Should the election be delayed?

Judith Collins and David Seymour are asking if the election needs to be delayed due to the new Covid cases.

RNZ: ‘Straight answers’ needed from government on Covid-19 restrictions – Collins

National was delaying its campaign launch, Collins said, and if the situation in Auckland didn’t improve the election might need to be postponed.

“I think it’s inevitable that people will be asking these questions and I actually can’t see how we can have the Government saying well it’s all just fine and we’ll get the Electoral Commission to do some postal ballots or something, that’s not going to be acceptable, this is a liberal democracy and people do need to be able to have a fair go.

“I think it’s going to have to be [delayed] unless it’s sorted out by Friday, so let’s see how Friday goes and I’m ever hopeful that we’ll have a decision straight away, we’ll have something that can tell us we can get back to where we have been.

ACT leader David Seymour wrote to the Speaker last night asking him to postpone the dissolution of Parliament.

“Terrible news tonight. It occurs to me that Parliament does not need to dissolve before the election.

“I strongly urge you to postpone the dissolution of Parliament tomorrow until at least this time next week when a clearer picture of the Public Health situation can be had.

“It is possible that the election will now need to be delayed. If that is the case, I believe the people would want to have Parliament available for an epidemic response committee or perhaps sittings,” Seymour said in the letter.

I don’t know why the election should be delayed at this staged at least.

This is more of a hiccup than a crisis. We have been told to expect more community cases ‘not if but when’. And now we have a few.

If the country rushes into lockdowns every time there’s a new community case we will have a very disrupted few months.

If the election has to be delayed because of these cases, for how long should it be delayed? Until there are no new cases for a month? Then it will take two or three months at least to get the election going – and what if there’s moire cases, as we have been told is likely? Keep kicking the election can down the road?

I think that we should be trying to keep things as normal as possible while dealing with a few Covid hiccups.

There may be something on this from Jacinda Ardern soon, she is having media conferences with Ashley Bloomfield at 10:30 am and 4.o0 pm.


Ardern says they are considering the timing of the election but it’s in the early stages of discussion and no decision has been made or looks likely in the next day or two.

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37 Comments

  1. Gerrit

     /  12th August 2020

    Yep and Collins will push for a Government of national unity. Be interesting if Ardern will agree to that.

    Hence Collins push to delay.

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    • Duker

       /  12th August 2020

      Collins isnt event the first or second choice of her caucus …until the barrel was empty. Why should she even be talking about ‘UNITY’
      What Collins really wants is to delay the massive reduction in national Mps as a result of the low polling comeing home

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    • Blazer

       /  12th August 2020

      Should delay it for…3 years.

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  2. duperez

     /  12th August 2020

    Collins is in desperation mode. Look past the bluster and the ‘tough’ image is a mirage. The fear of losing has her and the more it does, the more daily nonsense comes out.

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    • Corky

       /  12th August 2020

      I would hope so. Rather that than a smug leader who thinks the election is already won.

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      • John J Harrison

         /  12th August 2020

        Corky, perfect !

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        • Duker

           /  12th August 2020

          Well National is ACTING like the election is lost with all its mad turmoil and crisis and [furry things] leaving a sinking ship.
          Why rain on the parade of disunity and backstabbing…. let the public see more of Barnum and Bailey Collins and Brownlees travelling 3 ring circus

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          • Corky

             /  12th August 2020

            I’m afraid National aren’t the star attraction anymore…Jacindas flying monkeys are the new ACT in town. And the reviews so far – mediocre..but now stinking.
            The punters will be going back to National in droves

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            • Duker

               /  12th August 2020

              You dont seem to understand polls…as nationals fall so ACTs rise, but not enough to make up the difference
              CB has national 32, ACT at 5. Put together thats 37% ….. which is a bit short of 51% dont you think

              Even Greens poll average is higher than ACT… me thinks NZL plus GRE next parliament will intrude quite deeply in the opposite side of the chamber

            • The PM has until the 16th to unilaterally delay the election.

            • Duker

               /  12th August 2020

              UMR Poll for Corporate clients ‘leaked today’

              Labour is at 52%
              National is down 4 at 28% …so much for rogue polls
              ACT is at 5.9
              Green 5.4%
              NZ First 5.1%

              Collins personal numbers are up as Nationals go down …..go figure which will cheer her caucus colleagues no end, Goldsmith might be only list MP and maybe not ?

              The fieldwork for the online survey was conducted between July 29 and August 3.
              https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12355979

            • After the 16th, it’s out of her hands.

  3. Duker

     /  12th August 2020

    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/12-08-2020/what-does-the-new-covid-19-community-transmission-mean-for-nzs-election/

    Geddis is an expert in this area:
    “the prime minister has confirmed that parliament still will be dissolved today and a writ for the election issued as planned. Those actions mean the election timetable then goes from being a matter of political discretion to one of statutory requirement.

    The election cant be stopped by politicians, HOWEVER
    “Well, amendments to the Electoral Act that came into force earlier this year address just such a possibility. These provisions permit the chief electoral officer – not the prime minister or other political figure – to stop voting at polling stations due to “an unforeseen or unavoidable disruption”, which includes the issuing of an epidemic notice.”

    So its down to the Election bureucracy to vote on the day for most which are Covid free , say and have alternative arrangements for some areas where there is clusters for example. Other methods would be
    “Alternatively, mobile voting booths could be permitted to bring the vote to people who are self-isolating, rather than require them to visit school halls or supermarkets.”

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    • Duker

       /  12th August 2020

      Seems thats theres a wrinkle in the shutdown of parliament, which will extend for a few days- so Collins can grandstand- but election date stay

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      • Corky

         /  12th August 2020

        From now on…every time Jacinda gives us a Covid update, she will be losing votes. And she knows it. Many have had a gutsful of her korero. The gummint has been working 24/7 behind the scenes. They knew they had a problem… Covid was either still in the community, or there was a failure at the border isolation units. The public only find out about these things weeks later.

        The fairytale is over for Jacinda. Midnight looms. You need to live with that.

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        • Fight4nz

           /  12th August 2020

          Where were you when previous daily updates by the Prime Minister put her popularity through the roof? National complaining about the unfair advantage.
          Why do you think the reverse would happen this time?

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          • Corky

             /  12th August 2020

            ”Where were you when previous daily updates by the Prime Minister put her popularity through the roof?”

            ”Why do you think the reverse would happen this time?”

            I can’t help you if you don’t know the answers to those questions.

            I will give you a clue…there is no past or future..there is only the ‘NOW.’

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        • duperez

           /  12th August 2020

          Many have had a gutsful of her korero? They didn’t want her talking right from the beginning of the coronavirus thing back in February or March. But she did, probably because she didn’t want fools to say she’s hiding and scared and doesn’t know what to say. Or they were not prepared to tolerate her talking merely for the fact she was the PM and they were in permanent state of disgruntlement about that.

          The government has been working 24/7 behind the scenes? Yes, you get that when there’s a pandemic. They do that believing that it’s serious and to be on top of things as much as they can so that when the permanently disgruntled make stuff up like “things have happened” and “the public only find out about these things weeks later” they know that they’ve done all they can.

          The hundreds of thousand of votes you see Ardern losing means Judith Collins and David Seymour will lead the next government. What you will have to live with is that within the last fortnight you’ve acknowledged that they weren’t up to the job, they didn’t want it or need it.

          Incapable in one breath and the saviours of the nation the next?

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  4. Pink David

     /  12th August 2020

    “Covid hiccups”

    Nothing to see here. It’s just a Covid hiccup. You are not locked into your home, it’s just a Covid hiccup.

    Love it.

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    • Fight4nz

       /  12th August 2020

      If the mortality rates on this were like say the Black Plague, would you still be bemoaning having to stay at home like a spoilt child?

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      • Have you read Defoe’s A Journal of the Plague Year ?

        It’s a novel (he’s rightly called the father of the modern novel) and purports to be someone’s own account. Defoe had done writing on the Plague, so had access to the documents of the time; the numbers and other details are genuine.

        It sounds extremely modern, despite being written in 1722. The lockdowns, the flow-on effect on the tradies and labourers who were out of work when the shipping and building came to a halt. the deserted streets, the rumours…

        His is the art that conceals art, the book is totally convincing as someone’s own story. I reread it earlier this year and found much that I had forgotten, like the tradies and labourers losing their jobs.

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        • Fight4nz

           /  12th August 2020

          Thanks, sounds interesting.

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          • It’s fascinating. Ignore the meanspirited, automatic downtick.Someone does this for every post I make, no matter what it says.

            Defoe deserves the title of father of the modern novel. His style is understated and one never questions that Plague Year was written by someone who’d lived through it; Defoe was a child when it happened, but many people believe that it’s a real account by an eye-witness.

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            • Blazer

               /  12th August 2020

              Cervantes is father of the modern novel

            • Have you read any of his works ? I have read and own Don Quixote, but in translation.

              Don Quixote is not modern in the sense that Defoe is. He has been called the godfather of the modern novel.

            • Cervantes is not modern in the sense….

        • Blazer

           /  12th August 2020

          La Peste by Albert Camus is far better.

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          • It’s a meaningless comparison. The two are quite different. One can’t say that one or other is ‘better’.

            Have you read them both, or either ? Yes, I have and have them both, La Peste en Francais, bien entendu. Unless you have, you can’t say which is better.

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            • Camus was a modern existentialist and used the symbol of the plague to show the helplessness of (then) modern people; the book was not written as a realistic account as Defoe’s was.

              It’s like saying that cubism is better than realism; neither is better in itself.

      • Pink David

         /  12th August 2020

        “If the mortality rates on this were like say the Black Plague, would you still be bemoaning having to stay at home like a spoilt child?”

        If the mortality rates were in the order of the black plague, this lockdowns may well be justified. The simple truth is Covid is in the range of a bad flu. It’s not the black plague, nor was it ever the black plague.

        It’s not ‘having to stay home’ either, it’s the destruction of people lives. These lockdowns have wide ranging effects which you have chosen to be blind too.

        The only people who believe this is about ‘having to stay home’ are spoilt children who clearly have never made an adult decision in their lives. Stop wetting the bed.

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        • Sssshhhh….you’ll be vilified for supposedly putting money ahead of human lives.

          Er, it’s the Plague or the Black Death, not the Black Plague :-/

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        • Duker

           /  12th August 2020

          Sweden history of infectious diseases this year pandemic is in 4th place behind black death , cholera and 1918 Flu
          Way ahead of any ordinary flu.
          Love to know what was your idea of a bad flu is ?

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_disasters_in_Sweden_by_death_toll

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          • Pink David

             /  12th August 2020

            Because it’s comical bullshit. I’ve posted it before, but Sweden has had three flu seasons that resulted in more deaths in the last 30 years.

            You can add to that both Hong Kong flu, and Asian flu which are not listed and killed significantly more.

            Should I post it again?

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          • Pink David

             /  12th August 2020

            Russian flu is also missing….

            “virus might have been not actually an influenza virus, but human coronavirus”

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1889%E2%80%931890_flu_pandemic

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          • Pink David

             /  12th August 2020

            I wonder why all these flu seasons are missing from your list Duker?

            1922-01-11 1922-03-23 71 3557
            1927-01-21 1927-04-03 72 4587
            1931-01-04 1931-03-15 70 4571
            1940-12-28 1941-03-01 63 3147
            1950-12-22 1951-02-10 50 2310
            1969-12-20 1970-01-25 36 1335
            1988-12-05 1989-01-19 45 2789
            1993-11-18 1994-01-24 67 2913
            1995-12-14 1996-01-20 37 2579

            Why is that? I’m curious why you would miss out all this information. All involved thousands of deaths. Do those lives not matter?

            Note the duration. 36-71 days. 2,500 dead in just 5 weeks. Interesting don’t you think?

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  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  12th August 2020

    Labour’s lead wouldn’t survive till November. They will only go there if forced.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  13th August 2020

      Stuff’s Lefty political commentators are falling over themselves in the rush to defend an early election for their heroine.

      Reply

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