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  1. David

     /  12th September 2020

    With just one new Covid case yesterday should we be optimistic of a return to level 1 on our island and a 1.5 in the NI. Sort of a level 1 except for church,s.

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    • duperez

       /  12th September 2020

      We should all be optimistic. We cannot be optimistic that some dickwits won’t do something dumb, ignorant, selfish or stupid however.

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    • Corky

       /  12th September 2020

      Da gummint caused us to be bypassed for the rugby championship. Aussie will now benefit from hosting the competition. If ever there was a time for the gummint to use their brains and economic intelligence…that was the time.

      A classic example of how this government is thick and economically ignorant. They have a notion on how things will be done, and if you go under, well, that’s tough.

      I must admit to being in a foul mood. Yesterday I took one of my mowers to be fixed at my local mower centre. I was greeted with a empty shop. That was a family business that’d been going for over 50 years. A place that was so busy you waited for over a week to have your mower serviced. Gone!

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      • Blazer

         /  12th September 2020

        As if the gummint is responsible for the Rugby championship decision.

        Its the hopeless rugby admin who screwed up as usual…trying to renegotiate after the…fact.

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    • Chris Hipkins & the PM may still come up with an excuse to keep us under control; I won’t be celebrating until it happens.

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  2. Blazer

     /  12th September 2020

    ‘Bibby said at between $25 and $27 an hour, pickers and pruners were highly skilled.’

    Who ever would have thought picking fruit needed highly skilled workers!
    Really suss hourly rate.=don’t believe it.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/122741361/this-just-cannot-happen-95-billion-at-risk-as-horticulture-sector-struggles-to-fill-25anhour-jobs

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    • Duker

       /  12th September 2020

      No one gets $25 an hour …. thats what the contractor gets for organising the pickers and delivering them on site etc.
      This has come up before and the people who do the picking say they never see that sort of money. AS well there is some suggestion they arent interested in locals either as its people from various migrant groups who run the contractors

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  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  12th September 2020

    House prices are rocketing. This is the rational response to the probable reelection of Labour under its “Let’s do nothing” slogan.

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    • Duker

       /  12th September 2020

      Not rocketing , lack of people selling is restricting supply. Agents trying to talk up wealthy expats buying to end properties… when the reality is those who flooded back are mostly millennial who are skint.
      Remember the agents are ALL about getting the sellers…. thats who signs the contract to deliver the commission. Buyers are secondary.

      If you say the ‘government is responsible’ , they must have been responsible during the 9 years of neglect too ?

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      • Bernard Hickey at Newsroom: The even wealthier can breathe easier till 2023 at least

        It’s the dirty little secret of the first term of this Labour-led Government. It has been fantastically enriching for the oldest and richest in the electorate, while the young, the old and poor who voted for Labour and the Greens became poorer and are even further away from affordable housing and decent incomes than they were in 2017 when they swept Jacinda Ardern to power.

        Reserve Bank figures show households that own property and have money in stocks and term deposits made over $250 billion of tax-free capital gains in Labour’s first term. Taxing that would have paid for its Covid-fighting fund of $50b. Yet Labour has again reneged on its inequality-fighting rhetoric and will allow another three years without taxing the next $250b of fresh capital gains that are likely to be created because the Government has tacitly allowed the Reserve Bank to print over $100b to pump up asset values even higher.

        It’s enough to spark a mass exodus of equity-rich home owners to scoop up any remaining homes as rental properties, or just to sit on the empty house and earn more money tax-free from it than from their real jobs. It’s already happening. Real estate agents report a surge of property owners through their open homes to jump on the surest of things: leveraged and tax-free capital gains from a market effectively guaranteed by the Government and too big to fail. Banks are struggling to cope with the mortgage applications, leaving existing property owners with the ability to withdraw equity from other properties in the box seat in auctions.

        Yet again, older property owners have won the battle that happens at the heart at our political economy every three years over whether and how to tax wealth and capital gains to try to reduce wealth inequality. Politicians understand that more than half a million young and poor New Zealanders don’t vote and that the median voter they need to target is a home owner in the suburbs of the big cities and in provincial towns.

        Labour is about to make it easier for the richest, made $250b richer over the last three years, to help shelter their incomes at lower tax rates and move even harder into property.

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        • Gerrit

           /  12th September 2020

          Problem is that the $250 Billion tax free capital gain is a paper only gain. No actual gain has been made unless one sold a house and did not buy another to replace it.

          Herein lies the problem with a captal gains tax and the Greens wealth tax. The theoretical (on paper) capital gain is not realised,

          How will people pay (with actual earned money) for a theoretical (on paper) capital gain?

          With deflation just around the corner, wealth (as measured by property ownership) will contract in value. Sure those loaded ovewrseas Kiwi’s returning home are pushing the price up right now but in a years time? Who knows.

          For someone like Hickey to not understand real versus theoretical (op paper) gain is in itself an aberration.

          Much like a CGT (wont generate anywhere near the revenue forecast) and a wealth tax (relies on inflation to maintain income that is offset by a very expensive compliance enforcing and value checking regime) is an aberration.

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          • Duker

             /  12th September 2020

            Plenty of other countries manage a CGT easily enough…why is it a problem?
            The land sales are computerised and the conveyancing lawyers have to get a persons real identity etc. The IRD can look into a sellers bank account.
            If you dont pay up at the time , back checking with penalty interest will catch the rest. this is not the 1970s with an army of clerks and paperwork

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            • Gerrit

               /  12th September 2020

              Not a problem on commercial and residential property. Now try adding business sales into the equation.

              Worth a read from Australia regarding selling a business in regards valuation and assets.

              If you sell a business assets only, your depreciation is taken into account. Sell a business as a going concern, your valuation includes forward orders plus any goodwill you have generated over the years. All of which you pay a CGT

              https://www.business.gov.au/finance/taxation/capital-gains-tax-for-business

            • Fight4nz

               /  12th September 2020

              Or leave businesses out of it as he red herring it is

          • Fight4nz

             /  12th September 2020

            So you missed the point. Whether it is paper gain or not is totally irrelevant.
            If the owner can pay out the cash all well and good. If not then they have to sell. And then what happens? More supply. And then what happens. Prices come down. And then what happens. More wealthy owners put houses on market because without capital gains not a worthwhile investment. And then what happens. Houses reach realistic price levels and new buyers can afford them so don’t have to rent. And the myth that if the wealthy don’t want to rent lots of houses then no one has anywhere to live is exploded. We might even see money go back into our productive sectors where it’s so sorely needed.

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          • duperez

             /  12th September 2020

            The ‘on paper’ perspective is a good one. On permanent paper a Labour Government is going to ruin the country and see all the wealthy people destitute.

            Over the three years of the electoral cycle we get all the doom and gloom stories building into a crescendo in the few moths before the election.

            The diabolical increase of taxes for the 180,000+ salary brigade got people going again last week and then the less hysterical looked at how it created opportunities. Some of them acknowledge a paper only gain is slightly different that have their measly incomes gutted.

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      • Corky

         /  12th September 2020

        ”Not rocketing , lack of people selling is restricting supply.”

        ???

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        • Blazer

           /  12th September 2020

          Landbanking ,especially in Auckland by overseas,absentee owners ,happy to leave houses empty and just pay rates is a major…factor.

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    • Blazer

       /  12th September 2020

      and if house prices were plunging…you’d be happy!

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  12th September 2020

        I’m not in the business of selling them so I would be happy that more people could become property owners with the security and stability that brings. But the only way this could happen beneficially on a permanent basis would be to reduce the horrific bureaucracy that has made building new ones so difficult and costly – and that would be reason enough to be happy.

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    • Corky

       /  12th September 2020

      Whittle the stick…tax the ‘rich pricks.’

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      • Gerrit

         /  12th September 2020

        Until there are no more rich pricks and we live in an equality “utopia” led be a dear leader.

        One where the state decides and what constitute entrepreneur endeavour and which favourite son/daughter can “run” the state organisations. .

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        • Duker

           /  12th September 2020

          Have you seen the ex National party politicians on the boards of state owned chinese companies here…. heard of Commercial genius and entrepreneur Jennie Shipley ?

          Collins is talking about an “Infrastructure Bank” , that also is code for Chinese financial investment for chinese construction firms…guess who will be on the board of the ‘Silk Road Investment Corp’.

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        • Fight4nz

           /  12th September 2020

          You mean like by far the most successful economy of the last 3 decades – China?

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  12th September 2020

            By what measure success? Growth from subsistence level socialism by allowing individual enterprise, yes. On every other measure, no. Hence our immigration pattern is distinctly uni- directional.

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            • Fight4nz

               /  12th September 2020

              So you would agree that you cannot measure success of an economy by the financials alone?
              Sacrifice of quality of life needs to be part of the equation? Is there a link to the emigration numbers?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  12th September 2020

              China rates 79th on GDP per capita. It only rates highly on growth out of communism:
              https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/

              Your “most successful economy” was nonsense.

    • duperez

       /  12th September 2020

      House prices sky rocketing is marvellous isn’t it? Think of those who are going to make a killing by their places being worth more. Accumulation is the aim of life isn’t it?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  12th September 2020

        I guess so. It must be good to be the consequence of Lefty policies mustn’t it?

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  4. The early onslaught of the US fire season is horrific.

    That’s just Oregon. California has been terrible too.

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    • Corky

       /  12th September 2020

      Things must be bad if Oregon has gone up. It has many areas with a temperate climate.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  12th September 2020

        There is nothing a Democrat administration can’t burn.

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        • Corky

           /  12th September 2020

          😄

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        • duperez

           /  12th September 2020

          I haven’t heard or seen the shining cuckoos yet this season. Normally they’re here by now.

          Looks like we”ll have to be happy to have, straight from cloud cuckoo land, one Billy Te Kahika. David Wilson is in the Herald (behind the wall) describing a public meeting at Opononi.

          “Te Kahika tells the crowd he was motivated to research the “truth” behind the pandemic after returning from the United States, where there was no organised government response to Covid-19, and finding New Zealand where people were told the virus meant “you’re going to die”.

          Fortunately, he had three tools that allowed him to see the truth – the internet, and an introductory course in military intelligence taken during his short stint in the NZ Army 20 years ago. Also, he knew his Bible.

          Particularly, Te Kahika saw warning in Revelation 13, which begins: “And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and 10 horns, and upon his horns 10 crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.”

          Te Kahika told the crowd: “I knew what was coming down the pipeline but I didn’t know how they were going to do it.”

          When Covid-19 emerged, and he listened to how the Government was announcing its arrival, he says he realised – clicking his fingers emphatically – that “they’ve released a bio-weapon”.

          Fisher summarised the evening: “There was tea and it was hot. That was the most reliable aspect of the evening, along with the inviting welcome offered by Te Kahika and his team.

          His claims of a vast conspiracy do not stand. With the Bible in one hand and the internet in the other, you can string together anything.”

          The cuckoos bring their calls and colours, do their dirty work then bugger off. After he spews his crap, hopefully Te Kahika takes his lunatic calls and the bit of colour he’s added to the circus and won’t be back for a return season.

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  5. Corky

     /  12th September 2020

    White Maori learns what it’s like to be a European on the end of Maori racism. I have talked before about how racist Maori are. Some – particularly Gezza and Kitty- took exception to what I wrote. Their criticisms did not affect me. I know the difference between reality and
    offering what you think is a considered opinion.

    From the horses mouth.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/122722683/ive-struggled-my-entire-adult-life-to-be-brown-enough-to-be-considered-mori

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  12th September 2020

      The confusion of race with culture.

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      • Corky, I have never taken exception to anyone saying (with evidence) that no Maori is racist. Nor have I ever claimed that this is so. Please don’t put words in my mouth,

        I object to your racism, bigotry and stereotyping of people from any race or religion.

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      • Jack

         /  12th September 2020

        It’s spiritual confusion, while seeking.

        Kiwis who are discovering ‘what it means to be Maori’ should state what gods they’re worshiping and what benefit there is in that. Then we can have some clear discussions

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  6. duperez

     /  12th September 2020

    This is not being in a winning situation. This is any indication of us being in an impossible situation. Joseph Hohepa Kotuku,Church elder at the centre of Auckland’s sub-cluster says he got tested for the first time yesterday.

    “Kotuku said, as an elder at the church, it was his duty to get tested. He was aware of critical comments about the congregation.

    “You’re going to get that with a lot of critical people that are not Christians, they don’t understand where we stand,” Kotuku said.

    “I see a lot of criticism but that doesn’t worry us. We’re doing what God has instructed us to do through the word of God.”

    Kotuku said God is his healer but he also believes it’s important to use wisdom and abide by the law.”

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12364395

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    • duperrez

       /  12th September 2020

      Te Kahika:

      “She is one New Zealander who has suffered a considerable loss because of the Government’s responses to Covid-19.”

      The woman jailed for breaking out of a managed isolation facility appeared at a protest rally against the government’s use of lockdowns and other Covid-19 restrictions.

      A crowd of a few thousand packed in Auckland’s Aotea Square this afternoon, at the “National Rally for Freedom”, organised by Advance Party co-leaders, Jami Lee Ross and Billy Te Kahika.The woman, who was not named, did not address the crowd.”

      Maybe the woman can help promote others to suffer considerable loss because of their responses to Covid-19. A bit of death and sickness is good for a sob story.

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12364413

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      • I hadn’t heard before that her tests were negative.

        It seemed hard that she was imprisoned while a man who damaged the hotel and broke out for a really specious reason wasn’t. I’d have made it the other way around; community service for her, prison for him.

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        • Blazer

           /  12th September 2020

          You should watch…the…News.

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        • duperez

           /  12th September 2020

          You know the law and the application of it is not a paint by numbers exercise. It is about judgement and circumstances. As determined by those charged with the responsibility.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  12th September 2020

            Basically our courts take the view that Parliament is sovereign and the administration is doing what Parliament meant it to do even if the law doesn’t actually say so. The unfortunate individual is just grist in that mill. The Government pays the legal pipers and calls all their tunes.

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    • Corky

       /  13th September 2020

      Hope for you, my friend, ends at the end of September. That’s when your ‘double’ energy payment consisting of my tax dollars, disappears back into the void. You will be down $42 bucks a week. Goodbye to all those little treats you have enjoyed over the previous months.

      The cold chill of Covid is about to strike full-force before Christmas.

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