Collins versus Ardern – round 2

The second debate between Jacinda Ardern and Judith Collins will be on Newshub tonight from 7:30 pm to 9:00 pm.

Collins and National seem to have at least stemmed their slide, but are still getting low thirties in public polls at best, and are a long way from challenging Labour.


Ardern is quite different this time, she has brought her A game. And helping her kick off strongly the first questions were on Covid, one of her strengths.

Collins started with a disadvantage, but she didn’t help with her repeated snarky manner. Against Ardern in top gear that just doesn’t come off well.

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22 Comments

  1. Corky

     /  30th September 2020

    Judith is wasting Jacinda at the moment in my opinion. But does that matter? Not according to the audience reaction.

    Special mention:

    Makeup artists. They have knocked 10years off Jacinda’s age.

    Paddy Gower- groan..he’s doing well. Not asking some of the questions I would ask, but he’s doing well compared with the John Campbell crawl.

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    • Duker

       /  30th September 2020

      You would always say that …no matter what.
      Its called ‘fawning’ and you aint no Bambi

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      • Corky

         /  30th September 2020

        Oh, yeah..let me guess..Jacinda won…and me not liking Gower at all is confirmed by my biased comments about him..not.

        You are becoming this blogs ‘village idiot.’ Hell, even Pete is beating you up everyday. Maybe it’s time for you to move on…back to The Standard or that echo chamber YSB blog.

        Hey..did you hear the comments about coal from Judith?

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    • John J Harrison

       /  30th September 2020

      Corky, you are right.
      As the TV 3 panelists confirm.

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  2. Maggy Wassilieff

     /  30th September 2020

    Paddy is wiping the floor over John Campbell.

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  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  30th September 2020

    Saw a bit of it and it seemed a good debate. Collins came across well and it showed how much she has been at a disadvantage from missing out on as much in depth coverage as Ardern has enjoyed.

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  4. Blazer

     /  30th September 2020

    Beauty and the…Beast.

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    • MaureenW

       /  30th September 2020

      I wouldn’t say that .. physically I thought they both looked good considering their ages/age differences. Collins is a far more confident communicator., Ardern often looks to me like she’s seeking approval. I also found Ardern to be flip/floppy on matters that should be quite simple to respond to.
      Judith comes across as someone who does her own thinking whereas Ardern comes across as if someone else does hers.

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  5. Fight4nz

     /  30th September 2020

    As Corky pointed out audience response was clearly in favour of Jacinda. Supported Judith at a couple of points but several awkward moments with her lack of self control.
    Not sure how it was called for Judith by the panelists, that’s right leaning msm for you.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  30th September 2020

      Apart from the audience what was said that made you think the panellists called it wrongly? FWIW I watched with a Jacinda fan who came away with a new perspective and respect for Collins. Her comment was the two of them have complementary strengths and would make a good team.

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      • whalerider3000

         /  30th September 2020

        The difficulty for anyone working with Collins in their team is that those who know her best dont like her, and dont trust her.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  1st October 2020

          Yet they elected her leader?

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          • Corky

             /  1st October 2020

            Facts. Very hard to argue with.

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            • Duker

               /  1st October 2020

              There was NO ONE left to choose from. She was literally the bottom of the barrel choice…. She never had more than a few votes before, and certainly that wasnt the Miss Congeniality vote.
              Shes abrasive, disloyal to previous leaders- even fell out with Key because of her duplicitous actions. She had the reputation of being the biggest leaker in the last 3 years –

            • Corky

               /  1st October 2020

              So YOU say. That does not inspire confidence. But, even if you are RIGHT, the fact is she’s leader. If she was that hated, why didn’t they choose a newbie as leader.? Remember this:

              ”Anyone But Collins.”

              I think I have put your korero to rest.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  1st October 2020

              On cue, Duker ad hominems.

              From my perspective Bridges and Muller took Nats to the bottom of the barrel and were inexplicable choices. Perhaps they were deemed trustworthy but that isn’t the only quality needed for leadership.

            • Duker

               /  1st October 2020

              That was the comments from the caucus who voted for her….the sinking ship needed a captain, any captain, didnt mean they wanted one they could trust or respect

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  1st October 2020

              Don’t be silly, Duker. When the ship is sinking it concentrates minds wonderfully. That’s when they choose the right captain after fluffing around with the wrong ones when they thought it didn’t matter.

            • Fight4nz

               /  1st October 2020

              Who’s being silly? Denying Collins is last cab off the rank because ABC was in full force is flying in the face of widespread public knowledge.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  1st October 2020

              ABC turned out to be a disaster that some evidently learnt from but not you.

  6. Blazer

     /  1st October 2020

    Collins is a good choice for Nats leader-she reeks of…insincerity.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  1st October 2020

      I don’t get that impression. Mine is that she does not suffer fools which always makes a ready supply of enemies including here.

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