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  1. I won’t be posting so much for a few days, sometimes possibly not at all, I have some other things to do. I have scheduled daily Open Forums.

    If anyone tries to take advantage of me not being around as much and breaches commenting protocols they may be put on auto moderation until I am back in action fully again.

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  2. artcroft

     /  15th August 2020

    Understood. Enjoy your time away.

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  3. artcroft

     /  15th August 2020

    David Seymour is on point today. “The Government set itself one job: test, trace and isolate the virus in three days. But it has failed, at a cost to all of us,” Seymour said.

    Seymour said the Government could no longer afford to lockdowns as its main response to Covid outbreaks.

    ”We need to have an honest conversation at that point about what our overall strategy is. One thing New Zealanders are very clear about today is they cannot afford a rolling maul of blunt and expensive lockdowns,” Seymour said.

    The man should be in parliament.

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  15th August 2020

    David Seymour the party of one,a gifted seat, never having to fight for it and never having to make the hard calls like PM Jacinda Ardern, and did i mention cannot afford his own home, his latest base, people who worship guns

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    • That is not true and never was.

      David is a very hard worker, as you’d know if you knew him. People are not given seats. He was voted in. If the people of Epsom didn’t want him, they wouldn’t keep voting for him.

      The gun thing is old and tired. Not true when you first said it, not true now, never will be.

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      • Blazer

         /  15th August 2020

        Everyone but you knows that National gift him the seat.

        He’s NZ’s version of an NRA advocate.

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  5. Blazer

     /  15th August 2020

    Stuff….’But butchers say they cannot afford to remain closed and are begging the Government to treat them as an essential business.

    Pippa Hawkins, general manager of Retail Meat New Zealand, said local butcheries had not recovered properly from having to dump meat ahead of the lockdown in March.

    ‘’As a result, many butchers had to write off stock costing them tens, and in some cases, hundreds of thousands of dollars.’’

    Butchers were beginning to recover; ‘’however, if their classification remains the same and we remain at Alert Level 3, many doors will never open again’’.

    Attn butchers…..put the meat in a FREEZER….don’t dump it.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  15th August 2020

      Lost value by freezing and cost of storage = dumping. But Government doesn’t care. Be kind only to itself.

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      • Would they have the freezer capacity, anyway?

        A local butcher kept trading in L4, undobbed in by anyone. I think that people rang up, ordered whatever it was and had it handed out to them.

        I am a vegetarian, repelled by the idea of eating meat, but I was apalled at the treatment of the butchers who, after being told that they were an essential service, having to dump millions of dollars worth of food. Meat was still sold in supermarkets. Why can’t the Akld ones do as the one here did, contactless sales ?

        We all heard about the young butcher who saw everything he’d worked for destroyed by L4 except, one assumes, his now unpayable debts, and killed himself.

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        • Duker

           /  15th August 2020

          Its level 3 not 4. Butchers can sell by putting desk with an eftpos machine by the door and people call out their order which is put on the table for them. Its a variation of the fast food model and takeways do it like that.
          Shop keepers only have to stop people from coming inside and no contact with staff.

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          • I was talking about L4, and butchers were ordered to dump the meat, as it was not an essential service. The day before, it had been one.

            The Retail Meat manager seems to think that they are not classified as essential busines; why is she asking for them to be classified as such if they already are?

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  15th August 2020

            My local bakery said they would close under level 3 conditions. It is simply uneconomic to operate like that.

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  6. Blazer

     /  15th August 2020

    another National party stalwart…old,pale and stale….reminds me of a few rabid internet posters…

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300082704/election-2020-roger-bridge-merv-from-manurewa-quits-national-party-board

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  15th August 2020

      Suspect those adjectives are self-referencing, B.

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      • Fight4nz

         /  15th August 2020

        “ So all you can do is diss the messenger with no attempt to address the content? That’s a bit of a lame diversionary habit.”

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  15th August 2020

          The content was merely lame, identity-politiking abuse which I addressed. As for Bridge’s actions afaics they were malevolent, incompetent and thoroughly stupid for which he has been disgraced and ejected. What else needs adding?

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          • Fight4nz

             /  15th August 2020

            Consistent with the National pattern of behaviour. You really believe he acted alone?

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  15th August 2020

              Yes, probably pissed as well, poor old bugger. You seem to have forgotten his target was another Nat. Did that one have the same pattern?

          • duperez

             /  15th August 2020

            I agree AW. It seems ‘an eye for an eye’ or the ‘pound of flesh’ was enough once upon a time. Chop off a finger or two and the situation was done and dusted.

            In the world of today, the civilised enlightened world, they aren’t enough. Kick the corpse again and if it moves kick it again. Probably bet that such kickers are quick to judge what excesses are in other parts of the world.

            Possibly the rationale will be that this is in the political realm and in that sphere anything is acceptable.

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    • artcroft

       /  15th August 2020

      Shame on you Blazer, no one should be judged by the colour of their skin or their age. I’m shocked you would stoop so low.

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      • Blazer

         /  15th August 2020

        Neither age or skin colour mentioned.

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        • Pink David

           /  15th August 2020

          “old,pale”

          Yeah, you did. You use this causal racism and then deny it. Sad.

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          • Blazer

             /  15th August 2020

            Is 35 ‘old’?

            Pale blue,green,white,……etc…

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            • Pink David

               /  15th August 2020

              You used the word. It means old.

              You did not call him pale blue. Nor pale green, Or even pale white.

              Just pale. If this was not racist, explain what you meant.

            • Blazer

               /  15th August 2020

              It can mean whatever you want it to mean..

              Your inclination assumes alot.

            • Pink David

               /  15th August 2020

              “It can mean whatever you want it to mean..”

              I asked what you intended it to mean,

            • Blazer

               /  15th August 2020

              As per my..reply.

        • Old and pale.

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          • Ours must have gone in at the same moment.

            He forgot ‘male’, he could have made the hat trick.

            Three cliches for the price of one.

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            • Blazer

               /  15th August 2020

              Maybe I should have said….young,tanned,and …vibrant’!

            • Maybe you should stop trying to deny what you wrote; it’s there with your name on it.

            • Blazer

               /  15th August 2020

              not denying ANYTHING!

              Are you…current..cake?

            • Pink David

               /  15th August 2020

              “not denying ANYTHING!”

              You specifically denied your own word here;

              “:Neither age or skin colour mentioned.:”

              In context,

              “National party stalwart…old,pale and stale”

              You are talking about a person being old and pale. Maybe you meant they are old and unwell.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  15th August 2020

      Interesting question is who outed “Merv” by tracing his call to the radio programme and whether that is common practice by media companies?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  15th August 2020

        Seems unlikely someone would search back through the call logs on the basis of the call itself. More likely that Bridge had called previously and got himself listed on the station’s caller directory which the got them wondering why he was calling himself “Merv”.

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        • Duker

           /  15th August 2020

          “Interesting question is who outed “Merv”
          Question has been answered… some one in National recognised his voice….backstabbing did the rest.
          Banks today has admitted he arranged the original “hone’ call to his talkback show . the MP was famous in the party for his ‘impersonations’ and often did them for talkback.

          “Someone within National must have pointed the “Merv” call out to Newshub. Though Roger Bridge is well known within the party, he is not widely known outside it, and very few people would recognise his voice when he disguised it. He is also known to be a critic of party president, Peter Goodfellow but is particularly close to Deputy Leader, Gerry Brownlee.”
          Continue reading at https://www.politik.co.nz/2020/08/11/merv-upsets-nats-auckland-central-selection/ | Politik

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      • Waste of time, Pink, Blazer will deny it till he’s black in the face, despite his words being there with his name on them.

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    • Corky

       /  15th August 2020

      Great speech by Judith. She doesn’t look as haggard as Jacinda is at the moment. A couple of days ago when Jacinda hit the podium she was running on empty.

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      • Fight4nz

         /  15th August 2020

        Honest work is harder of course.

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        • Corky

           /  15th August 2020

          Quite true. Judith doesn’t have the workload Jacinda has. Let’s hope the election gives Judith the chance to take over that worklaod and guide this once great nation.

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          • Blazer

             /  15th August 2020

            ‘ and guide this once great nation…….onto the….rocks of greed.’

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            • Corky

               /  15th August 2020

              Don’t project. Judith has yet to be the PM. Jacinda is the PM, and apart from being a A-List Hollywood actress, has little else to recommend her to the most important role in our country.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  15th August 2020

              Ambition improves the human condition, B. Even those without it often benefit.

            • A-List, Corks ?

              C-List, more like.

            • Blazer

               /  15th August 2020

              ‘It was true that I didn’t have much ambition, but there ought to be a place for people without ambition, I mean a better place than the one usually reserved. How in the hell could a man enjoy being awakened at 6:30 a.m. by an alarm clock, leap out of bed, dress, force-feed, shit, piss, brush teeth and hair, and fight traffic to get to a place where essentially you made lots of money for somebody else and were asked to be grateful for the opportunity to do so?”

              ― Charles Bukowski, Factotum

            • Corky

               /  15th August 2020

              My suggestion to Charlie( if he was still here) is – start your own business and stop whining. Seems simple to me. We aren’t talking material poverty here. We are talking psychological poverty.

            • Blazer

               /  15th August 2020

              Charlie has checked out….a raw,hard life of mostly penury.

              Became ‘famous late in life….and has a realist philosophy that cuts straight through perceptions like the American Dream-don’t try…no one…cares.

          • Fight4nz

             /  15th August 2020

            I said “honest work “. I think we all know that is outside Judith’s skill set.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  15th August 2020

              Pretty vile, even for a Lefty.

            • Duker

               /  15th August 2020

              Its not vile, she went to China for some meetings that were pre arranged to benefit her husbands business interests, without Key knowing about the ‘side meetings’. Thats what she called working for the taxpayers who paid for the trip. Key was rightly displeased. Then there was all that deep involvement with Slater and his blog…then quite a few in National were doing it.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  15th August 2020

              Why do you lie? She has been explicit in her book that she did inform Key. And her trip had other purposes.

            • Blazer

               /  15th August 2020

              ‘ She has been explicit in her book that she did inform Key.’

              say no more then!!!

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  15th August 2020

              How would you know better than her, B? Just another Lefty mud thrower?

            • Poor Blazer. It must be terrible to be so bitter and full of hate.

            • Blazer

               /  15th August 2020

              Poor Kitty….so full of envy and…spite.

            • Duker

               /  15th August 2020

              Funny that Key didnt know that at the time., but some years later JC asserts differently …as they always do in their ‘memoirs’
              Lots of documents gave a different version of what she said at the time….famously the meeting on the way to airport, was in fact in the other direction and on her embassy itinerary…but the memoirs .

          • She was totally exonerated, as is well known. Do try to keep up,

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            • duperez

               /  15th August 2020

              Exonerated of what? Illegal behaviour?

              Considering her behaviour in and around the events Duker talks about as being moral or ethical suggests a faulty discernment chip.n

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  15th August 2020

              What exactly was her moral transgression, dups?

            • Duker

               /  15th August 2020

              Exonerated of ‘sticky situation’ no one had heard about until they needed a straw man enquiry ,certainly wasnt in Hagers book.

              Reminds me of Casablanca… ’round up the usual suspects’ who are then ‘found’ to be not involved.

            • duperez

               /  15th August 2020

              AW

              I remember her on TV giving false accounts of what happened to do with a casual, incidental, informal get together for a cup of tea on the way to the airport.
              ——————–
              I’ve split off this subjective bit about the supercilious, ‘what’re you going to do about it?’ attitude on display. She was the Minister of Justice at the time. I appreciate I’m old-fashioned and naive and have quaint perspectives, but I was affronted that a Minister of Justice could be so brazen. Have you ever been in courtrooms to observe the significance of the truth?

              Just recently when her book came out one of the themes in the headlines was her saying that John Key ‘threw her under the bus.’

              I’m not referring to the propriety of her dealings with Oravida as a member of Parliament or a Minister but her using her position to give the finger to honesty. If I say she is morally bankrupt maybe I don’t have to even look back to her famous trip to China. The recent discussion about the book addresses some of the tra las about Key and the business side of events and the notion that poor Judith had been chucked under the bus. There didn’t seem to be so much about a realisation of inexcusable telling of stories.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  15th August 2020

              Poor old Blazer; so full of spite and envy that he can’t believe that other people are not like this. It’s a sad case.

              He seems to think that disliking someone means that one envies them. It’s the opposite, of course. Who’d want to be like someone they dislike?

              His own envy of anyone who’s successful, especially at making money, means that he has to sneer at them and put them down and could hardly be more obvious.

              His lies, accusations and abuse of me have been deleted many times, but he never seems to learn.

            • Blazer

               /  15th August 2020

              ‘Poor Kitty….so full of envy and…spite.

              Do I have to write your lines for you now….


              ‘Poor old Blazer; so full of spite and envy’

  7. lurcher1948

     /  15th August 2020

    You have to wonder about those Australians…OR…maybe not
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfVpKY7U0AAEwnF?format=jpg&name=small

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  8. Jack

     /  15th August 2020

    Telling stories is the way to go.
    If a woman of Judith’s strength still felt strongly about that incident years later, the story obviously needed told. Didn’t she also say she’d been kind to JK in the telling? Probably too kind.
    I like how Judith said she doesn’t go in for the old boys club way of doing politics. Good on her. It would be great to have her have a go at being our PM.

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      • Jack

         /  15th August 2020

        Hi Dup, yes I looked at that a week ago. If anything, it reminds us to beware the communists. Probably Judith learned the hard way.
        In unfamiliar territory and with having to chat to strangers it would be quite easy to get the idea that the long way to the airport was a part of the agreed itinerary. Media latch on to irrelevancies.
        I hope all our politicians have their eyes wide open re communists. Judith isn’t the only one to have had close scrapes.

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        • Jack

           /  15th August 2020

          More of a concern to me was that Judith didn’t know the price of cheese. I hoped that she was thinking of a few grams when she gave her answer rather than the kilo in the quick fire question.
          I agree with you that we need a humble leader. It seems to me that Judith can take herself not too seriously. Jacinda acts that way but is in actuality the opposite imo. She won’t like not being darlingfied. Wannabe saviours are like that.

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        • duperez

           /  15th August 2020

          I get that. Judith Collins acting like amoral scum with no values means we must beware of communists. I get it that Judith Collins acting like that over a period shows that media latch on to irrelevancies. And that telling stories is the way to go.

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        • Corky

           /  16th August 2020

          Great debate guys. Keep the good work up.

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          • duperez

             /  16th August 2020

            Just trying to tee up an opportunity for you to tell us what a great leader Collins is and a model of moral superiority.

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        • Blazer

           /  16th August 2020

          Beware what Communists….not hiding under your bed are they?

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  9. Blazer

     /  15th August 2020

    cruzy…

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