Judith Collins launches herself as leader

National ended up settling their leadership very quickly, announcing that Judith Collins will take over from Todd Muller after Muller stepped down yesterday morning. Gerry Brownlee takes over from Nkiki Kay as deputy.

“I can’t wait to take the fight to the government. Our goal is to put in place a far better government focused on the people of this country and what they are going to need, particularly from an economic point of view.”

“Experience, toughness, the ability to make decisions. Jacinda Ardern is not someone we should ever underestimate. She is an adversary that I would absolutely respect, but I tell you what, our team is better than their team and we are going to take it back.”

According to Richard Harman – Why National finally called on Collins – Mark Mitchell also stood for the leadership, and Paul Goldsmith also stood for the deputy position.

This morning Collins is doing the media rounds, and she has started that showing her experience.

After her media interviews she will work out her shadow cabinet – she says she will only make a few changes, she said it is too close to the election to make major changes. Mostly the changes are those required by the change in responsibilities for her and Brownlee. Kaye will keep a significant role, and Muller is also likely to be included.

Then they will review their policies and no doubt review their approach to the election campaign, but as Brownlee was managing their campaign that shouldn’t be difficult.

Collins has also said she will retain most of the Muller appointed staff in the leader’s office. At this stage before the election that’s another sensible decision.

“I respect the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and I believe she is a very good communicator. She has communicated very well during the Covid crisis.”

“Jacinda Ardern, I think she is a spot on excellent communicator…Communication’s one thing execution’s another and I haven’t seen that much coming out of the Government”

There’s a stream of opponents busy on social media dredging up whatever they can find about Collins’ past – her connection to Dirty Politics and to Cameron Slater is a common thread with even Nicky Hager having a go (Press advisory on Judith Collins and the book Dirty Politics), despite that coming to a head six years ago. There is no sign other than Collins keeping a big political distance from Slater since then.

Running dirty attacks in social media is how politics works (unfortunately), but it will be far more critical how Collins handles the media and political journalists, and she is generally very adept at this.

Time will tell how Collins and National do from here. They have a big challenge repair substantial damage so it won’t be easy, but for the good of a health democracy I hope they at least survive in a reasonable state. Their chances of succeeding this election are slim, but they need to become a sensible, strong opposition at least until the election and probably after it as well.

Collins should manage the initial media onslaught ok.

The first big test will be her ranking of her front bench and spokesperson roles. Collins has indicated that Paul Goldsmith will retain the Finance role. She is not committing on Michael Woodhouse until she ‘gets the facts’ today.

Some will demand ‘balance’, especially gender and ethnic. The latter could be tricky but she could promote Simon Bridges and in particular Shane Reti.

However every party doesn’t have to represent everyone, that’s a nonsense that keeps getting promoted. ACT doesn’t represent everyone, Greens don’t represent everyone, neither NZ First or the Maori Party or Labour.

Parties should represent their own constituencies and their own target demographics. But it’s far more important that they represent some semblance of competence and integrity than ticking every box insisted on by others.

Collins: “I’m the right person at this time for the caucus”.

She is going to target economic issues and is still trying to promote the ‘strong team’ theme.

“I know that this is a tough job but we can get it done”.

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  1. John J Harrison

     /  15th July 2020

    Go girl.
    Now we have a bare knuckle brawl to get our country back on track.
    At least she will not be repeating “ be kind “ ad nauseum “ day and night.
    There is clearly no comparison between the two teams and their leaders.
    Especially looking forward to Gerry’s debate with Kelvin Davies — what a pantomime that will be for all to see.
    But having [deleted, use proper names] face off with Jacinda will be the caviar on ones morning toast.
    [deleted, use proper names] will destroy her with the facts and her personality.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  15th July 2020

      Yawn just what NZ needs at this time,National should kick of the election with some benefit bashing,that usual standby for National to fire up the troops..followed by some groveling to the gun lobby,maybe a small back down so they can dig up their AR15s and not vote ACT,but does anyone really think any new voters are going to warm to Brownlee and Collins,a blast from the ancient past.

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      • Corky

         /  15th July 2020

        ”But does anyone really think any new voters are going to warm to Brownlee and Collins,a blast from the ancient past.”

        All I will say is more than a few people have had a gutsful of wokism. Time will tell.

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      • Lurch, do stop saying that about ACT; it wasn’t true at the beginning and it’s not true now.

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  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  15th July 2020

    Hope Collins gets stuck into Jacinda over her PI travel bubble nonsense. No good reason flights to Raro aren’t happening.

    Plus the Auckland Waikato water fiasco is just another nanny state lunacy under her watch.

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    • Corky

       /  15th July 2020

      Jacinda is probably holding off an announcement till during the election campaign for maximum impact. One things for sure, once Kiwis can travel to Raro, there will be so many of us there, Raro will become a mini NZ. Raro wants tourists, I’m guessing they are about to get them.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  15th July 2020

      Brown demonstrates how to misinterpret.

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    • Duker

       /  15th July 2020

      Dont worry Hager has kept plenty back from his documents on Collins during the Dirty Politics saga…..for just this sort of circumstances…

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      • That would be playing dirty wouldn’t it? If it was important why wouldn’t he reveal it at the time?

        He has given no indication of what you claim in his media release.

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        • Corky

           /  15th July 2020

          I tried to explain to Duker, if that was true, Collins wouldn’t have put her name forward for leader knowing Hager has the dirt on her. Either that or she has no fear of what Hager has on her because she has little to hide.

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          • Duker

             /  15th July 2020

            She may have forgotten the details , you sort of assume an omnipotence of Collins which she most certainly doesn’t have. If the party vote falls even further..she’ll only know if she tries it out.
            Other MPs know what shes like already, thats why she was 3rd or 4th on previous runs. They had no choice this time, even the cadres like Kaye, Bishop, Willis and co had no choice either as their star crashed and burned.

            Just as the words “I cant breathe” came to be very powerful, Collins own words ‘unleashed’ may be the same , but not good for her.

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        • Duker

           /  15th July 2020

          You keep mis -understanding what Dirty Politics was .
          It was the political party hiding their involvement in smear jobs from bloggers… not your self of course but the usual suspects, Whaleoil, Kiwiblog, cactus kate , Keeping Stock , Busted Blonde etc.
          Hager did his own book and his own research without a political party pulling his strings from behind a curtain.
          Collins has just released her own book telling her version of events , shouldnt a different version from her words at the time be public too.
          The voters can evaluate the two , and judge Collins ‘authenticity.’
          Just as the voters have been able to judge Hamish Walker authenticity while he leaked information, again behind the curtain. Everyone found him wanting and effectively he was kicked out of the party if he didnt jump. Those events wasnt the only one , but a contributor to the breakdown that Muller had. Compare when Woodhouse personally made public the the leaks he had, his name wasnt hidden.

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          • I don’t misunderstand what Dirty Politics was and what dirty politics is.

            What Hager busted was the worst of it, but it was by no means limited to them and to the National Party. Dirty politics is clearly rampant still across social media. Blogs have lost their importance, but other media are used a lot. The immediate reaction to Collins becoming leader on Twitter shows that dirty politics is far from confined to one party.

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  4. Watch this space – Collins says she won’t commit to a role for Woodhouse until she has all the facts about him and the Boag emails.

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    • Duker

       /  15th July 2020

      So all the facts werent revealed last week ?
      No wonder it drove Muller to a breakdown when you have a party that works to cover up

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      • Collins said she wasn’t in the loop with that last week, that’s all. She wants to find out for herself what the facts are. All pertinent facts may have been revealed, they may not have been, but at this stage she simply says she doesn’t know and will find out.

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        • Duker

           /  15th July 2020

          yes, shes in the clear herself. But it must worry her that there could be some peoples actions, rather than assisting Muller, contributed to his breakdown.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  15th July 2020

        That’s just silly. Obviously Collins wasn’t privy to what was communicated between Muller and Woodhouse and has to sort that. The “party” wasn’t organising any cover up. Individuals were acting independently and unwisely within it. Muller obviously had his own demons together with inexperience and shortcomings which made his demise inevitable.

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  6. Gezza

     /  15th July 2020

    After being a consistent media & poll preference for National leader for years, but with a reputation for being too hard, uncompromising, & too polarising for too many in the electorate beyond the party faithful, Collins finally gets the leadership, in a crisis, really by default instead of by competition.

    The way things have been going for National it looks like she was the only choice because the Muller experiment has been a complete failure & with the election looming the now rather shell-shocked & dishevelled-looking caucus needed someone to grab it by the scruff of the neck & try to knock it into some kind of shape asap.

    With Browlee as Deputy it seems they’ve gone for experience & bullishness over any other consideration, in the absence of time for more internal reflection & role-wrangling.

    What happens to Woodhouse will be interesting. At least Collins is likely to be swift & decisive, & I can’t see there being anyone seriously wanting to challenge or undermine her now. She handles media well & unlike Muller has a sense of humour which she employs well when dealing with them.

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    • She frequently laughs off tough or touchy questions, which is usually an effective way of diverting.

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    • Corky

       /  15th July 2020

      ”At least Collins is likely to be swift & decisive”

      Yep, she has already had a quick word with Simon to see if he may want a more challenging roll.

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      • Blazer

         /  15th July 2020

        I’ll go with Bill English’s appraisal…’vastly over rates ..herself’.

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        • Gerrit

           /  15th July 2020

          You got a link to verify the correctness and context of that quote?

          Or is it in your fertile imagination and not bound in fact?

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          • Blazer

             /  15th July 2020

            here’s an ‘entree’..will find the quote for you later.

            by Roger Brooking January 05, 2017
            ‘In many respects, Judith Collins has been the worst Minister of Justice and Corrections New Zealand has ever had. She had to go – even if that changes absolutely nothing about how the country deals with the drivers of crime or the growing prison population. And it won’t.

            The Corrections Department puts out a monthly magazine called, guess what – Corrections Works. This pithy little propaganda sheet provides a pat on the back to any Corrections staff who perform up to expectations or do anything reasonably well in the previous month. The magazine also contains a monthly Message from the Minister, in which – just before Bill English gave her the push – Collins confesses that under her control, Corrections hasn’t been working at all.’

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  15th July 2020

              If you think Corrections was ever working you are seriously deluded.

        • Jack

           /  15th July 2020

          Your sort would.
          In the realm of spirit, one gets the impression of clear and clearing air, greatly less tainted optimism (comparing with Jacinda) and a woman who gains the respect of real men.
          Blazer’s the sort who puts down women when they reveal his lacking.
          Yes, go Judith.

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        • Gezza

           /  15th July 2020

          Well, whether he said that or not, Collins now has the leader’s job at last. It ends years of speculation over whether she’d ever get it. And whether she over-rates herself is now of no relevance compared to how the electorate in general rates her – from now until election day.

          Although the most recent couple of published polls are now probably irrelevant.

          I wonder how she’ll fare when coaltion negotiations begin? We’ve yet to see how & whether Collins differs much as leader from Collins as Minister. She can be tactically & tactfully diplomatic when required.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  15th July 2020

            I think she has learnt from her past and will be more rounded and nuanced than is being predicted. At least she has a working brain which puts her above the last two in my estimation.

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            • Duker

               /  15th July 2020

              Working brain? Doesnt seem to have used it to her best advantage previously- imagine getting a taxpayer funded trip to China and on the side promoting her husbands business interests- and its only now because the party is in total disarray that she has a chance. Smart thinking or desperate?
              A warning from Cunliffe who wasnt liked by fellow Mps either and didnt enjoy their confidence, but the party base thought otherwise.
              History shows she will face the same gale force headwinds as any opposition leader and is just as likely to be blown sideways or backwards

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  15th July 2020

              You “overlook” the relevant details – she says she got Key’s ok for the meeting with the Chinese and she was elected by her fellow MPs and Cunliffe wasn’t.

              Leading the opposition election campaign is very different from sitting there during the term and will play to her strengths.

            • Duker

               /  15th July 2020

              Keys OK ? For the China trip , not for the ‘off tour activities’
              The Chinese trip was a stitch up to start with , she was to give a speech about ‘Combating Corruption’ or similar blather , which must have the Chinese in stitches.
              By coincidence she had parallel visits for a little company called Oravida, a generous donor. Remember the ‘reason’ for one event, ‘it was on the way to the airport’…
              https://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/timeline-judith-collins-and-oravida-2014050512

              2011 – Oravida donates $56,600 to National Party.

              October 2013 – Judith Collins opens Oravida’s new Auckland headquarters.
              October 20, 2013 – Collins has dinner with Oravida bosses Stone Shi and Julia Xu, along with a senior Chinese border official in Beijing, China, while on a tax-funded trip. She claims it was a “personal dinner” and that no business was discussed.
              October 23, 2014 – Collins visits Oravida’s Shanghai offices “on the way to the airport”.
              December 23, 2013 – Oravida makes a $30,000 donation to the National Party.
              March 4, 2014 – Collins denies dinner was a conflict of interest.
              March 12, 2014 – Collins admits she had dinner with Oravida bosses, but calls suggestions she should resign “ridiculous”. She is put on her last warning by Prime Minister John Key.
              March 18, 2014 – Despite Collins’ claims she visited the Oravida offices in Shanghai “for a cup of tea on the way to the airport”, it is revealed the company’s offices are 30km in the opposite direction.
              April 15, 2014 – 3 News reveals Oravida requested help from the Government on Chinese border control issues just weeks before Collins’ dinner.
              April 17, 2014 – Winston Peters alleges the Chinese official present at the Beijing dinner represented the agency that decides whether imported food products are safe.
              May 2, 2014 – There are calls for Collins to resign, following the resignation of MP Maurice Williamson for interfering in a police case involving wealthy Chinese businessman Dongua Liu.
              May 4, 2014 – Accusing the media of forcing MP Maurice Williamson to resign his ministerial portfolios, Collins takes a swing at TVNZ journalist Katie Bradford, saying the media should be open to the same scrutiny as politicians.
              May 5, 2014 – Collins apologises for attack on Bradford, denies her comment that she could have “recall on all sorts of things” about journalists is a threat.

              5min work can throw a spanner in your claims…wait till the professionals start on her discredited accounts

            • Collins is right, the media should be open to similar scrutiny to politicians.

              A common means of practicing dirty politics is to keep dredging up cherry picked stuff from the past when it has little relevance to the current situation. Trying to discredit and to destroy careers for partisan purposes is one of the dirtiest aspects of politics.

              All those who have been politicians for a long time have things they can be criticised for. Ardern was often dumped on due to her links to international socialists, but that was before she became an MP and has no relevance to her performance as Prime Minister.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  15th July 2020

              B.s. Duker. Orivida is her husband’s company. Of course she interacts with it as any spouse would. Her book contradicts your claim that she did not have Key’s ok to meet with the Chinese.

            • Duker

               /  15th July 2020

              Who says its ‘dirty politics’ to dredge stuff up from the past. thats ordinary politics/as usual.
              So we arent allowed to know about a politicians previous actions ?

              You would have nothing to write about Winston Peters beyond the last 2 years then ? No, I didnt think that make sense either.

              Dirty Politics is running smears /false information and hiding the politicians names behind other media actors. The last week was a classic example.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  15th July 2020

              Dirty Politics is stealing private emails and selectively publishing them at strategic times to discredit your political opponents. Hager specialises in that.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  15th July 2020

            Her election will have collapsed the ACT vote so they will have to do a serious rethink.

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            • Jack

               /  15th July 2020

              Not necessarily. Am I remembering correctly – Judith swiped at the legal gun owners, telling them to stop fussing?
              Like any leader with balls and compassion combined, Judith needs to beware the wokeness which awakes in herself for political expediency.

            • Duker

               /  15th July 2020

              “Judith Collins tells US lobby group NRA to ‘bugger off’ over New Zealand gun reform”
              https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111484260/judith-collins-tells-nra-to-bugger-off-over-new-zealand-gun-reform

              She tried to bring in her own gun laws as Minister of Police
              “Collins said that when she sought to introduce gun law reforms during her two stints as police minister, she was inundated by lobbying from a small, vocal and passionate group of lobbyists from New Zealand’s gun industry.”
              Collins said she fully supports the Government’s move to ban semi-automatic weapons with magazines that hold more than five rounds, and urged the Government to go further by introducing a gun registry.

              The ACT support for the gun lobby last year boosted them to 1.5% the further rise this year has been because of the collapse of National

            • Corky

               /  15th July 2020

              That means Judith will have to modify her stance on gun legislation. National is probably going to be in coalition with ACT should they win the election. Firearms expert, Nicole McKee, is No3 on ACT’s list. She also seems like a sheila not to be messed with. Probably the best ACT can now hope for is 3 members in parliament. The thing I can’t account for and talk back is picking up, is the professional urban liberal set. While most of their votes are going to the ’empathetic one.’ I’m surprised at the number who say they are their friends are voting ACT.

              I have now upgraded my prediction of National winning the election from slim to none; to a small chance. Go, Judith!

          • Duker

             /  15th July 2020

            “She also says that she had had the permission of Key to hold meetings with Chinese officials to discuss problems with meat exports during a visit to China” from the book.

            Seems a rather informal way to do it …a chat in Koru lounge with the only witness HER private secretary ?
            Ministers normally submit a formal application the PMO for approval for non private overseas trip with itinerary and purpose etc.
            Doesnt pass the sniff test
            Anyway what does meat exports have to do with her job as Minister of Justice, we have a trade minister and or diplomats for that.
            I bet she never put in her approved intinery the whole Oravida connection to the meat exports and the other functions she graced with her presence in front of government officials’

            Even Key said at the time she had bullshitted him …a major sin to committ against the party leader.
            let me refresh your memory, and no Collins self serving book
            “Prime Minister John Key has signalled Justice Minister Judith Collins is on her final warning after she withheld details of a dinner in China with a company linked to her husband.
            The dinner was with senior members of Oravida, a company that deals with New Zealand dairy products, and a senior Chinese government official. Collins’ husband David Wong-Tung is a director of the company.
            Key met Collins this morning to express his disappointment that she did not come clean when questions were first raised about her visiting Oravida offices during her official visit to China last year.
            Key said the cumulative effects of her interactions with Oravida could lead to a perception of a conflict of interest.
            “I made clear to her in no uncertain terms how disappointed I was,”
            http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9818950/Judith-Collins-comes-clean-about-dinner
            a follow up comment from me via a separate Official OIA documents shows she didnt tell the truth about it being informal either , after this one

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            • Duker

               /  15th July 2020

              Heres the Embassy documents saying the dinner was under official auspices and wasnt so much about all exporters but Oravida in particular. A clear conflict when her husband, a former police officer, was a director of export company.

              Meeting Brief: Oravida

              Date and Time
              23 October 1530-1630
              Event
              Visit and Tour of Oravida Facilities
              Purpose / objective
              To increase the profile of a successful importer and distributor of New Zealand products into China
              Agenda items / event outline
              1445 Depart Bureau of Justice for Oravida Offices
              1530 Arrive at Office
              Met by Oravida Management
              Visit and tour of Oravida facilities
              Afternoon tea / chance to meet management and employees
              1630 Depart for Pudong International Airport
              Background of organization / institution
              Oravida New Zealand Ltd. is a wholly owned subsidiary of Oravida Ltd., a diversified company which owns a number of businesses in different sectors. The company is owned by Mr Deyi (Stone ) Shi and has two directors, Julia Xu and David Wong-Tung.

              […]

              Attendees

              Chinese side to be confirmed

              New Zealand
              Minister
              Ambassador
              Consul-General
              Malcolm
              Macintosh

              Click to access MFAT%20Collins%20OIA%20release%20tranche%202.pdf


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              https://thestandard.org.nz/polity-even-more-new-damning-evidence-on-collins/

              She was telling parliament , they had some ‘free time’ , the Embassy records show it was pre planned.
              “I was being driven around and I was assured by the ambassador that we could pop into Oravida on the way to the airport, or else I could have gone to the airport and I could have sat in the lounge for an extra long time.”
              Utter utter Bullshit from Collins.
              No wonder she was called Minister for Oravida at the time , she was in China as Minister of Justice for a conference of Preventing Corruption or something similar..and the ‘meat exports was soley about Oravidas issues

  7. PartisanZ

     /  15th July 2020

    It can’t end well. What’s Judith gonna do? Play DIRTIER!?

    It’s National’s post-colonial ‘Rourke’s Drift’ … and the BlueCoats ain’t gonna win this time.

    The stampeding Natural Ethics will easily overrun them. ETHICAL CLEANSING.

    This morning’s Breakfast TV is certainly establishing the Narrative though. Lot’s of supposedly unbiased and transparently biased supporters of Collins, some in ‘Expert’s’ clothing, with Haley Holt mouthing whatever someone in the Control Room is telling her to say as National supporter … “I’m really excited!” …

    Well of course you are Haley, your job is secure for a while longer depending on how much you can polarize the issues and particularly the ‘Personalities’ …

    Second only to Death Rate & Death Toll …

    The looks passing, snide remarks and subtext going on between John, Jenny-May, Haley and Matt is worth watching all by itself, as a kind of Soap Opera … NZ REALTY TV … Big Brother … ‘The News Anchors’ … aka ‘ADRIFT IN SCHEMEDIA’ …

    I predict Judith and Gerry … The [Deleted] Show … will preside over the ultimate demise of the National Party … just as it was born in hasty Farmocratic Fortocracy desperation in 1936 after the ‘revolutionary’ election of First Labour, so shall they perish in equally desperate nastiness.

    Yes … as Corky says, “Go Judith!” … GO …. DO … GO! … BE GONE!

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    • PartisanZ

       /  15th July 2020

      PS – I suppose she could “Play it Clean”?

      In other words: “She can play it just like Labour.”

      Would that win votes?

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      • Corky

         /  15th July 2020

        We don’t want JC playing it clean. She was picked for a reason….to thrash Jacinda and her woke hypocritical ( David Clark for example) band of merry socialists.

        We want a clear demarcation of philosophy:

        1- Reality v Woke.
        2- Peoples rights v Gay rights.
        3- Waiting lists based on need v Maori being bumped up the list.
        4- Education v Indoctrination ( eg Climate scamming, recycling and gay rights)
        5- Growing the economy v taxing the economy.
        6- Hating criminals v hugging criminals.
        7- Disliking ferals v supporting ferals

        Whether it’s this election or next, we want Labour destroyed for 20 years.

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        • We?

          I want Collins to play it clean, fair and strongly. I think that’s her best way of bettering Ardern.

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          • Corky

             /  15th July 2020

            My apologises. Most people on the right.. You are absolved.

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            • Speak for yourself, “people on the right” is a fairly wide ranging umbrella that will have many and varied opinions.

            • I don’t believe that most people on the right are in favour of dirty politics; what an insult.

              I see no reason for gay people not to have the same rights as straights; why should they be legally discriminated against ? They are citizens and taxpayers like the rest of us.

              Hating criminals is pointless; we want to reform them if possible, not make sure that they keep on with a life of crime.

              Why on earth would anyone nowadays be opposed to recycling rather than filling up rubbish dumps ? I don’t believe that most people on the right are in favour of waste; use something once and throw it away.

            • Corky

               /  15th July 2020

              Yes, varied opinions. But the bedrock is as I have written above.

        • They are your opinions, not ‘most people on the right’s opinions.’

          Some of them are valid, but most people don’t dismiss others as feral, i.e. wild animals, want discrimination against gays and want an end to recycling, I hope.

          A friend who did 7 years in Australia for bank robbery and decided that it was a mug’s game went straight and has stayed straight, he is now a valued and respected citizen. Hating him would be stupid. Bank robbery is a terrible crime, but if someone does their time and makes no excuses for the crime, the past should be the past. People know about what he did, but as it was decades ago it makes no difference.

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  8. Gerrit

     /  15th July 2020

    I find it most interesting the vitriol from left wing supporters against Collins. Not just here but on the left wing blogs in particular.

    One even unleashed the beast, in having Hager to regurgitate how his book should be read by all to expose Collins as the devil incarnate.

    Very enjoyable to see the vilification of Collins by the left for it shows they must be worried for if she is as un-electable as they suggest, why bother with the character assassination and mud raking up the past. Surely the lefts insoluble belief that Ardern will be re-elected would cause no concern in regards Collins as National party leader?

    Where is the lefts faith?

    Newshub poll showed a 50/50 split between Collins and Ardern. So perhaps they are losing a bit of faith?

    https://discover.apester.com/media/5f0e0d62877c0eb2f99e114d?src=link .

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    • PartisanZ

       /  15th July 2020

      I have tremendous faith in Collins to completely scuttle National’s Shi* of Straite and send it to Davy-Bob Jones Locker …

      I still predict August 6th as their day of Mass Resignation … (an appropriate term for a *Broad-Church* too!) …

      They started in ’36 from feeling Insulted … Let them perish in 2020 with an insulting …

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    • Jack

       /  15th July 2020

      The left’s faith is in one cult like character.
      The right have faith too and it always involves team work.
      There’s no shame in hiccups when enough honest people are working and fronting as a team.
      The right are less afraid of criticism and don’t need one figure to follow. Those involved in Right are a team of enough individual leaders where no one ego gets all the glory.
      Jacinda’s glory is a shame for Kiwis, nothing to be proud of. I felt the same way about Key. Pride before a fall works as collective too. Jacinda will be a big fall if Kiwis continue to boost her cult. Mr Muller was wise, admirable. I’d like to see Jacinda take a leaf from his spiritual book.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  15th July 2020

        Oh Lord Jack … Are you seriously saying the intention is NOT to spin-spam, scam-spone Judith Collins into a cult-like character!!!?

        They’ve picked the wrong side-kick though eh? … Terrible choice Brownlee …

        Mitchell would have been better … They’d have maybe gone down sooner … for the GOOD of us all …

        Jude & Jerry become the Judildo Show … “Puncture & Judy” …

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        • Jack

           /  15th July 2020

          The thing about cult like characters is that those who aren’t prove it when the ‘looove’ gets unreasonable/sickening/unfactual/unscientific.
          Jacinda can only prove that she’s not cultish by stepping down now.
          Judith has just begun. Too early to judge.

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    • Duker

       /  15th July 2020

      “why bother with the character assassination and mud raking up the past.”

      Collins released a book 2 weeks back…character assassination on Key, Bennett, Justice Binney etc etc.
      Dredged up the past…buts Ok when she does it and made false claims about being cleared on Hagers claims , when he correctly pointed out the SFO allegations didnt appear in his book.
      Judith bad luck strikes again as 2 weeks after her book about the past is released she is ‘elected’ ( or hospital pass) leader of national and wants to ignore her past

      Karma is a ….

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      • Gerrit

         /  15th July 2020

        You are quoting out of context.

        “…by the left for it shows they must be worried for if she is as un-electable as they suggest, why bother with the character assassination and mud raking up the past.”

        If you are not worried that Collins will get elected as PM why the “character assassination and mud raking up the past.”?

        Or are you worried and hence the “character assassination and mud raking up the past.”?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  15th July 2020

        Rubbish. She isn’t ignoring the past or living in it like you. She is learning from it to do better.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  15th July 2020

        A fictional-biography attempt to humanize herself … and distance herself from the Key Pone-Cops …

        I can’t see it working.

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  9. duperez

     /  15th July 2020

    Some references are on here to Hager.

    “In recent days an incorrect story has been repeated in the news about how Judith Collins had to resign after the book Dirty Politics was published but was later exonerated and returned to Cabinet. In the interests of accuracy, it is worth correcting this misunderstanding.

    Anyone can check the chapter about Collins in Dirty Politics. It shows a pettiness and meanness, as she sent snippets of gossip and dirt to Cameron Slater and helped him to attack people on his blog — including details of a public servant who was then strongly attacked on Slater’s blog, including receiving death threats. The chapter recounts where she recommended to Slater about some National Party internal politics: “Personally I would be out for total destruction… But then I’ve learned to give is better than to receive.” She called it the “double” rule: “always reward with Double”; and said “If you can’t be loved, then best to be feared.”

    These are the sorts of things that were revealed about Collins in Dirty Politics. On none of them was she investigated and exonerated. It would be incorrect to allow this misunderstanding to continue”

    Part of: https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2020/07/15/judith-collins-and-the-book-dirty-politics-nicky-hager/

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    • This is al of it from Hager: Press advisory on Judith Collins and the book Dirty Politics

      https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2007/S00190/press-advisory-on-judith-collins-and-the-book-dirty-politics.htm

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      • Duker

         /  15th July 2020

        Also Collins released her own book a week or so back ..dredging up all sorts of old stuff. ( Including the long forgotten Bain/Binney conflict she was involved in..yawn)

        Surely you would agree if Collins can bring up ‘old stuff’ so can anybody else, especially as she seems to be making some incorrect claims in her book …still.
        So no more talk of dredging up old stuiff is dirty politics. Its indeed politics as usual.
        I bet she didnt think she would be opposition leader so soon after the book release. Then again Judith was never good at timing

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        • You can dredge up piles of old stuff if you like. You can write a book about it if you like. But doing so your chances of influencing anyone here are pretty slim.

          “So no more talk of dredging up old stuiff is dirty politics. Its indeed politics as usual.”

          I can talk about what I think is dirty politics here if I feel like it. That’s how I see what you’re doing, discrediting to an audience that doesn’t care about it other than not wanting to be bombarded with an ongoing dirty agenda.

          You seem to want no opposition to your preferred politics. I see that as a dangerous state of politics.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  15th July 2020

        I doubt this will get much traction despite Hager’s efforts at relevance and destructiveness.

        Voters will be more concerned with current problems.

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    • Jack

       /  15th July 2020

      Pettiness – hmm. The usual gripe against a woman who knows her own mind within the halls of power and desires to serve for the good of all.
      Pettiness – hmm. Probably is the reason, in reverse, why Judith has not been leader before now.
      Women think differently than men – thank goodness!

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      • Duker

         /  15th July 2020

        [deleted, don’t make unsupported vague accusations (a form of dirty politics), either prove what you claim or don’t do it]
        Oh dear.
        [deleted]…and its only day one.
        Sure your’re an acolyte of the Judith , lady of perpetual sorrows but dont bring your half clue nonsense here.

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        • “dont bring your half clue nonsense here.”

          That’s not your call here. And you’re at risk of being seen as somewhat ironic or hypocritical.

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          • Duker

             /  15th July 2020

            The evidence is in my other comments
            Example
            1)”Despite Collins’ claims she visited the Oravida offices in Shanghai “for a cup of tea on the way to the airport”, it is revealed the company’s offices are 30km in the opposite direction.
            2)The Embassy agenda for the so called accidental meeting
            3)”Prime Minister John Key has signalled Justice Minister Judith Collins is on her final warning after she withheld details of a dinner in China with a company linked to her husband.”

            All are traced back to false claims by Collins
            and to top it up the Scoop link to Hagers statement
            ” Judith Collins was soon saying that she had been cleared of all allegations in the book Dirty Politics. But neither the new email nor anything about a smear campaign against the SFO head appear in the Dirty Politics book.”
            Another false claim by Collins.
            She can say whatever she likes in her book about her past . Others can also check back with good sources from the time which show a different story to the one she told.
            Dont know why accurate and referenced comments about Ms Collins are policed yet all sorts of silly nonsense about her prowess goes unchallenged.
            eg this A grade nonsense
            “Jacinda’s glory is a shame for Kiwis, nothing to be proud of. I felt the same way about Key. Pride before a fall works as collective too. Jacinda will be a big fall if Kiwis continue to boost her cult.”
            Someones got to challenge it ( and hopefully send back to BYD where it belongs)

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            • Dont know why accurate and referenced comments about Ms Collins are policed yet all sorts of silly nonsense about her prowess goes unchallenged.

              Is that a serious claim?

            • Duker

               /  15th July 2020

              I gave an example…. none of the regular commentators say anything like that complete nonsense.

              And regarding the part deleted about throwing under a bus …. it came from your post and a section quoted.
              “She makes it clear Key betrayed her, putting optics before her career. “He threw me well and truly under the bus, and that’s what I’ve said in the book,” she says.
              https://yournz.org/2020/06/28/judith-collins-memoir/
              and this last comment
              ‘ She looks very relaxed and enjoying getting her story out.”
              Her story is allowed , anyone else dredging it all up is cherry picking playing dirty politics. Doesnt make sense to see it that way.
              But however Im enjoying telling the way it was seen at the time and the evidence to support it.

            • “She looks very relaxed and enjoying getting her story out.”

              What’s your problem with that exactly? Do you disagree with how she looked?

              I’m sure there’s a picture or video of her somewhere in the past looking tense and not enjoying herself, but that’s not relevant to a simple observation at a recent time.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  15th July 2020

            Hager’s books are full of insinuated smears designed to avoid legal accountability. He will always be able to claim his targets have not been absolved since his slanders are rarely explicit. Collins was explicitly accused, demoted and then cleared. Moreover Slater admitted he misrepresented her involvement.

            As I have often noted, the Left insist the Right is evil while the Right believe the Left is merely ignorant. Duker exemplifies this.

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            • Former minister Judith Collins says she feels vindicated after being cleared of allegations she was involved in a smear campaign against former Serious Fraud Office (SFO) chief executive Adam Feeley.

              In a report released today, Justice Lester Chisholm found there were “efforts” to undermine Feeley by two separate groups, but there was no evidence to suggest Collins was part of that.

              The first group was made up of some current and some former staff of the SFO, the report said. A second group comprised right-wing bloggers Cameron Slater and Cathy Odgers, and lobbyist Carrick Graham, with Slater taking the leading role in that group.

              “Except for her association with Mr Slater, Ms Collins was not involved in the activities of these groups,” the report finds.

              Slater was still a “family friend” though she stopped short of calling him a personal friend, as she had done in the past. She said she felt “incredibly let down” by him.

              “I was devastated that this email had been sent between people and my name had been used. I had no knowledge of it until the morning I resigned.”

              In his report, Justice Chisholm said: “Taken at face value, the email of 5 October 2011 sent by Mr Slater, coupled with similar emails sent by him, is capable of constituting evidence that Ms Collins undermined or attempted to undermine Mr Feeley.

              “However, such evidence is incompatible with the remaining evidence before the inquiry and is unreliable.”

              Justice Chisholm said the implication Collins was involved was “untenable”.

              “On occasions Ms Collins discussed Mr Feeley with Mr Slater, and thereby provided information to Mr Slater,” the report said.

              “This was not, however, information which Mr Slater was not entitled to receive.

              “There is no evidence that Ms Collins inappropriately sought or received information about Mr Feeley from Mr Slater or any other party.”

              https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/63508530/judith-collins-cleared-of-involvement-in-sfo-smear-campaign

            • Duker

               /  15th July 2020

              “Collins was explicitly accused, demoted and then cleared. ”

              SFO incident wasnt mentioned in Hagers book, it seems to have come to light from ‘a prickly person’
              So you are blaming Hager for something that another blogger , was it Saguaro Sally or some such name, revealed.
              Strange , me thinks doth protest too much

              Also the China stuff wasnt in Hagers book and her actions then led to
              ““Prime Minister John Key has signalled Justice Minister Judith Collins is on her final warning after she withheld details of a dinner in China with a company linked to her husband.”
              What was she cleared of over that … “with- holding details”..whats the name you would call that ?
              The evidence was pretty damning and done by old fashioned journalism and work by Labour ( covered in detail be me here , if I do say so myself.)

    • Jack

       /  15th July 2020

      I posted a comment to that and it got lost. Try again – if it gets repeated, it’s not because I’m a petty guy or anything like that.

      Pettiness, hmm, the usual gripe against a woman who wishes to serve for the good of all.
      Pettiness, hmm, probably the very reason, in reverse, why Judith has not been leader before now.
      Women think differently than men thank goodness. Judith could be an excellent PM.

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      • Duker

         /  15th July 2020

        Thats better …can see your points now

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      • PartisanZ

         /  15th July 2020

        Jack … your a concept-convolution word contortionist …

        A woman who wants to serve for the good of all … a la Jacinda Ardern?

        Patriarchiness, the reason Crusher hasn’t been Leader before … and wasn’t allowed into Key’s Inner Sanctum … “Errr, yeeks, look what trickled down!” …

        “Women think differently”? Really? Tarring all women with the same brush is so 1950s! But if you must … that means Jacinda thinks differently too, doesn’t it?

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        • Jack

           /  15th July 2020

          Only men tar ourselves with the same brush. Women are too clever to do that.
          Jacinda’s make up looks different to Judith’s. Perhaps that’s all you notice. I look for the policies, ability to execute and team work. It’s a good thing in nz politics to see the errors. Since you can’t see Jacinda’s, you must be under some sort of 1950’s spell.

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