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  1. David

     /  28th July 2020

    Godspeed Moderna:
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/here-we-go-virus-vaccine-put-to-final-test-in-thousands-of-volunteers

    Just had my official cancellation of trip to Texas come through.

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  2. David

     /  28th July 2020

    I get people dont like Trump, sometimes he is just appalling but the constant theme that he is a danger to this that and the next thing with lets face it very little terrible outcomes is tiresome. The Covid thing lets face it no one has performed well aside from Ardern and the US death rate is no worse than many other comparable countries and if you want someone to blame start with Cuomo in NY.
    Trump has done a couple of good things that for me make his presidency, pushing through criminal justice reform which has been stuck in the legislature for decades is a good start and hopefully signals to Republicans you can do this and not get voted out. The big one, and again its a start to reform the woeful healthcare system is his executive orders to sort out the rorting of uninsured (and insured) Americans particularly those who need an epi pen or insulin. The pharmaceutical industry literally have blood on their hands, their manipulation to gouge through a cynical system where they ramp up drug prices and give insurance companies a larger rebate will now be stopped. Again its a start.
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-issues-executive-orders-to-slash-insulin-epipen-prices-end-global-freeloading

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    • Trump’s poor handling of George Floyd’s death and the ongoing race protests and violence is a major problem for the US. There are a range of reasons and agendas including opportunist anarchists involved, but Trump’s divisiveness and lack of leadership here is a significant factor in the festering and flare-ups.

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      • David

         /  28th July 2020

        There are riots, lootings, arson and skyrocketing crime rates all in Democrat run cities but that is a good reaction to Floyd’s murder, burning down a Starbucks and an Amazon Go store is fine as long as its a political tool to oust a president who is up for re election in 100 days.
        Balance occaissionaly in coverage would be refreshing.

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        • Gezza

           /  28th July 2020

          US politics has become even more hopelessly polarised under Trump, whose constant inflammatory rhetoric, chaotic & narcissistic style & political stunts like the winceable bible-waving exercise have only exacerbated the problem.

          The guy has never demonstrated an ability to unify the country & / or speak for the country. That’s the root cause of his unpopularity & the ludicrous extent to which the polarisation has increased & lost any focus but being anti-Trump.

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          • David

             /  28th July 2020

            You dont think 96% negative coverage of him has played a part ? The media were shocked when he won and they havent got over it and now feel its their duty to remove him from office and they will do anything they can to further that aim.
            They do this with every Republican President but this time its been egregious and blatant and rewarded with massive ratings. If Biden wins their business model fails which will be amusing.

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            • Patzcuaro

               /  28th July 2020

              Part of the problem with Trump is that he can’t separate himself from the Presidency, everything is taken personally. Rather rising above criticism (which is going to come you way as President), Trump gets sidetracked responding to the criticism.

            • Gezza

               /  28th July 2020

              Trump has been accusing the media of fake news since before he even won the GOP nomination, even when they were clearly accurately reporting what he did & said & could show it.

              Trump’s been deliberately making attacks on the media, chaotic management, & a constant stream of inflammatory rhetoric his trademark. It sometimes works for him but it also works against him.

              That’s a choice Trump has made. To be the narcissistic bully & bullshitter as he’s always been. He rarely focuses on policy or even seems to know much about it. His stiltedly read-out policy speeches are even regularly peppered with attacks on his opponents.

              US voters have to decide if that’s the kind of president they want for the next 4 years. A divider. That’s the kind of president the media portray him as. It’s the kind of character he is. Trying to pick out the positive things from the negative things he says & does doesn’t work with Trump.

        • Patzcuaro

           /  28th July 2020

          If the Democrats are so bad a running cities why don’t the voters elect Republicans? Is there a disconnect between Republicans and urban voters which prevents their election? There is an increasing disconnect between the Republican Party and especially Trump and women which is going to make it difficult for Republicans to be elected in urban areas.

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          • Pink David

             /  28th July 2020

            “If the Democrats are so bad a running cities why don’t the voters elect Republicans? ”

            Badly run cities are very profitable for a significant proportion of the population.

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            • Patzcuaro

               /  28th July 2020

              You mean a majority?

            • Pink David

               /  28th July 2020

              Local government operations in these cities have a certain reputation. A majority isn’t needed.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  28th July 2020

              You mean anti like the electoral college.

            • Pink David

               /  28th July 2020

              The electoral college does exactly what it was designed to do.

              That’s the US system working as intended.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  29th July 2020

              By giving each state 2 senators regardless of population size, smaller population states which are often whiter have an outsized influence on the electoral college outcome.

              It is working as intended but like the old FPP that we used to use it doesn’t necessarily have a democratic outcome.

        • duperez

           /  28th July 2020

          The riots, lootings, arson and skyrocketing crime rates are all under a Republican President I believe.

          I like Trump’s reforming the criminal justice system too. The simplification of it so that it’s one of ‘let your mates and your mates’ mates off’ is a genius move.🙃

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          • Pink David

             /  28th July 2020

            “The riots, lootings, arson and skyrocketing crime rates are all under a Republican President I believe.”

            That’s a surprise. The Watts riots occurred under which President?

            Crime rates in the US increased from, roughly, 1960 through to 1980, then have been in steady decline since.

            The prison population started a dramatic increase in 1980.

            “I like Trump’s reforming the criminal justice system too. The simplification of it so that it’s one of ‘let your mates and your mates’ mates off’ is a genius move.”

            Well, it’s more inclusive than Clinton’s let your brother off I guess.

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      • Pink David

         /  28th July 2020

        “Trump’s poor handling of George Floyd’s death and the ongoing race protests and violence is a major problem for the US. There are a range of reasons and agendas including opportunist anarchists involved, but Trump’s divisiveness and lack of leadership here is a significant factor in the festering and flare-ups.”

        Quite right. Contrast to Obama’s leadership at Ferguson riots. One simple speech from him and it all went away.

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        • Obama was underwhelming as president, but nowhere as deliberately divisive as Trump.

          But as a direct time comparison the initial Ferguson riots lasted just over two weeks, from August 9 to August 25, 2014 (they flared up again in November 2014 for just over a week on the news a Grand Jury would not indict the officer involved).

          George Floyd was killed on 25 May, so the protests are gave been going two months and are continuing.

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          • Pink David

             /  28th July 2020

            “they flared up again in November 2014 for just over a week on the news a Grand Jury would not indict the officer involved”

            Yes. This was because all the evidence was in favour of the officer. Much of the claims in the media were fabricated.

            “But as a direct time comparison the initial Ferguson riots lasted just over two weeks,”

            How many police forces were stood down during this time? Why do you think local law enforcement has effectively ceased for these two months in the areas rioting is taking place?

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    • artcroft

       /  28th July 2020

      Who knows what the hell trump was thinking when he passed Justice reform. He never mentions it, probably happened by accident. As for Prescription reform, that’s a token for the plebs. I imagine he’s privately reassured the pharma companies that it won’t happen if he gets back in.

      This is a very cynical reading but i see nothing in his past history to justify any other position.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  28th July 2020

      Whatever happens to the weather, the problem is climate change. Whatever happens in politics, the problem is Trump.

      Saves thinking I guess.

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      • Blazer

         /  28th July 2020

        Weather you agree or not ….what you think here in NZ is basically…irrelevant.

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        • Pink David

           /  28th July 2020

          “Weather you agree or not ….what you think here in NZ is basically…irrelevant.”

          I guess this is how you feel every morning. So Sad.

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      • Gezza

         /  28th July 2020

        The reason that there’s so much energy going in to attacking Trump is because he’s so constantly deliberately provocative & divisive. I agree that it’s now got to some quite ludicrous extremes, but Trump goes to equally or even more ludicrous extremes in his tweets, rallies, speeches & actions – and that’s become what getting rid of Trump is all about. Trying to get rid of the most divisive president in recent history.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  28th July 2020

          Getting rid of divisiveness by being divisive, I can see how that will work out.

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          • Gezza

             /  28th July 2020

            The place seems to me to have gone nuts. Trump’s got a lot to do with that, but so have the Democrats. That country almost seems to be imploding.

            Hard to see where it’s headed but it doesn’t look promising.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  28th July 2020

            The Dems were plotting to impeach Trump from the moment he was elected. Hard to blame him for the divisiveness, cancel culture, #metoo and BLM. But of course they do. Beats me how the Herald can run a syndicated WaPo hit piece on Trump every day, day in day out, apparently without any journalistic scruples.

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          • Gezza

             /  28th July 2020

            Well, what can you expect? It’s a complex & totally polarised political system over there now. And Trump’s been a persistently narcissistic, belligerent, bellicose, bullshitting character of limited intellectual & emotional capacity whose own teams have no idea what he’s going to do or say next.

            The problem with Trump isn’t what his policies are but who he is, how he operates, & whether he should continue in that job or whether that teetering on the insane country will end up bashing itself to mash with another four years of him.

            Trump likes to rark up his opponents & critics every waking hour & to be the centre of attention. There are downsides to that. Not the least of which is that nobody ever notices when he does something sensible, reasonable, or worthwhile because he’s so busy continually ramping up the outrage & causing more distractions.

            Sure the media is against him but he’s made it his mission to be against them. Politics at that level usually involves a bit of diplomacy. Trump’s not that kind of person. What he does works for his base but just aggravates others, often needlessly.

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    • David, a number of other places have done as well as we have, or better. Kerala, Taiwan and Vietnam have all done better without the appalling damage done by the lockdown.

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      • Blazer

         /  28th July 2020

        What language do they speak in the countries you mention?

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        • They all have English speakers, of course, but they all have their own languages, equally of course.

          They don’t have a single language any more than France, Sweden and Holland do, Asia is a continent, not a country, Kerala is a very large Indian state, but Vietnam and Taiwan are seperate countries.

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          • Blazer

             /  28th July 2020

            On most things NZ is compared with other countries with a number of similarities,way of life ,speech etc…you are reduced to cherry picking .

            Kerala FFS!

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            • What an inane, nitpicking response; what on earth does ‘speech’ (language ?) have to do with it ? Or the ‘etc’ ? We are all human beings.

              Vietnam has 95,400,000 people and 0 covid deaths thanks to their social distancing and tracing policy, They have had 431 cases, 365 recovered.

              Taiwan has 23,800,000 people, and has had 455 covid cases. They didn’t have a lockdown but did enforce social distancing, masks, temperature taking and sanitisers.

              Kerala has had 63 deaths and 20,000 cases; I think their population is about 40,000,000.

              People don’t have to be WASPs to get it right.

              Your nitpicking is childish.

    • Tom Hunter

       /  28th July 2020

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  4. Blazer

     /  28th July 2020

    Trump cannot win .
    He is a major disappointment,although most U.S presidents have been ,at least in the modern era.
    Biden is a return to ‘normal’.
    The rise and FALL of the American Empire,playing out .

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  5. Blazer

     /  28th July 2020

    no surprise here….military utility was always going to surface…nice location is Aotearoa!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300063842/rocket-lab-peter-beck-defends-spy-satellite-work-exdirector-speaks-of-leaving

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  6. Patzcuaro

     /  28th July 2020

    Life is not fair.

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  7. Patzcuaro

     /  28th July 2020

    Only in the US, Trump voters who don’t want to wear masks.

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    • Pink David

       /  28th July 2020

      Did you find some Nazi’s? Or are they just trying to make a point badly?

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  8. Corky

     /  28th July 2020

    Here’s one for Lurchy. Some call the Porsche 911 Turbo S the best all round supercar in the world. I agree. Here we have this beast on the autobahn sitting at over 320 km/h. No histrionics, not misfiring and popping and no stability issues. Just precise German engineering.

    I had the misfortune to have been in an early model of this car speeding at over 260km/h. A death trap would be an understatement. What’s changed since then? Electronics , computers and engineering progression. These cars are soon to become history. How sad to never have owned one.

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  9. Blazer

     /  28th July 2020

    flashback…

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