“The Govt was afraid of the political backlash if it left Auckland in lockdown”

It looked to me like the Government was something like “afraid of the political backlash if it left Auckland in lockdown”, and appeasing Auckland is part of the reason for keeping the rest of the country in level 2 when there is no Covid cases anywhere else apart from a handful in Tokoroa.

But I don’t think the Government “is now letting the rest of NZ do it’s dirty work for it”.

Response from the rest of the country has been mixed.

Stuff: Auckland visitors welcomed back to Queenstown and Christchurch

Queenstown businesses say they are thrilled to welcome Auckland visitors back to the region after a quiet few weeks.

Air New Zealand had seven direct flights scheduled to land in Queenstown on Monday bringing thousands of visitors to the region.

Aucklanders rushed to book holidays in the resort following Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s announcement that level-three lockdown, which prevented domestic travel from the city, would be lifted on Monday.

Queenstown Lakes mayor Jim Boult said the arrival of Aucklanders back in Queenstown was fantastic, from an economic point of view.

“Auckland is our largest single market by a country mile, and we definitely need to keep our economy going as hard as we can.

“It’s great to see them here,” he said.

Some Aucklanders headed for Christchurch where Marissa Palmer, 34, said a small number of people were not following social distancing rules at Auckland Airport.

“They’re just simple rules … it’s not rocket science,” she said.

Simple rules? I’m not clear on what the current rules are.

Restrictions of people from Auckland like above Taupo running race example are obviously happening, and there are a lot of concerns about a surge in internal travel from Auckland around the country.

Actually Jacinda Ardern has asked Aucklanders not to attend mass gatherings elsewhere in the country, but in some cases this seems to be being ignored.

NZH: Aucklanders heading to Queenstown for tech conference

A conference being held in Queenstown this week includes at least one Aucklander as a guest, despite Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s call for people from the city to avoid mass gatherings.

It comes amid concern of Covid-19 spreading from Auckland, and with memories fresh of a significant cluster — linked to 39 cases — emerging from the World Hereford Conference in Queenstown in March.

The Morgo conference is being held at the Heritage Hotel on Thursday and Friday.

Having Aucklanders attending the conference appears to directly contravene Ardern’s plea on Sunday calling for people from the city to avoid mass gatherings.

“Please don’t attend a mass gathering, even if it is not in Auckland,” she said.

NZH: Aucklanders shouldn’t be going to Queenstown for conferences – Chris Hipkins

Health Minister Chris Hipkins says he is not comfortable with Aucklanders travelling to conferences in Queenstown and has called on the city’s residents to “do the right thing”.

Health Minister Chris Hipkins says he is not comfortable with Aucklanders travelling to conferences in Queenstown and has called on the city’s residents to “do the right thing”.

“We are asking Aucklanders to continue to take their alert level restrictions with them.”

Aren’t we more or less at the same alert level throughout New Zealand now?

It’s quite confusing with all of the country at alert level 2 but with some special sub-rules for Auckland.

The alert level restrictions in Auckland meant people should not be attending gatherings of more than 10 people in the city, he said.

“So if Aucklanders are travelling to other parts of the country the same rules should apply.”

The Government was asking for “goodwill” from Aucklanders, he said.

“We are asking for Aucklanders to play their part as they have done over the last three weeks in keeping the country safe.

“There is never going to be a 100 per cent enforceable system when it comes to these types of restrictions so we are asking people to do the right thing.”

It has been shown already that people bending and breaking rules will happen, so it’s a concern if the Government is relying on appeals to the public rather than rules.

This looks messy.

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50 Comments

  1. Ray

     /  3rd September 2020

    If Covid breaks out in other regions next week or even worse in the South Island, Labour’s political advantage will almost surely fly out the window.

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  2. John J Harrison

     /  3rd September 2020

    People are becoming increasingly pissed off at “ mother “ dictating ad nauseum like little 3 year olds.
    It is clear that the two new outbreaks in AKL are confined to the Pacific community.
    As this is the case a large number refuse to be tested or alert authorities to their illnesses because they are here illegally.
    That is not racist but a bald fact !
    Ardern and Labour have finally realized that increasing lock downs is no longer realistic, especially when they have failed miserably in a number of areas in addressing the issue.
    Their incompetence will be accentuated as Peters goes rogue and leaks in the coming weeks.
    The ONLY option is to copy Taiwan or Thailand in effectively addressing Covid.
    At the current time Ardern is destroying our businesses sector which is the funder of the health sector.
    Be that in employment thus paying GST, PAYE and tax on profits.
    Dumb !
    We must get to level 1 ASAP and learn to live with Covid as we live with the common flu, measles, dengue fever etc.

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    • Blazer

       /  3rd September 2020

      ‘As this is the case a large number refuse to be tested or alert authorities to their illnesses because they are here illegally.’

      provide the evidence.

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      • Gerrit

         /  3rd September 2020

        Is a Herald report good enough?

        “An estimate in 2017 put the number of overstayers in New Zealand at around 11,000. A friend of a Malaysian overstayer said his friend has been suffering from severe cough and cold for the past two weeks. “He just tries to self medicate and use Google to find out more about his symptoms,” said the friend, who did not want to be named. The overstayer was reluctant to seek medical help even from a GP, his friend said. “He is worried because he thinks that with Covid-19, all information will be passed on to central government and that could result with his deportation.” ”

        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12358079

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  3. Gerrit

     /  3rd September 2020

    Us Aucklander’s went south and told people we were from the Tron. Welcomed with open arms. People who said they were from Auckland got the bum’s rush.

    Secret is don’t tell where you are from.

    I guess the next stage for the socialist government will be internal passports to control pesky people in regional lock downs.

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    • Cartes d’identite like the ones we had to carry in Belgium when we lived there ?

      The photos on them are horrendous. they make passport ones look like glamour photos.

      It’s beyond me why we all have to wear masks on buses because a couple of Aucklanders caught C19 on a bus.I wore my homemade one for the first time; as it’s old t-shirt cotton, it didn’t feel too bad, but roll on the end of the insanity.

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  4. NOEL

     /  3rd September 2020

    There is no doubt that the original cases circulated in the PI community but to date they make up just over half of the cases linked to the cluster.
    https://theconversation.com/aucklands-rapid-lockdown-has-given-new-zealand-a-better-chance-of-eliminating-coronavirus-again-145011

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  5. duperez

     /  3rd September 2020

    50% want to be trusted, treated like adults left to make the decisions they think are right. Suit themselves because they know what is best for them and automatically it

    50% want hard and fast rules, clear definition for everyone and not feeling there are people ‘getting away with’ stuff that they can’t or wouldn’t.

    But, there are always the buts … the ‘except fors’… ‘although in some circumstances’ … with the proviso that … and so on.

    That goes for one issue or one element of one issue, on one day but not the next.

    That’s people. That’s us. That’s the reality for a government.

    The balance is about pissing as few off as possible, as little as possible, as infrequently as possible. And not having to spend too much time energy and focus on placating the pissed off.

    Afraid of political backlash? It’s fear of backlash that drives the ship. Naturally it would be desirable for there to be ‘strong, decisive’ leadership. We couldn’t handle that though.

    John J Harrison says people are becoming increasingly pissed off at “mother’ dictating ad nauseum as if to little 3 year olds. If Ardern got on her hind legs and went all dictator about everything, ‘strong, decisive’ leadership, the Harrisons would say they don’t want to be told. how it’s going to be. If Ardern pussys around she’d be as weak as water, indecisive and not strong enough. They cry because they get told something, they run home to mummy if they’re not told something. And they complain about being treated as three year olds?

    I’m looking forward to the next pandemic. The best part’s going to be the early part. We’ve been told we should copy Sweden’s approach. We should copy Thailand. We should copy Taiwan. We should copy Australia. We should copy Cambodia. We should copy Vietnam. Regardless of their circumstances, cultures, societal organisation, health systems (and the history of those) and geography they are who we should follow.

    Or maybe we pave our own path and say it’s just something to live with and get used to and lay out a set of suggestions for people to follow if they think it will be to their advantage. The backlash from the ‘DO SOMETHING!’ brigade will be a sight to see.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  3rd September 2020

      You have summed up the fallacy of Public Health. In reality only individuals can look after and make decisions about their own health unless we become prisoners of the State.

      Simple choice.

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      • duperez

         /  3rd September 2020

        Only we can look after and make decisions about our own health all right. What comes next when we’ve made decisions?

        To avoid being prisoners of the State the state has nothing to do with health? Don’t take our dollop of taxes which go to health, have all the health services private? We spend our money how we want.

        And when a ‘big issue’ occurs like the pandemic what happens? We would be free not prisoners of the state, it’s every man for himself? Public Health being a fallacy and all.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  3rd September 2020

          Public health ends at being required to take reasonable measures not to harm others.

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          • duperez

             /  3rd September 2020

            And there’s one of the dilemmas. Who determines what ‘taking reasonable measures not to harm others’ is, and when, and what’s to be done about it?

            A public system doing it is ‘nanny state.’ People deciding individually, the ‘ I’m responsible, I know what’s right and will make the right decisions’ approach, is the alternative.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  3rd September 2020

              Being locked down on the vanishingly small chance you are infectious and don’t know it is not reasonable.

            • duperez

               /  3rd September 2020

              Fair enough. The problem with ‘reasonable’ is that it is subjective.

              A pandemic situation occurs and everyone makes up their own mind what to do? Each judges the chance, vanishingly small or whatever, and takes their own path?

              Or there is a rapid referendum and the majority rules? Or someone charged with ‘public health’ decision has the power to decide the path?

            • The numbers here don’t seem to justify the severity of the response, and the incredible incompetence of things like the failure to test and the message that 700,000 people should be tested are likely to make people question the wisdom of the powers that be.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  3rd September 2020

              Or someone charged with ‘public health’ decision has the power to decide the path?

              Definitely not. That makes him a dictator and us slaves.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  3rd September 2020

              Drat. Italics should end after first sentence.

            • Duker

               /  3rd September 2020

              “The numbers here don’t seem to justify the severity of the response,”
              thats what they thought in Victoria too, it started as a little outbreak too for the new outbreak

              Their DEATHS alone are 591.
              The real reason here was because the known cases was 4 but the likely was 40 , which we know know from testing , mostly of contacts of those 4 was about right when we did the lockdown

            • duperez

               /  3rd September 2020

              Kitty, how do you tell how the numbers are going to pan out. Is it is better to have a response which is too severe or one which is too lax?

              I have the feeling I know how you would react if the response were too timid ending in a dire situation.

            • duperez

               /  3rd September 2020

              AW: You don’t want some bureaucrat dictator with us being mere slaves. You don’t want politicians telling us what to do. I’ll back up a bit.

              When a ‘big issue’ like a pandemic occurs do you want everyone to make up their own minds about what they do? Everyone does what they think is best, it’s every man for himself?

              Or do you want a rapid referendum and whatever the majority wants is how it is to be?

            • Taiwan seems to have got it right without the drama queens doing their thing that we have had here. Nor have they stuffed their economy as a result of keeping C19 under control.

              There has to be a happy medium between hysterical over-reaction which does more harm than good and laissez-faire.

            • Fight4nz

               /  4th September 2020

              “ The problem with ‘reasonable’ is that it is subjective.”
              The reason you’re feeling that this obvious and rational statement is not being given any credence is that your not dealing with rational, you are dealing with ideologues, sorry to say. At least not everyone who reads this has obstinately closed minds.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  4th September 2020

              Dunno why you are backing up, dups. I think it’s quite clear. People should be left to take their own precautions for themselves and take reasonable measures not to infect others. Businesses should take their own measures to protect their staff and customers. Courts are well used to interpreting what is reasonable.

            • Fight4nz

               /  5th September 2020

              Wouldn’t disagree with anything you have said there.
              However I do back that reasonably is subjective. You have said the reasonable course is airlines pretest incoming travellers, free reign for all here, vanishing small risk. Others interpret greater risk, want strong lockdown and zero travel.
              Subjective. And to claim to know the answer unequivocally is not credible.

  6. alloytoo

     /  3rd September 2020

    Minister of Heath wants Aucklanders to maintain 2.5 restrictions if they travel outside Auckland, he doesn’t want social gatherings of more than 10 people, and distancing to be observed.

    Has the Minister of Health observed the gatherings outside primary school gates more than 10 people, no social distancing, because the Ministry of education has told schools not to open the gates until 15 minutes before the bell.

    Perhaps the Minister of Health should consult with the Minister of Education……..oh wait……

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  7. Tom Hunter

     /  3rd September 2020

    Mean time my oldest reports that after just two days he’s seeing people not wearing masks on Auckland buses.

    People are just done with this shite.

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    • The only reason I wore one was because I was afraid of a fine, although the chances of being caught are minuscule here, I imagine.

      The idea that we all have to wear them because a couple of Aucklanders caught C19 on a bus is ridiculous.

      One case today (one in the community, another in isolation, but they are no danger to anyone) Meanwhile the rest of the country is like the innocent pupils being kept in because of one or two naughty ones. I couldn’t believe that the seats in a mall were gone again !

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    • MaureenW

       /  3rd September 2020

      People are done with this shit. Begrudgingly accepted the first lockdown- there were many unknown but since then … it’s a clown show. Be grateful you don’t live in Melbourne.

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      • Duker

         /  3rd September 2020

        Polls show numbers are very still around 80% or so support for first and second lockdowns.
        Don’t say people are done when it’s only a small portion

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        • MaureenW

           /  3rd September 2020

          I’m done with it. People I speak to are done with it.

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          • Duker

             /  3rd September 2020

            Yawn….there’s always a selfish minority..a tiny minority in this car
            National and Act support beating the virus…there’s that wacko dude who thinks it’s all a hoax…perhaps that’s your only choice

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          • Maureen, the PM has announced an extension to L2.

            I think that many people are fed up with it.

            I see nothing selfish about not wanting even more job losses and hardship.

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  8. Duker

     /  3rd September 2020

    “John J Harrison says people are becoming increasingly pissed off at “mother’ dictating ad nauseum as if to little 3 year olds. I”

    hahahah, a poll the other day hada bit more tahn 80% of the country supporting “mother”
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12361007

    The mauve colours are support , the brown are opposed
    With the darkest being extend lockdown or no lockdown at all. So Harrisons cohort are around 6-7%

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  3rd September 2020

      Shows how wet Wellington is.

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      • Duker

         /  3rd September 2020

        Just shows how ignorant harrison is about the world outside his bubble

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        • John J Harrison

           /  3rd September 2020

          Duker, another fail.
          The number 2 months ago had “ mother “ at nearly 100%.
          People are becoming “ more pissed off “ as your stats suggest.
          Next month the support for “ mother “ will be below 50% based on the decreasing trend.

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          • Duker

             /  3rd September 2020

            Dont show your ignorance any more, you were talking about NOW.
            There was a never a ‘nearly 100%’

            Indeed these numbers were in the early to mid 80%

            The poll, which surveyed 575 people and is demographically weighted, found that 84% of people were satisfied with the government’s response to the pandemic. It is the fifth consecutive poll in which the assessment has been overwhelmingly positive.
            The first Stickybeak Covid-response survey, conducted immediately following Jacinda Ardern’s announcement of a move into lockdown on March 23, showed 80% support for the response. The four times we’ve asked the question since, that number has been higher, respectively: 83%, 86%, 84% and again, as we report today, 84%.

            https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/16-06-2020/exclusive-new-poll-public-support-for-covid-response-remains-sky-high/
            Find a wine barrel and climb into it…. we dont need to read your stupid claims here

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            • Harry

               /  5th September 2020

              Your faith in polls is touching. You might recall some polls that declared Hillary Clinton was going to become president, and Donald Trump didn’t stand a chance.

            • Duker

               /  5th September 2020

              Different polls about different things
              The US polls were RIGHT about Clinton leading , as she won the popular vote . However the popular vote doesnt win the Presidency , the electoral college does.
              NZ is lucky the the popular vote DOES directly lead to the number of MPs a party has, as thats a feature of MMP. Regional differences and seats dont matter in the final washup.
              So you are snookered there.
              even on the Westminster system this was the polls for UK December 2019 election…Guess what?

              UK has only constituencies so the % doesnt directly lead numbers of seats. Its clear the polls picked the winner

          • Patzcuaro

             /  3rd September 2020

            You seem to have an unhealthy fixation with “mother”.

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  9. David

     /  3rd September 2020

    Imagine being in Manhattan at the moment with a population of 1.5 million and 53 new covid cases yesterday and zero deaths and the city is locked down still.

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    • Duker

       /  3rd September 2020

      No its not in lockdown, its what we would call level 2 back in late July. They have their numbering the other way round , phase 4 , the current is leading into what we would call level 1

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      • Where is that ? I can’t find it.

        It makes sense to have the lowest level the lowest number, I think.

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        • Duker

           /  5th September 2020

          “On Friday, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo called Phase 4 a “hallmark.”
          “There are no more phases,” he said. “We are all in the final phase of reopening. And that’s great.”

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