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  1. duperez

     /  27th July 2020

    Good news for Crusaders rugby fans. Saturday’s loss to the Hurricanes has been wiped out.

    Christchurch notable Gerry Brownlee has determined it a rogue result so doesn’t count.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  27th July 2020

      Both teams suffering injuries.

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    • Corky

       /  27th July 2020

      And the All Star Labour Saints won’t be appealing their results. Team management said they would like the matter to go over the dead ball line and a restart called on Sept 1st :

      13 billion in wage subsidies paid out. Representing 1.7 million jobs out of 2.4 million total jobs.

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      • Duker

         /  27th July 2020

        “Meanwhile, there are now more than 18,500 people receiving the government’s special Covid-19 income relief payment.
        The 12-week payment is for people who have lost their jobs since March, because of the pandemic.
        Tiny number lost their jobs in the scheme of things.
        1.7 mill included those who couldnt go into work during the lockdown.
        All would have returned to work by now.

        “4.9 percent of the working-age population was receiving the main unemployment benefit – that has now increased to 6.4 percent.”

        Thats all ?
        Unemployment was over 9% after the mother of all budgets in the early 90s.

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    • Gezza

       /  27th July 2020

      Jami-Lee Ross hooking Advance NZ up with the New Zealand Public party is a weird & desperate move.

      https://www.newsroom.co.nz/jami-lee-ross-hitches-wagon-to-conspiracy-theorists

      He’s got a snowflake’s chance in hell of getting re-elected, & this ploy is just bizarre. Beyond desperate.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  27th July 2020

        Another lunatic in search of an asylum to run.

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      • Corky

         /  27th July 2020

        You do whatever you have to when you see the easy money slipping away. This was a crack up from the link. Nearly as crazy as Billy and Jamie:

        ”Dentith is a conspiracy theory expert.”

        The dude then goes on to show he’s not a conspiracy therory expert…whatever that is.

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        • Gezza

           /  27th July 2020

          Just a bit of journalistic shorthand. The author obviously means Dentith knows about various current conspiracy theories – more than the general public probably does.

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          • Corky

             /  27th July 2020

            That’s an interesting reply. For such a trite subject this journalistic shorthand is of no importance. But what about more serious issues when this shorthand is used to promote a supposed expert and the public has no idea this chap is no expert, but has a few more clues than the general public?

            Going back over the story, I see the clue I missed. But this also raises its own problems as to this journalists ability to be concise and to not really over exaggerate things given the quoted experts vocation in the universities hierarchy .
            ”Te Kahika’s worldview is centred on the United Nations Agenda 21/30 conspiracy theory, *Waikato University teaching fellow M. Dentith* says.”

            Dentith is a conspiracy theory expert. He told Newsroom the Agenda 21/30 theory is based on two UN sustainability platforms which have been twisted by conspiracists into a secret plot to reduce and dominate the world’s population.

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    • Kimbo

       /  27th July 2020

      SO JLR wanted to switch from being Dean Martin to Jerry Lewis?

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      • duperez

         /  27th July 2020

        When the situation and circumstances got ‘interesting’ around Ross last year, two expressions were used a fair bit, ‘mental health’ and ‘breakdown.’

        Not to make light of those situations about anyone but can there be any other words used to describe the decision making of anyone who would hook up with Billy Te Kahika and throw their stuff on his trailer?

        Te Kahika and his supporters are like the McGillicuddy Serious Party suit but they’re not joking, they are serious! For entertainment value they have Dean Martin to Jerry Lewis well beaten.😂

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      • Blazer

         /  27th July 2020

        I wouldn’t write off JLR too quickly.

        We know that National attracts plenty of talent and as formerly one of their senior M.P’s he may just decide to reveal it…at an opportune…time.

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        • Gezza

           /  27th July 2020

          If JLR had more dirt on any National MPs I suspect he would have announced it already. The main problem JLR has is nobody likes or trusts him.

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          • Blazer

             /  27th July 2020

            He is still married I believe.

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            • Gezza

               /  27th July 2020

              Ok, I’ll rephrase that. Most voters neither likenor trust him. I won’t speculate on whether his wife does as I have no idea what their personal circumstances are.

  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  27th July 2020

    Looks like continuing bad news for education and management of classroom disrupters:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/rnz/300064880/principals-unhappy-with-changes-to-physical-force-rules

    Low decile school kids will be most impacted and disadvantaged.

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  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  27th July 2020

    The jury is out on whether Little can convert criticism into reform:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/122242055/whnau-mori-torn-apart-by-family-court-report-says

    It is hard to see courts/corrections/child welfare as anything but continuous failures.

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    • Duker

       /  27th July 2020

      No . Its continuous new cases .
      Education is ‘failure’ also when you look at it the same way , after all you teach one year group and the next year have to repeat it all with another group – who learn nothing from the mistakes of last year.

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  5. Blazer

     /  27th July 2020

    this is good kiwi ingenuity at work….people like this are worth a dozen over paid ,underperforming corporate and state …managers.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/prosper/122183505/how-a-dunedin-inventor-turned-his-coffee-roaster-from-idea-into-a-1250-product

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  27th July 2020

      Yes, but risk aversion rewards the wrong people. To allow success you also have to allow failure and most of us don’t.

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      • Blazer

         /  27th July 2020

        The idea seems to be to become a successful …failure.
        So long as its alldone in the best possible taste..you may even end up with a…knighthood.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  27th July 2020

          No, the principal idea is to avoid all risk and achieve nothing while expecting everything. It is hugely popular.

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          • Blazer

             /  27th July 2020

            Wall St would agree ,they have embraced your philosophy. 🙂

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            • If this man becomes a millionaire, will he also become the greedy parasite that you condemn rich people for being ?

            • Blazer

               /  27th July 2020

              comprehension dear,comprehension.

              Initiative,excellence and merit always deserves reward.

              Entitlement, crony capitalism,oldboy network sinecures and privatisation of public assets to benefit a few does not.

          • You have slagged off people who show all those things and become rich as a result in an obvious case of meanspirited envy on your part..

            You have said that people who invest in tax havens like Switzerland should be stripped of their citizenship.

            You sneered at my stepfather who displayed initiative, excellence and merit to go from a back street in Ulster to having well over the 100 men working for him that was his initial ambition. He is not the only businessman who has been on the receiving end of your spite and envy because they were prepared to work hard, make sacrifices, take risks and reap the rewards.

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            • Blazer

               /  28th July 2020

              Do try bringing actual facts to the debate…please.

              Your unsubstantiated anecdotes are …worthless.

              How on earth do you ‘invest’ in a tax haven?

  6. Pink David

     /  27th July 2020

    How to defeat Covid in just a few easy steps.

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  7. Pink David

     /  27th July 2020

    Great example of how to break a phalanx. Students of ancient warfare are going to study Portland for years to come.

    Laser beams and all…

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    • Gezza

       /  27th July 2020

      Portland, Seattle, & Oakland. These protests have got to the point of ridiculousness. They’ve just gone on too long now to have any point except a bizarre kind of self-destructive madness. Small groups of anarchists or agitators, & some anti-Trump lefty nutters who have lost the plot. The mayors of these cities have allowed partisan politics, & their own confusion about “dialogue” with the protestors to make idiots & cowards of themselves.

      And it’s starting to turn nasty, with armed groups facing off against each other, someone shooting a protestor who approached his car, apparently carrying a rifle.

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  8. I passed the Distinction Hotel (that must be the naffest name for a hotel ever, with the possible exception of Manor Views, ex. Romantic Getaways) and couldn’t see much by way of security fencing at the side; just the usual wooden fence that wouldn’t be much of a challenge to anyone reasonably fit. Thank goodness the number of idiots who ‘escape’ is so tiny,

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  9. duperez

     /  27th July 2020

    The Sunday Herald had it “Highlanders’ drunken bender: An arrest, 4am urinating, hotel damage as rugby stars and mates party.” Stuff today has it “Highlanders say sorry after seven players go on bender in Queenstown.”

    I called the original Herald write up as “shit reporting plain and simple.” It was, it is.

    There is no evidence that the players there were on a ‘drunken bender.’ ‘Anti-social behaviour’ could be being on a drunken bender like making too much noise and disturbing other people. What are the players guilty of? Were the players the drunk ones or others there? Was being drunk the problem or the noise being made or piddling outside? Who was doing the piddling, the players of others there?

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  27th July 2020

      The players are being disciplined after the team investigation. They rented the rooms and invited “the small number” of visitors so were responsible. And for the police being called several times until the arrest.

      Not sure what you are being indignant about.

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      • duperez

         /  27th July 2020

        Are the players being disciplined for being drunk off their skulls on their drunken bender? How many were pissed off their heads?

        Are they being disciplined because they were making a racket and their guests were? I have no problems with them getting their just desserts, whatever those are, for whatever they did. I am indignant that in a totally different context than is usually talked about on here, these two media outlets seems to be practising the sort of journalism that is regularly attacked on here.

        In the initial write ups the impression created was that there were scenes of chaos and a mob out of control.

        I know of another incident involving sportspeople which was reported similarly. Independent investigation clarified what happened with claims made proving to be exaggerated and untrue. The management of the sport did not fight the lies kowtowing to the sensationalist media knowing that facts wouldn’t beat the emotion that had been created.

        The irony is that journalists from the same sensation mongering media will complain that players in that rugby playing lot are ‘unapproachable’ and media over-managed. Some hoon does something nasty or stupid and he belongs to a rugby club, he’s a headline, his sport is a headline. Some guy in a suit rips millions off people and he belongs to a golf club does his sport get the big headline?

        Get stuck into any people who create public disturbance. Get stuck into rugby players being unprofessional. If the media is going to complain about a lack of professionalism let them do it in a professional manner. If anything like that exists in journalism any more.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  27th July 2020

          Dunno, dups. Seems to me if someone is on a drunken bender, pissing in a courtyard, brawling and punching a hole in the wall when asked to leave, then finally attacking a police car – in the context of hours of annoying other guests with noise and intimidating behaviour – then refinements in assigning culpability to the hosts of the event are of minor consequence.

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  10. Griff.

     /  27th July 2020

    https://yournz.org/2020/07/07/open-forum-wednesday-250/#comments

    ROFL
    Try googling the meaning of epidemic and pandemic .
    Here because you know GOP the party of dumb .
    epidemic
    /ɛpɪˈdɛmɪk/
    noun
    a widespread occurrence of an infectious disease in a community at a particular time.
    pandemic
    /panˈdɛmɪk/
    adjective
    (of a disease) prevalent over a whole country or the world.

    Here is a new word.
    pandumbic
    The epidemic in loss in IQ of Trump of supporters between 2016 and now.

    FWIW
    July 7 world meter is now showing 993 deaths in the USA .
    Most deaths any date since June 10.
    As expected by the sane on here the death rate is beginner to spike.
    But I am sure our trumpwits can find a weekend number to gibber about .
    Or they could go back to moaning about Hillary and posting dribble about the wall and Muslims.

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    Tom Hunter / 8th July 2020
    As expected by the sane on here the death rate is beginner to spike.

    And a few days ago there were several days where it was the lowest it had been in months. Normally Griff is death on cherry-picking data but when it comes to bashing the USA and Trump anything goes.

    Readers can also entertain themselves about Griff’s ,massive powers of prediction based on MAAAATHHH here on Trump election day 2016. My faves include the following:

    3:59 – Trumpies putting money on their hero to win despite the reality for his chances.

    And then a few hours later when the terrible truth dawned..

    7:10pm
    This will cost all of you and me money .
    We have USA idiocracy.
    The dollar has fallen more than 3% against the Japanese currency.
    28m ago Australian stock market closes down 1.92%
    55m ago Japanese Nikkei plunges 900 points
    1h ago Wall Street futures hit rock bottom of -5%, Nikkei down 5.39%
    2h ago Odds of US interest rate rise slashed by 50% – Bloomberg
    2h ago ‘Bigger than Brexit’
    3h ago Mexican peso hammered
    4h ago Stocks and US dollar are tanking

    God, you can see his hair on fire from here. Yes, sports fans. When Griff has his teeth in an issue involving people and causes he hates and math it’s all go for DOOOOOOMMMMMM!

    Still hoping all those people in Houston die in the next hurricane Griff? You know, because of Trump pulling the US out of the Paris Accord.

    That’s ok. Still luv ya style.

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    Duker / 8th July 2020
    Why are the numbers rising now , and much more widely than earlier when the deaths and cases were concentrated in 6-8 states including NY

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    Pink David / 8th July 2020
    That’s a good question. A couple of options. There will be more.

    – Seasonality. The Northern US has a different flu season to southern states, 3 months separate this in a typical flu season.
    -. Northern state shuffled Covid infected patients to rest homes, Southern States did not. This is a major source of the deaths in NY etc.
    – Timing, Pacific states had Covid prior to the test, Atlantic states got it later.

    Currently, the strictest lockdowns are co-related with the most death.

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    How did this date ?
    QED
    Right wing Nut bars living in lala land .

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    • Pink David

       /  27th July 2020

      It did didn’t it?

      “Currently, the strictest lockdowns are co-related with the most death.”

      Victoria had the longest and strictest lockdown in Australia. The co-relation carries on, almost all the places with the strictest lockdowns have the most death.

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      • Duker

         /  27th July 2020

        Really, any evidence for that.
        Various countries like Belgium waited too long.

        Compare Sweden with its next door neighbours Demark and Norway combined have a fraction of laid back Sweden
        Greece also had a strong lockdown and it worked.

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        • Pink David

           /  28th July 2020

          “Really, any evidence for that.
          Various countries like Belgium waited too long.”

          Yes. It remains true that the countries with the strictest lockdowns co-relate with the highest deaths per capita. Some outliers, but there is no evidence lockdowns achieve anything

          The strongest relationship is between obesity and covid. The higher the level of obesity, the more deaths. About a 0.6 relationship, which is quite strong.

          “Compare Sweden with its next door neighbours Demark and Norway combined have a fraction of laid back Sweden”

          Do you understand the differences here? This was outlined in the interview I posted.

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      • Griff.

         /  27th July 2020

        ROFLMAO.
        It is amazingly funny that this one thinks he can make a valid fuckin point after making an arse of him self day after fucking day.

        Really…..Pink Dave is a graphic example of right wing and living in lala land .

        You can have nothing but Fucking laughter at his on going gibberingly stupid comments.

        NZ mate…. like here where we actually are NO COVID 19 AT ALL HERE IN NZ IN THE WILD.

        ZERO,zilch, nada , not happening, .

        In NZ No one at all is presently dying of Covid…. no one is even getting infected .

        NZ Less death and had the strictest lock down .
        We don’t need any lock down in NZ now because our measures already taken eliminated the virus here.

        The only cases in NZ are from those coming in from places that did not do as we did .

        Pink Dave an example of grade one right wing delusional thinking.

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        • Pink David

           /  28th July 2020

          I feel sorry for you. You cannot see the trap you are in.

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        • Pink David

           /  28th July 2020

          Just another thing you seem to have missed.

          NZ has eliminated not just Covid, but also, cold and flu. I’m surprised your achievement is not getting more headlines.

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  11. Gezza

     /  27th July 2020

    What’s Newshub up to?

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/07/newshub-reid-research-poll-voters-trust-jacinda-ardern-far-more-than-judith-collins.html

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/07/newshub-reid-research-poll-kiwis-trust-labour-more-than-national-to-run-the-economy.html

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/07/judith-collins-hits-out-at-shane-jones-avoids-talking-about-political-polls.html

    I watched a bit of it this evening. TV1 isn’t doing blatant hatchet jobs like this. Although I think Collins isn’t doing herself any favours with a lot of her remarks, which are probably not helping her cause – they’re reinforcing views that she’s nasty. If her intention is to provoke Ardern into public spats I don’t think Ardern’s going to be falling for that.

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