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  1. David

     /  24th August 2020

    I hope we Sth Islanders can return to level 1 this week, cant argue with the logic of putting us in level 2 but times up Ardern.
    You Aucklanders need to stay in your level 3 for a few more weeks so its totally eliminated ahead of my trip up there in mid september, cant afford to take any risks.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  24th August 2020

      You can do whatever you want. You just can’t make me do what you want.

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    • Gerrit

       /  24th August 2020

      In Auckland we have a theoretical level 3 lockdown. The reality is that the people are in level 1.

      Ardern is loosing control, especially at the “borders”. Shops are open, meet and mingle everywhere. Only places not doing well are pubs, coffee shops and other brow beaten establishments. But if you look you will find these open through various back doors.

      Be interesting decision today, though I think the people have made the decision for her by ignoring any attempt at control.

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      • duperez

         /  24th August 2020

        Do you think they should have gone to level 3 or just carried on as things were?

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        • Gerrit

           /  24th August 2020

          As an exercise to see how compliant the populace would be to another lock down, it was a worthwhile.

          The answer they got is probably not what was expected though. Massive non compliance and impossible to get fair and right, internal border controls.

          The next step taken by this government will be of most interest. Will they continue with lock downs that have progressively less effect (unless enforced by a huge and draconian state apparatus) or will they finally come up with a plan on how New Zealand will live with this and any future covid virus .

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          • People need an income, contrary to what the PM seems to imagine, and don’t want to ‘sacrifice’ it.

            This lockdown may well be the lead balloon to end all lead balloons.

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            • And the PM has just extended it. She has made vague noises about it being lifted, ha ha. How many businesses and jobs have to go before she realises that lockdown is destructive and doesn’t work ?

            • duperez

               /  24th August 2020

              Okay it’s Monday afternoon, imagine you were the boss. What announcement would you have made this afternoon?

              (Accepting of course that there would not have had to be an announcement made today if you’d been in charge from January 1st onwards because the country would have been in such a wonderful situation.)

            • You do realise that C19 wasn’t IN the country on 1 January, don’t you? Do try to keep in touch with the facts rather than making sarcastic comments when someone expresses concern for the appalling burden that the PM is dumping on the country and Auckland in particular to try to make up for the damage that her government has caused by inexcusable sloppiness over testing.

              I take it that you won’t be losing your job or business or going hungry and having to ask for charity. Nor am I, but I care that other people are.

            • duperez

               /  24th August 2020

              I do realise that Covid-19 wasn’t in the country on January the 1st.

              https://shorthand.radionz.co.nz/coronavirus-timeline/

              I was being generous and giving you the whole of the year. The good thing in putting January 1st is that it got you to react by suggesting you wouldn’t have done anything until it was IN the country, so you wouldn’t have done anything until February 29th.

              You keep rabbiting on in the tone of the ‘appalling burden that the PM is dumping on the country and Auckland in particular’ and the ‘damage that her government has caused by inexcusable sloppiness over testing.’

              Given the challenge of saying what you would have done you are all rant and rave and no solutions. Naturally part of that is the mantra about concern. How exactly would you have prevented people losing their jobs or businesses or going hungry and having to ask for charity?

              You’re still in the cheap seats taking cheap shots, a typical sideline expert, a shiny looking car, (albeit plastic and fibreglass) but nothing under the bonnet.

  2. lurcher1948

     /  24th August 2020

    Wow that Ms Collins is a negative person shes from a different age that New Zealand has moved on from…shes on National Magic talkback badmouthing the good doctor Blomfield at this moment

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  24th August 2020

    One for the Trump supporters

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  4. Blazer

     /  24th August 2020

    Michael Hudson explains ‘Modern Monetary Theory’…

    ‘Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day;

    Teach him how to fish, and you lose a customer.

    But give him a loan to buy a boat and net to fish, and he will end up paying you all the fish he catches. You have a debt servant.’

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  24th August 2020

      Won’t work so well with negative interest rates, B.

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      • Blazer

         /  24th August 2020

        why not….Investopedia…

        ‘Risks of Negative Interest Rates
        In theory, negative interest rates should help to stimulate economic activity and stave off inflation, but policymakers remain cautious because there are several ways such a policy could backfire. Because banks have certain assets such as mortgages that are contractually tied to the prevailing interest rate, such negative rates could squeeze profit margins to the point where banks are actually willing to lend less.

        There is also nothing to stop deposit holders from withdrawing their money and stuffing the physical cash in mattresses. While the initial threat would be a run on banks, the drain of cash from the banking system could lead to a rise in interest rates—the exact opposite of what negative interest rates are supposed to achieve.’

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    • Corky

       /  24th August 2020

      Even when a Leftie is right, they are wrong.

      ”Hudson identifies himself as a Marxist economist.”

      ”Nate Blair
      , economist
      Answered July 12, 2015

      Hudson is a “classical” economist, a phrase that he basically uses in place of “Georgist” or “Geo-classical” economist. Mainstream “neo-classical” economists dislike his work, but not because he is wrong… they dislike and ignore him because he is often too correct. He pokes holes in their work and exposes their fundamental flaws. (see Where Did All the Land Go?)

      Moreover, Hudson seems to be emotionally unstable and unable to control his actions, so he writes and says things that I know he later regrets.

      These factors make it both convenient and appealing for mainstream economists to ignore him. My guess is that he is mostly seen as a prolific and eccentric economic historian.”

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      • Blazer

         /  24th August 2020

        One economists opinion about another more well…known.

        A quote for you from another legendary economist…

        ‘The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness’. John Kenneth Galbraith

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  24th August 2020

          Typical boring Lefty assertion of their moral high ground.

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          • Blazer

             /  24th August 2020

            your old fav…

            ‘A cynic is a man who, when he smells flowers, looks around for a coffin’. H. L. Mencken

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        • Corky

           /  24th August 2020

          This selfishness millstone Lefties voluntary put around their neck holds them back from being a Rightie and enjoying a better life. This millstone also creates emotional confusion – on one hand they stare daggers at the wellfy Righty driving past in his Porsche…on the other hand they need an emotional remedy to justify being at the TAB or Lotto outlet praying that this will be the week they become fillfy rich. Enter selfishness. Our Lefty friend, thinks when he strikes it rich, he won’t be selfish with his money. He’ll help the poor, continue to live in his non descript HNZ home and continue to shop in op shops.

          Unfortunately his subconscious mind says to him: ‘you don’t believe that shit, do you? Hence why many Lefties are mixed up. There’s this constant internal battle going on.
          Righties just get on with working hard and getting rich.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  24th August 2020

            The Lefty thinks the best use of their money is giving it to people who do nothing. The Righty thinks the best use is giving it to people who do something.

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          • Blazer

             /  24th August 2020

            ‘Lotto outlet praying’=so you are in act a closet lefty….judging by what you do…not what you…say.

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    • Corky

       /  24th August 2020

      I’ll be so sad to see Donald go. Of course he would have won a second term without Covid.
      But I’ll be glad to see ol’ Joe assume the office. All those voters abandoning Trump are in for a surprise.

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    • duperez

       /  24th August 2020

      Can’t think why they would abandon him seeing as he is the economic genius:

      “Trump’s best year of economic growth was 3 percent, short of the highest annual growth rates posted by George W. Bush or Barack Obama. The sweeping tax cuts and spending increases he signed into law in 2017 ballooned the federal budget deficit by several hundred billion dollars a year, even before the multitrillion-dollar effort to combat the pandemic-induced recession.

      They included steep rate cuts for corporations and other businesses, along with temporary cuts for most individuals, all of which would supposedly drive investment and growth.

      This gave the economy what seems, in retrospect, like a classic short-term stimulus. Investment increased after the tax cuts — for about half a year. Then its growth rate began to fall. In 2019, it turned negative.

      Researchers at the International Monetary Fund issued a report finding that the boost to investment from the Trump tax cuts was “smaller than would have been predicted based on the effects of previous U.S. tax cut episodes.” Big corporations did not keep their promises to plow their tax savings into new equipment and systems. Investment before the current recession grew more slowly than it did under Obama after the Great Recession.”

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  24th August 2020

    Wow Mr Brownlee is having”Banter with Brownlee” with Sean Plunkett on National Magic Talkback.Does National and Brownlee and Collins knows Mr Plunkett admires Harvey Weinstein,a fat whitie who used his powers to rape females…the standard,of staff member Magic employs

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    • Does Sean Plunkett know that he admires Harvey Weinstein ?

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      • lurcher1948

         /  24th August 2020

        Kitty, google Sean Plunkett and Harvey Weinstein, and the results on Plunkett’s career,and on Fridays huddle, he has an old criminal whose been inside, credit card fraud…etc .etc and whines Ms Arden while not come near his show STANDARDS she has STANDARDS,Ms Collins has no standards, National is always at the opening of an envelope so appears on his rant

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