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  1. David

     /  28th August 2020

    So you have to wear a mask on a bus but not on a ferry, yes on a plane but not in a taxi and the health minister thinks masks dont make any difference.

    “But Hipkins said they weren’t yet requiring masks in churches because they hadn’t seen any advice that it would “help hugely”.

    “As long as people are in spaces where they’re coming into contact with known other contacts, then the masks aren’t necessarily going to provide an additional layer of protection.”

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  28th August 2020

      What on earth does that last sentence mean?

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      • artcroft

         /  28th August 2020

        If you don’t think about it, it makes complete sense.

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        • David

           /  28th August 2020

          So you cant catch Covid from someone you know, sort of the same as the BLM protesters were thought to be immune which they largely were but then went home and killed their grandparents and fat Uncles.
          Either you need masks or you dont and the health minister should do science not politics on this one.

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      • Blazer

         /  28th August 2020

        Its hard to preach…wearing..a mask.

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    • Gerrit

       /  28th August 2020

      Hipkins, despite early promise, is showing all the signs of being as bereft of ministerial nous as all the other government ministers.

      He also has the same idiosyncrasy as Robertson when not wanting to answer a question, He starts his non answer with “ah look”.

      Count the number of “ah look” in his interview with HDPA on ZB. Could become a great drinking game.

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      • David

         /  28th August 2020

        He is somewhat protected as he genuinely seems like a nice guy but his real power is in that he looks like a weedy ginger and it would look mean to smack him around.
        His education reforms are looking pretty ropey and the health portfolio is slipping out of control, look at Canterbury health board as well as testing, because its ridiculous to have one person doing both ministerial jobs in an effective way.
        Megan Woods turned out to be nothing more than a blowhard who did so much talking she never bothered listening so she was little help and Ardern has absolutely no confidence in 92.7% of her caucus. The air force guy has turned out to be rubbish too.

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        • Gerrit

           /  28th August 2020

          If I were a woke inclined person, I would be offended by your micro aggression in your “weedy ginger” labeling and demand you offer a full apologe and enter a re education program to blot out racism againt ginger coloured people.

          GLM (Ginger Lives Matter)

          😉

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        • duperez

           /  28th August 2020

          What do you mean, “The Air force guy has turned out to be rubbish too”?

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          • David

             /  28th August 2020

            Less than 35% of border workers were being tested, cant find how the maintenance guy caught the bug from the American woman, numerous breaches including some degenerate able to come along and hug an inmate, day 13 people able to mix with day 3 people.
            And by all accounts this outbreak we have came from somewhere and a high probability it was from one of his facilities.

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        • Blazer

           /  28th August 2020

          ‘that he looks like a weedy ginger’

          I guess Brownlee looks like a jolly,fat.jowley …uncle then.

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      • Blazer

         /  28th August 2020

        …’so what I can …say…..” (YOU KNOW …THE REST)

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        • The Air Force man is not responsible for testing, so it’s absurd to blame him for the CoL’s abysmal failure in that area.

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  2. lurcher1948

     /  28th August 2020

    Good to see our justice system upholding traditional values. That lady who left isolation to attend a tangi has been sent to prison, and the business owner from Queenstown who left isolation to buy booze has been given community service. The system works. Ms Collins will be stoked

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  3. Patzcuaro

     /  28th August 2020

    A light hearted look at the US campaign via CNN ad campaign.

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  4. Blazer

     /  28th August 2020

    embracing Japan’s Modern Monetary Theory…

    ‘Since the country’s boom ended in the early 1990s, Japan has borrowed deeply. Currently, its debt level is approaching 250 percent of its annual economic output. Critics say it is an economic basket case.’

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  5. Alan Foster

     /  28th August 2020

    Is the USA the most racist country in the world?
    When Biden picked Kamala Harris to be his running mate, the Media described her as “A Black Asian American”
    Technically, you could call her “A Brown Indian, African (Jamaican) American”
    If Biden had picked Hillary as a running mate, would the Media call her “A White European American’? I don’t think so.
    Imagine if in NZ we called
    Maori – Brown NZers
    Polynesians – Brown Pacific NZers
    Indians – Black Indian NZers
    Africans – Black African NZers
    Europeans – White European NZers
    Quite rightly, there would be a huge outcry.
    USA, not a place I would like to be at the moment

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    • Corky

       /  28th August 2020

      ”If Biden had picked Hillary as a running mate, would the Media call her “A White European American’? I don’t think so.”

      No, they would just call her crooked like her husband. Maybe, given white is the predominately main racial group in America, being ethnically different is a point of difference… and is without any racial overtones.

      This morning I was talking to someone who said his new boss was a young Pakeha fulla.
      The point of difference being this was an all Maori gang who had always had a Maori boss , and now for the first time had a boss from a different culture. It was just a factual observation.

      The art when such differences are noted is to sense the context and intent. Maori excel in that skill.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  28th August 2020

      My delineation is simpler: dickheads vs others.

      The Left always overthink.

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    • Duker

       /  28th August 2020

      Those ‘colours’ are official racial categories in US thats why they use them
      White american
      Black ( or African) American
      then there is
      Native american
      Native Hawaiian ( or other other polynesian)
      Asian american
      Hispanic is often used but isnt a race but an ethnicity and you can be white hispanic or black hispanic

      We clearly dont use the old fashioned ‘skin colour’ In NZ
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States

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    • Pink David

       /  28th August 2020

      “Is the USA the most racist country in the world?”

      No.

      “When Biden picked Kamala Harris to be his running mate, the Media described her as “A Black Asian American””

      This is because the Democratic Party has selected her on the basis of her race and sex. It’s the Democratic Party that is racist.

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  28th August 2020

        So what do you call the white supremacist party, aka the Republican Party?

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        • Pink David

           /  28th August 2020

          It’s you who thinks that white people are superior. You espouse this in almost everything you post.

          Republicans simply don’t care about people’s race.

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          • Duker

             /  28th August 2020

            Race never matters …yep
            How come Trump mentions ‘first ever African american’ as new head of USAF

            Another Fact free day for you

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            • Pink David

               /  28th August 2020

              Cool. A white supremacist would not appoint an African American to that role now would he.

            • Blazer

               /  28th August 2020

              Ever seen Carson in action….talk about ‘Uncle Tom’!

            • Pink David

               /  28th August 2020

              And along comes Blazer, with a beautiful example of his own racism.

              Slow hand clap to the bigotry of Blazer.

            • Blazer

               /  28th August 2020

              Wheres the racism…?

              Whats the definition of a ‘white supremacist?

            • Duker

               /  28th August 2020

              No no no…you were saying the Republicans don’t mention ‘colour’…
              And I showed you to be the complete fool you are
              W
              How do you look at your self in the mirror without cringing

        • Pink David

           /  28th August 2020

          This is the Democratic Party.

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    • Pink David

       /  28th August 2020

      “Is the USA the most racist country in the world?”

      This also might help you answer your question.

      “Anglo and Latin countries most tolerant. People in the survey were most likely to embrace a racially diverse neighbor in the United Kingdom and its Anglo former colonies (the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) and in Latin America.”

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/15/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-racially-tolerant-countries/

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  6. Pink David

     /  28th August 2020

    Lockdowns are a global disaster.

    Slowly, people are waking up.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/27/europe-last-waking-lockdown-folly/

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  28th August 2020

      The US virus death toll is 0.06% of the population, say 5% of the normal annual deaths.

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      • Pink David

         /  28th August 2020

        Peru.

        The worlds earliest and toughest lockdown. Opps!

        https://jordanschachtel.substack.com/p/the-worlds-toughest-lockdown-has

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        • Alan Foster

           /  28th August 2020

          Here’s why it failed – All lockdowns are not the same eh?
          From your link
          “Tragically, the lockdowns will result in even more excess suffering for a nation that does not have the fiscal or medical capacity to handle its side effects. Unlike much of Western Europe and the United States, Peru is much poorer per capita and does not have quality healthcare available to all of its citizens. Most country healthcare rankings systems place Peru firmly in the bottom half of nations when it comes to both capacity and standards. This reality has undoubtedly contributed negatives to Peru’s epidemic.

          Here in the United States, we have the benefit of a robust economic engine and sophisticated healthcare system that will help us recover from the lockdown madness. Peru does not have the same luxury, and their COVID-19 data continues to show the tragic consequences of implementing self-destructive shutdown policies.”

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          • Pink David

             /  28th August 2020

            Did the fact that Peru is a poor country with limited health care facilities come as a surprise to everyone?

            When the decision to enforce a highly restrictive lockdown on one of the poorest countries on earth, did it occur to anyone to think about this?

            NZ is rich enough for people to stay at home for a while without people starving. That is not true in Peru.

            I really do wonder who thought it was a good idea.

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            • Alan Foster

               /  28th August 2020

              Lockdowns have saved lives in other countries. As I said, all lockdowns are not the same – depends on the country & the how the people conform to it.

            • Pink David

               /  28th August 2020

              “Lockdowns have saved lives in other countries.”

              Show your data. I assume you have evidence for this?

            • I think it’s fairly obvious that lockdowns have saved lives in Queensland, NT and WA in particular, but also in NSW and Victoria which would have been much worse without belated lockdowns.

            • Pink David

               /  28th August 2020

              Well, that;’s curious. Victoria had the strictest lockdown in Australia, and now the most death. WA the loosest. Where is your control in this judgement?

              Why do you think it would be much worse in Victoria and NSW without lockdowns?

              Covid has had very little impact in Asia generally, one of the most interesting things about it. This is despite very different approaches.

              Nor Africa, and even the Middle East.

              Europe/US/South America most affected. Even then, wildly different outcomes depending on region far more than approach.

              Nothing about Covid is obvious at all.

        • How can anyone know that ? It’s unprovable either way. One can’t say ‘what would have happened.’

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          • Duker

             /  28th August 2020

            Easy. Compare Sweden to it’s neighbours Denmark and Norway and you tell me the differentvactions produced the same outcome.
            Or Victoria who dithered fir 3 weeks with the second outbreak compared to NZ who acted in 3 days

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  7. The ” first detailed disclosure of the case against” 17 year old Kyle Rittenhouse, accused of two murders in Kenosha, Wisconsin, which “draws on multiple cell phone videos and witness accounts”.

    Teenager in Wisconsin shootings charged with six criminal counts: complaint

    Kyle Rittenhouse, a teenager arrested and charged in the shootings in Wisconsin that led to the death of two people and injury of another, faces six criminal counts, according to a court document released on Thursday.

    The charges against Rittenhouse in Kenosha County include first degree intentional homicide in the death of Anthony Huber, who was carrying a skateboard when he was gunned down. A conviction on that charge alone carries a life sentence.

    Rittenhouse, 17, is being held in Illinois where he lives. He has a court hearing on Friday for his requested extradition to Kenosha. The public defender assigned to his case in Lake County, Illinois has declined to comment.

    The charges were detailed in a criminal complaint released by Kenosha County’s clerk of courts. The document is the first detailed disclosure of the case against Rittenhouse for his role in the violence that erupted on Tuesday night when armed militia members clashed with protesters in the city.

    Rittenhouse was also charged with causing the death of Joseph Rosenbaum, a 36-year-old demonstrator who he shot in the parking lot of a used car dealer just before midnight on Tuesday, according to the complaint, which draws on multiple cell phone videos and witness accounts.

    One video records Rittenhouse saying “I just killed somebody” after shooting Rosenbaum, the complaint says.

    Rittenhouse was carrying a Smith & Wesson AR-15 style rifle and “was not handling the weapon very well,” one witness states in the complaint. “The recovered magazine for this rifle holds 30 rounds of ammunition,” the complaint says.

    The complaint says one video shows Huber, with a skateboard in his right hand, approaching Rittenhouse when he was on the ground. Huber appears then to try and grab the gun from Rittenhouse with his left hand before Rittenhouse fires.

    “Huber staggers away, taking several steps, then collapses to the ground. Huber subsequently died from this gunshot wound,” the complaint says.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-race-usa-rittenhouse-idUSKBN25N382?taid=5f486e8eeeb1e900012d2ca6

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    • Social media saw repeated calls for armed vigilantes in Wisconsin in hours before protestors killed

      Repeated calls for armed vigilantes to travel to Kenosha, Wisconsin, to protect businesses following the police shooting of Jacob Blake spread across social media in the hours before two people were shot to death and a third was wounded during a third night of unrest in the city.

      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/social-media-saw-repeated-calls-armed-vigilantes-in-wisconsin-hours-before-protestors-killed

      Violence and arson and looting are bad enough under the guise of protest, but armed vigilantes are a bad idea.

      Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth said yesterday that militia members or armed vigilantes had been patrolling the city’s streets in recent nights and asked about being deputised.

      “Yesterday, I had a person call me and say, ‘Why don’t you deputise citizens who have guns to come out and patrol the city of Kenosha, and I am like, ‘Oh, hell no.’”

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      • Corky

         /  28th August 2020

        ”Violence and arson and looting are bad enough under the guise of protest, but armed vigilantes are a bad idea.”

        What’s your suggestion in that given situation? The police? I have written repeatedly about this type of situation. As Covid bites deeper, such occurrences will become common place. People coming from a supermarket for example, will be gunned down. At least in most cases it will be quick. You can imagine what it will be like in NZ..knives and homemade weapons. That’s a horrible slow way to die.

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      • Pink David

         /  28th August 2020

        The backdrop is interesting.

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        • Corky

           /  28th August 2020

          Or the fact he didn’t stop for the police. If cop was pointing a gun at me, I would STFU and put my hands up.

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  8. Pink David

     /  28th August 2020

    What was ishmael’s favorite word, oh yeah, Gaslighting.

    He was unarmed (if you exclude the arms).

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    • Duker

       /  28th August 2020

      After being wrong in everything about Rittenhouse you are going a bit further back now ?

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      • Pink David

         /  28th August 2020

        It must be quite a burden to be right about everything, but not succeeding in life.

        How did your career go? Every night returning home complaining to your wife about how everyone is wrong and you are always right, but nothing every pans out for you?

        Go on, show us how right you are about this one. Explain the ‘otherwise unarmed’ framing. What’s it’s purpose? How should police have handled the situation?

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  9. Blazer

     /  28th August 2020

    you pay big money for ‘talent’….but this absolutely flummoxes them…

    Instead of the correct email address, an “i” was substituted with an “l”, to read “clrcle”, instead of “circle”.

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    • Duker

       /  28th August 2020

      The bank account change was the key…..anyone who ok that without a phone call should lose their job, as these sort of scams are common place for years

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  10. Alan Wilkinson

     /  28th August 2020
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    • Fight4nz

       /  28th August 2020

      Are you so old that you still can’t keep up with nor cope with the minor increments in the evolution of language?

      Reply

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