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  1. Corky

     /  22nd July 2020

    Mikey is enjoying the gloves coming off between NZ1 and Labour and the Greens. Pity I can’t be around to hear his interview with James Shaw. Shaw has gone feral over Winston’s utterances, so it should be groovy times ahead for National. Given National is set to lose this election, a Labour Greens government is a blessing National should hope for. One thing Winston has right is his claim to be an anchor on the coalitions madness. Once he’s gone,
    it”s sail bikes and money trees under a Labour / Greens freak show.

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  2. Gezza

     /  22nd July 2020

    Collins was on the AM Show early this morning. She explained the sequence of events involving her before Falloon’s resignation as an MP yesterday. Personally I think there’s nothing wrong or dodgy about the way she went about this.

    Both leaders sought advice in the intervening periods about the best way to handle this matter, based on what was reported as a single incident & I think meeting with him asap on Monday was the right thing to do – as was demanding his immediate resignation when it rapidly became clear within a day that this was not a single incident.

    Of interest was her claim, when asked by Garner if she receives tip offs about misbehaviour by Labour MPs, that she does, & that yesterday, after Question Time, she told the PM she had just received one such tip off. The PM provided her with an email address, which she passed on to her source. She said that, beyond that, she did not wish to engage. Garner left it at that.

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    • duperez

       /  22nd July 2020

      Garner left it at that because Collins left it at that. Left it where she planted it.

      Meanwhile on the streets and Kiwiblog they’ll be demanding that all Labour MPs hand in their phones and computers and written diaries.

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      • Gezza

         /  22nd July 2020

        Maybe. I have no idea who it’s about, what they’re alleged to have done, or who the source is. And given the situation Collins has had to deal with it’s a very convenient development, so until anything more concrete comes to light in the media I’m not really bothered.

        Will set the media off on in a frenzy of enquiries to the PM’s office & a hunt for Parliamentary & Party gossip, which will enthuse National supporters.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  22nd July 2020

        Metaphorically speaking, National are making very good use of End of Life Choice before it becomes Law!

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    • David

       /  22nd July 2020

      Collins is handling this very well, National have been daft not promoting her previously she is a very talented woman.

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      • Blazer

         /  22nd July 2020

        I doubt whether a Labour M.P wearing a blue jersey in his electorate office is a major…offence…David,I mean ‘loaded’ David.

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  3. Gezza

     /  22nd July 2020

    Wonder if any other media will pick up Guyon Espiner’s item on this on RNZ’s website today.

    Foreign Minister Winston Peters directed Antarctica New Zealand to give two highly-prized spots on a trip to the icy continent to two women closely linked to one of South East Asia’s richest families.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/421726/winston-peters-friends-went-to-antarctica-on-taxpayer

    Sure sounds on the face of it to be something of a misuse of his office, although I doubt Peters will see anything unusual about it, & perhaps it has happened before with previous Ministers. Puts officials in an awkward position.

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    • Blazer

       /  22nd July 2020

      I wonder if they were offered citizenship as part of the….’package’….you know it makes sense.

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  4. Corky

     /  22nd July 2020

    PM has called a news conference at 11 am.

    What could it be?

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  5. Corky

     /  22nd July 2020

    Oh,dear, there’s still some sanity left in the world. Let the whining begin.

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/rugby/world-rugby-considers-banning-transgender-athletes-playing-womens

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    • Gezza

       /  22nd July 2020

      “Government minister Iain Lees-Galloway has resigned after becoming the centre of a “fairly inappropriate behaviour” allegation, 1 NEWS understands.”

      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/minister-iain-lees-galloway-resigns-after-fairly-inappropriate-behaviour-allegation

      “The Immigration Minister is the electorate MP for Palmerston North. Mr Lees-Galloway’s public Facebook page and Twitter has been deleted.

      1 NEWS will be live streaming the Prime Minister’s press conference at 11am.

      This morning, National Party leader Judith Collins claimed she received an allegation about a Labour Party MP and passed the information on to Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern.

      Ms Ardern then announced she would be holding a press conference

      The situation comes after several MPs have resigned recently, including National’s Andrew Falloon, who allegedly sent sexual images to young women.”

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    • Corky

       /  22nd July 2020

      Nice utu for National. However, I doubt Labour has a problem with a inefficient minister resigning.

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    • Kimbo

       /  22nd July 2020

      Bizarre. And the modern puritanical attitude to power structures and sex. ILG cheating on his wife is between the two of them. Ok, he is in a position of power, but he is not his mistress’s doctor or psychiatrist and they are both consenting adults.

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      • MaureenW

         /  22nd July 2020

        He is the Minister of Workplace Relations & Safety, it was a workplace relationship with a subordinate that he was involved in and I doubt that is included within his portfolio.

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        • Kimbo

           /  22nd July 2020

          Sorry, still not seeing any sackable offence. Adultery is likely morally wrong in the opinion of many, but in most cases is a private matter, not an employment one. But not in the new era where everyone is to be kept safe…including, bizarrely enough, from whom they choose to consensually sleep.

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          • MaureenW

             /  22nd July 2020

            Yes, technically you are correct about adultery being morally wrong, but it’s also wrong in the workplace. My view is that if two people who work together want to engage in an affair, one of them needs to leave – in order to eliminate workplace conflicts. Had they done so, this wouldn’t have been anyone’s business except their’s.

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            • It makes a horrible atmosphere. I once worked in a place where it was an open secret that a married woman and a divorced man were in a sexual relationship.

              In another situation it would be between the two people involved, although I think it’s (a) wrong (b) a mug’s game for the woman if she’s the one sleeping with a married man who has no intention of leaving his wife and family.

              I agree about the workplace conflicts. What if the subordinate person begins to fling their weight around or threaten blackmail ?

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  22nd July 2020

            I’m with Kimbo on this. Unless power inequalities reach the level of blackmail in consensual relationships I believe both parties should be deemed responsible for their own actions and choices.

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            • Gezza

               /  22nd July 2020

              Now there’s probably going to be a hunt to find out who the woman is. There are probably enuf clues for media to start tracking down females who once worked in his office, left, & went to work somewhere else.

            • Kimbo

               /  22nd July 2020

              Is the irony that Susan Hoffs Summers, a feminist since the 1960s makes. Back then young women fought to get authority figure like university chancellors out of their lives so they could be free of campus curfews and sleep with whomever they liked. Now current feminist theory has morphed to the point where young women are no longer fully consenting adults with agency capable of making their own choices including mistakes in their private lives, but infantilised victims needing continuous protection by others.

            • The problem is, Alan, that it can lead to all sorts of conflicts of interest.

              Miss Tress is promoted; oh, yes, we all know why that happened.

              Miss Tress is not given the promotion and threatens to make trouble for her lover.

              In this case, as it’s history, I don’t think that it’s a sackable offence. But, as a general rule, I think that sexual relationships in an office situation should never happen. One or other should ask for a transfer.

              I believe that adultery is morally wrong, but this doesn’t mean that I assume that the woman is always a victim being taken advantage of by an unscupulous man. There are many cases where it’s the other way around.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  22nd July 2020

              @Kimbo, exactly my point of view too.

              @Kitty, it is up to management to manage misbehaviour but not relationships.

  7. Another creepy prick bites the dust – good riddance, I don’t see why taxpayers need to pay the salaries of these morons.

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    • What about the woman who knew that her lover was married but still had sex with him ? Not much sisterhood there, betraying the wife.

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    • Jack

       /  22nd July 2020

      In effect, Jacinda has strongly implied that women employed in Parliament are numb skulls, not capable of taking care of themselves, in need of a nanny and not man enough to cope with the repercussions of inappropriate relationships of their own choosing. Worse – they use up valuable resources wanting us to believe they were victims.
      I can hardly watch Jacinda any more. That’s what I call creepy.

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  22nd July 2020

    DIRTY TRICKS….have begun

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    • Corky

       /  22nd July 2020

      What dirty tricks?

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      • lurcher1948

         /  22nd July 2020

        If Ms Collins is involved,its dirty tricks…simple

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        • Corky

           /  22nd July 2020

          If that’s the case you need to say something. This resignation is all wrong. It’s Collins fault.

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        • Kimbo

           /  22nd July 2020

          At best Collins leaked to the press that she had passed the info onto Ardern and it would be in the interests of their fish and chip paper sales to ask her publicly…so she could then give an answer that addressed their patsy question with sufficient honesty. Low bar for “dirty politics” if that is…dirty politics. Or shouldn’t Ardern have sacked ILG?! Personally as above I’m scratching my head, but hey, if ILG is innocent then make the case…

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          • Judith Collins gave no indication at all about what she had passed on and made no comment on her own views.

            The PM can’t have it both ways.

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            • Duker

               /  22nd July 2020

              She made it public .
              The Falloon thing was only asked of Ardern at a Press conference AFTER the NP released its announcements

            • Was it said in answer to a question ?

            • She didn’t make anything public. She said that she had been given info that she had then passed on; it was in answer to a question and no details were given. If she had said ‘No.’ it would have been a lie.

  9. MaureenW

     /  22nd July 2020

    Jacinda .. not a great fan here, but she has gone up in my expectations – actually fired someone.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  22nd July 2020

      Had to. Political imperative.

      Personally, I think the bar should be raised to the level of criminal behaviour regarding sexual relationships.

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      • Falloon may have survived as an MP if he hadn’t lied to Collins, and if there weren’t multiple recipients of multiple inappropriate contact, and if the police didn’t get involved again.

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      • MaureenW

         /  22nd July 2020

        It’s a bit of a clash with his portfolio Alan, Minister of Workplace Relations and Safety.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  22nd July 2020

          Well, yes. Should that portfolio even exist?

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          • Patzcuaro

             /  22nd July 2020

            Your it keen on workplace safety?

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            • Patzcuaro

               /  22nd July 2020

              “Not keen on”

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  22nd July 2020

              I don’t think it is the business of politicians and bureaucrats beyond normal safety requirements for everyone.

          • Duker

             /  22nd July 2020

            Workplace Safety not the business of politicians and bureaucrats
            Tell that to the dead miners at Pike River , and all those others killed or injured in forestry and many other businesses.
            Normal Safety for everyone is a clueless phrase.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  22nd July 2020

              Safety for everyone should be normal whether workplace, public or private. Which do you think don’t matter?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  22nd July 2020

              Tell that to the dead miners at Pike River , and all those others killed or injured in forestry and many other businesses.

              Worked for them, didn’t it?

            • Duker

               /  22nd July 2020

              No. The enquired found there was no enforcement of the rules.
              The mine was only interested in production,
              Self enforcement is an illusion, that’s the lesson. Your belief isn’t based on any reality from parking cars to flying helicopters ( another area of lax enforcement)
              NZ has a culture of rules don’t apply to me….we see the results in the topics this week

    • Gezza

       /  22nd July 2020

      Fired him as a Minister for an affair of some duration with a former staffer in his office who was working for one of his Ministerial agencies at the time the inapproriate relationship began.

      Didn’t fire him as an MP, but he has decided not to stand again.

      Did not want to make a moral judgement; the firing was because the employment situation could lead to questions about inappropriate use of his position & did not meet her standards for a Minister of Workplace Relations.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  22nd July 2020

        Quite. Not so obvious that “her standards” should exceed those of the
        law?

        Falloon’s lies put him in a different category even had his behaviour been lawful.

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        • Gezza

           /  22nd July 2020

          Once your PM says they no longer have confidence in you as Minister you have no option but to resign. Lange survived as an MP after his affair with his speech writer. The political & media climate here is now so charged up to pounce on indiscretions & make them daily obsessions I guess Ardern felt there was little other option & in this case the – quite likely very indirect – employment relationship provides a rationale.

          I doubt that the Minister was involved in her salary & performance management. But it could lead I guess to awkward questions about her appointment to that agency.

          Lees-Galloway should have known better. In a position like his & place like where he works, & in this day & age, something like this is always going to come out eventually.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  22nd July 2020

            Something like this is going to continue to come out regularly because in the end relationships matter more to individuals than their work.

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            • Gezza

               /  22nd July 2020

              True. Hormones & pheremones are not respecters of marital or other bonds. Affairs have always gone on between people. Probably a lot of them start with one moment of surrender & passion that then becomes addictive.

            • Jack

               /  22nd July 2020

              I agree this is crazy. Why is there such interest in the sex lives of consenting politicians?
              The wastage of resources is appalling.
              I doubt Collins would sack an MP for an affair with a consenting adult. She might make sure ‘subordinates’ are employees who are strong enough to cope in that environment. Is this woman now saying that she was coerced? As a remedy, make sure we have emotionally strong people employed in government.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  22nd July 2020

              … or marriage.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  22nd July 2020

              Darn, my comment was meant to follow Gezza’s.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  22nd July 2020

              I don’t have much time for Lees-Galloway but those I don’t like deserve the same rights and protections as those I do.

            • Alan, that comment may have been in the wrong place, but it’s blimmin funny, following on so neatly.

              I wonder how many of these affairs do end in marriage.

            • Gezza

               /  22nd July 2020

              Quite a few do. Lange’s did. Trump’s did. The main risk is if they cheated with you, might they cheat with someone else again when they get bored with you? The more attractive they or their bank balance are, the higher the risk, I guess.

            • The old saying that if they do it with you, they’ll do it to you has some truth it.

              I wonder how long Mrs Trump will hang around after he’s voted out. It wouldn’t surprise me if pressure had been brought to bear to make her stay.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  22nd July 2020

              Of course very many do which is one reason for treading lightly on private lives. Hence my belief that the bar to media involvement should be at the criminal level.

            • MaureenW

               /  22nd July 2020

              @ Al. Agree with the comment about media involvement being at the criminal level. These stories don’t warrant any pubic interest and are more painful to the innocent parties when exposed publicly.

        • I have doubts as to whether the PM’s own standards should be the deciding factor.

          Her saying that about her standards IS making a moral judgement.

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          • Gezza

             /  22nd July 2020

            She pointed out, specifically, that this wasn’t a moral judgement. It was to do with the perception that a Minister having a 12 month relationship with someone who worked for an “agency” he was the Minister in charge of could be perceived as a misuse of his position.

            That puts anyone else in that situation on notice of a similar fate – but implies that an affair with somebody not in such a situation would be dealt with differently.

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          • Gezza

             /  22nd July 2020

            I must have missed the bit where she said the affair ended some months ago. So I wonder who the third party was & why they wanted to hit Lees-Galloway?

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            • Hummm…..I wonder why ?

              I think that adultery is immoral, but also that if it’s between consenting adults it’s patronising to cast the woman as a victim. as if women were incapable of deciding these things for themselves. It absolves women of any blame, of course.

          • duperez

             /  22nd July 2020

            You’re playing semantics. Should she have said ‘our’ standards? Should she have said ‘accepted normal standards’?

            Are they moral judgements to her personal standards or to standards related to understandings of a ministerial position?

            If you don’t want the standards of the person in charge, whose standards do you want to be the deciding factor?

            Yesterday it was all Ardern v Collins, fighter against fighter, blow against blow. Today you seem to be saying that Ardern’s got to stand in the ring and be told what sort of punch to throw and when. By people like you.

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            • I am saying no such thing. Don’t put words in my mouth, it’s bad manners.

              The PM sacked him because his behaviour wasn’t up to her standards; she said so. Then she said it wasn’t a moral judgement. It sounded like one to me. I can’t comment on what she didn’t say, only on what she did say.

              The Collins/Ardern thing is irrelevant.

            • duperez

               /  22nd July 2020

              The Ardern/Collins thing is relevant. Do you want Ardern to be the boss, the Prime Minister, the Queen, the person in charge, the decision maker or not? She is the leader of the Government.

              If so, do you want her to go by her standards? Or someone else’s. Would you like her to give you a call to run things past you?

              Words in your mouth? “I have doubts as to whether the PM’s own standards should be the deciding factor.”

              People whinge about her not making decisions then whinge if she does make a decision.

            • Gezza

               /  22nd July 2020

              She was in a damned if she did; damned if she didn’t situation. Her pernnial opponents & critics would attack her for not sacking him if she didn’t – probably because she was working for him in whatever minimal way that employment relationship might have existed & been relevant.

              And as she HAS sacked him, they are attacking her for interfering in a matter that was a private one involving an affair relationship between consenting adults which should be nobody else’s business but their own.

              If you dislike Ardern it’s the perfect situation. Whichever way she went you can claim moral high ground for your criticism.

            • Gezza

               /  22nd July 2020

              * perennial

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  22nd July 2020

              As usual the moral high ground is crowded with lots of elbowing going on. That’s why I think it should not be a criteria held above criminality/dishonesty.

            • Dupe’s remarks are not worth dignifying with a response.

    • Jack

       /  22nd July 2020

      She’s gone down in my hope stakes that she might improve with experience.
      Firing someone doesn’t make the leader capable, especially when consistency is not applied.

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  10. Gerrit

     /  22nd July 2020

    Nice golden parachute Ardern gave ILG. 2 months on a back benches MP pay; $320.000

    And another three months pay after the election (non returning MP); .$480.000

    Total for doing nothing $800,000.

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    • And as the 20% pay cut still hasn’t happened, he hasn’t lost 20% of his pay any more than the PM has. If it happens, it will be so near the election that the six months duration won’t happen for anyone not reelected. Meanwhile, those who lost their jobs are going hungry and so are their children while the pay cut, said to help people affected by the lockdown, still hasn’t happened.

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    • duperez

       /  22nd July 2020

      The Herald has it that Falloon “would not receive the last two months of his salary, which as a backbench MP amounts to $163,961 a year, nor the three months’ pay afforded each departing MP post the September 19 election.”

      I’m trying to work out how you have it that three months pay for Lees-Galloway after the election (non returning MP) is $480,000 yet for Falloon it is roughly $40,000.

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      • Gerrit

         /  22nd July 2020

        My bad, Had my workouts on a yearly basis not months. Divide the $800,000 by 12.

        $66,666

        Crickey, am human after all.

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        • Blazer

           /  22nd July 2020

          As you are someone that spent alot of time in senior management ,you do not need to apologise Gerrit.

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      • Duker

         /  22nd July 2020

        Ministers arent paid at the higher ‘Minister rate’ for 3 months after election , just the Mp rate like everyone else
        Anyway he stops being a minister this month sometime

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  11. Jack

     /  22nd July 2020

    Jacinda has set a nightmarish precedence for herself with this one.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  22nd July 2020

      Yes. I suspect it is also a blowtorch that could easily be turned back on the media.

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      • Jack

         /  22nd July 2020

        These blow out fiery situations are hardly a remedy for lack of faithfulness. Self righteousness’s rise, in turn – more silly rules, more frowns intended to portray compassion – fooling too many.

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        • duperez

           /  22nd July 2020

          I’ll write to Ardern and let her know that while their polling might not show it, some are upset and concerned about her facial expressions.

          I’ll probably get a pro forma letter back from some office underling telling me to:
          a) look the other way, b) put a blindfold on, c) shut my eyes when the PM’s on d) go into another room or e) turn the TV off.

          If I get such a reply I’ll write back and tell them it would be easier if the PM wears a mask.

          Listening to the words and not being distracted might be rewarding. Then again maybe not.

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          • If you don’t like to read criticism of her….don’t read it.

            No one is under any obligation to fawn and bootlick.

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            • Duker

               /  22nd July 2020

              Yet you do so every time for ACT and that guy Seymour…a nobody compared to the ‘giants” who preceded him at Act

  12. lurcher1948

     /  22nd July 2020

    Wow over on Kiwiblog at the time of writing there were 262 posts about I L G affair and 256 posts total about Andrew Falloons dick pics to various women so in Kiwiblog posters minds a man stupidly in having sex with a staff member is far worse than a National Party sextxting??.Normal sex acts or pictures sent of body protrutions…which is more normal

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  13. Corky

     /  22nd July 2020

    Racist council confirms perceptions New Zealand is a racist country. I’m ashamed to say I’m a Kiwi. And people abuse me for not voting. Ironically, voting is the way out of the problem highlighted in this article.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/122195753/new-plymouth-councillors-vote-to-establish-mori-ward

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  14. NOEL

     /  22nd July 2020

    Gotta laugh,
    Wasn’t that long ago people were belittling the aggrieved approaching the PM.
    No it’s a third party approaching the Leader of the Opposition about a consensual relationship between two people.
    I see why people are saying we should get the popcorn out.
    https://www.interest.co.nz/news/106173/iain-lees-galloway-dismissed-prime-minister-having-consensual-affair-employee-agency-he

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    • Duker

       /  22nd July 2020

      Collins has decided to come out punching …shes going to regret it as she has far more enemies in her own caucus and very few in the media , except of course [speculation] but know who she is.
      Judith will find its different to be outside the tent , leaking against the leaders and now shes leader will find many many more doing what she used to do.

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    • duperez

       /  22nd July 2020

      Logical next steps are coming … Remember how Trump and his supporters, in Government roles and in the general public, vociferously demanded that the whistleblower about Ukraine be publicly named? The person’s information wasn’t genuine if they weren’t named even though the information proved to be correct.

      Any chance a similar campaign here? We know there was substance to the information about Lees-Galloway. In the US that didn’t stop so-called intelligent, educated people (including many with law degrees and experience) there, and Donald Trump, stipulating the person must be named.

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  15. Duker

     /  22nd July 2020

    More naming going on
    “Winston Peters has identified who he thinks is the source of the leak of his superannuation details.
    The Deputy Prime Minister spoke in the House during the general debate, naming former National press secretary Rachel Morton as the alleged source.
    Peters claimed it was an “Act-inspired hit job” and “dirty politics”.
    Peters claimed Morton heard about the details of his case because she was there when former minister Anne Tolley told Paula Bennett in a ministerial office.”
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12350174

    Who is Rachel Morton you might ask ?
    “Act leader David Seymour says he might have found “the one” – but he has to cross the political divide.
    Seymour is in a relationship with former TV3 reporter Rachel Morton – now working as senior adviser to Deputy Prime Minister Paula Bennett.” – Aug 2017
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11899308

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  16. Duker

     /  22nd July 2020

    Peters claims, as reported by Herald from what he said in Parliament

    He claimed Morton heard about the details of his case because she was there when former minister Anne Tolley told Paula Bennett in a ministerial office.
    Peters claimed Morton then told Act leader David Seymour, who she was in a relationship with, in confidence.
    Seymour then told Taxpayer Union director Jordan Williams, who told Hutt-South MP Chris Bishop’s father, John Bishop, Peters alleged.
    He said the information was then passed to Newsroom editor Tim Murphy and blogger David Farrar.
    Morton used to work for Newshub and NewstalkZB, said Peters.
    “Newshub was doing its best to protect her after David Seymour tried to get the story leaked through channels connected with Morton.
    Three Newshub journalists … looked collectively stunned when they were told they had burnt Ms Morton as a source.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12350174

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  22nd July 2020

      Reporters looked stunned when Peters spouts b.s. Who would have thought?

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      • Duker

         /  22nd July 2020

        Peters was telling the storey , he wasn’t the person talking to the journos.
        It’s such a snakepit where power and sex are commodities.
        However all the claims of denial can’t get around the clear fact there was a huge leak of explosive private information and so many in the Beehive knew .

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