A delay and hope Covid decision

Any decisions dealing with Covid are difficult for the Government. They are committed to keeping Covid case numbers as low as possible, but also have to consider the social and economic implications of any decisions. With wage subsidies due to end soon there are increasing warnings a business and job crunch coming.

And being politicians the election, recently delayed until October 19, is an important factor for them.

The Government committed themselves to making a decision on the current outbreak and lockdowns by yesterday, and they sort of made a decision – delaying reducing the level 3 lockdown in Auckland until the end of the week.

With new community cases every day still this looks to me like a wait and hope decision – they will be hoping that things improve enough over the next few days to justify dropping Auckland to the significantly less restrictive level 2. If community cases continue to increase through this week the Government will have to seriously consider extending the current lockdown levels.

And the decision to not lower the level 2 lockdown in the rest of the country, despite no cases outside Auckland, appears to reflect the practical difficulties in having regional differences in lockdown levels. Lowering Auckland to level 2 will mean the roadblocks enclosing the city will no longer be needed there, but having a different lockdown level beyond the city would be difficult to manage.

Some people are happy to see the Government tend towards caution to minimise the chances of community transmission spreading beyond Auckland.

Health at any cost is preferred by some, especially those who are older, or are medically more vulnerable, and also those who don’t rely on working for a living or who have secure jobs.

But a growing number of people will be disappointed or annoyed at ongoing limits to their lifestyles.

The Government has to try to balance these conflicting situations.

They also continue to tweak the lockdown rules. After months of pressure they have introduced mandatory mask wearing for anyone using public transport. This change is in response to people catching Covid while using buses.

There is already further pressure to also require mask wearing in other situations of public gatherings, especially in bars and cafes, but there are obvious issues with requiring the wearing of masks where people eat and drink.

There are indications from the Director-General of Health that face mask wearing may be required more to try to avoid going to higher lockdown levels.

There are no easy decisions with Covid.

For the rest of the week we basically have to wait and see whether the current plan to reduce Auckland to level 2 next Monday can go ahead or not.

This means we continue to live with significant uncertainties. That is something we are likely to have to contend with for months, if not a year or two.

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  1. John J Harrison

     /  25th August 2020

    Pete, agree.
    But , apart from diehard Labour luvvies no one believes the daily pontificating from the “ pulpit of truth.”
    Ardern’s credibility is shot as evidenced by the NZ Herald baldly stating what most of us knew, that being her innumerable statements regarding, testing, testing kits, availability of PPE et al were COMPLETELY UNTRUE.
    Now Bryce Edwards has well and truly joined the fight with a detailed summation, as published yesterday, of the many, many untruthful statements we have been fed by both Ardern and Bloomfield.
    Credibility is the issue here.
    Without it Labour and their support partners are sunk.

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    • Duker

       /  25th August 2020

      Bryce Edwards just summarises what the previous weeks journos have said….whats new about that
      The Ministry was hiding from the politicians and the public via the news media that full testing at the hotels wasnt happening. Botch ups. Happens in every government.
      Every week some poor soul has their medical botchup – no names to protect the guilty- laid bare whether its a GP or a highly paid surgeon.
      Every month there is some cop in court over some serious incident …
      John J you may sit on your velvet cushions attended by your fawning carers serving up fine wines, but in real life and in the ‘cheap news’ that fill the main media is ‘Botchups’
      Should be some big polls over the next 14 days, whats the bet the numbers for labour are pretty solid and for Collins remain pretty dire. Your wine stockist will have send some more cases to ‘drown your sorrows’

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      • John J Harrison

         /  25th August 2020

        Duker, what is new about that is previously the journalists quoted were fawning over every word Ardern uttered from the “ pulpit of truth. “
        They have finally realized that they have been used and abused as to reporting so – called “ facts.”
        At long last the scales have fallen from their left eye.

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    • David

       /  25th August 2020

      It does, who cares if folk have to delay going out for a week. Feel for the bar staff and owners and I hope they have applied for the subsidy and they just have to take one for the team of 5 million.

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      • It’s not a question of people not going out for a week.

        If a business fails, the staff are unemployed. The suppliers will no longer have that market. The staff will have no income so can’t spend it elsewhere.

        The sub can’t run forever. These people are being ordered to pay far too high a price.

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        • Blazer

           /  25th August 2020

          ‘If a business fails, the staff are unemployed’….uncanny…do you have an honours in commerce too!

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          • It hardly takes that to know that there are serious consequences to a business failing and that the consequences are far-reaching.

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      • Gerrit

         /  25th August 2020

        Wages subsidy only cover 80% of the wages bill. 0% of the overheads. Rents have to be paid, electricity bills (even id only the line charges) to be paid, spoiled raw materials need top be replaced, etc, etc.

        The overheads list is pretty large.

        Not to mentioned extra provisions such as the proposed 5 extra sick days to be added to a set of accounts where the top line is extremely light already.

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        • It must be beyond devastating to see one’s business collapse because of the government’s gross incompetence. Bad enough if it’s one’s own doing, shattering to have it forced on one.

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  4. David

     /  25th August 2020

    Smart moves by Ardern, delay the level 2 move until Sunday night eliminates the weekend gatherings issues and then mandating no more than 10 people in a group at level 2 to stop any church gatherings for our Pacifica community.
    Cant argue with her logic, even being in level 2 in the SI is preposterous but its manageable. Her administration badly dropped the ball but they seem to have really stepped up as a consequence. I dont totally believe their testing levels in terms of sure they have tested half the country but I want to know how many outstanding results there are given the rumours of 10 plus day turnarounds.
    5 out 10 for the running of quarantine and 9 out of 10 for the response.

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  5. David

     /  25th August 2020

    I do think we need to make it citizens only coming in, they need to pay for the cost and they should keep the foot on the throat of airlines and keep the numbers returning super low.
    Our borders have been shut since March so in reality the people coming here should be OE returnees only and permanent residents should join a queue and go in a strictly controlled ballot. Its costing us 100s of millions and now you can add the cost of another shutdown.

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  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  25th August 2020

    It’s the election coming first, not public health. The Government fears all the pain being seen for naught.

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    • Duker

       /  25th August 2020

      The public wants it …even National and ACT have supported the latest lockdowns and the extension. Their polling tells them resistance is futile and Collins understands Nationals carping about alert levels and how long they last destroyed the political careers of her 2 predecessors….best to say ‘Trust the PM’ …yes she did say that, and move on.

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300090285/coronavirus-jacinda-ardern-faces-little-opposition-to-alert-level-extension

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      • Jack

         /  25th August 2020

        I think she said that to allow us each to do our own thinking and she knows that Kiwis are great at moving on

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      • John J Harrison

         /  25th August 2020

        Duker, out of context as you well know.
        What Collins said was because they were not shared the information promised to Reti then we would have to trust Ardern on the basis she knew what she was doing.
        On ZB this AM Ardern advised that Reti was being kept up with the daily MOH information.
        Fifteen minutes later Collins CONFIRMED that this was totally UNTRUE.
        Typical socialists, telling us what we want to hear — not the truth !
        Labour’s credibility is in the gutter.

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        • Duker

           /  25th August 2020

          Does Reti not have a voice of his own or does Collins do all the barking….
          last time National Mps were getting private health information and using it for political muck racking.
          I dont believe Collins for one second and shes just doing a stunt on demagogues radio show

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          • John J Harrison

             /  25th August 2020

            Duker, Reti does indeed have a voice of his own.
            Unlike Ardern he neither mangles the English or Maori language.
            Again you miss the point.
            Hosking was interviewing Collins after Ardern – being a balanced individual!
            Ardern promised daily consultation from her minister to Reti and keep him appraised of daily developments during this national pandemic.
            Unlike Hipkins he is a qualified doctor and had three years at Harvard.
            An absolute professional who is totally supported by his peers.
            Like most “ promises “ from Ardern this did not happen even though the government needs all the assistance it can get both in and out of the House.
            Collins was asked the question which she answered honestly.
            Pity Labour cannot reciprocate.

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        • Blazer

           /  25th August 2020

          Dr Reti is being promoted as a Harvard graduate by Collins.

          His plans for containing Covid are from consultation with anonymous …experts.Hopeless.

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        • duperez

           /  25th August 2020

          Typical Collins, saying what she wants you to believe and you believe her.

          When Collins is your arbiter of what the truth, is making a point about credibility is open to question.

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      • ACT and National did NOT support the lockdown; they are bowing to the inevitable and not challenging it as this would be pointless. Nowhere do they say that they SUPPORT it.

        Judith Collins says that we have to trust that the PM has all the information…this is not saying that she trusts her.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  25th August 2020

          Trust but verify. Why does Ardern not share all the advice with the Opposition and public? We are paying for it.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  25th August 2020

            Even more to the point, we are the people supposed to benefit from accurate and full information. It’s not for politicians to filter it to us. Sack the sods.

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          • John J Harrison

             /  25th August 2020

            Alan, because she is a socialist and ONLY concerned in remaining in power.
            Promises made to share vital health information with National are like others she made – not kept or even a pretense at honoring.
            QT in the House should be fun at 2PM.

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            • John J Harrison

               /  25th August 2020

              Alan, that’s our job in October.
              How come my previous comment only took 3 seconds to down tick?
              Pathetic, as I ignore imbeciles.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  25th August 2020

              Don’t ignore them, enjoy annoying them. I add my upticks and downticks together for approval assessment.

            • John, did you know that the PDTs are the Phantom Down Tickers ? I coined the phrase 🙂

              There seem to be a few who automatically downtick anything written by some of us, even if it agrees with a post immediately above which the PDTs ignore, They must spend hours hunched over the computer, finger poised, waiting…waiting… 😀

            • John J Harrison

               /  25th August 2020

              Kitty I did not have a clue what PDT stood for.
              Now the down tickers have identified who they are I realize what sad lives many live.
              Pathetic !

            • Blazer

               /  25th August 2020

              ‘I coined the phrase ‘-you own the phrase dear.

              No one attracts downticks like you….they reflect the ‘substance’ of your knee jerk…comments.

            • They reflect the nitpicking spite of the PDTs.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  25th August 2020

              Good God, all politicians want to stay in power, it is there drug of choice. The National Party however think they have a divine right to rule.

  8. Jack

     /  25th August 2020

    You can’t see me but will have to believe me if you want.
    Very funny for me. After, and during, the many rejections I get from community, that’s the best one liner from Alan I’ve read. Of course only a loser would mope over down-ticks, and I have been that person many times!
    Watch now. Socialists detest laughter and grinners don’t care about ticks up nor down. A frown is a smile upside down.

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  9. Alan Wilkinson

     /  25th August 2020

    Seven new cases. I think we can now add failure to contact trace adequately to failing to secure the border. Public health bureaucracy failing to walk the talk.

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    • Not to mention blaming the workers who were asking for tests; the PM says that they were refusing them. Odd when the tests were not offered in the first place to the majority.

      It’s odd that no one has been held to account for this.

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      • Duker

         /  25th August 2020

        They were offered tests , just it was informal in heres a voucher for the drop in centre. They really needed on site testing and making sure the staff had them about every week or so.

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    • Duker

       /  25th August 2020

      No it doesnt mean a failure of the contract tracing…which is only as good as those people contacted memories of where they went.
      The people infected on the bus was on the day of the lockdown started at middday…a normal 10 min ride became over an hour due to the massive traffic jams
      No system involving people is perfect….especially the health system, normal infection inside hospitals alone is a major problem
      The Crusher would have declared victory after only 3 cases had been contacted and then gone on a trip to promote her husbands business and then leak information to Slater and then bought in Jason Ede to replace Hooton

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  25th August 2020

        Possibly. Or something else. But in any case contact tracing has failed to get on top of this outbreak.

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        • Duker

           /  25th August 2020

          Where are your figures to say contact tracing failed, if they are contacting people they get tested and thats a positive then thats a sucess.
          before they wouldnt have linked all the cases to a single cluster, thats all thats changed.

          I think yesterday they had a ‘walk in’ to a hospital with a sick person , now that hadnt been linked to existing contacts but the genome will reveal all …so that ones missed. ONE.
          All the other new cases at the moment are contact traces who are advised to get tested of course.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  25th August 2020

            The failure is demonstrated by the continuing flow of cases and the ever extending lockdowns.

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            • Blazer

               /  25th August 2020

              you don’t know how lucky you are….

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  25th August 2020

              Still got my gumboots, B. Can tromp through the b.s.

  10. Alan Wilkinson

     /  25th August 2020

    Three gravely ill in ICU. The fairytale is ending badly. Labour needs the election asap.

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