Guest Post by Jack

A while ago Pete kindly allowed me a guest post. He was willing to test the waters regarding the mine field topic of abuse and I was trying to heal. My testimony was about being abused and shunned by my beloved church.

I was thrilled and terrified to have a secular blog bloke give me some oxygen. I wrote my story, sob sob, and awaited the love. Oops, I miscalculated. I was spat on (literally – even in my state of mind, no imagination was necessary when Lurcher spat on me), misunderstood, falsely accused and the rest. I had no idea how awful Kiwis can be! I thought that only the imposter at church hated me severely. YourNZ was just another harsh lesson.

Looking back on my first guest post, it’s cringe worthy of course. Imagine spouting that all my hope is in Jesus Christ! Pete’s lot must have thought I was out of my mind.

Alan Wilkinson was thinking and sweet. Gezza immediately jumped to absurd conclusions that I was involved in some dirty doings from elsewhere. And Blazer! No imagination required there either. What is it with that dude? His mean mind sure is powerful. He cuts to the core every single time – a truly talented man! He tempted me to despair many times. How could he do that? Simple. His spirit was conquering mine, the cult creep.

So, I left and asked Pete to delete my guest post, but not before Gezza shared his ex-Catholicism confusions and others participated in a few lively religious debates. And who is Kimbo the Christian? Poor Pete! A secular blog site hey? And poor me too – I found the blogging addictive and at times too hurtful, and I was a nuisance sometimes. I needed to detox – this on top of my healing from the church kerfuffle. Then I started writing a book. Somewhere within the blogging the seed for that activity was sown and I was fed up with abuse, so I changed my writing style.

My own sister, from within my unsupportive clan, had assured me that no one, ever, will care about my uncle hurt. What she didn’t understand was that I never particularly worried about that in the first place. What I cared about was carrying my cross and, hopefully, to stop getting abused for it – hence, the change in style.

Is harassment of Christians the way of the future in our country? I both want to know, and to do my best to show a helpful way forward as we develop our Kiwi culture.

I came back to YourNZ, after thinking I never would. In between, I challenged Pete regarding YourNZ’s tagline – Free speech for those who don’t threaten free speech. This time around, it seems I have improved. How do I know? Duker, that other gallant, apparently abused me and Pete got it removed before I saw, yet I wouldn’t have cared. I know how nasty and unthinking certain comment persons are on YourNZ and I didn’t need Pete’s intervention, although I much appreciated it. Pete never treated me with kid gloves earlier! He left me to the sharks during the season when I most needed compassion and started sticking up for me when I’m OK now with the rough and tumble. What changed?

The writing of my books has cleared up for me the difference between the spiritual and the natural and the roles they play in an individual. As a secular blog here, I’m interested to know whether the Christian view is given a fair hearing and if sharks are permitted to attack vulnerable contributors. Regardless, I’d rather contribute to a secular site than to a Christian one.

My third book is the best, but not quite as I intended. None of my books are. “F your F” is short and I would value the input and feedback of Pete’s bloggers. It contains unique ideas regarding safe ways to sort out your spirit. I would ask the Lurchers and the Blazers, Dukers and Maureen’s to please not contribute – but I really don’t care. Do as you like. I do too. I have debunked Christianity and blasted my fellow Kiwi Christians.

These books are most likely not what you think. In particular, I encourage you to read the last one (“F your F”). The first two, “Haka on the Pew” and “The RA Books” are best suited to empathetic souls. The analyses on the pages of my books are as proving as any data may achieve regarding spirit as it relates to politics, because they emerged from under a difficult testimony.

It will be hilariously obvious if contributors participate here without having read my books. They truly are not what you expect. (Surprisingly) I came up with something new, just when we all thought that Church was predictable. Carrying your cross is way and above easier than not – and my books suggest that the cross is not as most Kiwis presume. In fact, I’ve proved it. Also, the opinions in there are as good a fit for a political forum as any other. If YourNZers would participate in a discussion here, this time, I promise to keep out of it!

Kitty, I’d appreciate some help with the few errors if you could find the time and feel inclined. I know they’re in there but couldn’t find them when I went over again, and again. Kind regards. Btw, I could never figure out what your PDT meant until recently when you stated it again. Yes, you’re right! Some of us could say that God is holding up the sky today and prove it, and the Phantom Down Ticker would swoop regardless. Blogging is awful in my situation. I don’t know why I bothered but, once started on something, I like to finish.

Just now the Epstein/Maxwell evil is being exposed and many victims hope for justice. I do find it difficult to sympathise with some of them. After all, it’s very gullible and vain to trust a stranger for a sudden unbidden notion that you’re being ‘found’ as a model, whatever one’s age. But it’s not sympathy a victim needs.

What if, for any reason, you suddenly found yourself abruptly ‘de-normalised’? As a person who was one moment ago normal and lively, you might shun sympathy. Then the moment you looked for understanding to journey back to normality, you would need empathy with appropriate action. A victim never makes it back to normality without empathic action from others.

It’s a myth that ‘these things’ were less talked about in past generations. At any time throughout history every safe family talks about sexual and psychological safety. A loving whanau creates a culture where honesty has an accepted place of expression whereas a mean unsafe whanau adopts violence, both physical and psychological. Nothing has changed in that regard throughout all of history and never will. All the state education in the world makes no difference and the big stories via media won’t help families change.

In a way, those larger than life stories give credence to the everyday bearable bullies ordinary people suffer – those individuals who are stronger and hold more power than yourself, regardless of how resilient you are. There are powerful people involved in Maxwell’s sect and it would be great if each one was held accountable – that would be wonderful for the world. We all know the reality will be less than ideal. The important thing for me is that evil does not remain hidden on my watch, within my own clan, and – if I ever get to serve in community as I desire, not there either.

In my experience, a victim is ‘damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t’. If he seeks understanding, individuals from the crowd expect that he will look at the situation from each of their viewpoints. As an unwitting victim of psychopaths and narcissists in the first place, he is willing to practise empathy….and he always ends up back at square one. If this goes on too long, he inevitably becomes mentally unwell. Is there sympathy from the crowd at that point? Never. And it gets worse. All those failed private relationships grow into a community attack upon the one who was kindest in the first instance. He gets labelled as a problem, as one who coerces, as one who makes a fuss over nothing… the false accusations never end. That’s when the one on the ground learns the hard way that nobody truly cares about his mental health. The boots go in. Next, come ‘accusations’ of all sorts of mental ailments, all discredited by the professionals. The victim is reduced to wishing that the experts could be his family.

Boo hoo… just another pity party? No way! I have found healing and it didn’t involve religion at all, except to ridicule and discard it. As for institutionalisation – I rejected that long ago. If my healing came from anywhere, it was delivered to me via politics. I think my books can best be described as a readable jumble of on-the-go thought processes, using secular politics to clear my head.

Please allow me to continue resetting my normality amongst Kiwis in this political forum by stating – I carry my cross – and by asking – Is Aotearoa New Zealand a safe country for Christians, now and into the future?Will (the real) Church go underground? As for the ‘reset’ for me personally, if nothing else – I’m most interested in Blazer’s response. Perhaps he’ll retire.

https://www.amazon.com/author/hakaonthepew

A quote from Tom Hunter, on 19/7/20. “One of the strange paradoxes of post-WWII NZ that has been noted by visitors, was the combination of what were regarded as very Left-wing ideas being enacted in the form of legislation and public institutions – while the population itself was quite socially conservative, even when not religious. It’s been argued that the reason things like unemployment payments, general social welfare and public health worked well was that the NZ population guarded itself from abusing them.”

I could have said exactly the same thing if I was a Tom! But I’m a Jack, and I put this challenge out to my fellow New Zealanders – After religion (for putting the brakes on abuse and misuse of resources), what? Something will fill its place. Some will argue that something is, in this moment, actively filling the place of religion. I call it ‘cult’.  As individuals, we may prefer to ignore Spirit but, in reality, Spirit will never cease to exist. There’s an elephant in the room. Our country is at a tipping point. A safe democracy happens when the majority embrace the loving Spirit. Who is it? Which god? How?

Pete, thank you. And thanks to YourNZ. I have found your site to be educational and entertaining. Especially, I enjoy YourNZ’s resident philosopher’s one liners. “We are condemned to analyse and fret.” (20/7, Alan) So true!

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35 Comments

  1. Jack

     /  21st July 2020

    Wanted to give the books to YourNZ, but the PDFs got left off. If anyone wishes, please contact jckmargaret@gmail.com. If I reckon there’s sincerity, I’ll give them.

    • MaureenW

       /  21st July 2020

      [Deleted, address the content if you like but don’t try to identify]

      • Maureen, do you really want to know ? 😀

        • MaureenW

           /  21st July 2020

          I didnt try to identify actually, I merely used one of the names this person has used when posting here in the past.

          • Jack

             /  21st July 2020

            It’s not overly intelligent that you know who I am from times past.
            The matter I presented for discussion negates that particular middle ground.
            You’re only interested in cheap pot shots of cult entertainment.
            I thought more highly than that of Kitty.

            • Jack

               /  21st July 2020

              If you’re so keen to dredge up past tickle your fancies, I recall someone like yourselves berating me for bothering Pete’s site with my Christian views, telling me that I was a nuisance to him.
              Who is disrespecting now? Can’t you accept that the site master posted this guest contribution and might be awaiting some solid, worthwhile, grown up and honest debate?

            • MaureenW

               /  21st July 2020

              Nothing has changed except for the handle you use.

            • Jack

               /  21st July 2020

              Will you accept that the site master posted this guest contribution and, regardless of how he allows victim bashing here, the author awaits an honest debate?
              Ridicule is worthwhile when it proves a valid point – when it offers an intelligent counter to absurdity.
              Accusations should be factual.

            • Jack

               /  21st July 2020

              “Nothing has changed” says Maureen.
              Wrong.
              Everything has changed.

  2. Gezza

     /  21st July 2020

    I never thought you were involved in dirty doings, Jack. I often found it difficult to understand exactly what you meant, & wanted, & got concerned that some of the things you began writing about your hurtful experiences with your church community & elders were getting potentially defamatory.

  3. lurcher1948

     /  21st July 2020

    Why bring me into your ramblings…I dont really care much for god bothers and sky fairy worshipping

    • Corky

       /  21st July 2020

      Well, Lurchy, all I can say from my point of view is: There’s only one thing worse than being talked about…😢

  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  21st July 2020

    I have never thought of myself as a philosopher, Jack, though strangely my degree has that name and I did a little study of the subject first just for fun and later to help my wife with her studies while pregnant.

    Mostly my philosophy is that a well-timed hug can heal a lot of hurt and sometimes in life there are just no words. And kindness is the most important quality.

    • So you are a PhD ?

      A serial liar once told me that her son was ‘doing’ one.. ‘That’s a degree in philosophy, dear.’
      Really ? My ex is a PhD, so I know what a PhD is and how people become PhDs. The son was getting As in all his exams. Exams for a PhD ???

      Memo to liars; be careful who you lie to, and check your facts.

      • Blazer

         /  21st July 2020

        ‘Memo to liars; be careful who you lie to’=good…advice.

        • You are very welcome. I hope that you will remember it. For example; it’s not a good idea to lie about someone to themselves; it makes the liar look very foolish as the lie can be easily refuted.

  5. NOEL

     /  21st July 2020

    Philosophy was standard high school subject in history class in my day.
    It would be years later that I realised that Maori had nailed it down.
    He aha te mea nui o te ao. He tāngata, he tāngata, he tāngata

  6. Blazer

     /  21st July 2020

    Well Jack,the world is constantly changing but human nature never does.

    If you look at yourself you will see you are a product of your environment.

    The template for the west is the ‘American Dream’ replete with all its values and all its vices.

    Nothing lasts forever.

    As far as philosophy goes I am a big fan of Alain De Botton.
    He analyses and condenses the thoughts of history’s greatest philosophers.
    Check him out on YT…brief intro..

    • Jack

       /  21st July 2020

      I got to number two.
      Waffle, very unKiwi.
      I’m not a product of my environment, but you sure are one of yours.
      Retire now?
      And before you remind me that I promised to keep out of discussions here, I changed my mind. You can never win this one B.

      • Blazer

         /  21st July 2020

        Maybe you can define ‘Kiwi’ so I can understand your use of ‘unKiwi’.

        • Jack

           /  21st July 2020

          Why are you engaging with me? It’s been made clear where my opinions and relevant facts are laid out. Very Kiwi.

          • Blazer

             /  21st July 2020

            I am engaging with you, because you are the OP and I am interested in your observations and conclusions and the rationale…..behind them.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  21st July 2020

      Puzzles me why some people are so keen on rules. I rarely see a rule without having the urge to break it.

      • Jack

         /  21st July 2020

        B lives by his master’s rules.
        Not his own master.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  21st July 2020

          I have no idea how B lives. Sometimes he says things that seem so out of character I wonder if much is a front. Since he never praises anyone I presume that’s how he himself was raised. Beyond that he keeps well hidden but perhaps strict rules were part of that and he has searched for better ones.

      • PartisanZ

         /  21st July 2020

        That’s called Pathological Anti-Authoratarianism Alan …

        It could be very dangerous … in so many situations … for yourself … and others!

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  21st July 2020

          Actually it’s enjoyable and liberating PZ. And of course i always have the choice of whether, when and how to indulge that urge and best enjoy the horror of the rule-followers.

  7. The Phantom Down Ticker (PDT) is nothing more than a play on words. ‘It’s the Phantom Raspberry Blower of Old London Town’ and so on, as the downtickers are anonymous. It was meant as a joke and people saw it as one, hence its being adopted here. It has no hidden meaning or symbolism.

    • Jack

       /  21st July 2020

      Calm down Kitty. I see it as a joke too. I’m sorry I mentioned you in my post. I had no idea it would make you tetchy.
      Tempted to ask Pete to take it away again.
      Guess I should just sit it out.

      • Blazer

         /  21st July 2020

        Sensitive,hostile and defensive today..Jack…lighten up.

      • I was not being ‘tetchy’, Jack, thank you. Nor do I need to calm down. Don’t be judgemental and attribute things to people, they tend to dislike it. It was a simple explanation; you seemed to be reading far too much into a mere wordplay.

  8. PartisanZ

     /  21st July 2020

    I call it ETHICS … specifically Ernst Frankenstein’s ‘Natural Ethics’ …

    There’s nothing mystical or supernatural about it.

    The National Party is, for instance, currently experiencing ETHICAL CLEANSING.

    I predict it will destroy them prior to the election.

    • Jack

       /  21st July 2020

      Don’t recall upholding mystical or supernatural notions. I presume you’re referring to the word ‘cult’ in my post. In my books I’ve proved the difference between natural and spiritual. Also clearly explained any overlap. No mystics nor supernatural doings involved.

  9. I’m closing commenting on this post. I haven’t got time to monitor and it’s too big a risk to allow a free for all.