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  1. Jack

     /  17th September 2020

    https://www-newsroom-co-nz.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.newsroom.co.nz/a-peek-into-the-future?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&amp=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsroom.co.nz%2Fa-peek-into-the-future

    Last night Corky said – “I suggest you have a word to our resident fundermantlist Christian and ask…”

    I do not identify as a fundamentalist. In fact, I view anything added to the name “Christian” as backward.

    I wonder if Mr Luxon is comfortable with being labelled “extra/whatever” Christian. Regardless, he looks like a political leader comfortable in his own skin.

    Christians must look forward. It’s the Church which leads humanity. Church has always done that, since the time of Jesus’ resurrection. The world can never get ahead of the body of Christ.

    Every day I want to quit here. Some might think I am deserving of ridicule but I submit to you all that I am due some polite and thoughtful answers to the questions I posed in my guest post. I would appreciate your serious thoughts. When I ask these questions I am looking ahead – one hundred, two hundred…five hundred years.

    I’ve tried to show you the difference between ‘nominal’ or ‘denominational’ Christians and one who honours the cross. Do you think it could ever become an offense in NZ to mention the cross?

    Personally, I have experienced people take senseless offense to me, even strangers as I go about my own business. There is ‘something’ in the air in NZ. Contrary to the suggestions of trouble makers here, I have always been a quiet and friendly person who prefers the other person’s emotional comfort.

    What is so confrontational about the cross? Are Kiwis willing to tolerate a Christian? Will the body of Christ need to go underground/lay low?

    I’ve also tried to explain that your cross to bear is a pleasure, nothing onerous and it involves your spiritual talent used with the attitude that you want to edify Church. Since Jesus Christ bore his terrible cross and rose victorious then your cross has nothing whatsoever painful about it. It contributes to your personality, not burdens.

    I’ve tried to show that the church in NZ is at a cross roads. Individual Christians need to decide whether they actually do belong to THE Church. I’ve called that process a cult slide.

    NZ could grow into the future with prosperity and hope, upholding a sensible secular democracy, if there are plenty of Christians in the land

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    • Jack

       /  17th September 2020

      Just to qualify, since there are sharks on this site – no, I don’t go about talking about Jesus, trying to open such conversations (except for here) etc. If somebody initiates I share my hope but that only happens with people seeking my friendship. When I say that I am experiencing increased aggression, I mean that other people just seem to ‘know’ that I cherish my cross. Kiwis are very spiritual. Also, there is an element of social pariahism due to the church abuse against me and gossip is widespread, of which I fed admittedly. That’s because I had to either push back or keel over

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      • Jack

         /  17th September 2020

        Oops “(except for here)”
        There, I did it again. No, that has not been my attitude here. I just lied against myself! I wrote that thing because I tend to tease, in the hope that others might see a joke instead of getting uptight.
        Sharks – just try and stay away hey? The questions I pose are important for our descendants’ futures
        My cross to bear involves the spiritual talents of apostleship, prophesy and discernment. Please try to avoid taking that the wrong way too. I’ll bet there are others on this site with similar spiritual talents.

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    • Jack

       /  17th September 2020

      …and – you might presume that I’d be all in favour of Mr Luzon as PM?
      Not necessarily. It all depends on whether he uses his spiritual talents for Church. Most Christian politicians drop their crosses. Judith does.
      If Judith was carrying her cross, that would be less obvious to the crowd than the fact that she is dropping it.

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  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  17th September 2020

    Guardian doubles down on bad forest management in California/Oregan, this time critiquing from Indians:
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/16/california-wildfires-cultural-burns-indigenous-people

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  3. David

     /  17th September 2020

    Truml has done another peace deal between Israel and several Arab countries, quite remarkable and if it was anyone other than Trump it would be a global celebration.
    Looks like the key is to side step the Palestinians.

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    • duperez

       /  17th September 2020

      Do you think that this is possibly another “Peace for our time” moment?

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      • David

         /  17th September 2020

        No idea what that question means but should we not be happy that there is some peace breaking out regardless that its Netanyahu and Trump at the forefront.
        Crazy there is no media coverage but I guess that proves its a good thing Trump has done.

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        • duperez

           /  17th September 2020

          Sorry, the reference was to Neville Chamberlain.

          Peace has been breaking out in all parts of the world since forever. Peace has broken out in the Middle East for thousands of years. Peace has broken out in that part of the world right through my life. That is why it is surprising there have to be so many ‘action replays.’

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_for_our_time

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        • Duker

           /  17th September 2020

          Gulf states were non belligents with Israel ,they are just recognising Israel because their real enemy is nearby Iran , not distant israel.

          There is no peace treaty because there was no war between them

          You will that diplomatic recognition isnt really news worthy to the rest of the world
          The real peace treaties with Israel with Egypt, Jordan, Palestinian representatives were done by democratic presidents

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  4. Blazer

     /  17th September 2020

    Buy some cheap land,get it rezoned residential…..$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$..

    The housing project is not necessary to the project.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122781419/concerns-sleepyhead-development-could-become-a-slum-if-houses-dont-sell

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    • Fight4nz

       /  17th September 2020

      Why Ohinewai? Is it a patch not suited to Dairy? Understand the move to get out of Auckland and its costs. There would seem seem to be better brown fields options – Meremere, Ngarawahia, Huntly or North positioned for the new Whangarei Port.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  17th September 2020

        I thought the Left wanted to shut down dairy?

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      • Duker

         /  17th September 2020

        “Why Ohinewai”
        It is close to Huntly and beside the SH 1 and the main railway. Ideal in a way to leverage the small infrastructure there now , like a school and houses along Waikato River bank and the old main highway through the town. A Pokeno in the making

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  17th September 2020

    COVID 19, deaths NZ 5 per million
    Australia 32 per million
    Sweden 579 per million
    Thanks PM Jacinda Ardern,for the low death numbers

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    • Corky

       /  17th September 2020

      I would rather have sacrificed non productive members of the community like you so we could have had a great economy going forward like Australia and Sweden.

      What’s the use of having healthy people with nothing to eat, no jobs or future?

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      • lurcher1948

         /  17th September 2020

        That’s an arsehole comment corky,lower than your usual lowlife racist agest spew

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        • Corky

           /  17th September 2020

          No, it’s not. When times get tougher, and they will, do you think people will care about you ( or me for that matter) when their empty stomachs rumble??

          My new prediction: Crime is about to spiral out of control in all metropolitan areas.

          Now, I want an apology, or I will report you like Mike was reported for trying to tell the truth.

          Start with:

          Corky, dear friend…?

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      • duperez

         /  17th September 2020

        I bags be the one who judges the criteria for ‘non-productive’ and decides on who is to be ‘sacrificed.’

        In the spirit of leadership, setting the example and putting your money where your mouth is, I’m sure someone with your perspective would be pushing others out of the way to do your bit for humanity. Congratulations. 🙃

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    • Lurch seems to imagine that the PM single-handedly kept the numbers low; what a slap in the face for all the health workers and a callous disregard for all those whose businesses and jobs are gone because of the PM’s heavy-handed lockdowns.

      Is she also responsible for the three news deaths and the new cases and lockdown that have been the result of the border testing disaster that she assured us was ‘sweeping’ when, in fact, about 1/3 of the workers were tested before Michael Morrah exposed this ?

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    • Corky

       /  17th September 2020

      Talking of fools, get a load of this one.

      This guy is standing for the Prez of the US. While Trump is brokering peace deals…well …lol, lol, lol. 😂😂😂😂

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2250194/Video-Joe-Biden-plays-Despacito-phone-Latino-voters-event.html

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      • MaureenW

         /  17th September 2020

        It’s a bigger personality-based cringe-fest than last time (if that were possible).

        I can barely believe that the nonsense being spouted out of the US is supposedly about the contest of leaders for the world’s superpower.

        Years back we used to laugh at other countries elections and political systems .. and look at it now .. it’s just pathetic. The words of George Carlin are ringing in my ears .. it’s a big club, and you ain’t in it.

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      • Duker

         /  17th September 2020

        “While Trump is brokering peace deals…well …”
        When did Bahrain or UAE declare war on Israel , when did the fighting stop……..
        Its just diplomatic recognition – not a peace treaty-because the Arab Sunni states fear The Persians nearby more than Distant israel who they were never ‘at war’ with

        https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-text-of-the-treaty-of-peace-signed-by-israel-and-the-united-arab-emirates/

        No mention of any ending of state of War or armed conflict- because there wasnt one , just an every day diplomatic recognition and expanded relations

        This is the Egypt-Israel peace Treaty text

        Click to access EG%20IL_790326_Egypt%20and%20Israel%20Treaty%20of%20Peace.pdf


        Article I. 1. The state of war between the Parties will be terminated
        and peace will be established between them upon the exchange of instruments of
        ratification of this Treaty.

        It really did end the ‘state of war’ between the 2 countries , as brokered by Jimmy Carter. Not a word along those lines in Israel- UAE agreement

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        • Corky

           /  17th September 2020

          Let’s not quibble – it’s election time. The point of my post was to show people who don’t support Trump are thick. He is by far the best of the bunch during both the previous and the present election cycle.

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          • Duker

             /  17th September 2020

            Trump, even by those who have worked with him, say hes completely unsuited for the job.
            His endless lies, hes incapable of being honest- are you aware even his family say that.
            Its you thats thick
            Just the other day
            ‘He claimed undue credit for calling in the National Guard to Minneapolis. It was the governor of Minnesota, not him, who activated the state’s National Guard.

            “President Trump on Tuesday night falsely claimed that “we were short on ventilators because the cupboards were bare when we took it over.” The Strategic National Stockpile, the government’s repository of medicines and medicinal products, contained more than $7 billion worth of supplies when Mr. Trump took office, including more than 16,000 ventilators.”

            he also now claims his travel bans started in January , it was March and only foreign citizens not Americans and other exceptions
            “ultimately allowing 40,000 people to travel from China to the United States from the end of January to April. ”

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            • Corky

               /  17th September 2020

              You need to stop..listen and read. I will rephrase: In my OPIONION Trump is still the best of a bad bunch. No one is denying his bad points.

              Google:

              ”This results in an annual growth rate of -3.8 percent in 2020 and puts the US economy on a modest recovery path of about 3.2 percent growth in 2021”

              Not bad consider all factors..including what you would call a nutty president.

          • MaureenW

             /  17th September 2020

            I don’t think Trump has done bad things for the US, he says a lot of stupid things and the media make up other things and take him out of context, providing a steady supply of negative headlines. I think he’ll struggle to win again, Biden won’t win either – he is the worst excuse for a presidential candidate I’ve seen.

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            • Patzcuaro

               /  17th September 2020

              If Trump won’t win and neither will Biden who will win?

            • MaureenW

               /  17th September 2020

              Have you had a predictable year so far Patz?
              I don’t see this election having a predictable outcome. I won’t predict who’ll be sworn in in January but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s neither of them. I am willing to predict it won’t be Biden though.

            • Duker

               /  17th September 2020

              That would Pelosi who would be sworn in as new President. The constitution says that the choice if the election doesnt have a result. There is no existing president who stays in office while its sorted.
              So there is only 3 choices , either of the 2 main parties candidate , or the Speaker ( whos sworn in earlier in Jan )

            • MaureenW

               /  17th September 2020

              It well may be Pelosi, Duker. Still, we’ll see who jumps in when Biden pulls out.

            • Duker

               /  17th September 2020

              people were saying that Clinton would pull out back in 2016 , most probably YOU
              Each major candidate has a vice president candidate who could ‘replace them’ on the ballot or as President to be sworn in.
              “In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.”

              That would also apply for “President elects’

              You forget it was Trump late last year who was rushed to a Military Hospital with his doctor in the car and Pence put on standby to ‘assume the duties’.

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    • Corky

       /  17th September 2020

      New website to educate the ignorant about 5G.

      And this is all based on expert advice from the Ministry of Health, WHO and the PMs chief science adviser.

      I have already posted on this issue going back a year. Let’s forget about the burnt vegetation around cell towers and ask a simple question that requires only common sense:

      5G needs way more cell towers to operate efficiently. We already have electronic pollution to a high degree. Houses are now being built to reduce such electronic pollution, so, what will 5G cell towers do to the already heavy atmosphere of electronic smog?

      http://www.5gfacts.org.nz,

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    • Harry

       /  18th September 2020

      Pete – have you tried looking beyond your slavish devotion to the official Covid narrative, and considered any of the objections to it? Going by the fact that you deleted one of my posts recently for mentioning some facts about Sweden, my guess is the answer is no.

      “Complicity Theorist
      (noun)
      A person who accepts the political narratives of the day unquestionably;
      consumes mainstream media like it was 1980;
      and is prone to submissiveness, outbursts of irrational fear, and public-shaming of free-thinkers.”

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      • Sounds a bit like you’re doing “outbursts of irrational fear, and public-shaming of free-thinkers”.

        Your claim of “mentioning some facts about Sweden” is inaccurate. What you said about Sweden was “The success of Sweden in dealing with the so-called pandemic, without implemeting a police state, is a fact.”

        It’s probably a fact that Sweden didn’t implement a police state – neither did New Zealand or just about any other country – but “”The success of Sweden in dealing with the so-called pandemic” is not a fact.

        Sweden has one of the highest death rates for Covid (580 per million, ranked 13) compared to New Zealand (5 per million, ranked 167=). Their current total deaths are 5,864.

        It may turn out that the approach taken by Sweden turns out to be relatively successful, but that will be impossible to determine for quite some time yet – and if they turn out to be successful compared to New Zealand that would mean a death count here of over three thousand, which at this stage looks quite unlikely.

        And it’s not “a so-called pandemic”, it’s a pandemic, one of the worst the world has had to try to deal with a hundred years.

        If you have facts to share, produce them, link to them.

        But if you make unsupported disputable claims and cal them facts then I may choose not to let you away with that.

        Your definition of complicity comes from the Urban Dictionary:

        https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Complicity%20Theorist

        It sounds like someone has just dreamed that up to try to publicly shame free-thinkers.

        Origin of Complicity Theorist: First recorded 2020 (Melbourne, Victoria – Australia)
        by UtterSpace September 09, 2020

        Funny – it originated last week in Melbourne.

        Even funnier is this example given:

        Richard and Perle were operatives who used the Deep State apparatus to subliminally and insidiously control the minds of the unassuming general population through main stream media disinformation; complicity theorists soon became the societal norm.

        That doesn’t make sense. Do you think it’s a deliberate piss take?

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  17th September 2020

    Corky wished me ,my wife ,PG anyone over 65 years old, your parents folks,PG again to have died of COVID-19…..this is righties view no cuddles to the retired only death Seymour style or COVID
    Corky / 17th September 2020
    I would rather have sacrificed non productive members of the community like you so we could have had a great economy going forward like Australia and Sweden.
    PG your have to die ,so do i…Corky demands it…Corky is a low form of humanity,

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  8. Duker

     /  17th September 2020

    Swedens GDP numbers are in for second quarter
    GDP down 8.6%

    “David Oxley, senior Europe economist at Capital Economics, told CNBC via email that Sweden’s sharp GDP contraction “confirms that it has not been immune to Covid, despite the government’s well-documented light-touch lockdown.”
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/05/sweden-coronavirus-record-gdp-fall-still-outperformed-some-in-europe.html

    Their ‘light touch’ is still about the same as level 2 in NZ, and more restrictive than the Level 1 we had and outside Auckland will have from next week.

    tell us again what was Sweden hoping to achieve by scarf-icing almost 7000 of its people by Jan 1 2021?

    (from the the Oxford Coronavirus Government Response Tracker) and Stats Chat
    https://www.bsg.ox.ac.uk/research/research-projects/coronavirus-government-response-tracker

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    • Corky

       /  17th September 2020

      A better economy going forward. Before you jump for joy, let’s just wait unit this time next year. You may not want to crow then.

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      • Corky

         /  17th September 2020

        * until.

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        • Duker

           /  17th September 2020

          Or the economists may not have any idea …and have egg on face
          ‘The Australian Bureau of Statistics on Thursday reported the national jobless rate dropped to 6.8 per cent from 7.5 per cent. Markets had been expecting an increase in unemployment to around 8 per cent.
          ‘More than 110,000 jobs were created across Australia in August, delivering the nation a surprise fall in unemployment even as Victoria went into coronavirus lockdown.”
          the Age.

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    • Duker

       /  17th September 2020

      Who was caught out telling porkies by the people who check these things .
      Others have said hes flip flopped over lockdowns , stop the hysteria to from llockdowns now , to should be gone yesterday
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018741210/mike-hosking-s-many-contradictory-takes-on-covid-19
      1. We need to stop overreacting to coronavirus March 6
      2. The government shouldn’t be too quick to intervene in the economy
      3. The government should have been quicker to intervene in the economy ( a week after above)
      4. We need to shut the country down Mar 23
      5. We didn’t need to shut the country down April 1

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    • Pickled Possum

       /  17th September 2020

      Media taonga??!!
      Taonga… noun … in maori culture
      an object or natural resource which is highly prized.
      Thats laughable!!
      mike hoskings is NO TAONGA.
      Does that man even know how to say the word taonga ???

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      • Well, he’s certainly an object (objectionable, anyway) and he’s highly prized by some people 😀

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      • He’s good for a laugh, anyway, with that dunnybrush hair (he actually PAYS someone to make it look like that) and the stuck in the 80s ‘designer stubble’ (or what he thinks is that) I won’t start on the fact that he wears his wife’s jackets….

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      • Corky

         /  17th September 2020

        Chur, chur, PP. He’s real. He’s wealthy. And he’s influenaial. Why do you think 77, 000 people like you wanted him off the airwaves? Because he cuts through the bs people spout.

        Even poor old Duker is still trying to flog a dead horse after I proved him wrong about Mikes SUPPOSED condradictory statments.

        Chur…any luck with Gezza?

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  9. NOEL

     /  17th September 2020

    Piece on TV last night about the Mayor who change the speed signs with decals

    NZTA reasoning for speed change.

    ” Manawaru Road – disagree with the 50km/h proposal – mean speeds are very high through Manawaru at 70-74km/h and Council will not comply with clause 4.4(2)(c) of the Rule (must aim to achieve a mean operating speed less than 10% above the speed limit) without significant speed management interventions. Statistics NZ regards this as a rural area, which is reflected by the rural type environment with no kerb and channel and footpaths, which is encouraging the high travel speeds. Table 1.4 in the Guide does not provide for 50km/h speed limits in rural environments. The SAAS from MegaMaps 60km/h, which is the appropriate safe and appropriate speed limit for rural towns like Manawaru, and aligns with Government’s expectations for speed limits past rural schools. To achieve urban travel speeds of 50 (and 40km/h for the proposed variable school zone) Council would have to invest in physical infrastructure to make it look and feel like an urban area, which road users would then respond to with urban travel speeds. Only changing the number on speed limit signs will not deliver urban travel speeds in the current environment, and Council will not therefore comply with clause 4.4(2)(c) of the Rule. It is noted that the SAAS is 80km/h for the surrounding network approaching Manawaru, and mean speeds are 80-89km/h. This confirms that an 80km/h speed limit replacing the current 100km/h speed limit would deliver mean speed reductions approaching Manawaru, which would also help reduce speeds through the settlement. Without appropriate urban infrastructure to reduce travel speeds and achieve consistent compliance with lower speed limits, 60km/h is the safe and appropriate speed limit for the Manawaru rural village based on the information provided by Waka Kotahi.”

    Council saved curb and channeling cost by cheap decals. Clever.

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