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  1. lurcher1948

     /  10th September 2020

    Duncan Garner,TV3 AM admitted that he and his son is linked with the Mt Roskill evangelical church and says they are a staunch close group who dont believe that Covid 19 exists hence Mr Garner following the evangelical lead rubbishes the Govt covid efforts and here I thought it was a rightwing thing,its just wacky religion rearing its head

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    • Jack

       /  10th September 2020

      Religious wackiness breaches the divide between Right and Left. If Kiwis knew how easy and sensible it is to be a Christian we would safely keep Science at the helm. It’s been obvious to me for a while that Duncan (and Patrick) (and John Campbell) are experiencing private spiritual melt downs

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      • Duncan Garner does NOT say those things; his link is with a rugby team which has members in the church. He has friends who are church members, he is NOT one himself, and he does NOT disbelieve in C19 and condone the actions of those who do.

        Anyone who reads the article will see that the views attributed to Duncan Garner by Lurch are a fantasy. I would advise people to do so before they believe this distorted version.

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        • Nowhere in the article does DG say that the group doesn’t believe that C19 exists.

          He begins by saying that if the C19 rules are broken it’s appropriate that the police be involved.

          He goes on to say that ‘It’s not okay to break (C19) rules and we must get this new cluster under control.’

          He says that one friend, Monty, has tried and failed to convert him to the religion.

          And so on.He does say that people should not make personal attacks on the church members.

          Google Duncan Garner, Mt Roskill Evangelical Church for his actual words, not some unrecognisable distortion which is a total fabrication.

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          • Duker

             /  10th September 2020

            “He said this sub-cluster has been a challenge to work with as some members do not understand the seriousness of the situation.
            “There are certainly some within the cluster that perhaps don’t accept or haven’t previously accepted the science involved here.
            They are now being educated on the gravity of the situation, he said.”

            No one from the church leadership has publically spoken but health officials have talked with them. Garner only talked to someone at a local Sports Club …a bit distant dont you think even if its members belong to the church

            Hipkins is using coded words – havened accepted the science means didnt believe covid was real
            https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/122617065/coronavirus-church-investigated-over-allegation-meetings-were-held-in-lockdown

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  2. David

     /  10th September 2020

    I am delighted to see Trump has finally been nominated for a Nobel peace prize.
    He is the 1st President since Carter who has not gone to war in fact he has done totally the opposite by bringing as many troops home as he possibly could.
    He has destroyed ISIS and the caliphate and we no longer have the horrors or the associated terrorism in our cities.
    He is challenging China in a way that no one has dared. He surgically struck at Assad and stopped any further chemical weapons attacks on innocent civilians.
    And the widely ignored, so you know its important, peace deal between Israel and the UAE and people shouldnt underestimate the significance of this move. This has been followed by Kosovo and Israel recognizing each other and there will be more to follow. Its one of the biggest middle east moves in decades.
    Ignore the twitter and focus on his foreign policy achievements and grudgingly accept the Trump Doctrine of managed isolationism has saved countless lives.

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  3. A big week for Trump this week, and it’s only Wednesday in the Land of the Damned.

    Firstly, a whistle-blower at the Department of Homeland Security has revealed that Trump appointees have directed DHS agency analysts to downplay the threat of violent white supremacy and of Russian election interference, and to crank up the rhetoric on left-wing groups.

    The former chief of intelligence at the Department of Homeland Security has filed a whistle-blower complaint describing repeated instances in which he claims the Trump administration sought to “censor or manipulate” intelligence for political purposes:

    1] repeated violations of laws and regulations,
    2] abuses of authority,
    3] attempted censorship of intelligence analysis and
    4] improper administration of an intelligence program related to Russian efforts to influence the US elections

    Between March 2018 and August 2020, the head of the intelligence division at the Department of Homeland Security Brian Murphy noted “a repeated pattern of abuse of authority, attempted censorship of intelligence analysis and improper administration of an intelligence program related to Russian efforts to influence and undermine U.S. interests.”

    Acting DHS Secretary Chad Wolf and acting Director of US Citizenship and Immigration Ken Cuccinelli pressured officials to alter intelligence, to make it match Trump’s claims about Antifa and “anarchist” groups.

    Wolf told Murphy on July 8 that “the intelligence notification should be ‘held’ because it ‘made the President look bad.’ Mr. Murphy objected … In response, Mr. Wolf took steps to exclude Mr. Murphy from relevant future meetings.”

    “Mr. Cuccinelli stated that Mr. Murphy needed to specifically modify the section on White Supremacy in a manner that made the threat appear less severe, as well as include information on the prominence of violent “left-wing” groups.”

    Murphy also alleges Wolf told him “that these instructions specifically originated from White House National Security Advisor Robert O’Brien.”

    Click to access murphy_wb_dhs_oig_complaint9.8.20.pdf

    The CIA and FBI have both been clear that the real domestic threat has been and still is from White Supremacist groups. They are the ones that have enacted most of the violence and when it comes to politically motivated killings, are responsible for nearly all of them with only a couple exceptions.

    They are way more organized than the antifa movement, and are far more dangerous. Yet they are almost never mentioned by DHS. Now we know why – because it makes the president look bad.

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    • David

       /  10th September 2020

      Have you seen which cities are on fire and who has been lighting the fires for the last 3 months ? Even Biden is being instructed to condemn it thanks to polling, well he did after he and Harris had rocked up to say nice things and meet the guy who digitally raped his ex girlfriend when her child was with her, sniffed his finger and asked which men she had been with and then resisted arrest and got shot for his troubles.
      I get they think they can blame Trump for it but they are again alienating millions of voters. Trump turned up and met with the police, community leaders and the business owners who had their businesses torched for god knows what reason by out of town leftists taking a break from arsoning Portland.
      Kamala Harris was effusive about Blake which is just head scratchingly bizarre, he probably shouldnt have been shot 7 times but he has an appalling rap sheet, was re visiting his victim, resisted arrest, reached for a knife. You can condemn police brutality without lionizing this piece of shit you would have thought. They are gifting Trump the election.

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      • [Deleted]

        Re-read my comment. The former chief of intelligence at the Department of Homeland Security has filed a whistle-blower complaint describing repeated instances in which he claims the Trump administration sought to “censor or manipulate” intelligence for political purposes.

        Think how the coverage we take in has almost certainly been influenced by that manipulation. But now we know about it.

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  4. Secondly, From Woodward’s taped interviews with Trump:

    January 28: Trump was briefed on the coronavirus by his national security adviser: “This will be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency.”

    and February 7: “You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed. And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flu.”

    In his interview with Woodward on March 19, Trump admitted that he deliberately lied about the danger to the public: “I think, Bob, really, to be honest with you, I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down, because I don’t want to create a panic,” the president said.

    These are the president’s own words. You can hear them on Woodward’s tape.

    Then on March 19, Trump claimed in his White House presser that “it came out of nowhere” and no one could have prepared for it.

    Trump knew how deadly it was, that it is much more deadly than the flu. He knew, and purposely played it down. Worse, he lied to the American people, he knowingly and willingly lied about the threat it posed to the country, for months.

    What Trump did was NOT just a downplay. What he did was lie, obfuscate, and obstruct. He hindered those who knew the truth from saying the truth. He politicized a pandemic, like he does with everything. Trump knew exactly deadly COVID-19 was and blatantly lied to the American people about it.

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    • When you’re in a crisis situation, you don’t want to create hysteria but you also have to inform people for their public health. And in the case of Trump lying to the American people, his lies have literally cost over a hundred thousand unnecessary deaths.

      “I didn’t want to create panic”, says Trump who was deliberately creating panic at the same time by babbling nonstop about:
      – bloodthirsty caravans of diseased murdering rapists that were about to invade America.
      – Antifa
      – Cities are war zones
      – The want to take your guns
      – No more Christmas
      – Illegals are voting in the millions
      – China
      – Deep state

      The only reason he lied to the American people is that he wanted to protect the stock market. He even accused Democrats of using COVID to undermine stock market growth.

      And let’s not forget that GOP senators also knew how bad coronavirus was while publicly downplaying it in February: Loeffler and Burr selling down their stock positions after the first briefing on COVID-19 and then kept telling their constituents the virus was no big deal.

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  5. Thirdly, not forgetting that yesterday the Attorney General of the United States Bill Barr said it was his job to help the president cover up alleged rape.
    Barr claims that the President of the United States of America was acting within the scope of his office when Trump accused E. Jean Carroll last year of making up the rape to sell books and help Democrats, accused other men of rape, and called Carroll unattractive.

    (How very convenient that discovery will be postponed until after the US election, when it should be happening now).

    What does it say of Bill Barr’s ‘staunch’ Catholic faith, that he would make it official DOJ policy to condone attacks on claimed rape victims like this?

    But then Bill Barr is of the generation of Catholics where that is the job of the official bureaucracy: to throw all the institutional weight of the Church into protecting alleged rapists and suppressing credible accusations, even to the point of attacking the victims.

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  6. Fourthly, it’s hard to believe that only four days ago news was breaking that Trump believes all the military who lay down their lives defending their country are losers and suckers.

    If anyone were to stand on a chair at the local RSA and tell our returned servicefolk that, just think of how much outrage there would be from both sides of the piltical fence.

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  10th September 2020

    This poster is a bit annoyed,as his business is going down the tubes…tough titty

    HeadQuarters Viaduct
    1 d ·
    Anyone have any thoughts on civil disobedience ??
    Not a full scale rebellion, just an expression of discontent toward some delusional megalomaniacs who seem to delight in inflicting destruction on hardworking employers and small businesses … and their employees
    Be a fun thing to do in a great location on a nice fine day wouldn’t it ?
    Just asking for a friend

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    • Gerrit

       /  10th September 2020

      Already happening on a fairly wide basis. Non mask wearing in public is widespread. Mingling and mixing is everywhere. Social distancing is not being adhered to.

      The lock down is not working anymore.

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      • Duker

         /  10th September 2020

        Mask wearing is only compulsory on public transport in Auckland.
        Distance seems to be fairly well observed – its level 2 remember- you will always get the covidiots, but the cases are falling , except for the covidiots at the fundamentalist church – where the power of prayer didnt seem to work as 40 members have the virus.
        level 2 isnt meant to be very high compliance …thats level 3 and above

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    • Blazer

       /  10th September 2020

      Well known sock tucker…suffers from small man syndrome.

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  8. David

     /  10th September 2020

    Biden just claimed 6000 military personnel have died from Covid, the actual number is 7.
    Is this the best the Dems could find.

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    • Be fair, it’s only 5993 out.

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      • duperez

         /  10th September 2020

        To be fair Biden’s just a wannabe President. If you want to be better that the incumbent you have to be way more misguided than a mere 5993.

        He has to learn to not quote numbers, they can be checked on. You need to talk in generalities which though they may be extreme and ridiculous can not be proven definitely to be false.

        Like this one from last week: “No-one has higher regard for the military than me.” I admit I haven’t canvassed the whole of the 331,002,651 population yet but have talked to enough to consider that the statement is not true. Finding a comparison scale wasn’t easy but using the Fluckworth-Lewis method I think it is reasonable to empirically contend that the claim is =not true.

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      • Duker

         /  10th September 2020

        Compared to Trumps factual errors ….its only news because its unusual, Trump is a circus of lies, even his own family say it.

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  9. duperez

     /  10th September 2020

    Billy Te Kahika had a ‘massive’ rally in Whangarei recently. Well massive according to his supporters. I suppose 60 something is massive in a Trump kind of way.

    His party are ‘sceptical of “5G, fluoridation, vaccines, pharmaceuticals, poisons… electromagnetics, industrial products and waste, consumer products, food products”. It also believes the United Nations is eroding New Zealanders’ property rights “without any vote, referendum, or legal recourse”.

    He wants attention and brags about all the people following him on social media. I wonder if they read Stuff. “Billy Te Kahika kept Public Party cash under bed but denies wrongdoing.”

    It’s sort of funny in some ways. “Party cash records released to Stuff report $65,000 was raised at party events, however, multiple party insiders contend this is too low as donations flooded in the doors.
    Te Kahika lived well while travelling around New Zealand to speaking events. Records show he spent $4700 at Auckland five-star hotel The Grand by SkyCity.
    About $1500 of this was recorded as a cash payment. He also paid $4000 in cash to personal security guards and spent $5000 on “set-up costs.” …

    Te Kahika said he only kept loose records on money collected during his road trip.
    “To be fair, and my wife will attest, I’m the worst to handle money,” he said.
    “In regard to the koha, we would put it in a little cash tin, put it under the bed in the motel room. We would take our expenses for coffees and food and we didn’t have the system we had today.” He also said he “rounded the koha up” as his count was done from memory.
    “It could be out by a little bit,” he said.”

    No sign of a mascot on their website. I would have suggested Mickey Mouse. I see Jami-Lee Ross there though.

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    • Waffle, anyone ?

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      • Kimbo

         /  10th September 2020

        She took a while to get to the point, but when she did it was…chilling. Only fascists end friendships because of differences in politics or religion. The lack of personal insight concerning alleged intolerance was incredible.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  10th September 2020

          Unfortunately not incredible. Too stupid to wonder how half the US electorate supports Trump or to find out why her “intelligent” now ex friend does. Really, really stupid. And then she tells the world how really, really stupid she is.

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        • Duker

           /  10th September 2020

          Oh dear another ‘ the facists have arrived’ over something innoucuos waffle.
          You should know your history, first they sued the journos for libel, then they trashed the whole office …then it was drag the journos off to the concentration camp…with maybe a firing squad.

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        • Kimbo

           /  10th September 2020

          So still having trouble separating out a person and their opinions I see, Duker. But yeah, yeah, the personal is political, and everything is political. Yawn.

          Just wondering, Duker, if you’ve ever ended a friendship because of the other person’s politics?

          Or whether you would, in theory, contemplate such an action? Including if the person considered Trump the best option among those campaigning for POTUS?

          Also, where did you get the idea that the opinions of the media that – that coincidentally agree with yours – are inviolate, much less that criticism of a media commentator’s opinion is fascism? They came first for the journalists indeed. 🙄

          In fact, what, other than “political opinions with which I don’t agree” is your definition of fascism?

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          • Duker

             /  10th September 2020

            It’s just a little way of using fluoro highlighter on those who see facists on the most innoucous thing…I never thought about until now but some friends have had some appalling political views…and I wouldn’t have held back, but cest la vie

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          • Kimbo

             /  10th September 2020

            Sure, you don’t see “capital F” Fascists marching down the streets of Germany or Italy anymore. Nonetheless the intolerant attitudes for differences of opinion and which inhibit healthy social interaction which enabled capital F fascism are more common than what is apparent.

            Is the banality of evil thing. I’ve worked with one person in particular who was quite amoral, but in the right circumstances could have ended up as one of those “ordinary” people who ended up as a concentration camp guard.

            And it’s the warped moral certitude and self-assured virtue that can drive “small f” fascism. Virginia Fallon’s opinions and actions have “small f” fascism written all over them, imho.

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    • MaureenW

       /  10th September 2020

      What dribble .. sounds like it belongs on Facebook rather than a “newspaper”. Does someone get paid for this tripe?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  10th September 2020

        Not by me. I refuse to subscribe to newspapers that promote idiots.

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        • Duker

           /  10th September 2020

          She’s a ‘ senior writer’ now, just a few years after mid career change to journalism school.

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    • Jack

       /  10th September 2020

      Author has a martyr complex and will find it increasingly difficult to find fellows to rescue. Shallowness doesn’t age well.
      Who does she think her audience is?

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