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Patzcuaro
/ 6th September 2020Forbes ranks NZ second safest country for COVID-19 up from 9th in June.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2020/09/03/the-100-safest-countries-for-covid-19-updated/#42dddb3909ed
lurcher1948
/ 6th September 2020Saint Jacinda Ardern who protects,and has your back and will never take your rest and meal breaks of you like that other wannabe challengers party.🤨
Kitty Catkin
/ 6th September 2020She also increased the number of people who need emergency housing by 300% or thereabouts, her lockdowns have made unemployment and failed business numbers rise and keep rising, poverty has increased, not decreased….
She has taken people’s jobs and incomes off them and increased the national debt to an extent that it will take generations to pay it back.
Duker
/ 6th September 2020Lockdowns supported by National and Act…that leaves you only with JLR and Billy T as your fellow travellers in selfishland
Kitty Catkin
/ 6th September 2020You must know by now that they supported the original idea of one four weeks lockdown, not the extension that made it almost twice that and did so much harm.
Have you not heard about the enormous damage done to Auckland by the latest lockdown and that businesses are really suffering and many will have to close? Or that people are going hungry and need charity to provide them with food ?
National and ACT did not support the testing of a tiny number of border workers and lying that they had all been done (or even, as the PM claimed, that they had refused the tests that they hadn’t been offered and had been asking to have)
They didn’t support people being sent on a fool’s errand to be tested because the MoH said that 700,000 people should be tested (and the PM said that people shouldn’t believe what they see on social media, although it was the MoH who put it there)
They didn’t support the gross incompetency that endangered so many people.
Duker
/ 6th September 2020Thats rubbish ..the 4 week was only extendeda few days to allow time for the level 3 to be implemented and ‘start the week’
Midnight 25th March ( wed) to Midnight 27th April(Sun)
No wonder your cognitive ability is questioned, just like Trumps
Nats and ACT supported the 4 weeks then flip flopped to have it shorter and they suffered in the polls accordingly .
Collins now avoids any mention of ‘ending lockdowns’ – which they support
Fight4nz
/ 6th September 2020https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/08/17/903157458/south-korea-faces-new-spike-in-covid-19-after-months-of-low-infection-rates
Developments in South Korea ominous after cults decide that the whole Covid thing is a hoax and make up their own rules.
Patzcuaro
/ 6th September 2020A number of Christian organizations around the world seem more concern with their rights with little regard for social responsibility. All me and little US.
Jack
/ 6th September 2020Nasty god/God (take your pick) stuff. If it makes you cringe, imagine what it’s doing to him
Patzcuaro
/ 6th September 2020Usually it is the institution and people in that are the problem not God.
Jack
/ 6th September 2020So true Patz. I would say always.
I wish to add, as a generality, that if the Christian fellowship you’re involved with is not perfect in your eyes then it indicates you’re not carrying your cross. It means you’re on a cult slide.
Church is not an institution
Kitty Catkin
/ 6th September 2020I can’t see how Taiwan isn’t the safest or why Germany is the safest; it should be the other way round. Or are death rates not considered in the equation ?
Patzcuaro
/ 6th September 2020Perhaps Forbes didn’t want to upset the Chinese government, they are a little sensitive about their “renegade province”. Taiwan is not recognized as a country by the U.N.
David
/ 6th September 2020Alison Mau makes some interesting points but the name suppression of the guy who misbehaved at the Labour youth camp I feel is wrong. [I don’t want any discussion on anything under court non publication (suppression) orders whether it is correct, incorrect or otherwise – PG] but apparently I could be wrong but someone in that position is being unfairly besmirched which is always the problem with name suppression.
Part of the deterrent and the punishment has always been the public naming of the crook but more and more people are getting name suppression and the Labour guy got it because of the social media pile on. That is a crazy reason, if its that bad then turn off your social media or dont read the comments its that simple.
Better still just behave yourself and let the publicity of this rooster be the deterrent to others and then more young people may avoid being victims.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300099878/final-act-of-labour-youth-camp-case-could-be-a-gamechanger
lurcher1948
/ 6th September 2020[I don’t want any discussion on anything under court non publication (suppression) orders whether it is correct, incorrect or otherwise – PG]
Alan Wilkinson
/ 6th September 2020Mau praising name suppression for (Lefty) sex offenders, Vance complaining about people calling the PM Cindy, Extinction Rebellion blockading newspapers in Britain, Louise Nicholson complaining a convicted sex offending actor is allowed to produce a play – just another day in paradise for the loony Left.
David
/ 6th September 2020I was surprised Mau is more concerned about the perpetrator on social media than the victims, it seems politics is more important than all the work she has been doing over the last several years.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 6th September 2020Politics is always everything for the Left.
duperez
/ 6th September 2020😊
Alan Wilkinson
/ 6th September 2020Can you imagine Mau writing the same column had it been a National party affray?
Patzcuaro
/ 6th September 2020Whereas power is everything for the right.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 6th September 2020If you mean individual freedom and responsibility I agree.
Duker
/ 6th September 2020Another entry for the file ‘Facism has arrived because foot path diners at cafe were harassed’
At protests the other day after another black man died in police custody some months back in Rochester
duperez
/ 6th September 2020Can you imagine anyone having a go at her if at every instance she chanted ‘Politics is always everything for the Left’ or ‘Power is everything for the right’?
She would rightfully be mocked and derided.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 6th September 2020Why on earth would she need to chant what she automatically practises?
Jack
/ 6th September 2020Mau wasn’t interested in my important case. So I gently questioned that, then she got huffy. Vitriolic. A bit confusing – she writes in a convincing fashion, as though she cares. In my case she behaved as though she needed to protect the world from me, one victim. It’s only certain stories that make her grade, something to do with glory I think
Jack
/ 6th September 2020Social media should only ever be policed by society, with very few laws attached to it.
The abusive young man has been denied a chance to learn the hard way.
The only things we need protected from are suggestions to suicide and various forms of violence, spitting included
Duker
/ 6th September 2020He was discharged without conviction…. as far as the Justice system goes he has no criminal record
Call me Ishmael...
/ 6th September 2020“loony left” … angry old white man who complains about “cancel culture” uses it to deprecate views that are different to his own.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 6th September 2020No, only to identify the Lefty extremists many of whom self identify by taking offence.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 6th September 2020I should add that of course I am very happy for the loony Left to speak up and reveal their foolishness whereas the “cancel culture” seeks to suppress every opinion but their own.
Duker
/ 6th September 2020Cancel Culture has always been around …just ask Hone Harawira or Kim Dotcom
Fight4nz
/ 6th September 2020“the Lefty extremists”?
“a lame diversionary habit”
Alan Wilkinson
/ 6th September 2020B.s. Like this one:
https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/09/arrest-warrant-against-michael-reinoehl-for-2nd-degree-murder-unlawful-use-of-a-firearm-unsealed.html
Jack
/ 6th September 2020https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12362213
Morbid and dark. Might be worthwhile if the storyline included how his victims found laughter and light. I doubt very much that his work will lighten the load of those with suicidal thoughts. Hopefully no harm in people seeing for themselves.
Duker
/ 6th September 2020No wonder they ‘disestablished’ Louise Nichols…I can see how no one was listening anymore
Kimbo
/ 6th September 2020Loved this piece of breezy insouciant gas-lighting from Mau:
”The case also helped force Labour examine its culpability and do better and do better on issues of sexual harassment, assault, and bullying and ensure its complaints procedures and rules on alcohol and host responsibility are up to scratch.”
Yeah, coz if it had happened in a National or ACT political youth function, there is just no way that “toxic”, “systemic”, “institutional” and “misogyny” would have appeared instead of the tame, “helped”, “do better”, “ensure”, and “up to scratch”. 🙄
Blazer
/ 6th September 2020Check out the Mike Sabin ‘story’.
Kimbo
/ 6th September 2020Oh, yes, and apologies forgetting the crowd favourite that was meant to be the target of Mau’s efforts these last few years…”rape culture”. 😬
Duker
/ 6th September 2020The blossoms are out and a stray bee has got in your bonnet.
Dont you think its a bit ‘ethereal’ to criticise for something you have imagined…. after all certain senior MP and his paramours in the offices of the national party in parliament are a bit higher up the ladder than a callow drunken youth, who wasnt even a party member, at a weekend camp.
Kimbo
/ 6th September 2020Not even tempted to entertain that sort of toleration of rape culture. But clearly you are, so knock yourself out…
Duker
/ 6th September 2020The bee has got into your mouth now…
Since you werent there , lets go to the complainat who was
The court found that NO sexual offence had occured.
So stick that in your rape culture bonnet ( that you hijacked from Mau and Nichols…laughable)… you of all people , outraged suddenly
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/115507696/labour-youth-camp-trial-indecent-assault-charges-withdrawn-accused-pleads-guilty-to-assault
I think the misogyny words was from ..you know actual people there for the Young ACT complaints
“Young Act vice-president resigns, claiming sexual harassment
“For months I have been sexually harassed, slutshamed, and ignored.”
Gammeter, who is from Victoria University, said in the tweet she was “not the only victim of this behaviour in our ranks”.
hmmm a Vice President
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12330137
Kimbo
/ 6th September 2020Sorry, since when is “the court found NO…” (caps lock noted) “…sexual offence had occurred” a rebuttal of “rape culture”?! Especially when, as per Mau’s own summation, the case “helped force Labour…do better on issues of sexual assault”. That’s her call, not yours, mine, the judges, nor the verdict (which I am not disputing, btw, and actually, on balance, name suppression is probably the right decision).
Nonetheless as per my point, it is Mau’s selective morality that is obnoxious. Typical left wing gaslighting on the misogyny issue. When it occurs in a realm of the political spectrum with which the Woke media likely disagree “systemic” gets trotted out, as too do the undoubted examples of right wing politicians who have crossed the line, and a “root and branch” demand for radical change.
But on the other side of the political divide? Sanctimonious twaddle and double standards about how an amorphous “we” should all take note and responsibility concerning the example in question, including internet culture (?!) and the accompanying soft soap “helped…do better…up to scratch.”
And why, while their may have been merit in Mau’s initial project, it’s credibility has been forfeited by her hypocrisy. Time for others to pick up the mantle.
Kimbo
/ 6th September 2020And this as an example from Mau regarding Judith Collins’ actions after Andrew Falloon’s actions and accompanying lies came to light:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300061996/national-mp-andrew-falloon-scandal-lets-not-forget-the-women-affected-by-this
…and Mau, with typical arrogance concludes that there are things “that Collins can and should do immediately if we…” (really, Ali? Just wondering who appointed you the arbiter and judge of morality and credibility? How about you just speak for…yourself?) “…are to take her icy outrage on the telly seriously”.
Duker
/ 6th September 2020We know how concerned Collins was about the Women
First of all shes believes the MP fully until she pricks up ears to hear what probably was known in wider circles
“”Andrew Falloon is still a human being, and he has a family.”
and
‘Asked whether there was a culture problem in the National Party, Collins said “there are sections of society where excess alcohol use and pornography are an issue”.
“The National Party is part of society, we like any other organisation will have people who fail that test.”
So shes admitted that …its a society problem.
There you have a full gaslighting , no wonder Mau said there was ‘more she could do ‘
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/421663/judith-collins-believes-ex-mp-andrew-falloon-lied-over-indecent-image-message
Kimbo
/ 6th September 2020And contrast that with Mau’s assessment of Labour when a parliamentary senior staffer was accused of sexual harassment:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/115064334/alison-mau
“The much bigger issue is how Labour, other political parties and beyond that Parliament can transform into safe working environments free from bullying and harassment
Ah, I see what you did there! And let me be very clear I have no problems with Collins’ actions, including those regarding Andrew Falloon being put under the blow torch, and her credibility being tested…when that is the issue at hand.
So back to Mau and the Labour Party being held to similar account:
I think… Oh, now there’s a change. No royal “we” from the mountain top this time! …Labour has seriously underestimated its internal issues. It looks to have a blind spot about sexual harassment.
Oh dear, how…unpleasant. A “blind spot”?! No demanding of Ardern or whomever else is directly responsible in the Parliamentary Labour Party that they have to prove their credibility?!
Go gaslight someone else, Ali.
Kimbo
/ 6th September 2020Nope. “We…” (1st person plural pronoun) “…will have people that fail” = ownership.
Kimbo
/ 6th September 2020But just to be clear, Duker, you seem to be confirming my analysis that those who are leading the Woke anti-misogyny charge are insisting National has an inherent sexual harassment and/or abuse culture problem for which it’s leaders such as Collins refuse to take responsibility
…yet Labour does not. At. All. And @ny evidence to the contrary concerning Labour is…National!
Thanks for clearing that up.
Duker
/ 6th September 2020Which party had a vice president resign recently because of the awful sexism within
Which party this term has has 2 MPs who were ….well it’s hard to put it in a sentence but they were drummed out because of their antics .. not counting the donation aspect.
You have one callow youth , not a party member, who admitted 2 assaults but was discharged without conviction, indicating it was at the bottom of the scale
Kimbo
/ 6th September 2020Cheers, so the answer from Labour Party apologists about whether they have a culture of sexual harassment and abuse is indeed…”but National!”
”You have one callow youth…”. And fascinating to see that in your mind that troublesome Parliamentary staffer has been flushed down the memory hole/air-brushed out of history. How very reassuring for the complainants.
Duker
/ 6th September 2020No . You said that.
You said Mau was gaslighting because in an imaginary case of a national youth camp she ‘ might’ve ‘ been far tougher.
I just pointed out some real cases in national to help you in your search for equivalence …when it’s staring you in the face..
For Young Act we have a vice president testimoney
For Young nats we could think about the so called princess party’s.
Have found this guidance helpfully for your jihad against Alison Mau in which you are clearly the NZs leading expert…in bs
Kimbo
/ 6th September 2020And yet we still have the example of Mau’s timid rhetoric about the Labour Party and a Parliamentary staffer for whom they were responsible compared to her unequivocal calling into question Collins’ credibility dealing with allegations of abuse.
Sufficiently equivalent to illustrate the point. But if you want to continue arguing they are not identical…sorry, correction: if you want to refuse to acknowledge the complaints against the staffer even exist and therefore, by implication, you must consider it entirely irrelevant to discerning Mau’s credibility, knock yourself out…
Kimbo
/ 6th September 2020And then there’s this from Mau,
“It’s deeply ironic that the people who will be most outraged by this decision (except perhaps for the complainants, more on that later)…
Oh, ok, Must be something forthright. So let’s wade through Ali’s word salad until we finally get to “more later”, a casual one-off mention
,,,real people to consider. One of the complainants told me he still feels justice has not been done, and is appalled the case has taken two and a half years to travel through the courts.
And that’s it! But, hey, no problem. “Victimising the victim again” implicitly acknowledged, so that’s the box ticked. No obfuscation or dissembling to see here…
Duker
/ 6th September 2020Your corns giving you trouble too ? Much to be outrage about….ACt and National not so much.
Did you even read the complainants evidence in Court…didnt think so..outrage is dish best served cold.
Blazer
/ 6th September 2020I thought Mau was apolitical.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 6th September 2020Ha ha.
Duker
/ 6th September 2020Time for some more
porkysjokesDuker
/ 6th September 2020Opps forgot the image
Jack
/ 6th September 2020Too right.
Power for the individual – un-cult
John J Harrison
/ 6th September 2020I have just watched the greatest train wreck in a long time on Q & A.
Jack Tame interviewing Peters.
Tame ( of whom I am not a fan ) clinically eviscerated Peters with a range of questions about the SFO, leaking the Green school fiasco etc.
Peters refused to provide an answer to any and got so heated he referred to Tame on multiple occasions as “ James. “
Tame politely reminded Peters his name was Jack but Peters – unhinged, repeatedly referred to him as “ James. “
Peters is losing it and it was on full display.
A wonderful Fathers Day gift.
Duker
/ 6th September 2020This ‘James’ ?
Wait till your Judith or your David have their turn… The National Party is already involved in an actual SFO prosecution and she had some recent mud slinging of her own which will have “questions”
David
/ 6th September 2020I am supposed to be in Texas today, was going to NASA, a hoe down, a stay on a ranch, a visit to the Houston ZOO and their museums and all sorts of other things and a side trip to Nashville.
Probably would have taken in a Trump rally.
Duker
/ 6th September 2020Arent US borders closed to Kiwis , same as the borders in Australia and Canada?
Kitty Catkin
/ 6th September 2020If they weren’t, he’d be there.
Kitty Catkin
/ 6th September 2020While those would not be my own choice for a holiday, I would love to be able to hop on a plane and go somewhere…at least with winter approaching on the other side of the world, it won’t seem so bad that we can’t do so. I have been through European winters and wouldn’t want to be in another one.
My sympathy to you, how disappointing !
Duker
/ 6th September 2020You can transit through Australia, Singapore, Dubai or Hong Kong to Europe, which doesnt restrict NZers because we have been so successful at BEATING THE VIRUS – no need to thank JA and labour
Kitty Catkin
/ 6th September 2020You do realise that we have got it back and had two deaths, don’t you ?
Duker
/ 6th September 2020To the rest of the world we are still a paradise …in the top 2.
Have you seen the numbers for Ireland with a similar population to us and on an ‘island’ as well. …between 100 and 150 new cases per day they were down to 20 odd 2 months ago.
Kitty Catkin
/ 6th September 2020The rest of the world or one group in the US ?
Had you heard of them before ?
Duker
/ 6th September 2020Trump Rally ? hes too busy for that
news from US suggests that his campaign has would back advertising in some states and that August fundraising is very weak ( and not being released yet because of that, Numbers for July were released by 6 Aug)
David
/ 6th September 2020I dont actually want to travel out of NZ what with all the masks and shenanigans. The whole covid thing is inconvenient when I am at such a tiny tiny risk of having a poor outcome if I caught it. Starting to get annoyed and the infantilization of the world population by politicians worrying about some bad headlines.
Death is a natural phenomenon and we should be trusted to weigh up the risks and live with a certain amount of individual sovereignty. Quite the juxtaposition that we have two referendums granting us agency over our own being and behaviour while being under ridiculous rules.
Fight4nz
/ 6th September 2020Rightly or wrongly the consensus of the vast majority of the world population is to put rules in place to protect individuals from the foolhardiness of other individuals.
The endless references to being treated like children, ridiculousness and insanity are not just beyond tiresome but profoundly ironic in their selfish immaturity.
If you can’t come up with anything better than I want to because I want to or don’t want to, with no regard for the choices of others, then don’t bother.
Duker
/ 6th September 2020Yes. Exactly…he says he’ll be fine, forgetting it’s an infectious disease and travellers especially can be the origin of a cluster of dozens of people.
Ask the unwitting couple in Bluff who had an airline cabin crew member attend.
My own belief is the new Auckland cluster began from an airline crew member but now impossible tomprove
lurcher1948
/ 6th September 2020Trump campaign and his supporters are sinking…its Poseidons way of saying he is annoyed
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhLNSleXgAA0CEs?format=jpg&name=small
David
/ 6th September 2020His poll ratings have lurched back up to pre covid levels, he will win biggly in November.
Duker
/ 6th September 2020That’s not good news..you got to be in positive territory to win a second term
Harry
/ 7th September 2020Trump will win in a landslide. Massive fraud is the only hope that Senile Joe’s campaign has.
duperez
/ 7th September 2020I guess ‘massive fraud’ equals putting the tick in a place where you rather it wasn’t.
🤣
Harry
/ 7th September 2020Anyone go to an anti-lockdown rally on the weekend? I am proud to say I was one of about 200 people at the Auckland event.
Freedom – use it or lose it.
Here is a useful article for the Covidmania true believers:
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/500000-covid19-math-mistake-panic/
duperez
/ 7th September 2020Did you do the Lord’s work by going to a Mt Roskilll church? I hear that’s good for a laugh or as a way to express freedom.