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49 Comments

  1. Ray

     /  14th August 2020

    The policy of feeding us a scattering of chook feed at 1pm each day is starting to unravel with the Winston’s thoughts (conspiracies) and various other important details starting to leak out thanks to Australia journalists.
    “Most open and transparent ” 🤣.
    Loaded the contact app yesterday after three attempts, it is basically a shambles with various improvements “pending”.
    Judging by the Stuff article it is a very long way from being the Gold Standard we were promised.

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  2. lurcher1948

     /  14th August 2020

    Maybe you are not phone literate and struggle installing simple apps,so find a bright 8 yo then you will be sorted,Ray
    Ps did my wife and my wife’s phone no problems and I’m 71

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    • Gerrit

       /  14th August 2020

      Yes it was easy EXCEPT for having to think up a password string of 10 digits with one capital and one number. First time ever come across the need for a 10 digit password.

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      • Some phones won’t accept the app, so it wouldn’t matter who tried to put it on.

        Mine probably won’t, but I won’t spend hundreds on one that will and that I will seldom use; the reception here is terrible.

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  3. David

     /  14th August 2020

    The medias unquestiong adherence to the message delivered by Ardern and their leaping to her defence and smacking the opposition for daring to..well be the opposition is quite a worry at a time when we have police check points and the military being drafted in.
    There are some legitimate questions that need put and not just at the very strange timing of the warnings over the last 10 days then boom here we are, there are a lot of people who think this doesnt pass the sniff test.
    That 62% of people involved at the border and quarantine facilities have never been tested is quite outrageous and wasnt it last week that Bloomfield was talking about this ?
    People are rightly pissed off that again we are locked down and clearly the border hasnt been managed properly. We have let far too many people in, not charged them, not secured them properly and not managed the frontline staff adequately and to be honest it doesnt really seem such a difficult thing to do.
    Air NZ following MOH guidelines seems woefully inadequate as widely reported so who else has been run with such a casual approach.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  14th August 2020

      The reef fish are beating Labour’s drums.

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      • Blazer

         /  14th August 2020

        Hope you’re not mixing your metaphors Al.

        National support the Govts approach to dealing with…Covid.

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    • Corky

       /  14th August 2020

      ”That 62% of people involved at the border and quarantine facilities have never been tested is quite outrageous and wasn’t it last week that Bloomfield was talking about this ?”

      I thought this was just a recent revelation? Mikey claimed he had received footage inside these facilities..and apparently many security personnel had refused a Covid test. Mike grilled Chris Hipkins this morning on that. Hipkins claimed all staff are now being tested. I don’t think the penny dropped with the minister.

      I have been taking the piss out of our resident Lefties as they scramble to defend the indefensible. It has been quite funny. But it’s not funny anymore. The pig ignorance shown by this government is not excusable.

      One talkback caller related how his doctor was livid. The doctor had informed the Health Ministry about boarder staff not being tested. The Ministry fobbed him off.

      Jacinda’s announcement at 5.30 pm should be that a snap election will be called. This government is not fit to rule. We need certainty. People who don’t have certainty become
      stressed. One poster has already had a melt down yesterday.

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  4. David

     /  14th August 2020

    The WHO has the death rate at .6% the CDC estimate around .4% and there is a thousand times lower risk if you are 20 as opposed to 80.
    Let the thing spread in the healthy under 65s and develop herd immunity and lets just get on with life. If you are at risk then stay home and wear a mask and lets put in real support for you, its far less costly than shutting the country down.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  14th August 2020

      [Deleted. You should know not to make serious unsubstantiated accusations and smears against individuals or groups of people – PG]

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      • lurcher1948

         /  14th August 2020

        People who tend to vote towards the right side of the political sphere tend to value money highly,not saying they dont say care for the elderlies health but listening to the people who appear to vote to the right I would worry about my wife and my safety due to our age.

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        • I think you are likely to be basing this on what you see from only a small and more expressive and extreme cohort of those who “tend to vote towards the right side of the political sphere” and not for anywhere near all of that diverse group.

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        • Corky

           /  14th August 2020

          I don’t know why the hell you are worried about the RIGHT and their money, Lurchy.
          Worry about those hypocritical Lefties in government. The ones that may wind up costing some NZers their lives. It’s meant to be all about ‘kindness.’

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        • Pink David

           /  14th August 2020

          “I would worry about my wife and my safety due to our age.”

          When did your fear become a justification for destroying other people’s lives?

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  14th August 2020

      It is all very well to call for community spread but I doubt that you work on the front line of the health sector who will have to deal with the consequences.

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      • artcroft

         /  14th August 2020

        There are consequences for everyone in this. Big consequences. But the elderly (the vast majority of whom will survive, the mortality rate being less than 1%) will face the least of it. The young will suffer the blight of this for the rest of their lives.

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    • artcroft

       /  14th August 2020

      They may have to quarantine Invercargill. lol

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      • lurcher1948

         /  14th August 2020

        To all the Karen’s and Mervs out there,be kind and stay safe

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        • I want to discourage the use of names like this. It’s quite unfair on almost everyone who actually have those names and have done nothing wrong.

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    • duperez

       /  14th August 2020

      Obviously what was said in the class, how, and the total context, are now all subject to the filtering through the ears, perception and motivation of those who were there.

      On the surface it seems there are questions to be asked.

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    • Tom Hunter

       /  14th August 2020

      I’d be more annoyed about this if I had not sat through lectures and tutorials over the years with Humanities types who warned darkly of the connections between Muldoon and Reagan, which then morphed into the whole National-America connections….

      And of course that sort of stuff went right up to senior Labour politicians like Mallard.

      All the Lefties I knew absolutely loved it, even when they didn’t believe it.

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  6. Corky

     /  14th August 2020

    Before people write conspiracy theories off…they should check them out. Hmmm…I wonder if those Chemtrails….no!!! that’s tin hat stuff???

    https://www.livescience.com/23795-large-area-coverage-dangers.html

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  7. Pink David

     /  14th August 2020

    Wonder what systemic racism in the USA looks like? Here you go;

    “Justice Department Finds Yale Illegally Discriminates Against Asians and Whites in Undergraduate Admissions in Violation of Federal Civil-Rights Laws”

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-finds-yale-illegally-discriminates-against-asians-and-whites-undergraduate

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    • duperez

       /  14th August 2020

      Do you think we should start street marches in protest to the discrimination against white people in America since the 1700s? Do you see how systemic racism has become entrenched and rampant as people haven’t voiced their concerns over scores and scores of years and done something about it?

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      • Pink David

         /  14th August 2020

        Five-year-old Cannon Hinnant was executed for riding across someones lawn. He was shot in the face at point blank range in front of his two sisters.

        No significant media organisation will cover this murder.

        Do you know why?

        Systemic racism. His is the wrong colour.

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      • Pink David

         /  14th August 2020

        “Do you think we should start street marches in protest to the discrimination against white people in America since the 1700s?”

        Is it wrong to discriminate against people because of their race?

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        • duperez

           /  14th August 2020

          If there were some decent research and posted each day of all the terrible things (by your perception) that happened to white people because of their race in the United States how many would there be? Including incidents which did not attract ‘significant media.’

          If you did twenty a day I reckon in the not too distant future the supplies would be exhausted. Moving on to doing the same each day about African Americans doing 50 a day, if done well and done each day, how long do think it’d be before the surface was more than scratched? You would put that down to media coverage?

          The relatively small percentage of African Americans in the population would make it even worse. (In the 1940 – 2010 period the average percentage of African Americans in the US population was 10.6%, the white population 83%.

          Every bad deed is a bad deed, I accept that. What I’m getting at is that I think putting up some case of a white person being mistreated for the colour of their skin as some sort of sob story to balance out the treatment African Americans have suffered for hundreds of years is pathetic.

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  8. Corky

     /  14th August 2020

    54% of people on Sean’s show will not get tested if they have to go into mandatory lockdown.

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    • We are told that only people with symptoms will be given it anyway, so it’s academic. There is no point in asking for one if the symptoms are not there.

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      • Duker

         /  14th August 2020

        No symptoms , no problems…those who are connected to high risk people can get one.
        “Higher Index of Suspicion (HIS) criteria
        Either, in the 14 days prior to illness onset have:

        had contact 3 with a confirmed or probable case
        had international travel
        had direct contact with a person who has travelled overseas (eg Customs and Immigration staff, staff at quarantine/isolation facilities)
        worked on an international aircraft or shipping vessel
        cleaned at an international airport or maritime port in areas/conveniences visited by international arrivals, or
        any other criteria requested by the local Medical Officer of Health

        I think we have had more tests this week than the whole first month

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        • Well, yes, contacts are tested. That goes without saying.

          But Ashley Blomfield said that people without symptoms shouldn’t be going to testing stations and using tests needed for those who are likely to have it.

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  9. duperez

     /  14th August 2020

    David Farrar had an interesting opinion piece on Stuff today. Well more weird than interesting. It’s about some Gerry Brownlee and Judith Collins comments this week.

    “OPINION: Yesterday, I watched the deputy leader of the Opposition get up in front of press (and in doing so, the whole of New Zealand) and say a bunch of loose statements, all in a very specific order, which basically insinuated that the Government knew a second lockdown was coming weeks ago. Essentially, that it had been planned.

    I was sad …
    “The media should ask their own questions,” Gerry’s boss, Judith Collins, the leader of the National Party, sniped at reporters.

    I was f….. off.

    What Brownlee was doing in that little standup was essentially an oral version of the meme that the QAnon-adjacent New Zealand Public Party (and various influencers) sent out yesterday. It was a dog whistle to this very crowd. …

    How did we get this way?

    How are we going down the exact same path already well trodden in the US? We’ve seen how that’s gone. And now here we are, too.

    I feel tired.”

    Gerry Brownlee and Judith Collins were playing the same game, the same way that David Farrar has done for years. He was sad, f….. off and feels tired? Really? Has the tawdriness of how he and they operate struck a chord somewhere deep in him? Did he have some sort of ethical tingle?

    Or was he just getting their name in lights, any publicity is good publicity style? And a chance to repeat their crap to boot?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300081923/im-just-outlining-facts-watching-new-zealand-getting-redpilled-in-real-time

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  10. lurcher1948

     /  14th August 2020

    Australia 15 deaths per million,NZ 4 per million and the people from the right say PM Jacinda Ardern is a little girl (40YO)and Mr Morrison has things under control…no flights to Hawaii.so the right are grasping at straws

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    • Corky

       /  14th August 2020

      Nothing about the election..is she scared? And has she made the RIGHT call to maintain the status quo?

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      • No, she said today’s decisions were on Covid response and the lockdowns, the election will be dealt with by Monday.

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        • Corky

           /  14th August 2020

          I should have stayed for the full briefing. Thanks. I feel sorry for her. She can’t win the election issue no matter what she decides.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  14th August 2020

            Staying at level 3 because she is still hoping for a Sept election. This thing is another happy-clappy church service from running amok.

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