How Ardern, Collins make people feel

I think that most people probably vote more on feelings on leaders than on policies or party lists.

This shows why the Labour campaign is based on the personality of Ardern.

It also shows what an uphill battle Collins has to make an impression (I think that Collins has done ok in ways but has been disappointing).

Interestingly Collins hasn’t fared well compared to Bridges, who struggled against Ardern and struggled to look like a competent leader.

Ardern has slightly reduced the negatives and significantly increased the positives since Covid struck.

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  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  12th September 2020

    This shows the value of the Swiss democracy where people vote directly for policies not people.

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    • I find the PM cloying and her grimacing distracting and irritating. Her waffling and diversionary tactics are also a turnoff.

      She doesn’t take defeat well, as the CGT failure showed. And her temper tantrums over the testing fiasco looked very immature.

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      • Duker

         /  12th September 2020

        And Collins didnt ‘get angry’ over the Falloon thing ? You just have Ardern Derangement syndrome and yet put that nonenity Seymour on a pedestal.

        Must be a tough one for Nationals activists who thought Collins would sweep in on her [sexist analogy] and create merry hell…instead Collins has listened to the spin doctors and become ‘Ardern Lite’ and is now talking up electric cars and provincial pork barrelling.
        The election result will show that Collins will be the ‘Hilary Clinton bag lady’ of NZ politics, where her past caught up her. More importantly the much reduced caucus will be thinking…Next !

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        • Do not put words in my mouth or attribute views to me that I don’t hold. It’s a malicious form of lying.

          One can dislike someone without being deranged, odd as this might seem to you. There is a vast difference between the two.

          I admire and respect David Seymour, I don’t put him or anyone else on a pedestal. He is hardly a nonentity. I suspect that far more people have heard of him than have heard of you.

          How do you know who Judith Collins listens to ? Does she tell you ? What on earth do you mean by provincial pork barrelling ? Do you have any proof ?

          The PM has defended the $11,000,000+ involuntarily donated by taxpayers to fund a private school whose fees are NZ’s highest. Yes, she is on record saying this; you can see it for yourself.

          The PM said that by a certain date, X% of government cars would be electric. A tiny fraction actually are.

          Six cliches in your post, and old US ones at that for the most part. How about some original thought ?

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          • Duker

             /  12th September 2020

            Pleeese, you spend all your time ‘projecting your thoughts’ onto what Ardern does. Yet cant take it when its put onto you, its classic Ardern Derangement, you could shut up instead if you dont like the heat.
            Yes Collins is talking up electric cars and doling out provincial projects. Its simple facts.
            https://www.national.org.nz/electric-vehicles
            https://www.national.org.nz/delivering-infrastructure

            You should try reading partys websites and press releases , who knows you might learn something instead of the nonsense and fact free farrago you prattle on about all the time. No need to hide your intelligence under a bushel.

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          • FarmerPete

             /  13th September 2020

            Well done on giving him a serve. There are a handful contributors on this blog who seem incapable of responding to the comments made, and instead turn to deflection and ‘what about is’. Really, it is not worth engaging them. Three of them have responded to your comments!

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      • lurcher1948

         /  12th September 2020

        A bit catty there Kitty

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      • Blazer

         /  12th September 2020

        Your usual,envious,spitefulness about a successful woman ……so..sad.

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    • Duker

       /  12th September 2020

      Swiss still have a representative democracy and parliament but with some referendum aspects.
      More interesting is their ‘all party’ consensus cabinet, they have no directly elected president instead it rotates amoung the Council – which is where the power lies anyway.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Council_(Switzerland)

      Good way to think of NZ as a republic , not the American or French model but the Swiss. The Head of State is a rotational thing and is just trotted out when they need it. Gets around a President or Governor General with ‘reserve powers’

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  2. Corky

     /  12th September 2020

    This will be an interesting poll when done again next year.

    I’m kind of conflicted at the moment. Jacinda’s gushing platitudes and preambles before her speeches turns me completely off. I like short, concise, to the point, speeches and interviews.
    Judith delivers such. Short and sharp is her style. Yet for some strange reason she is not resonating with me when she speaks.

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    • Jack

       /  12th September 2020

      It’s because she’s not carrying her cross. A wild guess admittedly, but if Collins is a Christian she cannot come across as authentic without cherishing her cross.

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      • Jack

         /  12th September 2020

        If Ardern ever had a smidgen of trust in Jesus Christ as her saviour then she also has a cross to bear. I think her’s involves compassion.

        Compassion is easily counterfeited. Ardern fools many. If Collins carried her cross (I think her’s involves apostleship/true leadership) then she would do heaps better.

        The cross one carries is a hidden thing. I’m not talking about in your face evangelism nor prime ministerial preaching. Nothing like that. For that matter, Ardern does preach and I find it extremely irritating.

        Compassion easily makes liars of people. In reality it’s an easier cross to bear than is leadership.

        I agree that Collins is doing it hard. If only she knew how easy it could be. But the churches don’t teach!

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        • Kimbo

           /  12th September 2020

          For that matter, Ardern does preach and I find it extremely irritating.

          Yeah, ok, I know I’m gonna regret “feeding the troll”, but that is one of the most amusingly weapons-grade lack of self awareness comments I’ve seen…ever! 😳😂

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          • Jack

             /  12th September 2020

            And now the Bible teacher proves my point.
            Listen Kimbo, Christians are supposed to support and encourage one another, and correct each other – lovingly

            You are so right. If I preach it is incredibly irritating – for all around me. That’s why I don’t preach.

            It’s your perception that I’m preaching, on a blog site of all places, that got you ‘amused’.

            You should learn to carry your cross, fellow.

            Just for you Kimbo – You cannot follow Jesus Christ without carrying your cross. You won’t carry it unless it is a treasure to you (nobody would). You must carry it for Church – and you’re not.

            You ought to be regretting how you keep dropping your cross. Forget about mocking me – you lose every single time. Or does that give you some sort of pleasure? – the way you undermine the body of Christ in the eyes of the world? And feel amused by that?? While hiding under a pseudonym?

            Dear World – as I keep saying – the churches are not teaching. If my cross to bear involved the spiritual talent of teaching/preaching I would do so.

            I’m not preaching. I’m healing

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            • Jack

               /  12th September 2020

              Furthermore Kimbo -you owe an online apology to this fellow Christian you called a troll.

              A while ago I wrote about wanting another poster to stop trolling me and PG deleted my comment.

              I merely asked someone to cease trolling me and it got deleted – reason given was that it’s a form of abuse.

              You called me a troll, while trolling yourself. Abuse and hypocrisy. You said I have little to no self awareness while, as my fellow Christian, closing off your mind to my comments – regarding the cross no less!

              I wouldn’t go to PG for this as I’ve learnt the hard way – sink or swim. Anyway, Christians don’t go to the world for correcting each other – that’s what your Bible says.

              Apologise? Or are you continuing to regret your error in private, behind your pseudonym?

              I presume you felt you were one of the crowd with your mocking of me. Is that how you always behave when communicating in the world?

              Not preaching poor Kimbo, merely having my say

          • Fight4nz

             /  12th September 2020

            And that’s what you get for feeding 🤨
            No matter how well justified 😂

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    • Barbara McKenzie

       /  12th September 2020

      There are other issues … such as Labour’s umpteen measures to eliminate private property and force councils to zone for multi-story apartments. The aim is to replace our suburbs of homes and gardens with multi-story rental apartments. There is also the question of whether you’re concerned about an education system that consciously grooms children for gender transition. A lot of New Zealanders care more about a ditzy smile and lots of Orwellian instruction to Be KInd, so what can you do? https://stovouno.org/2020/06/30/how-neo-marxists-have-hijacked-the-new-zealand-labour-movement/

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      • Kimbo

         /  12th September 2020

        …replace our suburbs of homes and gardens with multi-story rental apartments

        In the context of Auckland’s housing shortage, sounds like leafy-green Remuera NIMBYism.

        But agree with you on the transgender thing.

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        • Duker

           /  12th September 2020

          ” an education system that consciously grooms children for gender transition.”

          Too harebrained and utter idiocy too even comment further…..

          Its that from the UN Agenda 21 thing Jim Bolger signed NZ up to ?

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          • I’d think it all but impossible to groom someone for a sex change if they were not that way inclined.

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            • Jack

               /  12th September 2020

              Not so, but children from healthy strong homes are able to put aside the nonsense. The sex ed curriculum and teaching about diversity is concerning for thinking parents though. It’s just another distraction they could do without

            • Kimbo

               /  12th September 2020

              Ok, I may as well be hanged for a sheep as for a lamb on the “don’t feed the you-know-what” thing, but

              …are you really a parent

              …and if so do you seriously consider yourself a “thinking” one?!

            • Jack

               /  12th September 2020

              So – no apology from Kimbo, a churchy, on one of the cult slides. Poor NZ.
              It’s a good thing there’s hope with Church

  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  12th September 2020

    Be interesting to see if Kim Jong-un gets the same reactions as our own dear leader.

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    • Kimbo

       /  12th September 2020

      I have a feeling “lefties” were saying asking the same question when John Key was PM. Or at least the comparison was to a right wing dictator like Pinochet.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  12th September 2020

        Yes, which is why I like the Swiss solution. Choosing a policy requires thought. Choosing a leader only requires feeling.

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      • Jack

         /  12th September 2020

        Some ‘righties’ felt cautious about Key’s ability to bloke his way through his leadership. I thought he was just as dangerous as Jacinda in that regard.

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    • Kimbo

       /  12th September 2020

      Indeed, Brian Gould among others used to make a habit of exhibiting his Key Derangement Syndrome. Here’s one especially silly example, where he essentially analysed Key – and Muldoon – as Pinochets of the South Pacific.

      What popular personality gave to the National Party in John Key it has now taken from them in Jacinda Ardern. Swings and roundabouts and over the long term the “luck” dolled out by “time and chance” evens out.

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      • Duker

         /  12th September 2020

        Doesnt mention Pinochet …go on admit your own derangement made that up.

        He just says Key dominates the news cycles like Muldoon…..oh how vicious is that!

        Gould does refer to what Herald journos said
        “As the Herald pointed out last week, his Cabinet colleagues have difficulty in shining when the Prime Minister is constantly available to take over anything newsworthy from them.”

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        • The fact that someone holds different views to yours does not indicate derangement, which may seem strange to you.

          It is egotistical to assume that anyone who disagrees with you must ergo be insane.

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          • Duker

             /  12th September 2020

            “The fact that someone holds different views to yours does not indicate derangement”
            he made a nasty slur against Gould using the name of a real dictator… its derangement all right .
            He made it up …its not a different view What planet are you on ? I expect a higher standard from you than the usual trolls, of which Mr K has joined.
            .
            The real story merely said Muldoon and Key dominated the news, a fairly innocuous thing….those were the days when the Herald had serious left wing commentators …now its strident and partisan political commentators all the time

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        • Kimbo

           /  12th September 2020

          “Essentially analysed” = didn’t use the specific name but invoked the spirit. Suggest you learn the meaning of “essentially” before you do “gotcha”, because I deliberately chose it for a purpose.

          …especially as I am ultimately defending Ardern against the foolish assertion she is the equivalent of the North Korean dictator! 😳😃

          Now, kindly go read Gould again, including the regular op eds he churned out for years during Key’s tenure if you want to carry on this silliness…

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  12th September 2020

            I wasn’t asserting Ardern and Jong-un are equivalent. I was asserting public emotions are an unreliable and unsafe judge of quality leadership.

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            • Kimbo

               /  12th September 2020

              Fair enough, although maybe the choice of someone without the same ideological baggage as Kim Il Jong (or whatever is the latest manifestation of that odious dynasty) would have done the trick in clarifying your one point of comparison. Maybe other influencers of political and other assorted public fashions you invoke uncritical and fawning praise from their devotees. Say, Greta Thunberg or Kim Kardashian 🙂

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  12th September 2020

              No, the point was to show terrible leadership could be supported by similar feelings. Hitler could have been an alternative but less current example.

            • Kimbo

               /  12th September 2020

              …and a palpable…Godwin. 😉

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  12th September 2020

              Godwin doesn’t obviate the relevance here though it may avoid the need for thought as a handy squirrel.

            • Kimbo

               /  12th September 2020

              Joking aside, seems to be an inescapable aspect of human nature to idolise charismatic leaders. There is a reason leaders various points in history were able to get most of their subjects to buy-in to the “divine right of kings”, or even that they were gods.

              On a brighter note, whatever negatives Ardern may bring to the table, I doubt she will be re-locating us to the Guyanese jungle to meet our collective end drinking Kool Aid. Even though I strongly suspect some would follow her if Ashley Bloomfield Siouxsie Wiles recommenced it! 😂

        • Kimbo

           /  12th September 2020

          And you seem to have forgotten that according to New Zealand left wing orthodoxy, Muldoon

          …the CIA-funded disseminator of the “Dancing Cossacks”

          …the tyrant who was unmasked in Fitzgerald vs Muldoon

          …the destroyer of the sainted Colin Moyle

          …the staunch supporter of the USA, especially during Ronald Reagan’s civilisation-threatening Cold War brinkmanship

          …and the willing host of the fascist 1981 apartheid-era Springbok rugby team

          …WAS Pinochet! 😳😂

          At least if you listen to them, and assorted media figures bleat about him. When Muldoon died Tom Scott related a conversation he had with a couple of judges who, at the time Scott was crossing swords with Muldoon, opined to Scott that he was in literal danger of being blown up when he started his car. To his credit Scott called “bullshit” on the assertion.

          Right wingers also have a low opinion too of the alleged threat Muldoon’s presented to democracy too, but for different reasons. I digress…

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          • Jack

             /  12th September 2020

            You do a lot of digressing Kimbo

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            • Hardly anyone realised that the Cossacks were not Communists; they were White Russians, and fighting against the Reds. So it was absurd to use them in this context.

              If anyone’s squeamish, I would advise them not to read Gogol’s Taras Bulba which is about the Cossacks. It’s impossible to unread the description of one of the tortures used by them.

            • Blazer

               /  12th September 2020

              ‘Hardly anyone realised that the Cossacks were not Communists; ‘

              Why do you think this?

              Because you didn’t know ,doesn’t mean other people didn’t.

  4. lurcher1948

     /  12th September 2020

    Our fantastic PM jacinda Ardern responds to another thrashing of the horrible National party and Ms Collins in the polls,No matter how nastyNational is,they are not making traction
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  5. Jack

     /  12th September 2020

    “Joking aside” (Kimbo)
    Yeah right.
    I don’t think Kimbo is feeling very jolly. He got hammered by a fellow Christian, a weak one at that, and came back for more. I can hardly believe I ‘won’ an argument. And all because we began discussing how Jacinda and Judith make us feel.
    My point remains valid – there’s something very good and pleasant in carrying your cross.
    The apocalypse has always been just around the corner. From what I’ve experienced, the churches are all on cult slides (I spent the best part of my life propping up the feelings of the likes of Kimbo) but it’s inane to worry about hard times. Best to look forward with hope. Church provides that.
    Would love to experience a PM who carries his cross. Then we would have policy employed and personalities kept in the right places. Feelings aside – real good secular Politics

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