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  1. David

     /  29th August 2020

    I find this governments secrecy a little bit stupid.

    “MBIE would not confirm how the person was linked to the existing Covid-19 cases or cluster.

    It is also not clear what the person’s occupation at MBIE is.”

    So we have another failure at the border and lets just conclude the government stuffed up yet again but we are left to speculate how and worry that they cant do their job. I get the feeling that this thing is out and about and they should probably keep the Auckland border shut for another week.

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    • Duker

       /  29th August 2020

      Not at all. Not a person who has any thing to do with ;’border’ , they worked in ‘a office’ in Auckland. I gather from the context its Immigration, which is part of MBIE and the Manukau office, but the staff havent been working on site since Auckland lockdown began.
      They are connected to the large Auckland cluster mostly within the pacific island community which began at the frozen foods warehouse.

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  2. Fight4nz

     /  29th August 2020

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/08/nz-election-2020-national-joins-new-zealand-first-in-calling-for-tiwai-point-aluminium-smelter-to-stay-open.amp.html

    Right wing MSM in action. Fanfare for Judith over blue sky promises at Tiwai. But then you look at the story and find
    “the Government supports a managed transition and that there are ongoing negotiations taking place, involving the Government, Rio Tinto and Meridian Energy. “
    So what the so economically savvy National Party has done is undermine NZ’s bargaining position for political gain. Thanks again for putting your personal ambitions ahead of the interest of the country National.

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  3. Blazer

     /  29th August 2020

    National…opportunity…

    ‘Former National MP Ross Meurant, former Act leader Don Brash and other backers Meurant declined to name, have set up a company, Covax-NZR Limited, and filed paperwork through the Russian embassy to establish supply and distribution arrangements to bring the vaccine to New Zealand.’

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300094032/coronavirus-kiwis-push-kremlin-to-import-unproven-covid19-vaccine

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    • Duker

       /  29th August 2020

      Ive already had my vaccine …for pneumonia, which is the disease associated with covid that does most of the killing off- like it does with flu.

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  29th August 2020

    Imagine being Tarrant recieving his meals every day and wondering if it’s being spat on and…where,over and over.

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    • I hope that doesn’t happen. I want him to be treated decently for one reason and one reason only; we need to show him that we are better and more humane than he is. It’s for US, not for HIM.

      He could well end up wishing that he’d been executed; he could live another 60 years. And he won’t even be able to top himself, there will be nothing to do it with.

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    • Corky

       /  29th August 2020

      According to ex crook( but not in my opinion),Greg Newbold, all Tarrant will smell is floor polish and cleaner. He will exercise in a caged area about the size of a average car shed.

      This talk of eventually putting in GP, must surely be maddness. Is corrections thinking of doing this in thirty years time, hoping no one remembers him?

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      • Corky

         /  29th August 2020

        * putting him in general population.

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        • Duker

           /  29th August 2020

          More like ‘segregation with other abnormals’ in Rolleston after a year or 2 . Highly likely to be very compliant with prison rules and guards directions.
          Increases the risk to his ‘health’ to keep him in the same unit as the highly dangerous and physically violent men held in the ‘supermax’ part of Pare.

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  5. Duker

     /  29th August 2020

    This jail sentence for the woman who broke out of quarantine came up a few days ago here.
    Much was made of the different sentence that a Queenstown man recieved for the same offence

    Their circumstances after appearing in court were different though. The Queenstown man was held in Spring Hill prison instead of getting bail. The woman got bail until being convicted in court of sentence of 14 days.
    “McVicar apologised for his actions, which didn’t help anyone – least of all his children, Curran said. He had already been “roundly and severely punished” with six days on remand in Spring Hill Corrections Facility.”

    the usual suspects at The Spinoff go off their block at a maori woman getting jail time
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/29-08-2020/shame-on-judge-sainsbury-shame-on-us-all/

    Not mentioned if this woman has previous convictions in NZ which can lead to a stiffer sentence.
    And in reality the ’14 days’ is more like 2-3 days time served before being released by the prison system rules for very short sentences. Something like 1/3 of low risk sentence is the actual time served
    She will be out by Monday.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  29th August 2020

      Be Kind in reality.

      Monday sees a Level 2 lockdown which in reality could have applied in March to virtually the same circumstances.

      This weekend Auckland sees a continuation of the nonsense of banning perfectly safe outdoor recreation. The lunatics are still in charge of the asylum.

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      • Duker

         /  29th August 2020

        No . The Swedish model has been discredited…we would have been cut off from all our neighbours for a long time instead we can get back to looking for the travel to be extended.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  29th August 2020

          Your comment makes no sense whatever. Suggest you reread mine.

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          • Duker

             /  29th August 2020

            level 2 is very similar to Sweden non lockdown… except here its a transition to no restrictions while they are in permanent level 2 for the foreseeable;e future…something about herd immunity

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  29th August 2020

              That’s a triumph of hope over experience. No sign the Auckland infections are ending even at its level 3. And yet it is going to level 2. Could easily have done the same in March.

              Every sign our go hard lockdowns have been a costly failure.

      • I think we have more Covid cases coming out of Level 3 than going in to it on the 12th August. Seems to me, they’re getting very good at wrecking economies, shutting people down and ordering the wearing of masks, rather than dealing with Covid. A clown show in my opinion, but heartening for those waiting for Jacinda to tell them what to do next.

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        • MaureenW

           /  29th August 2020

          Still can’t get my head around people flying into the country with Covid .. 7 yesterday. Why aren’t they being stopped at the departure point.

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          • duperez

             /  29th August 2020

            Isn’t the only way to be certain of stopping those with covid at the departure point is to not let anyone leave the departure point? Can you be tested, be found to be free of it and pick it up on the way to or at the airport? Or on the plane.

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            • The only way would to have them in quarantine at the other end, or do the 3 & 12 day tests, and even then, as you say, they might catch it on the way. I can’t see any way around this one.

        • Duker

           /  29th August 2020

          “I think we have more Covid cases coming out of Level 3 than going in to it on the 12th August”
          Not so . Going into lockdown it was estimated that there was 40 others who had covid but hadnt been tested. The 1st case was about 1 Aug and was spreading all that time till lockdown around 12th

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      • Fight4nz

         /  29th August 2020

        “could have applied in March to virtually the same circumstances.“
        Asleep at the wheel again? Since March there have been a couple of hundred thousand tests, is it?, plus genome and surface testing, substantially increased border testing (you remember that hysterics surely?) and a whole bunch of people quarantined. So in terms of the outbreak virtually everything has changed.

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        • duperez

           /  29th August 2020

          What do you reckon the country would have looked like with the ‘no lockdown, business as usual’ approach advocated on here and in other places? You know, none of the approaches used by the government being carried out because they were all wrong.

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          • Fight4nz

             /  29th August 2020

            I am not sure you can say who has been right or wrong yet.
            It also depends greatly on what you consider acceptable losses.

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            • duperez

               /  29th August 2020

              Acceptable loss is having others than oneself and family, friends and acquaintances die.
              People have been saying who is wrong from day one. And claiming to know they were right.

          • Duker

             /  29th August 2020

            Exponential increase !
            we could have been having 100 -150 new cases per day, thats what happened in Melbourne as they went softly softly at first. the deaths would come later , 5 or 10 per day then getting up to 20 deaths per day.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  29th August 2020

          Could and should have applied border testing, isolation and quarantine then.

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  29th August 2020

    Folks remember,the people(POLICE) who watch your speed on the road have a ZERO POLICY for speeding now,so Corky if you can get your old dunger up to 101kmh going down a long hill YOU WILL BE FINED ask for a photo

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  7. Duker

     /  29th August 2020

    A new entry in the Facisim has arrived ‘ file suggested by pink David/wilco
    Who knew it wasn’t just a left wing thing
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/28/far-right-activists-filmed-hassling-asylum-seekers-in-hotels

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  30th August 2020

      You know fascism has arrived when you are not allowed to go to the beach and the police are ordered to fine people doing 1% over the speed limit. The lunatics are still in charge of the asylum.

      In better news Trump is looking odds on to win again and send the Lefty mob into another shrieking depressive spiral.

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      • Duker

         /  30th August 2020

        Right on cue the ‘lunatics’ who think speeding laws that already exist shouldnt be enforced…what will happen is reasonable people will admit they were speeding and get a warning , while those Garrys and Karens who launch into a tirade about police state will get the ticket. The police have made their own decision about this .

        Goof luck with that ‘Trump win again’ …. its just a post convention bump that all candidates get. As usual the GOP stole Leonard Cohens music ‘Hallelujah’ to play not once but twice including a live performance by an opera singer.
        What is it about right wings parties and stealing music , Joyce did the same here which caused more rukus than the Green School as taking others peoples property isnt a national party core principle..apparently.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  30th August 2020

          I’m going to be laughing again in November. Cops are going to be a laughing stock too. Labour’s support will keep eroding. Better hope October comes quickly, Duker.

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