Open Forum Friday

This post is open to anyone to comment on any topic that isn’t spam, illegal or offensive. All Your NZ posts are open but this one is for you to raise topics that interest you, or you think may interest others.. 

If providing opinions on or summaries of other information also provide a link to that information. Bloggers are welcome to summarise and link to their posts. Comments worth more exposure may be repeated as posts. Comments from other forums can be repeated here, cut and paste is fine.

Your NZ is a mostly political and social issues blog but not limited to that, and views from anywhere on the political spectrum are welcome. Some ground rules:

  • If possible support arguments, news, points or opinions with links to sources and facts.
  • Please don’t post anything illegal, potentially defamatory or abusive.

FIRST TIME COMMENTERS: Due to abuse by a few, first comments under any ID will park in moderation until released (as soon as possible but it can sometimes take a while).

Sometimes comments will go into moderation or spam automatically due to mistyped ID, too many links (>4), or trigger text or other at risk criteria. If they pass muster they will be released as soon as possible (it can sometimes take hours).

Leave a comment

66 Comments

  1. artcroft

     /  31st July 2020

    [Deleted, use proper names] has suggested the US elections be delayed until a more auspicious time. Apparently it’s he believes it’s safe to work, go to school; but not safe to vote, or stay in prison (if you are a friend of Trump). Sickening.

    Reply
    • lurcher1948

       /  31st July 2020

      [Deleted] has tanked the USA economy,its crashing down the toilet.its a scene from the fall of the USA empire,and the barbarians China and Russia are gathering at your gates.

      Reply
      • Corky

         /  31st July 2020

        Well, jeez, Lurchy, if the barbarians are gathering at the gates of Uncle Sams empire, guess where they will be heading after the walls are breached

        Reply
  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  31st July 2020

    Jacinda flannelling while locking two young Warriors members of the Team of Five Million out of the country.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12352325

    Reply
    • Duker

       /  31st July 2020

      Warriors stuff up , took players who are on work visas not NZ residency or citizenship out of the country when they knew we had blocked 1000s who are in same boat.
      What about those players that only have Aussie passports , I think they are in more problem than they are letting on for now.

      Reply
      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  31st July 2020

        Fools with rules, duker – your bureaucracy.

        Reply
        • Duker

           /  31st July 2020

          Not at all….quarantine hotels can’t even accommodate those with citizenship or residency to come back…..airlines have had to slow bookings.
          You were the one who said at start of lockdown that border quarantine was all that was needed instead of closure of shops offices factories etc
          You clearly can’t count…
          Those with work visa can’t come back this year unless they are very high value individuals
          Arithmetic makes this happen

          Reply
  3. Blazer

     /  31st July 2020

    Looking at Nationals women in high places…

    Dame Jenny Shipley-NZ’s first female P.M(unelected)…legacy will be her involvement in the Mainzeal debacle .Ruthless and ambitious,achieved little to be proud of after politics.

    Ruth Richardson-senior minister who set the scene for what National is renown for-bene bashing=hopeless.

    Paula Bennett rose to Deputy LOTO…..did Richardson proud.-Sad.

    Michelle Boag…tru blue harridan who, on close analysis has done the Nats far more harm than….good.

    Judith Collins…..at 61 the woman who didn’t come to Parliament to ‘eat her lunch’ is poised to become another huge disappointment .

    When you compare all other women M.P’s in National with Labours representatives it is clear which party attracts real talent.

    Helen Clark-first elected female P.M.
    Jacinda Adern -acclaimed around the world as a visionary,inspiring leader.

    Reply
    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  31st July 2020

      Richardson’s Fiscal Responsibility Act still governs expenditure.

      Shipley is still flying her flag up the road. The Mainzeal case is under appeal.

      Three retiring senior female Nat MPs plus female Leader shows women are well represented in the Nats despite Lefty assumptions.

      Reply
    • Duker

       /  31st July 2020

      Forgot to add the champion of Free enterprise Richardson now dwells on the board of Bank of China NZ ( entirely state owned) and Synlait Milk majority owned by Shanghai Municipal Government.
      Seems like principles against state ownership may have wilted a bit but confirms the enduring bond between the National Party former Mps and the Chinese state organs
      Don Brash is on the board of the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China NZ .

      Reply
      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  31st July 2020

        No doubt we could find a number of ex Labour MPs now happily oppressing the workers. As well as ex National ones doing the opposite. But why engage in the Left’s personal attacks as they condemn dirty politics?

        Reply
        • Duker

           /  31st July 2020

          Politics is personal. As is leadership. As is realationaships….etc etc.

          I was showing how the money has meant Brash and Richardson now feed at the rice bowl of the Communist Party/State… and advance its interests in NZ
          Who said anything oppressing the workers ?…just a stupid claim of yours, which you are renowned for

          Reply
          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  31st July 2020

            I guess it’s entirely unreasonable to wonder if foreign banks operating in NZ might be supporting any useful developments here.

            Or whether oppressing the workers is best done by the state or private enterprise?

            Or whether personal attacks are the inevitable consequence and collateral damage of Lefty politics?

            Reply
            • Duker

               /  31st July 2020

              So its OK for you to claim the Nats Mps have business knowlege and I show their top leadership is nonexistent.
              Is that digging into their personal backgrounds
              Indeed I said you probably have more business experience than that top 10 combined.
              Guess who sacked an MP for personal reasons , both Collins and Ardern
              was that a no no ?
              We vote for people and their backgrounds and policies not robots who spout PR speak.

              In reality you are happy to raise Mps and ex Mps backgrounds when it suits as a scroll through the archives would show ..which I dont have time for .

      • Pink David

         /  31st July 2020

        “Synlait Milk majority owned by Shanghai Municipal Government”

        How did you work that out?

        Reply
        • Duker

           /  31st July 2020

          Says so in news reports. Bright Foods is the entity
          Huawei is supposed to be majority owned by an employee ‘union’…. still means its under party control

          Reply
          • Pink David

             /  31st July 2020

            Bright Foods owns 39.08% of Synlait. They are not a majority shareholder.

            Reply
            • Duker

               /  31st July 2020

              The report I saw said 51%

              The share register shows mostly nominee companies for the rest, could hide some other Chinese entities who are at the smaller range.
              Im presuming China wouldnt really let control be exercised by others and these unknown small shareholders would ‘vote with the chairman’

            • Pink David

               /  31st July 2020

              “The report I saw said 51%”

              It clearly didn’t, because they do not own 51%. Perhaps you just don’t understand the difference between controlling and majority interest.

              “The share register shows mostly nominee companies for the rest, could hide some other Chinese entities who are at the smaller range.”

              Ah, so it’s all hidden then. Perhaps you need to talk to the OIO with this new information you have.

            • Blazer

               /  31st July 2020

              Why could they not be a majority shareholder with 39.08%?

              Hopeless.

            • Pink David

               /  31st July 2020

              “Why could they not be a majority shareholder with 39.08%?”

              To be a majority shareholder you have to have greater than 50%.

              39.08% is lower than 50.01%. Therefor they are not a majority shareholder.

            • What if four people have 15% each and a fifth person has 40% ?

            • Blazer

               /  31st July 2020

              Unbelievable even KC can see the logic!

            • Corky

               /  31st July 2020

              😄

          • Duker

             /  31st July 2020

            The report was correct at the time it came up first on google

            Chinese dairy company Bright Dairy yesterday announced it was taking a 51% stake in Synlait Milk. Pictured from left are Synlait chairman Graeme Milne, Li Ke, Bright Dairy vice-president and head of marketing, and Synlait chief executive John Penn

            Just the place for ex lawyer, ex finance minister Ruth Richardson…. who brings her experience in milk production , finance and marketing…NOT

            Reply
  4. lurcher1948

     /  31st July 2020

    Not fit to ever become a Prime Minister of New Zealand

    Reply
    • Duker

       /  31st July 2020

      Legislation introduced…. supported by major parties.
      “In December, the Government announced it would give police new powers to conduct random roadside drug testing and to prosecute drugged drivers in a bid to save lives on the road.”
      Genter is just the Minister for Road Safety and its been the Greens who have been stalling these things for the last years.

      “The Land Transport (Drug Driving) Amendment Bill was introduced to Parliament on Thursday, and is set to have its first reading in the House next week.”

      The announcement comes a day after Nelson MP Nick Smith attempted to introduce a member’s bill on the same issue.
      National’s Drug Reform spokesperson Nick Smith welcomed the bill’s introduction, and would strongly facilitate its passage through Parliament.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122298343/government-introduces-roadside-drug-testing-bill-to-catch-impaired-drivers

      Reply
      • Why would anyone want people on drugs to be let to go on driving and kill other, innocent people who are also on the road ?

        There have been some hideous mass fatalities caused by stoned drivers.

        Reply
    • Corky

       /  31st July 2020

      I’m not worried about the bill – that’s a good thing. I’m worried about JAG not knowing the parameters of proposed roadside checks and still waiting on official advice for such that may be challenged by other experts and those charged under the proposed bill.

      Reply
      • Duker

         /  31st July 2020

        JAG wont be deciding that , its the Cops as it should…. face it you have been caught out in misleading comment and have done a pivot to cover up your mistake, as you do

        Reply
        • Corky

           /  31st July 2020

          Not at all..I listened to the interview, did you? JAG said the cops will be deciding, that is true according to her. But who carries the can if the cops get it wrong? What if costs are awarded on appeal…you and I will carry the can.

          You are a well knew spinner of BS mixed with fact…your speciality.

          Reply
          • Duker

             /  31st July 2020

            They could use your comments on Babylon Bee….so absurd it’s droll satire

            Reply
  5. Duker

     /  31st July 2020

    Just loved this headline and story in NZ herald …so on trend ( from NY Times)

    Grilled by lawmakers, big tech turns up the gaslight
    It is less clear that tech executives’ strategy of evasive answers will continue to work now that lawmakers have begun doing their homework.
    “After Wednesday’s (Thursday NZ time) marathon appearance by Zuckerberg and three other tech titans at a House hearing on competition in the tech industry, a more fitting quote might be, “Congresswoman, I’m not sure what you would mean by ‘threaten.'” That was Zuckerberg’s evasive answer to a question asked by Rep. Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash., about whether Facebook had ever threatened to squash smaller competitors by copying their products if they wouldn’t let Facebook acquire them.”
    Gaslighting ?…it was a full bore gas flare

    “He did the same thing when Rep. Hank Johnson, D-Ga., pressed him for answers about Facebook Research — an app that was used to snoop on users’ smartphone usage and give Facebook detailed data about its competitors. Zuckerberg initially said he wasn’t familiar with the app, even though Apple’s decision to bar it from its App Store nearly caused a meltdown at his company last year. (He later said he misspoke and that he remembered it.)

    Wasnt only Zuckerberg

    “At one point, Bezos was asked about a recent Wall Street Journal report that Amazon had set up a venture capital fund to invest in startups, only to then introduce its own versions of those startups’ products.
    “I don’t know the specifics of that situation,” Bezos replied.

    At another point, Pichai, asked to explain whether it was anti-competitive for Google to threaten to delist Yelp if it didn’t allow the company’s search engine to use its listings in its featured snippets, said he was “happy to engage and understand the specifics” at a later date. Yelp has complained publicly about Google’s search engine for years.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12352568

    Reply
    • David

       /  31st July 2020

      Its a free market and dog eat dog capitalism and there is no place for the fuckwits of the US congress to be trying to regulate.
      One of these clowns asked Zuckerberg why he has banned Donald Trump Jnr from Twitter, its just tragic the stupidness of those elected in the US.

      Reply
      • duperez

         /  31st July 2020

        You got it! It is just tragic the stupidness of those elected in the US. Donald Trump Jnr knows about that.

        Reply
  6. The ultra-conservative founder of The Federalist Society has had an epiphany and has finally acknowledged that Trump’s fascism is not mere left-wing political hyperbole, but is a real and present danger to American politics.

    Looks like the Federalist Society figures they got what they could by way of judicial appointments and now want to turn the page so they can spend four years undermining Biden.

    Reply
    • Griff.

       /  31st July 2020

      Rat ship sinking

      Reply
      • Corky

         /  31st July 2020

        The old rat jumping off a sinking ship – the gold standard Lefty analogy for all occasions. Pity it’s wrong most of the time.

        Reply
    • David

       /  31st July 2020

      Trump had been improving in the last couple of weeks with a new campaign manager but this is just stupid, its not even up to him and makes him look like he is scared of loosing.
      Someone needs to confiscate his twitter.

      Reply
  7. lurcher1948

     /  31st July 2020

    Not New Zealanders,it’s their problem Alan W should have got dual citership

    Reply
    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  31st July 2020

      A fool with a rule, Lurch. We have a Government full of them.

      Reply
  8. Patzcuaro

     /  31st July 2020

    Herman Cain who ran in the 2016 Republican Presidential Primary passed away from COVID 19 complications after attending Trump’s Tulsa rally.

    Reply
    • Jack

       /  31st July 2020

      https://www.newsroom.co.nz/he-said-hed-destroy-me-and-here-we-are

      I find this extremely distressing.
      An honest and serving woman could not parade her sex mistakes to paint herself as a victim. COULD NOT. In the first place, there wouldn’t be mistakes to confess to!
      Ms D and JLR were hammer and tongs at it together. I wish her and and Ms Reid would go away. They hurt real victims with this crap.
      Where are the good politicians and journalists who do their work? Is Ms Reid a psychologist? Or even a trained counsellor? She should be ridiculed into silence. Psychology is a science, not a walk in the park.
      Ms Dowie would have income enough to pay for the words of any counsellor of her choosing.
      Judith should be asking Sarah to put a sock in it. She is doing National extremely badly. What a shameful politician.
      As the daughter of two police officers is Sarah the one who knows how to manipulate public opinion? There are many victims in NZ who know how stupid and negligent are our police toward victims. Some know Police as manipulative, cowardly and corrupt. Sarah simply shows herself as needing her own scientific analysis regarding narcissism. I am disgusted. Who will make Ms Reid STOP?

      Reply
      • Duker

         /  31st July 2020

        I knew there would be a self serving slanted story from Melanie Reid…

        Reply
        • Kimbo

           /  1st August 2020

          There always is.

          Politicians and journalists, for all their complaints about the other, are locked in a mutual relationship of need and contempt. Indeed, they can’t function without the other.

          Reply
  9. From the newly released Ghislaine Maxwell documents. Looks like Alan Dershowitz has some explaining to do.

    Reply
  10. Griff.

     /  31st July 2020

    Anew book, described as “deeply and fatally flawed” by an expert reviewer, recently reached the top of Amazon’s bestseller list for environmental science and made it into a weekly top 10 list for all nonfiction titles.

    How did this happen? Because, as Brendan Behan put it, “there’s no such thing as bad publicity”. In an article promoting his book, Michael Shellenberger – with jaw-dropping hubris – apologises on behalf of all environmentalists for the “climate scare we created over the last 30 years”.

    Shellenberger was named a hero of the environment by Time magazine in 2008 and is a loud advocate of nuclear power, but the article was described by six leading scientists as “cherry-picking”, “misleading” and containing “outright falsehoods”.

    The article was widely republished, even after being removed from its first home, Forbes, for violating the title’s editorial guidelines on self-promotion, adding further heat to the storm. And this is why all those who deny the reality or danger of the climate emergency should be ignored. Obviously, I have broken my own rule here, but only to make this vital point once and for all.

    The science is clear, the severity understood at the highest levels everywhere, and serious debates about what to do are turning into action. The deniers have nothing to contribute to this.

    However infuriating they are, arguing with them or debunking their theories is likely only to generate publicity or money for them. It also helps to generate a fake air of controversy over climate action that provides cover for the vested interests seeking to delay the end of the fossil fuel age.

    But the deniers are not all the same. They tend to fit into one of four different categories: the shill, the grifter, the egomaniac and the ideological fool.

    The shill is the easiest to understand. He, and it almost always is he, is paid by vested interests to emit clouds of confusion about the science or economics of climate action. This uncertainty creates a smokescreen behind which polluters can lobby against measures that cut their profits.

    A sadder case is that of the grifters. They have found themselves earning a living by grinding out contrarian articles for rightwing media outlets. Do they actually believe the guff they write? It doesn’t matter: they just warm their hands on the outrage, count the clicks and wait for the pay cheque.

    The egomaniacs are also tragic figures. They are disappointed, frustrated people whose careers have stalled and who can’t understand why the world refuses to give full reverence to their brilliance. They are desperate for recognition, and, when it stubbornly refuses to arrive, they are drawn to make increasingly extreme pronouncements, in the hope of finally being proved a dogma-busting, 21st-century Galileo.

    The ideological fool is the fourth type of climate denier, and they can be intelligent. But they are utterly blinded by their inane, no-limits version of the free-market creed. The climate emergency requires coordinated global action, they observe, and that looks horribly like communism in disguise.

    They could explore the many credible climate action plans being pursued, including by those on the political right. But their cognitive dissonance forces them to the conclusion that because state intervention is wrong, acting to avert climate danger cannot be right. Intellectual gymnastics to “expose” climate alarmism then follow naturally.

    But why do I say ignore them all? The climate crisis is urgent, and we need debate to drive action. However, vigorous debates over action are already taking place in good faith all over the world, from the tops of governments to the smallest local action groups.

    Every nation in the world signed up to the 2015 Paris climate deal, pledging to keep global heating below 2C and ideally to 1.5C. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change involves thousands of international scientists and is arguably the greatest scientific endeavour in history. It has spent three decades spelling out in painstaking detail how humanity is causing global heating, how catastrophic that threatens to be – and how drastic action is required to avert the worst.

    The world of finance and business is catching up fast with the science, and almost all the technology needed already exists. In short, no sane or serious actor can countenance denial of climate danger. Bad-faith arguments motivated by greed, egomania or ideology have nothing to add.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/30/climate-denier-shill-global-debate

    Reply
    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  31st July 2020

      How surprising – a Lefty making personal attacks.

      Reply
      • Blazer

         /  31st July 2020

        Do ‘righties’ not engage in..personal..attacks..Al?

        Reply
        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  31st July 2020

          Rarely, B. Mostly engage on the issues instead. You have to in business.

          Reply
      • Griff.

         /  31st July 2020

        The ideological fool is the fourth type of climate denier, and they can be intelligent. But they are utterly blinded by their inane, no-limits version of the free-market creed. The climate emergency requires coordinated global action, they observe, and that looks horribly like communism in disguise.

        Gee who is like that?

        Reply
        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  31st July 2020

          Dunno, Griff. I don’t recall ever complaining about coordinated action, just about the massive negative impacts being ignored.

          Reply
        • Fight4nz

           /  31st July 2020

          That’s a clear case of misrepresentation. I am outraged. The egomaniac should take action.

          Reply
    • Gerrit

       /  31st July 2020

      Problem you have is that whilst China is busy raping and pillaging the world environment, it will not make even a slightest bit of difference how much the rest of the world views and acts on climate change. Climate change cannot be controlled whilst a majority of the human population don’t care.

      Latest Chinese rape and pillage

      https://www.smh.com.au/world/south-america/fleet-of-chinese-boats-fishing-near-galapagos-ecuador-on-alert-20200731-p55h5p.html

      Most people are realists to this fact and don’t buy into the need for self flagellation on a lost cause.

      Better to face the fact the earth is going to warm, the hugely overshot volume of the human population will implode to sustainable numbers and the earth will reset to a new environment.

      Best to learn to live in this new environment. The old is beyond salvage.

      Reply
      • Blazer

         /  31st July 2020

        Bit melodramatic there Gerrit…Japan and their whaling agenda over decades makes that look trivial.

        As far as environmental vandalism goes..where do we ..start!

        Reply
    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  31st July 2020

      I thought so too. They’d be lucky not to be on death row in the US. Presumably their victim was a drug dealer though.

      Reply
  11. lurcher1948

     /  1st August 2020

    A possible future for New Zealanders under Nationals total control

    sadly its true…guess whos the vampire, some one said it crushes cars someone said, that but its a parody and fake news,fake news would struggle tp manipulate the facts,

    Reply

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Google photo

You are commenting using your Google account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s