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  1. David

     /  21st August 2020

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300087746/why-is-national-struggling-to-convince-voters

    Given this was written by a university lecturer in social sciences I wasnt holding out much hope that it wouldnt be crap, its actually quite thoughtful and insightful in places (luke malpass should take notes) and often right on the mark. Our politics intersect exactly nowhere.
    He is wrong about a change in direction with the rise of Corbyn and Sanders as they have largely been rejected and if he dismisses the rise of Act he hasnt looked at the fall of the Greens which is a definite move to the centre. Also missed is a nod to Arderns governing in a very similar way to Key and Clark as a very centerist PM, the only time she veers off to the left is in a tokenistic way that keeps her fan boys excited but makes no fundamental change to the way the place is run.
    He misses the fact that we are a small isolated country with a huge natural border and a compliant populace acting in its own self interest as a factor alongside her exceptional communication.
    But its a good read from a lefty who is not just another lefty reporter spouting the same boring rote opinions.

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  2. David

     /  21st August 2020

    I see the countries most open and transparent government has refused to make Bloomfield available to address the health select committee.
    A bit of scrutiny may help, you know the reason why we have select committees and Louisa Walls excuse that he is available for media questions at a press conference is a bloody constitutional outrage.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  21st August 2020

      Suck it up David,why should the discredit national party filled with “mervs” shred his efforts saving NZ in the hope it raises Ms Collins profile and voters liking of her.

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    • Blazer

       /  21st August 2020

      It is not an outrage at all.
      A select committee appearance by Bloomfield is not necessary….National reek of desperation.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  21st August 2020

        Internal polls show that Ms Collins isn’t making the headway to survive and the next cab of the National rank is been driven up,if he replaces JLR
        but then this could be fake news

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      • artcroft

         /  21st August 2020

        Actually we do need to hear from him because there is a govt testing strategy and a MoH testing strategy. So Chris H is there to tell the committee what the Govt thinks is happening, while Ashley is required to relate what is actually happening.

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  3. Patzcuaro

     /  21st August 2020

    More grift in the Trump swamp as Bannon arrested for stealing money raised for Trump’s Wall.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/20/former-trump-aide-bannon-charged-with-swindling-donors-in-private-border-wall-effort-399215

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    • duperez

       /  21st August 2020

      Do you think that sometime in his second term Trump will pardon Bannon? (If he is found guilty.)

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  21st August 2020

        Probably depends on how much mud Bannon has on Trump, that is the currency in the swamp.

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      • artcroft

         /  21st August 2020

        I think he’s been charged by New York State and Trump can only offer pardons for federal convictions.

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      • david in aus

         /  21st August 2020

        Trump is very unlikely to win a second term.

        Trump is also likely to charged with crimes after leaving office. While he is president, he has limited immunity. This is why Robert Muller did not investigate Trump.
        Seven associates charged with crimes already, they all lead to Trump.

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      • It poses an interesting dilemma for Trump. If he pardons Bannon, he will essentially be condoning a scheme that swindled his own supporters.

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  21st August 2020

      There is even a NZ connection with Bannon arrested on the super yacht owned by a fugitive Chinese billionaire. The original idea for the super yacht was conceived by Neville Crichton a Sydney based NZ businessman.

      https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/08/this-is-the-very-expensive-yacht-steve-bannon-got-arrested-on/

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      • Duker

         /  21st August 2020

        Crichton was just a previous owner of that boat. Super yatchts of various typed have been around even in the 1930s. When JP Morgan Snr died he had one as an asset.
        The explosion of rich people and tax havens for them to ‘register’ the boat away from tax collectors eyes just made them more common. This Lady May isnt even a particular big one at 150 ft, its the entry level for the seriously rich. Oligarchs have them at 150 metres not feet

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        • Duker

           /  21st August 2020

          I think you meant the ‘super maxi’ sailing yachts…I was thinking motor Yacht – MY

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  21st August 2020

      Obviously Bannon’s crime was setting up a fund to support a Trump policy. For that he has been pursued and targeted by the Democrat political legal swamp. Such is law and politics in the US today.

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      • Duker

         /  21st August 2020

        Bannon spent some of it on his lavish life style… They come down hard in US on fake charities.
        Even Trump had a fake charity which he used for his benefit…( look it up) .and a fake University.( look it up) They will coming after him hard once hes out of the White House , his tax returns are the first step to revealing the fraudulent real estate operations he had ( look it up).
        New York state could have him in Sing Sing within 5 years

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  21st August 2020

          When was the last time a Democrat Attorney-General pursued a Democrat politician or aide?

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        • Pink David

           /  21st August 2020

          “They come down hard in US on fake charities.”

          Does that include the Clinton Foundation?

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          • Duker

             /  21st August 2020

            Clearly not a fake Charity …NZ government during Nationals time funded it !
            hahahahaha
            “The New Zealand government will continue supporting the Clinton Foundation’s flagship project by donating a further $6 million despite a wave of recent controversy surrounding the charitable organisation.” from 2016 in NBR
            https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/taxpayers-will-continue-funding-clinton-foundation%E2%80%99s-flagship-jw-p-194939

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            • Pink David

               /  21st August 2020

              “Clearly not a fake Charity …NZ government during Nationals time funded it !”

              Yes. NZ gave money to the Clintons. I’d guess they did this for the same reason so many other countries gave money to the Clintons. For that same reason, they all stopped giving when Hillary lost the election.

              Funny that.

              You do realise that I’m not a National supporter, and that I do not endorse things just because ‘National did it’?

              Your Red Team/Blue Team nonsense is your burden, not mine.

      • duperez

         /  21st August 2020

        There have been many reports over time about Mexica Wall and coronavirus contracts being awarded to awarded to Trump’s friends. With billions to be made it is the way things work.

        A contract to a company that never had to bid? “The Trump administration has rushed through more than $760 million in contracts outside the usual bidding process during its haphazard coronavirus response. It’s highly unusual for the White House to step into FEMA’s supply bidding process.”

        https://www.propublica.org/article/the-white-house-pushed-fema-to-give-its-biggest-coronavirus-contract-to-a-company-that-never-had-to-bid

        https://www.cbsnews.com/news/border-wall-contract-trump-fisher-sand-gravel-north-dakota-42-miles/

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      • Alan’s comment takes the cake for a head-smackingly dumb take on Bannon’s arrest. He just can’t accept that Trump and his mob of criminals are anything less than God-like.

        And here we are: the final day of the Democratic Convention begins with Steve Bannon getting arrested for wire fraud and money laundering conspiracies, the third of Trump’s three 2016 campaign managers to face criminal charges.

        Fraud. It’s always been the cornerstone of all things Trump. Whether it’s Eric scamming a children’s cancer charity or Trump scamming University students or veterans or the IRS, his money-laundering through the Taj Mahal or his NRA buddies scamming their own members, fraud is front and centre with Trump and his cluster-fuck of criminal associates.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  21st August 2020

          Raised $20+m, spent 2.5% on salaries. Doesn’t sound egregiously extraordinary to me but then I’m not a rabid Lefty.

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      • Fight4nz

         /  22nd August 2020

        But Borrowdale is a freedom fighter, right?

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  22nd August 2020

          I think he was trying to clarify the legal limits of our freedoms, yes. But ultimately they depend on the public’s will to defend them and there’s only faint signs of that. Too many years of socialist indoctrination.

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  4. artcroft

     /  21st August 2020

    From DPF
    “And now he says that the Ministry of Health’s testing strategy is somehow different to the Government’s testing strategy. A new level of Mickey Mouse. How can the Government have a different testing strategy to the Ministry of Health that implements it?”

    If so it’s damning. we’ll see if the press follow up on it, or bury it.

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    • Duker

       /  21st August 2020

      Who was the economic Rock Star ?
      Who was the Crusher ?
      Go ahead tell us who was playing in the ‘look at me’ sandbox many years before
      Jones likes to court politicians at his Lower Hutt estate- and name drop those who did-, probably JA has told him ‘too busy’ to come to dinner…in reality its a generation thing.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  21st August 2020

        Reality is not your strong point. Faced with the easiest border on the planet to control Jacinda has locked down the nation, turned visa non-processing into an inhuman nightmare, demonstrated the incompetence of her ministers and health bureaucracy, abysmally failed to implement a housing policy and has spent money like water to try to compensate and win the election. That is reality.

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        • Alan Foster

           /  21st August 2020

          Wilco – maybe the Govt, Border Control, Police & Army are not perfect but which country would you like to be living in at the moment?

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  21st August 2020

            Of course I prefer to live in my own country not knowing the alternatives well enough but with a more competent government and electorate.

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            • Duker

               /  21st August 2020

              Conditions are exactly the same in Australia and many other countries..its not something the government has thought up all on its own
              and of course Greens , NZ First , National, ACT all support the lockdowns.
              Ever wondered why ?

          • Duker

             /  21st August 2020

            Both Melbourne and Sydney have had hotel guards infected
            We detected the maintenance guy was positive and that may have been because he was ‘in a lift after a infected person’
            The community cluster hasnt been linked to any particular travellor and maybe aircrew or others who arent isolation any way

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            • ACT and National supported the original lockdown, trustingly believing that it was to be for the four weeks that were announced.. Neither party supports going in and out of lockdown at a moment’s notice rather than using testing and effective quarantine.

              NB; PDTs, a moment’s notice is a figure of speech, NOT used literally.

  5. lurcher1948

     /  21st August 2020

    That rather thick,orange Mr trump again badmouthed, my country NZ again and to think there are people on this blog, who worship this person

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  6. Alan Wilkinson

     /  21st August 2020

    Demonstrating the uselessness of the justice system:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12356768

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    • Duker

       /  21st August 2020

      Personality disorder ….what did you think the prison and justice system does – rehabilitate people …thats so funny

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  21st August 2020

        I think it mostly wastes time, money and lives pointlessly.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  21st August 2020

          … while principally serving the interests of the professionals who run it.

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  7. Corky

     /  21st August 2020

    Talkback is now tracking ANGER!!!!!

    1- Bees starve to death because the bee-keeper was not allowed past the regional border.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/rural/2020/08/coronavirus-millions-of-bees-starve-to-death-as-beekeepers-held-up-at-covid-19-checkpoints.html

    2- A woman representing a company from Queenstown related how in MARCH her company offered the government antibody test kits. These had been certified by independent testing. The government declined because they couldn’t be sure these test were legit. That’s fair enough. So this company sent their kits to the DSIR for testing. The DSIR said they couldn’t do testing because they did not have a Serum Bank.( this fact may catch out the government having lied over other issues). So this company sold these kits to the public before they were shut down by the government under the medicines act. Why?

    At no time did this woman say this was the only test needed, and that it should always be used in conjunction with other testing. Talkback is presently waiting for a response from the government.

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    • Duker

       /  21st August 2020

      Are you angling for a show along with Bennett Banks and other has beens on Magic Talk ?

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      • Corky

         /  21st August 2020

        Are you still evading reality like your gummint? Thousands of votes each day now heading in the RIGHT direction.

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    • duperez

       /  21st August 2020

      I can’t think of why you are at home on a talkback drip when you could be getting in touch with agencies up and down the country offering your services as a helper.
      You have so many answers to so many things and know where help is needed. Much could be done on line. There are even jobs for Intelligence Analysts these days.

      Think of the personal joy the uplifting experience of making altruistic offers would be. And think of the bliss of moving from the savage hole of whingeback radio to doing something positive. Or merely escaping it.

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      • Corky

         /  21st August 2020

        ”I can’t think of why you are at home on a talkback drip when you could be getting in touch with agencies up and down the country offering your services as a helper.”

        What makes you think I’m at home on a TB drip? Or that I don’t help charities, both financially and help wise? I said before, there’s an art to listening to talkback. I definitely wouldn’t want to be listening all the time.

        ”You have so many answers to so many things and know where help is needed. Much could be done on line. There are even jobs for Intelligence Analysts these days.”

        I definitely could help the country with a modified sugar pill, as I wrote previously. However, what’s the use? You are among posters who have laughed at some of the ideas and experiences I have related. You are an example of what the woman I quoted above had to contend with. And she has something at least most people can get their heads around.

        Can you imagine:

        Hello, my name is Corky and I have something that may be able to treat and stop Covid.

        What’s would that be, sir?

        Well, it’s a modified sugar pill…

        Sir, any fool knows a sugar pill is used in drug trials and by doctors with hypochondriac patients. A sugar pill is inert and cannot affect any human conditions.

        But..this pill has been..

        Good day, sir. If you contact this office again, the police will be called.

        Yep, not good, eh,Duperez. Lol

        As an aside..any comment about the two stories I posted on.🤔😮

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        • duperez

           /  21st August 2020

          Comment on the stories? Of course.

          Everything would be better if you were everywhere making all the decisions. Like in those described.You would invariably do everything better than the people in the situations in the media. Every story of course has all angles and all factors from all perspectives.

          The bees and other recent farming scenarios in the Waikato? You would have all citizens doing whatever they wanted. Or all officials on the ground being told, “do what you think needs to be done, use your common sense.” The only rule – do what you think is best.

          Or maybe you’d have guidelines, and textbooks and regulations written to cover every scenario and situation in life written years ago and continually, rigorously updated. Or maybe not, fearing backlash from those opposed to rule by regulation and textbook and over-control.

          But if there weren’t rules and paint-by-numbers processes and something happened, down to individuals on the ground using their own judgement, you’d be screaming about the necessity for accountability and lines of command and control.

          If you were in charge everything would be perfect. People would not do dumb things.
          The big loss then would be the media would have nothing to work on.

          Instead of having a few instances to fill their spaces and redden some necks more, and 40 trillion good things happening in a week to ignore, they’d have 40 trillion plus a few more good things happening. Talkback radio would be dead and deadshit hosts on them would have to get real jobs.

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          • Corky

             /  21st August 2020

            As an aside..any comment on the two stories I posted?🤔

            Being sarcastic and abusive and a general prat is not a comment on the two stories involved.

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            • duperez

               /  21st August 2020

              The two stories only have relevance in they are just more examples of if you were in there or in charge things would have been done better. (Regardless of the fact that those are only media accounts with their particular perspectives.)

              Tomorrow there will be more, the days after that more, where people don’t perform to your standards of perfection of excellence.

            • Corky

               /  21st August 2020

              Translation: He’s posting stories that cannot be defended against. Best I try another tack by deflecting while hitting back at the same time.

              The sly ways of a socialist.

  8. Corky

     /  21st August 2020

    Socialism in one easy lesson. In this example we have the reality being hidden by the lies.
    This sounds familiar.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/08/kim-jong-un-orders-confiscated-pet-dogs-to-be-slaughtered-for-meat-report.html

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  9. Duker

     /  21st August 2020

    This should brighten Kittys day…she always so gloomy
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122519593/suicide-rate-shows-slight-drop-after-recordhigh-year
    ‘l showed 654 people died from suicide in the year to June 2020, a drop of 31 deaths from the 2019 total of 685, which was the highest number ever recorded since records began.”

    Covers most of the covid lockdown period …would be interesting to look at the quarter on its own as I supsect thats where most of the reduction in suicides came from.
    BE KIND has worked in many many ways

    Thats what Ive been saying for some time , Lockdown has ‘saved’ many lives for circumstances different to being infected.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  21st August 2020

      Possibly doing nothing while being paid has better outcomes than doing nothing while not being paid after Jacinda has bought her reelection?

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      • Duker

         /  21st August 2020

        Bought re-election …budget amounts voted for by National too.
        How good is Jacinda..getting the opposition to vote for the ‘bought election’
        hahahahaha

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  21st August 2020

          Sure. When you’ve driven the bus over the cliff everyone has to vote for the ambulance. That ranks as political genius for the Left.

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          • Duker

             /  21st August 2020

            What cliff ? Unemployment will be far less than that bought on by Ruth Richardsons ‘mother of all budgets’ ( around the 11% level)

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  21st August 2020

              What percentage were on 80% wage subsidy?

          • Blazer

             /  21st August 2020

            So how have your heroes Johnson in the U.K and Trump in the U.S fared….where would you rather be…..this ‘shithole’ or….!!

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  21st August 2020

              We are in lockdown, they are not. Ours will last years, theirs a month or two.

            • Blazer

               /  21st August 2020

              When did you first realise you could see into the…future?

  10. Duker

     /  21st August 2020

    Guess who might have to shut up shop is a company liquidator ?
    He writes a newspaper column where is he freely tells what went wrong with this government

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300087802/26yearold-convictions-could-end-insolvency-practitioner-damien-grants-career
    From September 1, a new regulatory regime means all insolvency practitioners must be licensed by an accredited body.
    Those who are not chartered accountants, such as Grant, must apply to the Restructuring, Insolvency and Turnaround Association of NZ (Ritanz) to be allowed to continue practising.
    in reality he will use ‘lawfare’ to keep going.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  21st August 2020

      You think 26 years is not a long enough penance after serving out court sentences? You must have a political motive.

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      • Duker

         /  21st August 2020

        hes a blowhard in the subjects in his columns

        Most of those professional bodies have good character requirements, theres been a loophole exploited for some doing insolvency work because they didnt require it. I dont know that there was problems with his business. he employs lawyers and accountants .
        Plenty of professionals get punishments from the courts but then get booted out of their profession as well , even teachers who get drink driving etc. law and medical students who have convictions cant practice
        So he cant say hes being treated differently to other profession, but now the boot is on the other foot he wants to become ‘special people’ whom the existing rules dont apply.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  21st August 2020

          You can produce a case of a professional booted out for an offence committed and sentenced for 26 years ago? No, didn’t think so.

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          • Duker

             /  21st August 2020

            The professional body has just been created…all the others have been around for ever. So there is no comparisons.
            There is a detailed legal requirement for lawyers and accountants and probably insolvency.
            http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2006/0001/latest/DLM365774.html

            he will have to convince the judge hes become an angel. All those years should make a difference but there could be matters that arise during the court ?

            “The new bill also provides automatic disqualification for individuals who have been expelled from professional bodies or have convictions for dishonesty. It forces such people to apply to the High Court before registering.
            I support this, although it’s clear my support is influenced by my history. Having this judicial discretion will preclude people who should be precluded. But it also allows for an objective review of a person’s character, rather than a one-strike-and-you’re-out regime.
            My failure was one of character and personal integrity.

            Automatic !

            https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10731661

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  21st August 2020

              There are those who recognise their own failings and those who don’t, Duker. I generally prefer the former.

  11. Alan Wilkinson

     /  21st August 2020

    US infections are falling rapidly and deaths are also heading down. Somehow this is no longer Trump’s fault. It’s only his fault when they go up. Like it’s only Jacinda’s genius when ours go down. The Left is so transparent.

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    • Duker

       /  21st August 2020

      Lockdowns are the reason, or does the virus read your comments and have a lightbulb moment ?
      Qurantine measures have been around for centuries. jJcindas genius is looking at what works and advised by knowledgeable people and it did work in NZ.
      Her genius was such that ACT and National support it… Mikey was against it , then supported it and then back to against it. And hes a germaphobe like Trump

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      • Pink David

         /  21st August 2020

        “Lockdowns are the reason, or does the virus read your comments and have a lightbulb moment ?”

        If your theory is correct, then when the lockdown is opened up again, Covid will increase again.

        How do you get out?

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      • National and ACT do not support the PM’s ‘genius’ as should be obvious to anyone who watches the news.

        They do not support the crass incompetence that has led to the new lockdown. They do not support the lies about the number of border workers tested.

        The PM’s victim blaming – border workers refused tests – is a low blow. She softened it (or tried to) later, but by that time the lie had been exposed by the workers themselves who said that they had wanted the tests but been refused.

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        • Duker

           /  21st August 2020

          ACT has said via Seymour that they support the new lockdowns. I think its pro forma as they would torn to shreds if they said what they really think.

          , they want to sit on the fence though and have it both ways but not be like Sweden … or something
          Same as Judith Collins

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    • Duker

       /  21st August 2020

      US deaths have been increasing – last Month they were the only western country to increase by 25%
      US 24.5%
      Sweden 3.0%
      Belgium 1.5%
      Italy 1.1%
      France 0.9%
      Spain 0.8%
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/08/covid_deaths_increase_in_the_last_month.html

      Wait till winter comes in US !

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