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David
/ 21st August 2020https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300087746/why-is-national-struggling-to-convince-voters
Given this was written by a university lecturer in social sciences I wasnt holding out much hope that it wouldnt be crap, its actually quite thoughtful and insightful in places (luke malpass should take notes) and often right on the mark. Our politics intersect exactly nowhere.
He is wrong about a change in direction with the rise of Corbyn and Sanders as they have largely been rejected and if he dismisses the rise of Act he hasnt looked at the fall of the Greens which is a definite move to the centre. Also missed is a nod to Arderns governing in a very similar way to Key and Clark as a very centerist PM, the only time she veers off to the left is in a tokenistic way that keeps her fan boys excited but makes no fundamental change to the way the place is run.
He misses the fact that we are a small isolated country with a huge natural border and a compliant populace acting in its own self interest as a factor alongside her exceptional communication.
But its a good read from a lefty who is not just another lefty reporter spouting the same boring rote opinions.
David
/ 21st August 2020I see the countries most open and transparent government has refused to make Bloomfield available to address the health select committee.
A bit of scrutiny may help, you know the reason why we have select committees and Louisa Walls excuse that he is available for media questions at a press conference is a bloody constitutional outrage.
lurcher1948
/ 21st August 2020Suck it up David,why should the discredit national party filled with “mervs” shred his efforts saving NZ in the hope it raises Ms Collins profile and voters liking of her.
Blazer
/ 21st August 2020It is not an outrage at all.
A select committee appearance by Bloomfield is not necessary….National reek of desperation.
lurcher1948
/ 21st August 2020Internal polls show that Ms Collins isn’t making the headway to survive and the next cab of the National rank is been driven up,if he replaces JLR
but then this could be fake news
artcroft
/ 21st August 2020Actually we do need to hear from him because there is a govt testing strategy and a MoH testing strategy. So Chris H is there to tell the committee what the Govt thinks is happening, while Ashley is required to relate what is actually happening.
Patzcuaro
/ 21st August 2020More grift in the Trump swamp as Bannon arrested for stealing money raised for Trump’s Wall.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/20/former-trump-aide-bannon-charged-with-swindling-donors-in-private-border-wall-effort-399215
duperez
/ 21st August 2020Do you think that sometime in his second term Trump will pardon Bannon? (If he is found guilty.)
Patzcuaro
/ 21st August 2020Probably depends on how much mud Bannon has on Trump, that is the currency in the swamp.
artcroft
/ 21st August 2020I think he’s been charged by New York State and Trump can only offer pardons for federal convictions.
david in aus
/ 21st August 2020Trump is very unlikely to win a second term.
Trump is also likely to charged with crimes after leaving office. While he is president, he has limited immunity. This is why Robert Muller did not investigate Trump.
Seven associates charged with crimes already, they all lead to Trump.
Call me Ishmael...
/ 21st August 2020It poses an interesting dilemma for Trump. If he pardons Bannon, he will essentially be condoning a scheme that swindled his own supporters.
Patzcuaro
/ 21st August 2020There is even a NZ connection with Bannon arrested on the super yacht owned by a fugitive Chinese billionaire. The original idea for the super yacht was conceived by Neville Crichton a Sydney based NZ businessman.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/08/this-is-the-very-expensive-yacht-steve-bannon-got-arrested-on/
Duker
/ 21st August 2020Crichton was just a previous owner of that boat. Super yatchts of various typed have been around even in the 1930s. When JP Morgan Snr died he had one as an asset.
The explosion of rich people and tax havens for them to ‘register’ the boat away from tax collectors eyes just made them more common. This Lady May isnt even a particular big one at 150 ft, its the entry level for the seriously rich. Oligarchs have them at 150 metres not feet
Duker
/ 21st August 2020I think you meant the ‘super maxi’ sailing yachts…I was thinking motor Yacht – MY
Alan Wilkinson
/ 21st August 2020Obviously Bannon’s crime was setting up a fund to support a Trump policy. For that he has been pursued and targeted by the Democrat political legal swamp. Such is law and politics in the US today.
Duker
/ 21st August 2020Bannon spent some of it on his lavish life style… They come down hard in US on fake charities.
Even Trump had a fake charity which he used for his benefit…( look it up) .and a fake University.( look it up) They will coming after him hard once hes out of the White House , his tax returns are the first step to revealing the fraudulent real estate operations he had ( look it up).
New York state could have him in Sing Sing within 5 years
Alan Wilkinson
/ 21st August 2020When was the last time a Democrat Attorney-General pursued a Democrat politician or aide?
Pink David
/ 21st August 2020“They come down hard in US on fake charities.”
Does that include the Clinton Foundation?
Duker
/ 21st August 2020Clearly not a fake Charity …NZ government during Nationals time funded it !
hahahahaha
“The New Zealand government will continue supporting the Clinton Foundation’s flagship project by donating a further $6 million despite a wave of recent controversy surrounding the charitable organisation.” from 2016 in NBR
https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/taxpayers-will-continue-funding-clinton-foundation%E2%80%99s-flagship-jw-p-194939
Pink David
/ 21st August 2020“Clearly not a fake Charity …NZ government during Nationals time funded it !”
Yes. NZ gave money to the Clintons. I’d guess they did this for the same reason so many other countries gave money to the Clintons. For that same reason, they all stopped giving when Hillary lost the election.
Funny that.
You do realise that I’m not a National supporter, and that I do not endorse things just because ‘National did it’?
Your Red Team/Blue Team nonsense is your burden, not mine.
duperez
/ 21st August 2020There have been many reports over time about Mexica Wall and coronavirus contracts being awarded to awarded to Trump’s friends. With billions to be made it is the way things work.
A contract to a company that never had to bid? “The Trump administration has rushed through more than $760 million in contracts outside the usual bidding process during its haphazard coronavirus response. It’s highly unusual for the White House to step into FEMA’s supply bidding process.”
https://www.propublica.org/article/the-white-house-pushed-fema-to-give-its-biggest-coronavirus-contract-to-a-company-that-never-had-to-bid
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/border-wall-contract-trump-fisher-sand-gravel-north-dakota-42-miles/
Call me Ishmael...
/ 21st August 2020Alan’s comment takes the cake for a head-smackingly dumb take on Bannon’s arrest. He just can’t accept that Trump and his mob of criminals are anything less than God-like.
And here we are: the final day of the Democratic Convention begins with Steve Bannon getting arrested for wire fraud and money laundering conspiracies, the third of Trump’s three 2016 campaign managers to face criminal charges.
Fraud. It’s always been the cornerstone of all things Trump. Whether it’s Eric scamming a children’s cancer charity or Trump scamming University students or veterans or the IRS, his money-laundering through the Taj Mahal or his NRA buddies scamming their own members, fraud is front and centre with Trump and his cluster-fuck of criminal associates.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 21st August 2020Raised $20+m, spent 2.5% on salaries. Doesn’t sound egregiously extraordinary to me but then I’m not a rabid Lefty.
Patzcuaro
/ 21st August 2020I thought it was loony lefties and rabid righties
Alan Wilkinson
/ 21st August 2020Some Lefties bite, Patz.
Fight4nz
/ 22nd August 2020But Borrowdale is a freedom fighter, right?
Alan Wilkinson
/ 22nd August 2020I think he was trying to clarify the legal limits of our freedoms, yes. But ultimately they depend on the public’s will to defend them and there’s only faint signs of that. Too many years of socialist indoctrination.
artcroft
/ 21st August 2020From DPF
“And now he says that the Ministry of Health’s testing strategy is somehow different to the Government’s testing strategy. A new level of Mickey Mouse. How can the Government have a different testing strategy to the Ministry of Health that implements it?”
If so it’s damning. we’ll see if the press follow up on it, or bury it.
Corky
/ 21st August 2020Maybe one test is medical.. and one test is political. That’s about the only sense I can make out of this travesty. The government is doing things that defy reality and common sense.
artcroft
/ 21st August 2020Jacinda has only two tricks in her bag; hold a press conference and close down an industry.
Climate change; Close Taranaki gas fields and hold press conference.
Tio Tinto: Close smelter and hold press conference
Covid: Close country and hold press conference
Managing the press: Appear on woman’s mag covers, then close down same magazines, hold press conference.
Blazer
/ 21st August 2020and yet she has done NONE of those things!
Duker
/ 21st August 2020Hes been listening to Mikey
The previous level 4 lockdown and the current lockdowns are supported by all parties in parliament.
Hows that for bi partisan consensus…..how good is Jacinda
Kitty Catkin
/ 21st August 2020So who did decide that magazines and local newspapers were ‘inessential’ during lockdown ?
duperez
/ 21st August 2020In terms of making a case, what you say is like going into a ritzy Auckland car place with the total sum of a 1994 Ford Laser to trade and 20c in your pocket and expecting to walk out with the latest Jag F-PACE.
Griff.
/ 21st August 2020Gee look at the bullshit
The gas feilds in taranaki are not closed. The only change is no new permits to explore. Taranaki was all opened for exploration decades ago
The smelter is being closed by Rio Tinto because the government will not give them more subsidies. This was national policy as well.
Duker
/ 21st August 2020Not only that, but the major oil explorer off shore abandoned its exploration leases and shut up shop…something about low oil prices
Those due money from collapsed oil and gas explorer Tamarind Taranaki aren’t likely to see any of the $360m the company owes, the boss of the New Plymouth chamber of commerce says.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118332123/tamarind-taranaki-placed-into-liquidation-after-watershed-meeting-with-creditors
The other one OMV has stopped its exploration too
Griff.
/ 21st August 2020You note the actual provable reality gets down ticked .
Current Exploration permits.
http://data.nzpam.govt.nz/permitwebmaps/?commodity=petroleum
Rights of existing t permit holders .
Key says Government won’t add to NZ$30 million of support given to Rio Tinto to keep Tiwai Pt open
https://www.interest.co.nz/news/76236/key-says-government-wont-add-nz30-million-support-given-rio-tinto-keep-tiwai-pt-open-govt
Right wing nutbars can not cope with the real world.
A bunch of loons living in lala land.
Duker
/ 21st August 2020DPF says ?
Whos the puppet master there
Alan Wilkinson
/ 21st August 2020Excellent piece from Bob Jones:
https://nopunchespulled.com/2020/08/20/the-deification-of-jacinda/
Duker
/ 21st August 2020Who was the economic Rock Star ?
Who was the Crusher ?
Go ahead tell us who was playing in the ‘look at me’ sandbox many years before
Jones likes to court politicians at his Lower Hutt estate- and name drop those who did-, probably JA has told him ‘too busy’ to come to dinner…in reality its a generation thing.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 21st August 2020Reality is not your strong point. Faced with the easiest border on the planet to control Jacinda has locked down the nation, turned visa non-processing into an inhuman nightmare, demonstrated the incompetence of her ministers and health bureaucracy, abysmally failed to implement a housing policy and has spent money like water to try to compensate and win the election. That is reality.
Alan Foster
/ 21st August 2020Wilco – maybe the Govt, Border Control, Police & Army are not perfect but which country would you like to be living in at the moment?
Alan Wilkinson
/ 21st August 2020Of course I prefer to live in my own country not knowing the alternatives well enough but with a more competent government and electorate.
Duker
/ 21st August 2020Conditions are exactly the same in Australia and many other countries..its not something the government has thought up all on its own
and of course Greens , NZ First , National, ACT all support the lockdowns.
Ever wondered why ?
Duker
/ 21st August 2020Both Melbourne and Sydney have had hotel guards infected
We detected the maintenance guy was positive and that may have been because he was ‘in a lift after a infected person’
The community cluster hasnt been linked to any particular travellor and maybe aircrew or others who arent isolation any way
Kitty Catkin
/ 21st August 2020ACT and National supported the original lockdown, trustingly believing that it was to be for the four weeks that were announced.. Neither party supports going in and out of lockdown at a moment’s notice rather than using testing and effective quarantine.
NB; PDTs, a moment’s notice is a figure of speech, NOT used literally.
lurcher1948
/ 21st August 2020That rather thick,orange Mr trump again badmouthed, my country NZ again and to think there are people on this blog, who worship this person
Alan Wilkinson
/ 21st August 2020See above:
https://yournz.org/2020/08/21/open-forum-friday-256/#comment-443471
Duker
/ 21st August 2020Compare NZ now with ‘one of the smallest states’- Rhode island with 1 mill pop.
Daily deaths around 1 ..NZ None There total is over 1000, ours was around 25.
Daily new cases around 100 Ours between 5 and 10 and falling. Back in May it was 1500 new cases per day
And thats one of the ‘better states’ currently in US
Alan Wilkinson
/ 21st August 2020Note a minor difference in population density and border traffic?
Patzcuaro
/ 21st August 2020Has Trump made any statements that are true or does he just spew out fake news?
Alan Wilkinson
/ 21st August 2020Demonstrating the uselessness of the justice system:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12356768
Duker
/ 21st August 2020Personality disorder ….what did you think the prison and justice system does – rehabilitate people …thats so funny
Alan Wilkinson
/ 21st August 2020I think it mostly wastes time, money and lives pointlessly.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 21st August 2020… while principally serving the interests of the professionals who run it.
lurcher1948
/ 21st August 2020I feel this is the reason PM Jacinda Ardern will never appear on Sean Plunket’s rant show
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/97849757/sean-plunkets-future-with-the-bsa-in-question-after-harvey-weinsten-tweet#:~:text=Sean%20Plunket%20resigns%20from%20BSA%20board%20after%20Harvey%20Weinstein%20tweet,-Glenn%20McConnell17&text=Sean%20Plunket%20has%20resigned%20from,disgraced%20movie%20mogul%20Harvey%20Weinstein.
Corky
/ 21st August 2020Talkback is now tracking ANGER!!!!!
1- Bees starve to death because the bee-keeper was not allowed past the regional border.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/rural/2020/08/coronavirus-millions-of-bees-starve-to-death-as-beekeepers-held-up-at-covid-19-checkpoints.html
2- A woman representing a company from Queenstown related how in MARCH her company offered the government antibody test kits. These had been certified by independent testing. The government declined because they couldn’t be sure these test were legit. That’s fair enough. So this company sent their kits to the DSIR for testing. The DSIR said they couldn’t do testing because they did not have a Serum Bank.( this fact may catch out the government having lied over other issues). So this company sold these kits to the public before they were shut down by the government under the medicines act. Why?
At no time did this woman say this was the only test needed, and that it should always be used in conjunction with other testing. Talkback is presently waiting for a response from the government.
Duker
/ 21st August 2020Are you angling for a show along with Bennett Banks and other has beens on Magic Talk ?
Corky
/ 21st August 2020Are you still evading reality like your gummint? Thousands of votes each day now heading in the RIGHT direction.
duperez
/ 21st August 2020I can’t think of why you are at home on a talkback drip when you could be getting in touch with agencies up and down the country offering your services as a helper.
You have so many answers to so many things and know where help is needed. Much could be done on line. There are even jobs for Intelligence Analysts these days.
Think of the personal joy the uplifting experience of making altruistic offers would be. And think of the bliss of moving from the savage hole of whingeback radio to doing something positive. Or merely escaping it.
Corky
/ 21st August 2020”I can’t think of why you are at home on a talkback drip when you could be getting in touch with agencies up and down the country offering your services as a helper.”
What makes you think I’m at home on a TB drip? Or that I don’t help charities, both financially and help wise? I said before, there’s an art to listening to talkback. I definitely wouldn’t want to be listening all the time.
”You have so many answers to so many things and know where help is needed. Much could be done on line. There are even jobs for Intelligence Analysts these days.”
I definitely could help the country with a modified sugar pill, as I wrote previously. However, what’s the use? You are among posters who have laughed at some of the ideas and experiences I have related. You are an example of what the woman I quoted above had to contend with. And she has something at least most people can get their heads around.
Can you imagine:
Hello, my name is Corky and I have something that may be able to treat and stop Covid.
What’s would that be, sir?
Well, it’s a modified sugar pill…
Sir, any fool knows a sugar pill is used in drug trials and by doctors with hypochondriac patients. A sugar pill is inert and cannot affect any human conditions.
But..this pill has been..
Good day, sir. If you contact this office again, the police will be called.
Yep, not good, eh,Duperez. Lol
As an aside..any comment about the two stories I posted on.🤔😮
duperez
/ 21st August 2020Comment on the stories? Of course.
Everything would be better if you were everywhere making all the decisions. Like in those described.You would invariably do everything better than the people in the situations in the media. Every story of course has all angles and all factors from all perspectives.
The bees and other recent farming scenarios in the Waikato? You would have all citizens doing whatever they wanted. Or all officials on the ground being told, “do what you think needs to be done, use your common sense.” The only rule – do what you think is best.
Or maybe you’d have guidelines, and textbooks and regulations written to cover every scenario and situation in life written years ago and continually, rigorously updated. Or maybe not, fearing backlash from those opposed to rule by regulation and textbook and over-control.
But if there weren’t rules and paint-by-numbers processes and something happened, down to individuals on the ground using their own judgement, you’d be screaming about the necessity for accountability and lines of command and control.
If you were in charge everything would be perfect. People would not do dumb things.
The big loss then would be the media would have nothing to work on.
Instead of having a few instances to fill their spaces and redden some necks more, and 40 trillion good things happening in a week to ignore, they’d have 40 trillion plus a few more good things happening. Talkback radio would be dead and deadshit hosts on them would have to get real jobs.
Corky
/ 21st August 2020As an aside..any comment on the two stories I posted?🤔
Being sarcastic and abusive and a general prat is not a comment on the two stories involved.
duperez
/ 21st August 2020The two stories only have relevance in they are just more examples of if you were in there or in charge things would have been done better. (Regardless of the fact that those are only media accounts with their particular perspectives.)
Tomorrow there will be more, the days after that more, where people don’t perform to your standards of perfection of excellence.
Corky
/ 21st August 2020Translation: He’s posting stories that cannot be defended against. Best I try another tack by deflecting while hitting back at the same time.
The sly ways of a socialist.
Corky
/ 21st August 2020Socialism in one easy lesson. In this example we have the reality being hidden by the lies.
This sounds familiar.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/08/kim-jong-un-orders-confiscated-pet-dogs-to-be-slaughtered-for-meat-report.html
Duker
/ 21st August 2020This should brighten Kittys day…she always so gloomy
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122519593/suicide-rate-shows-slight-drop-after-recordhigh-year
‘l showed 654 people died from suicide in the year to June 2020, a drop of 31 deaths from the 2019 total of 685, which was the highest number ever recorded since records began.”
Covers most of the covid lockdown period …would be interesting to look at the quarter on its own as I supsect thats where most of the reduction in suicides came from.
BE KIND has worked in many many ways
Thats what Ive been saying for some time , Lockdown has ‘saved’ many lives for circumstances different to being infected.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 21st August 2020Possibly doing nothing while being paid has better outcomes than doing nothing while not being paid after Jacinda has bought her reelection?
Duker
/ 21st August 2020Bought re-election …budget amounts voted for by National too.
How good is Jacinda..getting the opposition to vote for the ‘bought election’
hahahahaha
Alan Wilkinson
/ 21st August 2020Sure. When you’ve driven the bus over the cliff everyone has to vote for the ambulance. That ranks as political genius for the Left.
Duker
/ 21st August 2020What cliff ? Unemployment will be far less than that bought on by Ruth Richardsons ‘mother of all budgets’ ( around the 11% level)
Alan Wilkinson
/ 21st August 2020What percentage were on 80% wage subsidy?
Blazer
/ 21st August 2020So how have your heroes Johnson in the U.K and Trump in the U.S fared….where would you rather be…..this ‘shithole’ or….!!
Alan Wilkinson
/ 21st August 2020We are in lockdown, they are not. Ours will last years, theirs a month or two.
Blazer
/ 21st August 2020When did you first realise you could see into the…future?
Duker
/ 21st August 2020Guess who might have to shut up shop is a company liquidator ?
He writes a newspaper column where is he freely tells what went wrong with this government
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300087802/26yearold-convictions-could-end-insolvency-practitioner-damien-grants-career
From September 1, a new regulatory regime means all insolvency practitioners must be licensed by an accredited body.
Those who are not chartered accountants, such as Grant, must apply to the Restructuring, Insolvency and Turnaround Association of NZ (Ritanz) to be allowed to continue practising.
in reality he will use ‘lawfare’ to keep going.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 21st August 2020You think 26 years is not a long enough penance after serving out court sentences? You must have a political motive.
Duker
/ 21st August 2020hes a blowhard in the subjects in his columns
Most of those professional bodies have good character requirements, theres been a loophole exploited for some doing insolvency work because they didnt require it. I dont know that there was problems with his business. he employs lawyers and accountants .
Plenty of professionals get punishments from the courts but then get booted out of their profession as well , even teachers who get drink driving etc. law and medical students who have convictions cant practice
So he cant say hes being treated differently to other profession, but now the boot is on the other foot he wants to become ‘special people’ whom the existing rules dont apply.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 21st August 2020You can produce a case of a professional booted out for an offence committed and sentenced for 26 years ago? No, didn’t think so.
Duker
/ 21st August 2020The professional body has just been created…all the others have been around for ever. So there is no comparisons.
There is a detailed legal requirement for lawyers and accountants and probably insolvency.
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2006/0001/latest/DLM365774.html
he will have to convince the judge hes become an angel. All those years should make a difference but there could be matters that arise during the court ?
Automatic !
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10731661
Alan Wilkinson
/ 21st August 2020There are those who recognise their own failings and those who don’t, Duker. I generally prefer the former.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 21st August 2020US infections are falling rapidly and deaths are also heading down. Somehow this is no longer Trump’s fault. It’s only his fault when they go up. Like it’s only Jacinda’s genius when ours go down. The Left is so transparent.
Duker
/ 21st August 2020Lockdowns are the reason, or does the virus read your comments and have a lightbulb moment ?
Qurantine measures have been around for centuries. jJcindas genius is looking at what works and advised by knowledgeable people and it did work in NZ.
Her genius was such that ACT and National support it… Mikey was against it , then supported it and then back to against it. And hes a germaphobe like Trump
Pink David
/ 21st August 2020“Lockdowns are the reason, or does the virus read your comments and have a lightbulb moment ?”
If your theory is correct, then when the lockdown is opened up again, Covid will increase again.
How do you get out?
Kitty Catkin
/ 21st August 2020National and ACT do not support the PM’s ‘genius’ as should be obvious to anyone who watches the news.
They do not support the crass incompetence that has led to the new lockdown. They do not support the lies about the number of border workers tested.
The PM’s victim blaming – border workers refused tests – is a low blow. She softened it (or tried to) later, but by that time the lie had been exposed by the workers themselves who said that they had wanted the tests but been refused.
Duker
/ 21st August 2020ACT has said via Seymour that they support the new lockdowns. I think its pro forma as they would torn to shreds if they said what they really think.
, they want to sit on the fence though and have it both ways but not be like Sweden … or something
Same as Judith Collins
Duker
/ 21st August 2020US deaths have been increasing – last Month they were the only western country to increase by 25%
US 24.5%
Sweden 3.0%
Belgium 1.5%
Italy 1.1%
France 0.9%
Spain 0.8%
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/08/covid_deaths_increase_in_the_last_month.html
Wait till winter comes in US !
Pink David
/ 21st August 2020Lots more deaths coming in New York then Duker? Is that your predicition?
Alan Wilkinson
/ 21st August 2020Look at the charts and don’t cherry pick. They are trending down again following the infections:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Duker
/ 21st August 2020Tell that to Farrar .. hes predicting 250,000 dead total before end of year.
these say almost 295,000 be end of year
https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america
They dont see’ trending down either ‘ with more than100K per day new cases
AUG 1 153K DEAD
SEPT 1 185K
Alan Wilkinson
/ 22nd August 2020They don’t “see” anything but their own fantastic projections. Try looking at the actual data I linked.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 21st August 2020Lecturer to be sacked for offending looters:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122528271/university-of-canterbury-launches-investigation-into-lecturers-online-comments