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  1. artcroft

     /  9th September 2020

    New Party out campaigning in Hamilton. Their slogan: Work if you feel like it.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122667603/unemployed-firsttime-voter-vies-for-hamilton-seat-in-parliament

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    • John J Harrison

       /  9th September 2020

      Artcroft, with that slogan I foresee a huge vote swinging from Labour and the Greens to this new party which simply parrots the work ethic of their voters.

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      • duperez

         /  9th September 2020

        Yes, no Green or Labour voters work, want to work or they do work, only do it if they feel like it.

        If generalisations like that are reasonable, is it valid to make childish generalisations about voters for other parties? Shall we have a little game based on that? Or just leave it as is with voters of other parties already clearly having demonstrated their incapacities and sad limitations?

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        • artcroft

           /  9th September 2020

          This guy in the article is not that unusual. I have several relatives who have adopted his career strategy.

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          • duperez

             /  9th September 2020

            The guy has issues. He’s the father of three, he’s never voted, he has difficulty holding down a job and he seems to be trying to indicate that people have ‘flocked’ to him for advice.

            At least the election thing and the attention will give him an interest in life for a while.

            John J Harrison meanwhile seems to want to depict the guy as indicative of the hundreds of thousands (millions?) who get up everyday and go to work and lead positive contributing lives, who vote for the Greens or Labour.

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    • Gerrit

       /  9th September 2020

      $650 per week an a job seekers benefit. Not bad. Wonder if I can change from the pension to a job seekers benefit. Twice the income.

      Better I keep working to pay the taxes to keep the job seekers looking.

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      • Duker

         /  9th September 2020

        “$650 per week an a job seekers benefit.” It said $680
        Thats for father of 3 , but he lives with his parents and custody is shared with his partner
        Its more like $250 pw for a person with no dependents, so his numbers dont make sense, unless he has full time custody. His rrangements doesnt sound right , unless hes renting the house and has his parents and brother as boarders ?
        “his last job was dairy farming – he told Stuff that role lasted four months.”

        ““I can see through most fraud straight away, because there was a time when I was younger when I was a criminally-minded person.”

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    • Blazer

       /  9th September 2020

      ‘work if you feel like it ‘…is the default setting of the entitled wealthy who amassed their wealth by inheritance,luck or criminality.

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  2. Fight4nz

     /  9th September 2020

    Heard the story that 26 recent cases were imported from India off 2 planes only. What’s more they claim they were quarantined and tested before being allowed to board.
    Alan, where does this leave your approach of relying on pre-flight testing and no lockdown?

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  9th September 2020

      You left out the post flight testing. Deliberately?

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      • Fight4nz

         /  9th September 2020

        Not deliberate, just don’t recall full details.
        So maintain quarantine and testing this end also? Doesn’t seem to be much point in preflight testing then? Pretty much what we have?

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  9th September 2020

          Filters more out before they get on a plane and infect others. They are infectious for several weeks so most would be caught by the pre flight test.

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          • Fight4nz

             /  9th September 2020

            That’s what I would have thought too. But these arrivals from India show that you can’t rely on preflight tests as a filter. At least some, which leads to how do you pick the ones you can rely on?
            I would be inclined to ban flights from areas that have proved unreliable.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  10th September 2020

              There certainly should be an investigation into that apparent testing failure.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  10th September 2020

              It isn’t a culture that relies on its honesty.

  3. Brian Johnston

     /  9th September 2020

    The Covid face masks that much of the world including our government makes compulsory wearing are useless. They are dust masks and cannot filter a virus. The virus can go straight through.
    On a recent flight the hostess handed me a mask to wear which came out of a wrap of 100
    masks. They were not individually sealed. If the hostess had the virus on her gloves, I got it good and proper.
    This is another example exposing the Covid scam.

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    • I see little or no point in wearing them in areas where there are no cases.

      Nor does there seem much point in reporters wearing them as they stand outside with no one near except the camera crew.

      I wore one on a bus, but as it’s made of t-shirt material, it’s probably of limited use.

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  4. Jack

     /  9th September 2020

    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/moments-of-great-self-doubt-dr-bloomfield-reveals-anxiety-his-role-causes/ar-BB18M0WU

    Good on him for sharing about the anxiety, but not really. To my mind, that’s not transparency at all. He’s secretly saying that we’re not important enough that he would love his stand-up days more than his days away. This article shows that my calls were right (in one of my books, I wrote a terrible poem about him I’m sorry to say Kitty).
    This sort of ‘transparency’ is nauseating and actually increases the collective anxiety. I think he needs his head examined for this tripe. Fear and accolades are an entrapment, yet Ashley admits he has held us down – a strong man on a good personal wicket imploring our sympathy. Jacinda does this too.

    The good thing about a cult slide is that sooner or later you come out the bottom, and no other adult is strong enough to force you back to the ladder.

    Does Ashley really think that admitting his anxiety to the crowd is meaningful? It’s a form of tyranny and I hope that dozing Christians will wake up. They need to get standing alongside the thinking atheists

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  9th September 2020

      Ok, they’ve done the spend part, now for Labour’s tax part.

      Just yet another way of stopping people doing things and making the country poorer.

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      • Do you really want people to be able to do things and the country to be richer ? WHY ????

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        • lurcher1948

           /  9th September 2020

          Because Saint Jacinda CAN, shes dear leader

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          • No, she wants people to be worse off and not able to be free. There is a difference.

            She wants places like the deep south where there is no C19 to be treated as if it was rife.

            She wants to raise taxes, not lower them. She wants to spend millions on a new public holiday that is designed to buy votes for her and will be paid for by anyone who’s still in business.

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  9th September 2020

    You can rely on Sean Plunkett to upset the god bothers(Christians)he’s upset the faithful and they are crying out “ABUSE THE MUSLIMS” but why it’s Wednesday, abuse a Christian day
    and getting into the spirit of what the faithfull would do to Sean other than a BSA complaint

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  7. Duker

     /  9th September 2020

    Interesting expose by former MP Phillida Bunkle of the dark side of the Alliance party politics
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/six-years-of-unrelenting-bullying-at-parliament

    One person , a staffer not an MP, who isnt named, seems to have been quite the bully and not in a superficial way.

    Doesnt take much to work out who that person is

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    • duperez

       /  9th September 2020

      Disagree about it not taking much to work out who the staffer was. If you put up a list of all the staffers you know were there in the period it would help!

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  9th September 2020

        McCarten, Piesse?

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      • Duker

         /  9th September 2020

        There would be only one staffer who Anderson would protect like that….there was also a hint about 2001 Auckland mayoral election.
        I wonder if this person is still in the background for this election?
        Is it with Tamahere in a reprise of mayoral election last year

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  9th September 2020

      The viciousness of the Left is no surprise.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  9th September 2020

        … except apparently to the PDT.

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      • Duker

         /  9th September 2020

        Wilcos never heard of the Bridges Ross bust up and the payback delivered by Melanie Reid who had help from a top woman in the Nats
        Then there was that disgraced South island mp…..I know so many…who dished dirt on his electorate secretary…..but she had been the game for 20 yrs and was able to hit back twice as hard…ouch
        I could talk about the bust up in the Act party after the 2008 election, so bad they only have had 1 mp since to prevent a repeat….until this election….when another band of swivel eyed loons could return for more mayhem….maybe Seymour could end up like Hide , working for a former bankrupt, his dreams of government baubles dashed

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  10th September 2020

          Your last sentence is so stupidly wrong we can discount the rest as a fantasy product of your twisted malevolence.

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    • Jack

       /  9th September 2020

      Goodness gracious, that reads just like a church story. The churches are very leftish in their (barely there) thinking. Meanwhile, the servant hearted fundraise.

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  8. duperez

     /  9th September 2020

    From news reports today it seems that the people of the Mount Roskill Evangelical Church hit with covid-19 do not believe the virus is a real thing or likely to be problematic. They believe it is ‘made up’ not a ‘real disease.’

    Throughout the world there have been almost a million deaths, 27 million with the virus and about 18 million people recovered from it. It has had an economic impact running into the thousands of billions. While their views may differ, ten of thousands of medical experts have been involved, are involved, in aspects of understanding and sorting it out. Hundreds of thousands of people are involved in medical care of victims.

    The people at the church don’t believe in Covid-19 but they apparently believe in a literal translation of the bible, a pile of stuff written about two thousand years ago.

    They’re entitled to their nuttery but it seems they’re allowed to endanger the health of the whole community. Their attitudes and pattern of behaviour is similar to that of some of the moronic churches in the United States.

    My good Christian side says they should all be locked in their church together, infected ones included, to enjoy a personal lockdown for six months or so. They can read the Bible to break the boredom and pray to their God to save them.

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    • Not only endangering the wider community, also making it more likely that lockdowns will continue longer, which will impact on many businesses and jobs.

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      • Harry

         /  10th September 2020

        The totalitarian policies of the government and the insanely counter productive lockdown policies are what is endangering the wider community.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  9th September 2020

      God has it in for the religious nutters – he’s visited mass infections on them.

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  9. Alan Wilkinson

     /  9th September 2020

    Wondering whose palm got greased to make this happen:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12363652

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    • Whose PALMS, you mean.

      I can make an educated guess, as it always seems to be the same palms; a few names come to mind, but I won’t, of course, name them here.

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    • Duker

       /  9th September 2020

      They applied for consents for water that otherwise runs to the sea…why shouldn’t they get it.
      The story says the started preparing lastbyear

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  9th September 2020

        No reason at all, except for Tainui and Waikato Regional Council furiously inventing some.

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        • Duker

           /  9th September 2020

          They have to give them , various dairy farms take almost as much as Auckland. The government put them on fast track so it would have by passed the WRC completely

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  10. Brian Johnston

     /  9th September 2020

    There is no point in poking fun at the churches.
    The Covid is man made and the truth is there for those who wish to see.
    Many deaths have been attributed to Covid when they have really died of something else.
    Covid is one big socialist control mechanism.
    The cost is criminal.
    Follow the epidemiologists. Doctorates and Ph’ders

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  9th September 2020

      The last are just opportunists seizing their chance for relevance, power and fame.

      The media and politicians have played the problem into a crisis cheered on by the above “experts”.

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    • Duker

       /  9th September 2020

      Covid is not man made, to claim otherwise is false, it’s made by God , if you believe in one.
      Covid is the cause of death because without it they still be alive.
      Johnston you have the biggest load of nonsense

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    • duperez

       /  9th September 2020

      You missed the pithy summary: “It is just a communist inspired plot.” 🤣

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      • Duker

         /  9th September 2020

        Just another swivel head loon.. Christian pyscho babble does not a believer make.

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  11. Brian Johnston

     /  9th September 2020

    To Duker; I am not involved with a Church. I do find fault with the Churches. Attacking them on this site is pointless.
    You are the loony. With the clap trap you come out it is easy to see why you do not write under your own identifiable name.
    You should not be getting personal in your attacks.
    Covid-19 was developed in a laboratory. It is man made.
    It was deliberately released.
    Hopefully when Trump wins the election he will blow the lid off the Covid scam.

    For those who are interested the following are professionals in their field:
    Prof. Stefan Hockertz. Immunologist & Epidemiologist
    Prof. Johan Giesecke. Epidemiologist
    Prof. Knut Wittkowski.
    Prof. Dolores Cahill

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