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David
/ 15th September 2020Pfizer are pretty confident about their vaccine going for approval in October and hopeful people will start to be able to get the jab before the end of the year. Trials are going very well with 30,000 people jabbed and now they are expanding to more vulnerable people for testing and expanding from their current age range of 18 to 85. Pleasingly they are manufacturing ahead of approval such is their confidence.
Duker
/ 15th September 2020Trials are where 80% of new vaccines fail.
The US has gone down that path before with a rushed vaccine which ended up giving
a few hundred people a rare disease
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_swine_flu_outbreak
Maybe Trump could announce he is one of those ‘tested’ with this vaccine
David
/ 15th September 2020Because there is generally stuff all profits in vaccines big pharma dont put much effort into it. Do you know what the fail rate is for new drugs..over 90% a lot of blockbuster drugs are discovered by accident or they work in a different area to the one where the aim was.
I would guess more than 80% of the work on a Covid vaccine has already failed and the frontrunners could still have an 80% fail rate and we will have several effective vaccines this year.
Cheer up man if we had you attitude nothing would ever get done, just because once one vaccine had an adverse outcome in a tiny number of people is no reason to abandon all hope and hide in the basement.
Duker
/ 15th September 2020Not how things work in this field….theres enough stirring from anti vaxxers against vaccines that DO work.
The reaction in a tiny few is already covered by the way vaccines have federal ‘insurance’ for adverse reactions.
We are talking more than ‘tiny’
Still room for researchers to come up with a ‘pill’ which lasts some weeks as travellers will like that along with medical staff.
The injection approach is the most expensive and the vaccine needs special care and is time limited.
In 2 years we will have half a dozen different approaches that work, maybe some are better for older people than younger and things like that
Blazer
/ 15th September 2020‘Our interventions to date have largely focused on mitigating the rate of spread, flattening the curve of morbidity. There is no treatment at hand, and no certainty of a vaccine on the near horizon. The fastest vaccine ever developed was for mumps. It took four years. COVID-19 killed 100,000 Americans in four months. There is some evidence that natural infection may not imply immunity, leaving some to question how effective a vaccine will be, even assuming one can be found. And it must be safe. If the global population is to be immunized, lethal complications in just one person in a thousand would imply the death of millions.’-RS Mag.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 15th September 2020There are treatments at hand. That is partly why death rates have fallen. Just another falsehood from that rant.
Blazer
/ 15th September 2020Can you expand on that…or is ‘at hand’ the extent of your…argument?
Alan Wilkinson
/ 15th September 2020Do your own research for approved treatments if you really want to know – which you don’t.
Blazer
/ 15th September 2020I thought you were making shit up..again…thanks for confirming ..it.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 15th September 2020Dickhead:
https://www.coronavirustoday.com/covid-19-treatments
Blazer
/ 15th September 2020meathead=’Late-Stage COVID-19 Disease Therapies: experimental’
Burying your head in sand may help treat it…too.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 15th September 2020You would know.
David
/ 15th September 2020Good site Alan, interesting stuff there.
Jack
/ 15th September 2020https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/police-investigating-after-new-conservative-member-slashed-with-knife-in-west-auckland.amp.html
” “New Conservatives are the only party who uphold western values and we know that is the greatest culture in the history of mankind.” ”
Is it? Well yes, but these Christians are behind the times.
Church is supposed to lead humanity.
These Christians are not carrying their crosses – they are fighting another bruising and losing battle while looking backwards
(Incidentally, I know well the family and friends of some of these people. They say that my books are not written ‘in the right spirit’. Once upon a time that judgement from fellow Christians would devastate me. Now – I’m free, and I think they are incredibly silly and slow thinkers. They live cult, upholding faith instead of experiencing Jesus Christ upholding them.)
They should disperse themselves throughout National and Labour if they truly are servant hearted. Sadly, they’re after something else and going strong enough to be a nuisance
lurcher1948
/ 15th September 2020This is what causes BLM protests
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/georgia-deputy-fired-roderick-walker-arrest_n_5f5f63a4c5b6b485080334c6
it all started with a blown lightbulb
Kitty Catkin
/ 15th September 2020A broken/blown tail light can happen to anyone ! People don’t know it’s happened; my ex-partner and I were pulled over because ours had gone one night when we were at someone’s house. We were given so long to have it mended and sent on our way.
I saw Simon Reeves’ series on America, and one of the people he spoke to in Colorado* said that people end up in prison because of broken tail lights (his mother spent a night in a cell because of this) . He quoted people ending up inside because they had something hanging from the mirror. One thing would lead to another and a fine for a small thing would end up with the person in prison. It was a revelation !
* a prison reformer, something like that
Corky
/ 15th September 2020No, Lurchy. What you saw there were cops who have had enough of dealing with trouble making blacks. They come into the job PROBABLY holding racist attitudes. Their jobs confirm their prejudices. They lose the plot one day and a innocent black man is beaten for no good reason( this chap was lucky).
The same thing happens in NZ with Maori. But our cops don’t have the balls, support or unwritten mandate to act in such a manner.
Here is Chris Rock to explain things, Lurchy.
duperez
/ 15th September 2020“Church is supposed to lead humanity”? 🤔
Kitty Catkin
/ 15th September 2020Don’t ask. Jack doesn’t even know that ‘Church’ is meaningless without an article.
Pete George
/ 15th September 2020Religion versus science:
Jack
/ 15th September 2020These people are on a cult slide.
A Christian respects and embraces Science as far as makes sense to his one mind.
They’re not carrying their crosses. Their leaders would not welcome anyone who is. Those amongst them who occasionally stoop to pick up their beautiful crosses get abused.
I say ‘beautiful’ and it’s not anything figurative. With the cults, too much is left to vain imaginations.
Your cross to bear is literally beautiful. Once you practise carrying it, it becomes a taonga indescribable
Kitty Catkin
/ 15th September 2020Everyone’s in a cult if they don’t think as you do, it would seem.
Even the Orthodox Church which is the original one and has been going for more than 2000 years is a cult in your eyes. The Catholic and Protestant churches came along much later.
Corky
/ 15th September 2020Appalachian faithful have pastors who handle snakes (some die). Let this pastor be exposed to Covid so we can watch the miracle of him NEVER contracting it.
Kitty Catkin
/ 15th September 2020Those people haven’t heard that ‘thou shalt not tempt the Lord, thy God.’
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Blazer
/ 15th September 2020This is well worth a read…WARNING…may shatter some…illusions..about freedom,prosperity,personal responsibility and …humanity…
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-end-of-american-era-wade-davis-1038206/
Alan Wilkinson
/ 15th September 2020A load of lemon-sucking nonsense and Lefty wishful thinking. What a rant.
Jack
/ 15th September 2020The only way you could have come to that conclusion so soon is through a closed mind and clenched teeth
Alan Wilkinson
/ 15th September 2020A fair description of the authorship of that piece.
Blazer
/ 15th September 2020What inaccuracies did you find?
Alan Wilkinson
/ 15th September 2020This kind of dishonest Lefty crap: The nation that defeated smallpox and polio, and led the world for generations in medical innovation and discovery, was reduced to a laughing stock as a buffoon of a president advocated the use of household disinfectants as a treatment for a disease that intellectually he could not begin to understand.
Blazer
/ 15th September 2020That is a known fact.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 15th September 2020Known to be completely false media fabrication.
Blazer
/ 15th September 2020tell Reuters…
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-trump-drug-idUSKBN22U2Y5
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-suggests-infecting-disinfectant-video-transcript-2020-4?op=1&r=US&IR=T
Alan Wilkinson
/ 15th September 2020Your transcript reveals your lie. Trump suggested investigating, not using.
Blazer
/ 15th September 2020‘ And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs’
Are you suggesting people don’t take the POTUS…seriously?
Alan Wilkinson
/ 15th September 2020I’m telling you the media (and you) rush to misrepresent anything he says and have no compunction in lying to do so.
Duker
/ 15th September 2020“Known to be completely false media fabrication.”
The reverse was true …the TV had filmed it but the whitehouse.org website created its own transcript that didnt match Trumps own words.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/the-white-house-spins-trumps-disinfectant-remarks/
So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right? And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it’d be interesting to check that. So that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me.
They just said he was being ‘sarcastic’… as we can see from the real transcript he was being very serious.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 15th September 2020Duker, give it up. He was asking questions if something could be researched, not claiming it was a solution. Repeated lying about it is tedious.
Corky
/ 15th September 2020TV One news was diabolical last night. Talk about a cheer leader for Labour. They had interviewed people on the street regarding their reaction to the further lockdown. Everyone but one agreed with the extension. They called that a ‘mixed reaction’ on the street. I call it good editing.
They then allowed and filmed workers at a rail engineering facility to go on a anti-National rant. I found this incredible..and slightly spooky.
I was finished off with this crap in the link. I must now say bye to TV One. I have tried to kid myself with a variety of excuses to stay watching…but no more. I would rather watch real muppets on Sesame Street.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/watch-aotearoas-first-m-ori-supreme-court-justice-leads-waiata-practice-week-celebrating-te-reo-kicks-off
Kitty Catkin
/ 15th September 2020Three was more or less the opposite; I don’t think that anyone they spoke to was 100% in favour of the extension. One man called it holding the country to ransom. One girl said it had good and bad in it, or something like that. The people who own cafes and bars were wondering how long they can keep going. The PM grimaced and gesticulated as she waffled on as usual.
Kitty Catkin
/ 15th September 20205 people think that wrecking lives, livelihoods and mental health is all right if the PM thinks it’s a good idea to keep us all at L2, regardless of the 0 cases outside Auckland and the minuscule number in it, all traceable to a cluster.
The PM doubts that the new C19 came in via the border, although Ashley B thinks it did. Where else could it be from ? It doesn’t drop from the clouds.
Kitty Catkin
/ 15th September 2020Her rationale is that the borders had sweeping testing going on…news to the people working there, one imagines.
Kitty Catkin
/ 15th September 2020Peters’ (‘extra super’) Fish Pie.
Aged snapper, pickled, soused and smoked. Sometimes ‘crabby’ and peppery. Lots of crust (short)
Kitty Catkin
/ 15th September 2020Can be found at Bellamy’s and The Green Parrot. Heavily discounted because the expiry/best by date is imminent.
Duker
/ 15th September 2020A bit like “Judith Jumbalaya’ …been kept on the warmer too long , will be going to the labrador soon.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 15th September 2020Even the Guardian reports the Californian and Oregan fire disasters have been caused by ignorant environmentalism:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/14/california-fire-suppression-forests-tinderbox
Pete George
/ 15th September 2020Forest mismanagement (going back a hundred years) is to blame in part – but there’s a heck of a lot of forest to maintain.
Weather conditions this year have made things worse and mores susceptible to ignition.
That’s about half the size of the South Island.
Management or climate?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-wildfire-explainer/explainer-how-this-years-destructive-u-s-west-wildfire-season-came-to-be-idUSKBN26600F
Alan Wilkinson
/ 15th September 2020Climate affects the weather but Californian fires flare every year. Forest management affects the consequences after the fires start. Likewise Australia.
It’s idle stupidity to blame the climate.
Pete George
/ 15th September 2020It’s not blame, it’s a contributing factor that appears to be getting worse.
Forest management is far from a comprehensive fix too. Forest fires have happened since long before human management.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 15th September 2020Of course forest management is a comprehensive fix, just as managing any risk properly is. Complaining about the climate certainly isn’t.
Griff
/ 15th September 2020Yip
Keep your denial going.
Because you are only going to look more insane as time goes on.
Physics does not give a fuck about your political ideology. .
Climate change is a factor in increasing the impacts of wild fires
To use the words of the Pentagon report it is a threat multiplier
Corky
/ 15th September 2020Talking of managing risk. If you have a home in the bush..duh!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7678955/Black-Saturday-survivor-fined-cutting-trees-supports-hazard-reduction.html
Duker
/ 15th September 2020What then is that climate change over the last 30 years, in the hills of california ? What parts have been getting drier and what parts havent ?
A long dry summer is factor
There is also this
‘Many deadly fires have been started by downed power lines. The 2018 Carr Fire, the state’s sixth-largest on record, started when a truck blew out its tire and its rim scraped the pavement, sending out sparks. And some are started through bad decisions, like the fire that was ignited over the weekend by smoke-generating fireworks as part of a gender-reveal party and has consumed thousands of acres east of Los Angeles; NY Times
Only since aviation age after WW2 have fires been able to have aerial photos to measure the size. before that time , who knows how big the fires were
Alan Wilkinson
/ 15th September 2020Any forest can catch fire in the worst possible conditions. It is up to forest design and management to ensure if it does so it can be controlled so as to avoid damage to other property or threaten lives. Climate change may increase or reduce frequency of fires. Forest management determines the adverse consequences.
duperez
/ 15th September 2020Some American correspondent I heard yesterday spoke of the extreme winds in Oregon. When a range of high risk factors coincide things are likely to be worse. Suggesting one factor being the cause or responsible is probably limited.
Example: “SEATTLE — A potentially historic late summer wind event is brewing for parts of the Pacific Northwest with hot and bone dry conditions already in place, making for critical fire weather conditions across much of the region and bringing on top of it the potential for power outages and wind damage.”
Alan Wilkinson
/ 15th September 2020The evidence for an increase in extreme weather events is poor. We haven’t had a repeat of the Wahine storm. The summer the Sky Tower was built Auckland had five cyclones. I’ve lived in Russell for 20 years and by far the worst flooding and storm damage in that time was about 15 years ago.
Duker
/ 15th September 2020When I lived in SE Australia a while back , the summer fire season was a regular thing, some the fires were whoppers , occasionally substantial loss of life as a result of a particular weather event.
No one mentioned climate change them. As everyone was aware of the last 50 years of similar and regular summer fires . The big fires went back to the earliest days of european settlement. Every rural small town had its own big fire story that locals knew about.
Duker
/ 15th September 2020A temperature record for August for a small college in the Napa valley
Wheres the ‘climate change’ over the last 70 years especially the last 20 ?
Griff.
/ 15th September 2020Alan Wilkinson
/ 15th September 2020Good to see your trend close to your favourite climate scientist’s latest satellite data:
The linear warming trend since January, 1979 remains at +0.14 C/decade (+0.12 C/decade over the global-averaged oceans, and +0.18 C/decade over global-averaged land).
Griff.
/ 15th September 2020Unless you link to your source we can consider you gibbering bullshite as usual for a RWNJ.
Even better lets look at all the data from a reputable source.
Actual thermometer based sources.
Using Berkeley earth and the long accepted and statistically supportable thirty year time frame for climate .
Trend: 0.205 ±0.052 °C/decade (2σ).
Giss temp v4
Trend: 0.220 ±0.062 °C/decade (2σ)
If we go with the satellite derived temperatures with their considerable issues we get.*
RSSv4.0 TLT
Trend: 0.237 ±0.086 °C/decade (2σ)
I of course know from prior experience of dealing with your denial .
You are using Dr “god made it so we can not change it” Roys the creationist nutbars oft corrected outlying data set.
UAHv6.0 TLT
Trend: 0.143 ±0.088 °C/decade (2σ)
Cherry picking How totally surprising……not
Even the previous iteration of Dr Roys rather debatable data set gives .
UAHv5.6 TLT
Trend: 0.191 ±0.100 °C/decade (2σ)
All trends sourced from the Temperature trend calculator @ https://www.skepticalscience.com/trend.php
* An explanation of the issues with satellite derived temperatures.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=466
Duker
/ 15th September 2020LA temperature ….a vast metropolis with a well known inversion problem..is that where the fires are burning or the forested rural areas
This guy reserched the temperature trends for a range of sites in Los Angeles County…the area of greater Los Angeles.
He finds a range of small temperature increase nothing like the big increase you have for some unknown location in LA
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://spatial.usc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Reed_Dustin.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwixpZ2b3errAhXRb30KHVOyBHUQFjANegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw1TJbLUCu8JxRQ4-aZ7ArWt
Duker
/ 15th September 20203 of the six stations in LA county with a long enough temp record show no significant trend in monthly temperature trends, according to Dustin analysis.
3 sites did , one of which was LAX the international airport
Griff.
/ 15th September 2020Umm dukes.
That is the global temperature change.
and mate
I linked to a source that has more information.
So we can tell you really do not pay any attention.
Who is talking about Los Angeles anyway?
That is only one city in a large state and is many miles (230 +) 400km away from the present fires .
Like looking at the weather in Palmerston North when you are traveling to Auckland.
Not even…..
Shite even the weather 20 km away in lang’s beach is noticeably different from here in kiawaka because of the hills between and distance from the sea .
Beside which your data is somewhat old .
All I can say is fuck its amazing watching you loons twist your self’s into pretzels denying the inevitable results of basic fucking physics.
I know because I have a reasonable understanding of the science behind AGW that you poor rubes are going to keep making big arses or yours self’s.
It gives me a never ending source of laughter.
Pete George
/ 15th September 2020NOEL
/ 15th September 2020Like the bit about the Muldoon eyebrow.
When she was first shown on TV with the Muldoon smirk it was so close I forgot what year it was. Then again it’s a year no one wants to remember.
Duker
/ 15th September 2020How ‘defunding’ Police in US – a local responsibility paid by ratepayers- might work
Neal Skorpen on DailyKos
We have the same approach here, ever more time consuming duties for police- dealing with the homeless, lack of mental health services, domestic violence etc
David
/ 15th September 2020If only the Democrats in their states and cities would actually do what they were elected to do. San Francisco is a sewer and it has the most millionaires per capita anywhere, they are highly taxed to boot and that beautiful city is terrible.
Been three times and its so sad to see the human depravity expand alongside the explosion in tech wealth and all in Pelosi,s district.
Corky
/ 15th September 2020Proof once again the liberal way doesn’t work.
Duker
/ 15th September 2020The poorest states are republican like Alabama, Mississippi, Kentucky , Oklahoma etc
Tell us what are the richest ones …ever heard of Massachusetts, new jersey etc.
California’s problems are because its so much more population than any other state that say the bottom 5% is still nearly 2 million people. probably 1/3 of Alabama is as poor as the bottom 5% in California
David
/ 15th September 2020But you tend not to trip over a homeless person who has shit his pants and has a needle sticking out of his arm in one of the wealthiest cities on earth where one of the most powerful women in the US government has been the local MP for 30 years in the poorer south.
Duker
/ 15th September 2020And you reguarly go to say rural Mississippi ?
Didnt think so. You go to California and SFO because an average wealth there would make St Heliers here look like Mangere
Corky
/ 15th September 2020Collins basically stating National will kowtow to China.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/judith-collins-caught-in-stoush-as-taiwan-s-auckland-representative-rejects-china-s-overtly-untrue-message-to-her.html
NOEL
/ 15th September 2020NZ and China signed a “memorandum of arrangement” in March 2017 to develop a work plan for the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) within 18 months.
Then there was a change of Government.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2020/09/01/commentary/debt-trap-diplomacy-bri-china/
What was it she was proposing?
Ahh yes an Infrastructure Bank