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  1. lurcher1948

     /  29th September 2020

    Who would live in Auckland with their bridge problems,a little breeze closes the city down , hell in Wellington bridge closing winds are an everyday thing, think sitting there in the queue waiting for the bridge to open and you REALLY have to go to the toilet,

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    • Duker

       /  29th September 2020

      Ah Wellington when a bit of high waves close the Hutt Motorway and railway down and the airport, thats if it isnt a bit of fog too. I hear the winds close the Cook Str ferries on ‘odd’ occasions too, and if a bit of an earthquake closes the port for 9 months.
      Im just waiting to see how the Transmission Gully motorway foibles work out , maybe strong winds through that narrow gap that once only bothered the sheep. Give it 18 months before heavy rain brings one of the road cuttings down like they do in the Ngarunga Gorge

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      • lurcher1948

         /  29th September 2020

        Duker you truly are a bundle of joy 🙂

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      • I remember seeing roofing iron flying across the road in Mt Victoria; a terrifying sight.

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        • Lurch, do you ever have the washing wound so tightly around the line that it’s almost impossible to undo it ? Unbelievably maddening.

          There’s a strongish wind here today that has sent recycling bins and contents running merrily down the road.

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  2. duperez

     /  29th September 2020

    It’s bloody funny really.
    “Show us your tax returns.”
    “No.”
    “C’mon.”
    “All, other Presidents do.”
    “No, don’t have to.”
    “This would put the record straight for you.”
    “No.”

    … and on and on and on for years. Years of digging and delving which, lol and behold, produce details about taxes paid.

    “So, we’ve got the information. This is what it says and what it means.”
    “It’s fake.”
    “Okay. Show us your tax returns then to show that.”
    “No.”
    😊🎉
    (Took the liberty of not extending to the next stage of the podium dismissals and attacks on the “terrible unprofessional media.” It’s a coming. 😂

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    • Duker

       /  29th September 2020

      Its clear from the context about the hundreds of millions in loans personally guaranteed by Trump coming due ( and he doesnt have the cashflow) thats the source of the tax return information…
      Those sorts of things arent in the IRS files , your loan securities etc.
      Its alos why Trumps family has been ‘griffting’ on the money raised for the re-election fund. Thats how Trump family pay their personal expenses with ‘consultancy’ expenses of all the deals that go through their hands

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  3. Corky

     /  29th September 2020

    I didn’t know the ACT deputy, Brooke van Velden, was a one time Green supporter…until she woke up.

    Brooke was dealt to by this bunch of merry socialists. I honestly don’t know why she turned up. Still, this mob won’t be so gung-ho in three years time. That’s when Brooke can have some fun.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/chloe-swarbrick-blasts-act-deputy-leader-brooke-van-velden-s-comments-on-covid-19-recovery-as-disgusting.html

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    • Kimbo

       /  29th September 2020

      Arguably those who are “ideological”/motivated by ideas above pragmatic “common sense” flip from what seems like one end of the spectrum to the other more easily.

      The hardcore right wing American commentator David Horowitz is an example. Was one of those protesting against the Vietnam War outside the Democratic Convention in Chicago in 1968…then years later lambasts in the same no-compromising unreasonable fashion the politics and people of the left.

      You sort of get the impression that no matter what his position at either end of the spectrum he’s learned…nothing, and is instead ruled by his foibles, temperament and passions.

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      • Blazer

         /  29th September 2020

        Bit like conservative hard man Malcolm Fraser who later in life had an epiphany and realized just what a vassal state Australia is to TAD.

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        • Duker

           /  29th September 2020

          He was landed gentry in his younger days so he identified with his ‘class’…when he got to see the world as it really was but he was PM.

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        • Kimbo

           /  29th September 2020

          My memory of Fraser slobbering all over a bunch of 3rd World dictators when he hosted the 1981 CHOGM. Of course Rob Muldoon, fresh off the recently-completed Springbok tour and the brunt of human rights criticism from aforesaid 3rd World dictators, and a personal contempt for Fraser’s pretentious style wasn’t having a bar of it! 😳😂

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          • Kimbo

             /  29th September 2020

            Did I mention that the 1981 Springbok tour was also a law-and/order and upholding-liberal-democracy triumph for Muldoon, who was rightly rewarded with re-election in the closely-contested election a few weeks later?

            In contrast, Zimbabwe, under the extended one party rule of Robert Mugabe who criticised Muldoon at that Melbourne conference has fared less well… 😳

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            • Duker

               /  29th September 2020

              It was a farce for democracy that set the wheels in motion for MMP
              national 38.77% ( 51% of the seats)
              Labour 39.01%
              Socred 20.65%
              Values (0.19%)

            • Kimbo

               /  29th September 2020

              Whether pre or post MMP, still better democracy than…Zimbabwe, Comrade! 😉

            • Patzcuaro

               /  29th September 2020

              Zimbabwe is a failed state similar to Venezuela, where the revolutionary zeal fades into a kleptocracy, examples of power corrupting.
              South Africa at the time of the 1981 tour was a blight on the Western world, providing the communist bloc with ammunition to attack the West. South Africa went the way of the other dinosaur of the time, the USSR.
              Mudoon cynically used the tour to get reelected but in doing so set in motion the maturing of NZ as a nation.
              NZ was certainly not a liberal democracy under Muldoon and far from being a triumph for him, in fact was the beginning of the end.

          • Blazer

             /  29th September 2020

            Muldoom….hopeless!….a triumph of ‘style’ over substance..another National one man ..wrecking ball.

            Whitlam..deposed by the GG in favour of Fraser…’God may save the..Queen..but who will save the GG’…the CI.A as he found..out!

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    • Kimbo

       /  29th September 2020

      Horowitz demonising his ideological foes, indeed anyone who just votes Democrat in action:

      https://mobile.twitter.com/horowitz39?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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    • Kimbo

       /  29th September 2020

      And not that I’m calling our regular friend Alan Wilkinson a zealot, but his transition from founder member of the Values Party in the early 1970s to his current views is an interesting case study…. 🙂

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  29th September 2020

        Not really, Kimbo. My fellow co-leader Jon Mayson became a highly successful CEO of Port of Tauranga. Before us there were definitely some loony Left economic advocates associated with Tony Kunowski (who later managed the NZSO) but we made sure only our leadership spoke on economic matters. As for environment, Jeanette Fitzsimons was the principal advocate and practiced what she preached. My wife and I joined as part of the feminist wing and the pro-choice campaigns and my views on those issues certainly haven’t changed. Likewise I was a conscientious objector to the Vietnam war and an anti-apartheid demonstrator and remain convinced those were the right sides to work for.

        Finally, perhaps, I opposed Muldoon and supported Douglas, not Lange. So really, what has changed?

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        • Kimbo

           /  29th September 2020

          Thanks, Alan, and yes I’ve heard you make that case before. Can’t argue with what you decided personally, and yes, if one was in favour of significant reform then in the end everyone from every part of the spectrum ended up opposing Muldoon.

          But you mention that whatever the founders in 1972 intended, the loonies who seemed to become quickly associated with/attach themselves to Values. Yes, like say Nicky Hager who was a candidate for them probably about the same time, in 1975?

          Bob Jones dismissed them in 1978 as “latter day Children’s Crusade”. 😳😂 Applies just as well to their successors, the Green Party.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  29th September 2020

            Much of what we advocated was implemented so prescient children. Even Bob Jones now considers himself an environmentalist – that doesn’t mean a Green of course.

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            • Kimbo

               /  29th September 2020

              Yes, including a believer in…climate change.

              But yes, sustainability should be a no brainer. All a question of how…

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  29th September 2020

              I don’t have much time for sustainability nonsense. No one knows what will be sustainable in the future and professing to is just fraudulent. On the other hand it is often easy to see what isn’t sustainable and businesses do that every day.

            • Blazer

               /  29th September 2020

              Al loves Jones..why ?because he discovered property ‘investment/inflation’ was the real deal.Forget about Values,science,work…thats for..bunnies.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  30th September 2020

              No, I don’t give a fig for rich or poor. I like his don’t give a damn for PC thoughts. Sometimes agree, sometimes don’t.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  29th September 2020

            The Greens were a successor only on the environmental side and slid way Left on economics. I didn’t consider them credible for that reason.

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            • Kimbo

               /  29th September 2020

              I remember reading a summary of Values after the 1972 election, and they tended to draw support from young urban liberals who had previously been in National’s “camp” (viable voting choices were limited in those FPP days, and Socred was/became more a protest vote), rather than hard core left wingers.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  29th September 2020

            Actually, I don’t remember Nicky Hager being a candidate but his mother certainly was.

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            • Kimbo

               /  29th September 2020

              My apologies, the younger Hager stood for Values in 1978:

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicky_Hager

              And I see his mum was born in Zanzibar. Any knowledge about whether she knew the young Freddie Mercury/Farouk Bulsara? 🙂

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  29th September 2020

              No. The main thing I recall was she was a strong advocate for teaching better nutrition and cooking in schools.

    • Duker

       /  29th September 2020

      Who did she ‘woke up’ with ?

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  4. Corky

     /  29th September 2020

    I turned on the TV sports news to watch highlights from the Adesanya fight. I was greeted with a preamble in pidgin English from Andrew Saville. I turned off.

    The Brazilian dude thought his muscles and brawn would teach Adesanya some respect. He was wrong.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2020/09/ufc-253-and-still-israel-adesanya-destroys-paulo-costa-to-defend-ufc-middleweight-title.html

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  5. Corky

     /  29th September 2020

    https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/creative_nz_grants

    Quotes:

    ”To research and write the first draft of a novel about male affection in hypermasculine spaces.”
    AWARDED: $13,000

    ”Jared Kane
    Towards a Māori, queer, young adult novel adaptation of Hamlet based on my innovative unproduced screenplay ‘Hamarete’.”
    AWARDED: $21,000

    ”Towards development of a movement technique that guides and empowers the participants in becoming specialists in their own body.”
    AWARDED: $4,530

    🤔🙄😂 🤔🙄😂🤔🙄😂

    I would prefer that these people were all con artists taking the piss. That is rational and even logical. Unfortunately I think all grant applications were dead earnest.

    And people wonder why I don’t vote.

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    • Not voting means that you don’t want to do anything to stop this sort of thing.

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      • Duker

         /  29th September 2020

        Same under national ….English was a secret ballotomane and theNZ Ballet were favoured in the funding.
        Would you prefer the Joyce NZ Techno fund ( or somesuch name) arrangement with Peter Theil where they bought shares in Xero but Thiel walked away with the profits
        “The NZVIF’s investment of $9m was returned in October when Thiel activated the buyout clause to claim all profits from the venture – mainly comprised of a large stake in NZX-listed Xero shares – netting him more than $30m from his initial contribution of only $6.8m.”
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11824593
        Ahhh the people in National who are supposed to business savvy …

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        • Corky

           /  29th September 2020

          While you went a little off track, you are RIGHT. This sort of bs also happened under National. Hence, any vote to stop this nonsense is a waste of time. This is something folk who have been hoodwinked into believing their vote makes a difference, either are wilfully ignorant of because it doesn’t fit their conditioning… or they are just plain ignorant.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  29th September 2020

      STUPID AS,when you dont vote

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    • Duker

       /  29th September 2020

      Didnt one of Alan Gibbs progeny ( Im sure he would use the same word) ‘win’ some creative funding some years back.?
      heres the Creative NZ fundees of 2017 when you know who was running the show
      https://www.creativenz.govt.nz/results-of-our-work/who-got-funded/funding-rounds/arts-grants-4
      Luke Di Somma, Dave Armstrong $29k
      Towards development of an opera about former NZ Prime Minister David Lange.
      Glen Hayward $700
      Towards a full size carving of a toyota corolla.
      Anne Kennedy -$25K
      Towards attending the 2017 Fall Residency of the Iowa International Writers Program.
      Aotearoa Digital Arts Network Trust $6.8k
      Towards developing and presenting interdisciplinary immersive exhibitions, workshops and augmented performances in Dunedin.
      Borderline Arts Ensemble $23k
      Towards a four week re-development workshop before a season of the dance-theatre work Lobsters at Circa Theatre.
      Fa’amoana Luafutu $15k
      Towards a writer’s fee for a new Pacific play based on personal life experiences.
      Fiona Kidman $25k
      Towards writing a novel exploring the life and death of Albert Black, the second-to-last person to be hanged in New Zealand.
      etc etc.

      thats they trouble with people like corky getting their wisdom from Kiwiblog…its all partisan bulls%$&
      ( same again yesterday with his nonsense ‘explaining away’ the Goldsmith budget errors…they must have tried to shop that story to the media but no takers so Farrar is back to his dirty politics with his blog being a conduit for the Nats publications

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  29th September 2020

    Heads up everyone, any racists here,Sean Plunkett from Magic Fox radio is MAORI BASHING…tune in and rage

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    • Gerrit

       /  29th September 2020

      Why do you suffer and continue to listen? Waiting to be offended? Surely national radio is more in tune to the commentary suitable for your ears.

      Suffer no more, make the switch!

      Mind you, suggested this when you complained about Peter Williams and his right wing views being unacceptable to your ears.

      Well suffer in righteous (or lefteous) indignation if you cannot make the switch.

      The solution, which lies just a twirl of a knob or a push on a button away, if ignored must be a sure indication you are officially woke when continuing to be offended.

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      • Duker

         /  29th September 2020

        I see on ‘promoted’ News stories on Stuff ( not NZME) that the otherwise healthy Williams now has these snake oil medications he takes which make him ‘feel better’
        Its been years since I listened to Radio live afternoons ( my job took me out and about) but didnt they used to have a lot ‘Russian brides’ type of ads.
        Thats the real reason this pimple on the buttocks of the airwaves ( do they have an ointment for that) is the advertising to a certain grumpy old men demographic.

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      • Corky

         /  29th September 2020

        ”I see on ‘promoted’ News stories on Stuff ( not NZME) that the otherwise healthy Williams now has these snake oil medications he takes which make him ‘feel better’”

        You walk around the Mount then up it. You would beg for supplements. Of course you wouldn’t be able to afford them. So nothing lost except a low Vitamin D level. Lack of essential minerals and stem cell stimulators critical to oldies, but in decline.

        Snake Oil…Lol!!

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  29th September 2020

    An important question, I’m voting Labour,and for Chris O’Connor but i own my own home,two vehicles have,heaps of moolah and shares,BUT IM A COMMUNIST,a stinking COMMUNIST according to all the righty blogs but im confused,AM I A SOVIET ERA COMMUNIST or am i a CHINESE COMMUNIST, the right is getting more feral as desperation settles in

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  29th September 2020

      Dunno, Lurch. Which language has the best swear words? I think you’d be happiest in that.

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      • Duker

         /  29th September 2020

        Those workers pubs at the Mount that Corky likes would be fine , probably farmers who retired loaded drink there now.

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        • Corky

           /  29th September 2020

          ”Those workers pubs at the Mount that Corky likes would be fine.”

          Those pubs are long gone. Us baby boomers refer to that time period as the ”Old Mount”. Those were magical times before the yuppies, Aucklanders and new rich with no class destroyed the place. Very sad for people like me.

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  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  29th September 2020

    Judith criticised for being too nice. Promises to reform:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12368855

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  29th September 2020

      Better late than never. If she’d started off like this National would be in better shape.

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      • Duker

         /  29th September 2020

        Shes been playing down Mrs nasty side for many years, because she knew it doesnt work except for ‘her crowd’, and they are already on board.
        The 3 crushed cars didnt work, the on the way to the Airport pre arranged meeting didnt work, the Serious Fraud chief undermining didnt work.
        remember when she last made ‘tough’ after the caucus had reached the bottom of the barrel and made her leader.
        ‘We’re Going to Crush the other lot’…. was/is the biggest fail in NZ politics

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  29th September 2020

          Keep on rabbiting. She’s elected leader and you’re not. Oh, and of course the car crushing worked because its object was to stop boy racer excesses which it did, not to crush cars. Which has been explained to you before but like Blazer you are very slow to learn what you don’t want to know.

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          • Duker

             /  29th September 2020

            Reality is different to your beliefs…
            I showed last week …amoung my other triumphs…that residents in certain areas ( with photos) are still plagued by these pests. Im lucky they dont affect me but I regularly see and hear on a nearby main the boy racer ‘convoys as they head to their preferred venues for their ‘sport’
            The dirty little boy racer secret was the Nats froze the police budget so these ‘nice to have’ prosecutions stopped happening….and Collins stopped being Police minister…I think it was Tolley who took over and was more interested in farm burglaries

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            • Duker

               /  30th September 2020

              from 2014.
              even then
              “However, others in Rotorua are not so sure, saying there are still too many “hoons” on city streets.”
              hahahahaha, the evidence from locals contradicts the police spin

              Locals who live near these boy racer hotspots NOW say different too.
              The other thing to consider is those poy race from 2012-14 have mostly grown out it and now young guys who are 20 yrs old were only 14 at the time and couldnt drive. Do they even know about what happened back in 2014?
              Of course not.

    • Duker

       /  29th September 2020

      Judith criticised for being too nice. Promises to reform:

      Newstalk ZB’s Mike Hosking asks National Party leader Judith Collins ‘whats happened to crusher?’
      Normally Hosking opening line for the underdog he disdains is:
      Why are you losing?

      Much kinder and gentler for Collins from the partisan persuader.

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  9. Duker

     /  29th September 2020

    More of trumps nonsense

    The Donald shows again his child like mind, as Biden is a church going catholic while Trump is without a smidgen of faith ( a bit like him when it comes to paying taxes)

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  29th September 2020

      The child-like mind knows a great lever to pull after he has installed it. Choosing Barrett for Dems to attack was a great way to prise some Catholics away from Biden.

      Must be awful losing to such a child-like mind.

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  10. Corky

     /  29th September 2020

    How stupid are the Greens? What planet are these people on. Too many white middleclass
    people living in a organic bubble.

    They should have gone to South Auckland to see how families rely on cheap Jap imports.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122922549/election-2020-greens-promise-free-public-transport-ban-on-petrol-vehicle-imports-cycle-super-highway-fund

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    • Gerrit

       /  29th September 2020

      What is worse is they (the Greens) want a rail only tunnel under Auckland harbour. How stupid is that when there is no rail infrastructure over on the North Shore! A Tunnel to nowhere?

      How much will it cost. Only saving grace is that the bus infrastructure can be converted to light rail so maybe that is what they will utilise?

      “Although no rail option has been chosen, the initial assessment identified that light rail is likely to be the most flexible and stage-able transport mode. It is a proven technology and could be integrated into a wider network (such as the airport link)”

      https://at.govt.nz/projects-roadworks/north-shore-rapid-transit-network/.

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      • Corky

         /  29th September 2020

        I just hope this makes the undecided voters sit up and take note. And I hope it makes voters who are voting Green for the first time to reconsider. I guess the next poll will tell the story.

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        • Public transport is free for seniors now; and they have discounts on coachlines.

          Free public transport would only be free if the drivers, vehicles and fuel cost nothing.

          Few people would willingly be without a car; I don’t have one and rely on public transport which is, of course, limiting as to where and when. It’s cheap at the moment for some reason (we have recentlyish changed to a new system) but I can’t see people wanting to be carless nowadays.

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        • Blazer

           /  29th September 2020

          Why is Judith such a vile creature?
          ‘ Craig McCullough at Radio New Zealand:

          Queried about Hager’s books The Hollow Men and Dirty Politics, in which Collins features, the National leader did little to hide her contempt.

          “He is a dreadful man and what he wrote about me was disgraceful,” Collins spat out.

          “He still needs to meet his maker.”

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          • Duker

             /  29th September 2020

            It’s only disgraceful to her because it was TRUE….based on the social media transcripts…the true Judith
            “Anyone can check the chapter about Collins in Dirty Politics. It shows a pettiness and meanness, as she sent snippets of gossip and dirt to Cameron Slater and helped him to attack people on his blog — including details of a public servant who was then strongly attacked on Slater’s blog, including receiving death threats. The chapter recounts where she recommended to Slater about some National Party internal politics: “Personally I would be out for total destruction… But then I’ve learned to give is better than to receive.” She called it the “double” rule: “always reward with Double”; and said “If you can’t be loved, then best to be feared.”
            https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2007/S00190/press-advisory-on-judith-collins-and-the-book-dirty-politics.htm

            I wonder what the public servant who received death threats would call disgracefully?
            She had even the gall to falsely claim she was cleared over the claims ‘in the book’
            You ain’t seen nothing yet love…..

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          • duperez

             /  29th September 2020

            My pick is at some stage he met both his makers, his father and mother.

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          • Corky

             /  29th September 2020

            I concur. A weasel of a little man who had no compunction using stolen goods. That makes him a criminal in my opinion.
            Of course he believes he’s absolved because it was for the public good. A typical sly socialist.

            I sure when the Lords Of Karma judge him, the verdict will be swift -GUILTY!

            Then on to the second death.

            Just deserts for a vagabond journalist.

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            • Blazer

               /  29th September 2020

              The truth is a bitter pill for right wing hypocrites to ..swallow…always.

            • Corky

               /  29th September 2020

              What truth? What court case? What anything. Bs and bluster. Pity Hager didn’t look closer to home. He let the biggest political scandal in NZ history pass him by….because he was gutless.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  30th September 2020

            Hager soils his work with selective inuenda implying false allegations without accountability.

            Collins is hoping he will get his comeuppance on judgement day. She won’t be the only one.

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      • Duker

         /  29th September 2020

        No rail on North Shore?
        You forget the North Shore busway was designed to be converted to. Light rail

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  11. lurcher1948

     /  29th September 2020

    Hell ,the suits on breakfast TV think we are happy with the ethnic female hosts,what’s wrong with a caucasian blond,I haven’t worked out what the hell the NEW round faced Asian whatever breeding is,yes I know shes an Asian NZr, but I MISS HALEY HOLT

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  12. Alan Wilkinson

     /  29th September 2020

    Labour Party accidentally believes its own b.s:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12369014

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    • Duker

       /  29th September 2020

      What’s the difference to the Hastings guy who claimed a$500 mill hospital for the city( one of a number of mere promisesaround the country) when it was nothing of the kind and the ASA said it was allowable political pufferery which isn’t subject to things like adding up.

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  13. Duker

     /  29th September 2020

    Trump has $1 bill of loans due in next few years

    Yes …holy cow
    Now I wonder what was that ultra secret Muellar case we never heard anything about and was it a free lending foreign bank who was very relaxed on it’s loan standards

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  14. Blazer

     /  29th September 2020

    enjoy…

    Reply

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