Borders closed until 2022?

I don’t think anyone can predict how long our borders will be closed to anyone who is not a returning New Zealander (and a few exceptions) with 14 days isolation mandatory, but it looks like being for some time, probably well into next year if not until 2022.

On Monday (RNZ): NZ travel bubble with Cook Islands could be in place by end of year – Ardern

In a press conference this afternoon, Ardern says Cabinet considered a draft text for the basis of an agreement.

The next phase will be a verification phase on both sides within the next 10 days, she says.

She says the draft text is nearing its conclusion and they’re hoping the travel bubble will be in place before the end of the year.

Two factors are the maritime and aviation border, and that will be a “significant part” of the verification phase, she says.

“I expect in the next 10 days or so undertaking that on-the-ground verification process … it is not a simple exercise and it is one where we are exercising caution.”

“The whole point of establishing this regime is the assurance that both the Cook Islands and New Zealand are considered to be Covid-free, but that doesn’t mean we won’t have extra stages of assurance.”

Ardern says New Zealand is still waiting on Niue to be ready for a potential travel bubble but at the moment the plan is just for the Cook Islands.

So this signalled the possibility of a very limited opening of borders with the Cook Islands maybe by the end of the year.

And then yesterday it was announced that New Zealand is not Covid-free any more, with four positive cases with no known source of infection.

From what has been said that may put the cobwash on travel to and from the Cook Islands for the rest of the year at least, all going well.

What about trans-Tasman travel? With the spread of Covid in Victoria and a 6 week lockdown in Melbourne at least that’s looking a long way off. How long?

From the Northern territory yesterday: Hard border controls will remain for the NT for at least 18 months

Australia’s Northern Territory will be closed to visitors from virus hotspots for a further 18 months to protect its large and vulnerable Aboriginal population, authorities said Tuesday.

“We’ll have our hard border controls in place for at least the next 18 months. And we’re resourcing so we can do that,” Chief Minister Michael Gunner told public broadcaster ABC.

Many Aboriginal groups fear the virus could sweep through remote indigenous communities where healthcare services are limited.

“This is what I think I need to do to make sure some of the most vulnerable people in the world stay safe,” Gunner said.

The Northern Territory has recorded few virus cases and no deaths since the beginning of the pandemic.

It is currently closed to Victoria state and Sydney, and Gunner said he expected other regions to be excluded.

I had booked time in Darwin in June and obviously had to ditch those plans. I have close family there, but it looks like it could be a long time before I can visit there or they can visit here.

If different parts of Australia are shut off internally then opening borders with New Zealand looks a long way off.

What does that mean for travel to and from the rest of the world?

Things could change. An effective vaccination may become available by some time next year. But there seems no point in planning any offshore travel at this stage.

Even local travel is now in doubt again. I had changed plans and was due to have an internal holiday soon, and have made bookings, but now even that is in doubt.

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18 Comments

  1. Gerrit

     /  12th August 2020

    Unless you have a tardis PG, you may want to review your headline year. How benign 2002 was. We can only wish we were back then. 🙂

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    • Thanks, I’ve corrected it.

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      • I thought it might be 2002 next time around.

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        • Duker

           /  12th August 2020

          Do you even leave the town you are in.?….or are you again ‘feeling the disruption’ for others

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          • It was a joke; I should have realised that the literal-minded wouldn’t get it.

            I meant that it might be in 2000 years time. I should have spelled it out,, I suppose. Sigh.

            Yes, I AM feeling for those whose lives are being disrupted again, odd as that might seem to you.

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  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  12th August 2020

    Labour could ask Putin for a vaccine.

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    • Gerrit

       /  12th August 2020

      The MOH stuffed up and lied about the flu vaccine, how can we trust them to deliver the covid vaccine to the populace?

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      • Duker

         /  12th August 2020

        MOH did ‘muddle their spin’ but everyone who wanted it- unprecedented demand- mean they got it eventually
        Twice as many
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/121286312/flu-vaccine-2020-record-number-of-kiwis-get-jabs-twice-as-many-as-2019

        Some GPs who saw those patient demand fall away along with income, knew they could use the jab to boost both and wanted to fill their appointments with flu jabs.
        When things are dire Doctors like to ‘Shroud wave’ to scare everyone , but didnt do sothis year …biggest problem was ‘appointments cancelled ” …..hahahahaha
        Due to CV19 the flu severity has been relatively light this year so no great problems caused by supply chain hiccups

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    • lurcher1948

       /  12th August 2020

      According to POTUS 45 Donald Trump the Spnish flu ended the second world war,I hear Covid-19 will end the Vietnam war,thank god for that

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  12th August 2020

      5 million guinea pigs?

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  3. Barbara McKenzie

     /  12th August 2020

    Blood tests in Japan reveal that CV19 mortality is lower than influenza. This is supported by many other studies which indicate a mortality between a mild and serious flu.
    We’ve been doing it all wrong – we could wrecked the economy, the health system and democracy years ago on the back of a seasonal virus. Nobody would have minded.

    Japanese https://www.corvelva.it/en/approfondimenti/notizie/covid19/test-sul-sangue-effettuati-in-giappone-rivela-la-mortalita-da-coronavirus-e-inferiore-all-influenza.html?fbclid=IwAR0pZ5h0ETId7sCInrTpX49qMfREJw1NnFX3rkRKE0vZ8b6pQPNgszbXivg

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      • Barbara McKenzie

         /  12th August 2020

        Everyone with half a brain knows 1) factcheckers are not remotely interested in truth, and 2) of course vaccines cause autism – the vaccine inserts make it quite clear.

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      • Duker

         /  12th August 2020

        Thanks for that Noel …Xmas has come early as the fruitcake lady is back

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    • An American living here cynically said that if they hadn’t given it a fancy name and made such a fuss, no one would have noticed.

      If the PM locks us all in again, the economy may well collapse.

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      • Duker

         /  12th August 2020

        Parliament will be a chance for National and ACT to come clean and say do they SUPPORT the Level2/3 lockdowns currently – we will crush this – or want to ‘wish it all away’.
        Collins will have to come out one way or the other…no refuge in ‘wait and see’ or other virtue signalling….so many decisions like this sent Muller into ‘personal crisis’.

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        • ACT is in support of the levels when they are needed, of course, and David Seymour has said so.

          He thinks that it would be wrong to have an election if we are under house arrest again and can’t get out to vote.

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