few days thinking there ‘s no danger, I’m good.

          Reply
      • Really, some birds are totally irresponsible. People had to spend time trying to round these ingrates up and take them back. I hope that these idiotic birds will be fined.

        Reply
  12. Pink David

     /  10th July 2020

    This is not a joke.

    Reply
    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  10th July 2020

      The lunatics are still in charge of the asylum.

      Reply
      • Alan, there is a new and improved bus card called a Bee.

        The terms & conditions etc fill at least 10 pages of very small print.As I remember it, there were fewer than that in the papers about moving a house from one place to another. I won’t start on the stuff-ups of the new system, that would take another 10pp.

        10pp for a BUS CARD ???

        Reply
  13. Pink David

     /  10th July 2020

    Russian bounties? Not so much….

    Reply
    • NOEL

       /  10th July 2020

      Put another way “our intel is pretty flakey”

      Reply
      • Duker

         /  10th July 2020

        I thought that at the time … it was the usual suspects in NY Times breaking the story. Judith Miller has long gone but the same underlings are still around
        Apparently the Russians have been paying the Taliban, Im sure they will take money from anyone..The Saudis…the Pakistanis…maybe even the US at times.
        If you arent getting paid by someone…you are someones elses target.
        I wonder how much Karzai was paid over a long period …he has a big clan to keep in their usual style.
        Take american money to protect convoys, take Russian money to blow them up… they have done it that way for 100s of years

        Biden should know all this, hes an operator himself and was VP for Obama when messy things like this were done all the time. The base wanted some Trump kicking for the day

        Reply
        • Pink David

           /  10th July 2020

          “You only ever rent an Afghan, you cannot buy them.”

          Reply
          • Duker

             /  10th July 2020

            Yes . Very first days after 911 when CIA operators arrived in remote areas in The Ghan, $US were the primary means of persuasion.
            Some say its a $2trillion spent on the country in 18 years of war and rebuild…for nothing

            $10 bill on counter narcotics alone
            The US should tell the Russians …. take it its yours

            Reply
            • Blazer

               /  10th July 2020

              Eric Prince is very happy…and our very own mercenary Mark (the porridge stirrer)…..laughed all the way to the…bank.

  14. Patzcuaro

     /  10th July 2020

    Reply
    • Duker

       /  10th July 2020

      The left wing news isnt so pure either…its a product which is like high couture fashion, has to appeal to various tastes while moulding them .
      The Guardian screams all sorts rhetoric with ‘high impact words’ and hype, no middle ground with MUST used in every headline and arent too different from Fox News in they way they present slanted news. And they know it . Its how Millennial click bait works and why the Herald copies it.
      Good to see Stuff toned right down with its new owners . yes I dont believe $1 down is all she paid at all.
      Its probably a structured finance deal to ensure the Aussies get their dosh tax free in Australia , which a clean sale would incur.

      Reply
  15. duperez

     /  10th July 2020

    MP (now ex MP) from Queenstown doesn’t want quarantine facilities in the town. The good people of the area are wary of those who are going to be in them. You don’t know you might get unsavoury people from unsavoury parts of the world.

    So a Queenstown man scarpers from quarantine in Hamilton. 🙃

    Reply
    • Duker

       /  10th July 2020

      Tell them any one who leaves without permission will have their quarantine clock set back to zero when they are returned.
      I read thats what they are doing in NSW, may be speculation as it would ‘harsh’ or something

      Reply
      • Duker

         /  10th July 2020

        Very Queenstown/Wanaka
        “‘Four pack of Leffe Blonde and pinot noir’:”

        Reply
  16. PartisanZ

     /  10th July 2020

    Reply

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Google photo

You are commenting using your Google account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s