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  1. lurcher1948

     /  7th August 2020

    So [use correct name] doesn’t think our PM Jacinda Ardern is interested in her country and the economy and wants RICH Americans in to purchase the country again,on top of this he wants national to open NZ to death, p[use correct name] your times past,go back to your highly paid bankers job and let Ms Collins lose on her own,National doesn’t need your help with that.😀

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    • artcroft

       /  7th August 2020

      Jacinda is selling the country to foreign bankers; loan by loan; billion by billion. And she can smile while she does it.

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      • duperez

         /  7th August 2020

        Does that prove that for all the fuss made about how different Ardern is, she is just like previous prime ministers?

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        • artcroft

           /  7th August 2020

          If difference is i don’t think she has the slightest intention of ever paying down debt, so no interest in keeping debt as low as possible. Labour will do what they always do, spend, spend, spend and leave the check to others.

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          • duperez

             /  7th August 2020

            Maybe it’s about you attributing motives and intentions based on political views.

            Did John Key have NZ go into debt or into more debt? Did he have the slightest intention of ever paying it down or leaving that to others? And rather than stay to pay it back is it reasonable to say then he went to bat for the other team?

            You don’t think Ardern has the slightest intention of ever paying down debt. I reckon her intentions are no less noble than Sir John Key’s.

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            • artcroft

               /  7th August 2020

              National made paying it off a priority and moved NZ back into surplus. That will be even more difficult to do this time but I don’t see from labour’s recent efforts ie $3b for Shane to try and buy a seat in Northland – that they(labour) have given it even a moment’s thought.

            • Duker

               /  7th August 2020

              national NEVER paid off a cent, unlike Cullen who was reducing debt and funding the Cullen fund during the boom of the Clark years.
              Get it into your head , National borrowed money EVERY year, the surplus is just an accrual accounting term, and as old loans matured they were repaid by more new loans.
              Cash accounting looking at money and money out – which is how Australia counts its federal budget – shows cash deficits every year right up to 2017 when something like $6 bill was borrowed.
              Amazing that people aligned from so called business party dont understand simple accounting and the difference between cash and accrual

      • Blazer

         /  7th August 2020

        Which foreign banks has she loaned money off…and while you are there which banks did the Key/English Govt borrow 80 billion off?

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        • artcroft

           /  7th August 2020

          It’s called Google Blazer – use it.

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          • Blazer

             /  7th August 2020

            I didn’t think you knew.
            No surprise.

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            • artcroft

               /  7th August 2020

              The govt issues bonds which are brought by a variety of institutions, including banks, insurance companies and investment funds. many of which are foreign owned.

            • Blazer

               /  7th August 2020

              Which ones are foreign owned…you must know google eyes.

        • She hasn’t lent the money (we don’t have it to lend) She has borrowed it. There is a huge difference.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  7th August 2020

      Sir Key is a proper name,so is Mr Key.I dont know him so don’t use his christian name

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      • It isn’t a proper use of salutations as has been pointed out to you a number of times. If you choose to keep doing it I will choose to edit or bin comments.

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      • A man who’s been knighted is NEVER called Sir Surname, any more than a woman who’s been made a dame is Dame Surname.

        A man is Sir First-name Surname, and it is correct to call him Sir First-name, or Sir First-name Surname.

        His wife has the courtesy title of Lady Surname, and should never be called Lady First-name unless she has the title in her own right as the daughter of a duke or earl.

        Sir William Gallagher’s wife refers to herself as Lady Judi, (‘Do call me Lady Judi.’) which is absurd.She must think that she was born into the aristocracy.

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        • lurcher1948

           /  7th August 2020

          Kitty you are trying to explain something to a middle of the road voter WHO DOSNT GIVE A SHI* I DONT GIVE A F**K PG from now on, Mr Key is Mr Key a nobody rich banker WHO RAN away…COWARDLY, then there was english bridges muller SO MANY now is Ms Collins at the end of the long list of failures

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        • Duker

           /  7th August 2020

          Lady Judi can call herself what she likes….its common usage to have that way of using her husbands title outside the very formal situations.

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    • David

       /  7th August 2020

      So what do you make of the vast tracks of farmland being bought by foreigners and converted to forestry at the cost of many thousands of farmworkers jobs.
      Either it matters or it doesnt or does being an Ardern fan allow you to have fungible principals.

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  2. David

     /  7th August 2020

    Christchurch is moving its fireworks from Guy Fawkes to Matariki which is wonderful, now can we please change the damn flag to a fern.

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    • I think this is a good change. Guy Fawkes has very little connection to New Zealand.

      And in practical terms it doesn’t get dark until 10 pm (in the south at least) so it’s a long wait for kids for fireworks. Having fireworks in the middle of winter in association with something relevant to Aotearoa makes a lot more sense.

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      • David

         /  7th August 2020

        I am really pleased, even as an immigrant I have always found it odd NZ celebrates an English terrorist.
        I will go off and find out what this Matariki is all about but no doubt there is a mysterious yarn behind it that can be exploited for commercial gain.

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        • duperez

           /  7th August 2020

          Like Christmas and Easter I suppose.

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          • The damage done by fireworks will be the same no matter when these are let off. Fires, dead and injured animals.

            I once stayed in the house where the Gunpowder Plot was worked out; there is a little plaque to say so. But I can’t remember where in England it was; most annoying.

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            • Blazer

               /  7th August 2020

              ‘I once stayed in the house where the Gunpowder Plot was worked out; ‘

              Lucky you got out before it was blown sky high!

  3. David

     /  7th August 2020

    I wonder about the justice system and the way it bends over backwards for some leaving vulnerable members of the public at risk.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/122359920/uproar-after-man-who-masturbated-in-front-of-child-at-pool-escapes-conviction

    This guy is clearly a problem and while the judge may have found mitigating circumstances a conviction, some punishment/help would be the bare minimum but the fact he gets name suppression is f…ing outrageous and an unnecessary community risk. The guy was masturbating in public at a child getting changed in a public place, if you got caught with that image on your computer you would get convicted and named.

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  4. It’s not lost on me that a Black woman is going to finish off the NRA. Talk about poetic justice! Time to burn that useless organization to the damned ground.

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    • duperez

       /  7th August 2020

      Of course she’s not going to finish off the NRA. There may be graft or fraud but the case will take years. Anyone found guilty of doing wrong if it gets to that stage, will be hoping that it’s done in the 2nd Trump term so he can pardon them.

      It’s just people capitalising on access to money. It’s the American way.

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  5. Lest we forget the crap that Trump feeds his base:

    “So I passed a regulation, I signed a regulation to give the dishwashers much more water. And I was asking today – and that, by the way includes your washers. You don’t need too much water in your dryers. But it includes your washers. And I was just saying to your brilliant people that are, uh, doing such a good job running your company, I said, ‘How much impact has that had?’ They said, ‘Unbelievable. It’s been unbelievable.’ Because I had people says they’d wash their dishes and they’d press the button five times. So in the end they’re probably wasting more water than if they did it once. So do you notice the people that make the machines you know what I’m talking about.”

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    • He has a point about the low water dunnies, I have to admit. An American friend who loathes Trump agrees with him on that. They don’t use enough water to flush properly, so people have to flush several times and there is still a risk of blockages which occur frequently with this kind of loo. False economy. It’s like the low water use showers that the Greens and/or Labour wanted to inflict on us; people had to spend twice as long in there, rendering them pointless.

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      • Grow up, PDT.

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      • Duker

         /  7th August 2020

        That came from a poor design in early days of ‘low flush’
        Their power supply is low voltage too…. I dont know how they can wait so long for a kettle at 110V to boil compared to our 240V ones

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  7th August 2020

          Power = voltage x current. 110v kettles of the same wattage as 230v kettles boil at exactly the same speed.

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  6. Corky

     /  7th August 2020

    Talkback is going berserk with landlords reiterating they are selling up due to the gummint changing tenancy laws once again.

    They interviewed waste of space property developer – Ashley Church- a past head honcho of various property investment organizations and associations. You would think this chap has some idea regarding property rights. But no, he seems blind to the problems landlords have with tenants and the gummint regarding maintaining sovereignty over their rentals and properties.

    Ashley Church’s korero:

    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/07-08-2020/landlords-paradise-even-after-the-law-changes-nz-still-sucks-for-renters/

    Here’s an easy one for National and ACT. Promise to repeal this bs and you will pick up more voters. Of course they won’t because when it comes to property rights they are little better than Labour.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  7th August 2020

      I refused a request for a long term rental a few weeks ago because it would make me another serf to the bureaucracy. Currently have a GP couple holidaying in it who said it looked great on the website but is just wonderful and unique to be there. But of course it would never anywhere near comply with half-witted rule-making morons who infest and regulate everything here to death. So renters miss out while bureaucrats thrive and will do for the next three years.

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      • Corky

         /  7th August 2020

        Let’s hope National can make things easier for folk like you, Alan. Labour has no idea about the problems they are bringing upon themselves with their tenancy regulations.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  7th August 2020

          Corky, I am fine continuing with holiday rentals and ever increasing bookings. It is the would be long term renters and buyers especially young folk who are hurt by the Vogon morons.

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          • Duker

             /  7th August 2020

            Zero sum , if landlords dont buy houses for rent , guess who gets them instead….homeowners.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  7th August 2020

              Actually the returning immigrants, Duker. New houses don’t get built. Renters are homeless.

            • Corky

               /  7th August 2020

              What do would-be renters do? Live under a bridge? Most renters are renters for a reason – they can’t afford to buy a house.

            • Duker

               /  7th August 2020

              New houses are being built , even more now than the [censored] government.
              https://www.nzadviseronline.co.nz/news/home-consents-bounce-back-post-lockdown-272178.aspx
              What ever made you think less houses are being built…. oh thats right you live in a non reality bubble

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  7th August 2020

              Supply vs unmet demand => high prices = reality.

            • Blazer

               /  7th August 2020

              Demand vs unmet supply ..is it not?

              Housing as an investment class with huge incentives as opposed to other investments,has distorted the reality that homes are for people to live in and have a stake in society.

              Landlords ramp up the prices of existing property and the leverage of this Ponzi, ensures home ownership declines year on..year.

              I have spoken to many successful smb owners,good,decent people who confirm property inflation is far and away responsible for their overall net worth.

              With National wanting to sell the country to foreign absentee owners it is vital they never ever regain the treasury benches.

              They are supparating sores on the face of..humanity.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  7th August 2020

              Of course we have price inflation when your Lefty bureaucracies continue to churn out new restrictions, obligations and costs for new home builders that existing ones didn’t have to meet.

              They are supparating sores on the face of..humanity – and the biggest inter-generational wealth thieves ever.

            • Blazer

               /  7th August 2020

              Al you persistent gaslighter ..you know very well National introduced the RMA..had every opportunity to change it and couldn’t be..arsed.

              Those Keri keri lemons are bad for your ..gut.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  7th August 2020

              Palmer wrote it. Upton was the fool who signed it off. Lefty bureaucrats and politicians took their opportunity to progress it into the current monster and add its partner in crime, the 2004 Building Act and its lunatic heap of regulations.

    • Blazer

       /  7th August 2020

      Landlords are running a business.

      Still the best game in town.

      They won’t sell up.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  7th August 2020

        They just convert to Airbnb and now have a captive market of holidaying kiwis who can’t go anywhere else without quarantine imprisonment. And some will sell up taking advantage of current high prices and quick sales.

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        • Blazer

           /  7th August 2020

          That will taper off…quicksmart.

          Hardly any will sell.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  7th August 2020

            Neither prices nor holiday demand will taper off quickly. We have never had so much winter/spring business and summer is booked out already.

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            • That is very good news, Alan, congratulations. I wish that I had half your enterprise.

              Bad news for Blazer and the envious, of course. Of course landlords are running a business like any other and providing a service.

  7. lurcher1948

     /  7th August 2020

    So Paula Bennet is a new talkback host on National party Magic radio,,,, the take over by the right is complete,
    PS Jacinda why did you give money to this tinpot rightwing overseas owned company, let it fail

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  7th August 2020

      Do you good to hear some common sense, Lurch. Might restore your equanimity.

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  7th August 2020

    Alan have you noticed the aggressive Ms Collins wanting to go mud wrestling or cage fighting with Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern,who just smiles and leaves Ms Collins seething
    Ms Ardern has the measure of the elderly Ms Collins,crusher CRUSHED….no headway
    and do you really want to watch Ms Collins mud wrestling, once seen never forgotten

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  7th August 2020

      Sounds bad for your mental health, Lurch. Watch Paula instead.

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    • The ‘elderly’ Ms Collins is years younger than Lurch.

      The PM has no answer to the hard questions asked by the Opposition, so has to resort to pouting and trying to ignore them.

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      • Blazer

         /  7th August 2020

        Judith Collins is a wannabe Maggie Thatcher ..has the pearls…but after years in Parliament has proven to be all piss and..wind.

        Bill English rated her…correctly.

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      • duperez

         /  7th August 2020

        Some see a Jackson Pollock painting and see rubbish, while others don’t. Some see the PM having ‘no answer’ to ‘hard questions’ asked by the Opposition and ‘resorting’ to ‘pouting’ and trying to ignore them. Others don’t.

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  9. Duker

     /  7th August 2020

    At last official confirmation
    The pandemic-related lockdown is possibly the most dramatic public health intervention in NZ history. It helped achieve the elimination of community transmission of the COVID-19 virus in NZ. But it was also associated with 548 fewer total deaths than for the same period in 2019.

    repeating 550 fewer total deaths than same period last year !
    ‘the first 23 weeks into the year) and made comparisons with the three previous years. ”

    ‘The reduction in deaths in 2020 vs 2019 was proportionately highest in the under 30-year age-group (83.1% of the 2019 level, 72 fewer deaths), then the 30-59 year age-group (93.2%, 119 fewer deaths), then the 60-79 year age-group (96.7%, 167 fewer deaths), and least in the 80+ age-group (97.4%, 190 fewer deaths) ‘

    Still fewer deaths in the 80+ age group, but the youngest group (under 30) was proportionately greatest drop in overall deaths.
    https://blogs.otago.ac.nz/pubhealthexpert/2020/07/10/weekly-deaths-declined-in-nzs-lockdown-but-we-still-dont-know-exactly-why/

    This was my highlight , confirming what I had previously ‘guessed at ‘
    “Reduced elective surgical procedures, a small proportion of which may result in fatal complications. For example, around 40% of Wellington ICU patients are typically from elective procedures and around 10% of all Wellington ICU patients die [7]

    Im expecting tiresome diversions from the usual suspects claiming without proof the ‘shutdown was killing people’…they can shutup now

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  7th August 2020

      The issue was always what the consequences of delayed or prevented health care and the economic impacts and costs of lockdown would be, not its immediate effects. So watch this space next year.

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      • Duker

         /  7th August 2020

        More of your head in a cloud nonsense….
        Its counter intuitive but less elective surgerys means less deaths, it didnt realise that it was as high as 40% of ICU patients, not only people who die these peoples health declines quickly…
        Have you ever wondered why it is you barely have any real good ideas ? Maybe you made a lot of money from 1 or 2 years ago and that was it.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  7th August 2020

          I don’t mind you being an idiot, Duker, but do you have to be a rude one? I have been wondering for some time where you are on the autism spectrum. Griff was upfront and we respect him for that and make some allowances.

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  10. Pickled Possum

     /  7th August 2020

    What about the hundreds of kiwifruit being planted atm just outside of kerikeri. Owned by Hong Kong Germany and the UK.
    Managed by Nz firm Craigmore Sustainables.
    Craigmore Sustainables was set up in 2016 expressly for inviting overseas money to invest in grapes kiwifruit apples.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  7th August 2020

      Better than them just pinching the seeds to grow in China?

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    • Blazer

       /  7th August 2020

      All part of the so called ‘open’ economy PP as promoted by the Nats.

      Westland milk sold off to Chinese interests as well.

      The critical mass of overseas capital creation, will eventually result in all of us being mere labour units in creating profits to be sent offshore to reinforce our dependence on foreign entities.

      We are effectively owned by U.S proxy Australia now =essential financial services,banking,food,and offshore pension funds re natural resources-forestry ,agriculture,dairy..etc.

      The only difference is just how much Chinese interests can acquire .

      The irony is that they use the same template as their rivals.

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