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  1. Conspiratoor

     /  27th September 2020

    Does anyone here really believe biden is capable of fronting up to a debate with trump

    The dems are terrified. Nancies putting the plan in motion

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    • Corky

       /  27th September 2020

      I have found these clips of Biden, and others, very funny. But I’m wondering if they are not so funny. Maybe Biden has the beginnings of a neurological disorder? Either that or he knows he is gaff prone and is over self-monitoring. That usually magnifies the problem.

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      • Duker

         /  27th September 2020

        Not a neurological disorder just a speech impairment where he tries to compensate. Hes long had it, so its no secret

        For the mind of a child, just check out Trumps remarks in a formal setting, even the sentences dont have the same thoughts at beginning as the end.
        Its not the mind of a president, theres a whole string of words senior staff who worked for him would use….

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        • Corky

           /  27th September 2020

          We are talking about Biden. Trumps short comings have been well documented.From where I sit Trump is a wise man by comparison. As I have previously stated: the fun will happen when Trump leaves office. Then a true perspective of his presidency will become apparent. In the above clip you are seeing the future of America. Enjoy! I know China, Russia and American haters are.

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    • The debates and the election seem to be a battle of incompetencies and impairments.

      Does anyone think Trump is capable of debate without incessant lying?

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  27th September 2020

        A predictable diversion so allow me to rephrase. Do you think Biden has the mental capacity to go head to head in a debate without a teleprompter and scripted questions?

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        • David

           /  27th September 2020

          Biden standing is elder abuse, he is clearly in the early stages of dementia. He couldnt get past the first line of the pledge of allegiance this week, he is at home 40% of the time calling a lid on Thursday at 9.45 which was a big day stateside.
          It takes some effort to ignore the glaring issue of Bidens candidacy and his ability to govern America.

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        • “Do you think Biden has the mental capacity to go head to head in a debate without a teleprompter and scripted questions?”

          I have no idea. neither does Trump and his attack agents. We will have to wait and see.

          Do you think Trump has the mental capacity to go head to head in a debate without a teleprompter and his own questions?

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  27th September 2020

            Trump goes head to head daily with hostile media so I have no doubt he can function without a teleprompter, although he has admitted he uses one

            Should be a good watch if it happens which I doubt because joes handlers are clearly beginning to panic

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        • duperez

           /  27th September 2020

          Given that doing the job is all about being able to perform in a TV debate?

          When being a leader is minimised to the numbers of viewers to a tv show or whether 43.2% think you were better that the other person there and other numbers are irrelevant, you get what you deserve.

          This is an just an example that there are other numbers which could be slightly significant.

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      • MaureenW

         /  27th September 2020

        Probably not .. but you can be sure he’ll land some well directed zingers. It is US politics after all . not a contest of ideas.

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    • MaureenW

       /  27th September 2020

      Does anyone really believe Biden will be the candidate on Election Day. It’s suspends my belief that the dirty trickster Dems would run this guy without some ulterior plan

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      • David

         /  27th September 2020

        The guy has been in power for 47 years and vice president and he is trying to sell that he is the candidate of change…from what ?

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        • Duker

           /  27th September 2020

          hasnt been in power, merely a senator from one of the smallest states Delaware.
          there is 100 senators of which he was only one. As VP he had less say than a junior West Wing ‘advisor’. ( of which there are dozens)
          The US doesnt have collective cabinet like NZ
          If you think thats ‘in Power’

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          • David

             /  27th September 2020

            OK then Duker in 47 years in a position where he has as much power as a senator from California and 8 years being in the room with the President he has managed to persuade nobody to follow his great ideas.
            Not a single time on anything has he managed to persuade anyone of anything except his 1994 crime bill which locked people up for huge lengths of time which he is now trying dissociate himself from.
            Its not a great CV, an average man of limited intellect and ability in cognitive decline and this is the best the Democrats can come up with, stunning.

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    • The chances of ever eliminating family violence are zero, I would think. I had forgotten about Labour’s naive policy and their proclaiming that they would end it.

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      • Blazer

         /  27th September 2020

        It’s aspirational just like the War on terror,crime,P…et al.

        Do you always take everything literally or are you just…..t—-?

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      • Am I just what ? You seem to be aping Duker with his snide, bad-mannered hinting. If you want to say it, say it and stop acting like a wannabe smart-alec schoolboy.If you haven’t the guts to say it outright, don’t hint.

        Solving it surely implies eliminating it. What else could it mean ?

        Et al is short for et alia and is used of people, not inanimate objects or concepts. That would be etc, short for et cetera.

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        • Duker

           /  27th September 2020

          Moderators remove certain words….so makes it easier
          You could just take your carping to the other sites you are active on instead

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        • Blazer

           /  27th September 2020

          Et al. essentially means “and others,” “extra,” or “in addition.” It is the abbreviated form of the Latin expression et alia (or et alii or et aliae, the masculine and feminine form of the plural, respectively).

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  4. MaureenW

     /  27th September 2020

    It’s going to be a stormy day across New Zealand today .. I’m surprised we haven’t been told to sit inside with our raincoats on.

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  5. David

     /  27th September 2020

    The FBI was not well run under Obama and Biden, it was clearly used for political purposes and regardless of the personalities involved its outrageous the way they behaved. If the roles were reversed and Trump had the FBI investigate Biden with pretty much no evidence of wrongdoing heads would explode. Its a bad place for a democracy to be.
    https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/25/get-trump-fbi-whistleblower-on-mueller-team-details-real-reason-flynn-was-targeted/
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/25/110-disturbing-revelations-from-fbi-special-agent-william-barnett-on-the-fbis-michael-flynn-probe/
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/25/fbi-agents-michael-flynn-probe-421633

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    • Duker

       /  27th September 2020

      Werent investigating Trump.
      They had evidence Russians were having back channel discussions with Trumps team, and they were. His national security advisor quit because he was lying about it…that was the plea he took but the evidence they had went much deeper and they gave him an easy way out ( he was a military intelligence general so he knew what he was doing, and also why he was offered a slap on the wrist deal)

      You seem to forget the FBI was going over Clinton , her charities and her emails with a fine tooth comb. This was far more public
      The 2016 campaign wasnt the FBI looking the other way like you suggest.
      Clinton was also went under multiple investigations by the REpublicans in congress in the previous few years, came up with nothing

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  6. duperez

     /  27th September 2020

    All the good work undone. The sterling work of deeply professional journalists uncovering those who’d broken fingernails in isolation and there wasn’t a fleet of ambulances on call, or whose food arrived 2:48 later than expected.

    Now some upstart gets publicity suggesting that things weren’t too bad when 50,000 went through the system and there would be some problems.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/122848275/coronavirus-managed-isolation-in-nz-humane-compared-to-brutal-australia

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/afternoons/audio/2018765439/australian-managed-isolation-process-brutal-says-nzer

    😷

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  7. Blazer

     /  27th September 2020

    The land of the free and the home of the brave…over 330million people and the best they can come up with is ,Trump vs Biden!-hopeless.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  27th September 2020

      Americans fleeing our Pharmac ill-health bureaucracy:
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12367003

      Medsafe is even worse.

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      • Blazer

         /  27th September 2020

        Who cares.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  27th September 2020

          Obviously not Labour. If you don’t fit our bureaucratic rules you can just die while we take our own good time to get around to a decision. And if our choice of medication doesn’t work for you that’s just too bad.

          Be kind is their greatest lie ever.

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          • Kimbo

             /  27th September 2020

            Er, Alan, you did read that their private health insurance also didn’t cover the medication?

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  27th September 2020

              It’s covered in the US and other countries. Do any NZ health insurances cover pharmaceuticals? I doubt it because it would be a nightmare complementing Pharmac with their continuous changes and dealing with Medsafe’s arbitrary importing constraints. How can you insure against authoritarian bureaucratic decisions?

            • Kimbo

               /  27th September 2020

              So now you are speculating, especially concerning Medsafe, when insurance would, in the ordinary course of events, be able to sell pharmaceuticals coverage to the niche that wants and can afford it. Southern Cross, for instance, say they cover some non-Pharmac approved pharmaceuticals:

              https://www.southerncross.co.nz/society/buying-health-insurance/our-plans/cancer-assist

              More likely the insurance companies, as with Pharmac, are faced with a potential bottomless pit of costs for what are still new drugs that are very costly but aggressively marketed by the pharmaceutical companies. As occurred with Herceptin and Keyruda in 2008 and 2015 respectively, which empowered populist politicians to try and skew Parmac’s funding criteria.

              So while health insurance companies may be more “efficient” (albeit while avoiding the costly unprofitable treatments and services a state system provides), nonetheless like the state, private health bureaucracy does have…rationing to get the best “bang for their buck”.

              Sorry, but as with the alleged foolishness of the Covid lockdown to extend for a few more months/years the life of those who are at most risk in the elderly category, I can see why the emotionally difficult but logical decision has been made to withhold treatment for someone with…terminal cancer. And I say that as someone who’s had two bouts of treatment in recent years, and for the moment all is well. Watch this space…

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  27th September 2020

              No, I’m not speculating about Medsafe. A family member was on a medication for a decade which worked for her, then Pharmac stopped funding it. None of the alternatives worked. For a while she could buy it privately until pharmacy stocks ran out. It’s not expensive. Now Medsafe tell her she needs an import licence if she wants to get her prescription from overseas. It is damaging her life. Medsafe don’t care at all.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  27th September 2020

              Except the decision hasn’t been made. Merely delayed which never has a cost for bureaucrats.

            • Kimbo

               /  27th September 2020

              Ok, so now you have, like the NZ Herald story, an anecdote, albeit concerning the dramatic matter of life and the forestalling and/or delaying of death/significant quality of life…that may or may not have wider application to Pharmac’s and Medsafe’s alleged bureaucratic incompetence and indifference. Fair enough.

              Just out of interest, what was the drug, what was is the cost (including approximate to Medsafe approving private importation)?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  27th September 2020

              She’s just an ordinary young adult with no idea how she would go about getting an import licence and neither has her doctor. The medication costs a few dollars for a months supply but she can’t get it in NZ.

              Anecdote? Sure but an individual truth. That is the best kind. They are usually what force change in the end after enough have died.

            • Kimbo

               /  27th September 2020

              Sure, and that’s how politics works. The spectre of losing granny to the ghastly Covid pestilence has driven the National compliance with the lockdown strategy.

              Anyway, I hope that the matter is resolved quickly for the young lady concerned.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  27th September 2020

              It won’t be. It’s been going on for several years now. Medsafe is just a vile obstruction to health.

          • Kimbo

             /  27th September 2020

            Correction: Even more in support of Pharmac, no private health insurance covers it

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      • Duker

         /  27th September 2020

        Cost benefit analysis… whats the problem with that.
        Pharmaceutical benefit studies are the worst sort of medical research and hopelessly compromised by confirmation bias and conflicts of interest.

        But will be OK on Obamacare back in the states?.. at least they wont be voting for Trump, but may find their co payments to their insurer may cripple them anyway for the pre existing condition.
        You feel sorry for them as they seem to be chasing rainbows and the drug might only be giving 6 months extra life for half the patients ( with the study paid for by the drug company)

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  27th September 2020

          The great injustice of state care is that you can spend a lifetime paying for other people’s healthcare only to luck out when your need comes.

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  27th September 2020

        That might be a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire. A doctor went to his own employer in the US for a COVID antibody test and was charged $10984 which his insurance company paid without batting an eyelid. According to the doctor the test materials only cost $8 excluding labour no doubt.

        The US has the worlds most expensive health system which doesn’t provide value for money.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  27th September 2020

          And only Trump is trying to change that.

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          • Patzcuaro

             /  27th September 2020

            That would be good for the Americans, perhaps he could spend more time focusing on that and less time on the negative side of his Presidency. If he had he would be a shoo in for reelection.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  27th September 2020

              He has had to defend himself against the Democrat swamp continuous attacks and obstruction. They have actively tried to stop him doing everything that might bring him credit.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  27th September 2020

              Isn’t that what opposition does, or did the Republicans go along with everything Obama wanted to do? Maybe it was Trump that set the tone for his Presidency, all that birthed stuff and the “lock her up”, not a lot of policy just personal attacks.

            • duperez

               /  27th September 2020

              You can’t seriously expect to write nonsense like “only Trump is trying to change the US from having the world’s most expensive health system which doesn’t provide value for money” and then make some sort of plea for the poor lad being picked on and hoeing to “defend himself against the Democrat swamp continuous attacks and obstruction.”

      • Fight4nz

         /  27th September 2020

        Your complaint here is that no one is taxing and spending enough in NZ to pay for ridiculously high price set by private company?

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  27th September 2020

          We can spend billions to get Labour reelected but we can’t afford drugs other countries can.

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  8. Corky

     /  27th September 2020

    Dopers and liberal dopes will not like this latest poll on cannabis reform. That said, I still believe the vote may go either way.

    Maori who work at the coal face of addiction services will be waiting on tenterhooks.

    I was recently at a Mongrel Mob tangi. Without a word of a lie, the whole mob was spaced out on P. The widow spent her whole time in a room with a P pipe. Dealers had to called when the mob ran out of crystal. Ironically the dealers were all Pakeha.

    Well, apparently we are a country that signed a partnership. LOL???!!

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/1-news-colmar-brunton-poll-support-cannabis-legalisation-dropping-end-life-choice-remains-steady-v1

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  9. duperez

     /  27th September 2020

    “Most of NZ’s imported coronavirus cases are Kiwis from the UK, US”

    Following up on the excitement I generated last week about racist attitudes in highlighting coronavirus cases coming from India and Asia. Some have it that we shouldn’t be letting in people from India and Asia because of the virus but them coming in from the UK and the USA is somehow different.

    When ethnicity and racism get involved it’s different. It then involves racist attitudes.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300117405/covid19-most-of-nzs-imported-coronavirus-cases-are-kiwis-from-the-uk-us

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    • The people from Asia could well have been Kiwis, born here. There is no reason to suppose that all were Asian born.

      As long as the cases are found, what difference does it make ?

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    • Fight4nz

       /  27th September 2020

      Question mark for me was the 2 plane lots from India who claimed having been tested and isolated before departure. Is Uk or US claiming to do that? They should be.

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      • duperez

         /  27th September 2020

        All questions are fair. I think it is acknowledged that testing and isolating before departure on one side of the world is no 100% guarantee of being virus free on arrival on the ground at the other end.

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