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  1. lurcher1948

     /  30th September 2020

    Ms Collins is looking very old and tired this morning,at 61 yo maybe the job is to hard for her.

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    • Ardern looks quite tired at times as well. Politics, especially at election time, is hard on anyone, especially leaders.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  30th September 2020

        Yes but PM Ardern also has the care of NZ to carry ,other than trying to win I think theres no real pressure being placed on Ms Collins other than the specter of Mr Luxon looming behind her

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      • Corky

         /  30th September 2020

        Ardern’s face literally starts drooping when she’s tired. We all saw what being PM did for John Key’s looks. Add hormonal fluctuations to the mix, and both women have my respect as troopers on the election trail.

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        • Duker

           /  30th September 2020

          Does Collins know that ‘ giving back double’ ages you so much…..is it Botox that’s holding back time for her…the forehead is soooooo smooth

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  2. David

     /  30th September 2020

    Looking forward to this afternoons Trump/Biden debate. The bar is set very low for Biden which is a strategic mistake from the Republicans but probably hard to not end up there given the terrible performance so far.
    I predict Biden will have a good first 45 minutes then whatever he is taking will wear off and the 2nd half will be pretty ugly for him. Trump will get under his skin which is notoriously thin and he will get rattled and probably challenge Trump to do push ups or shout dog face pony soldier or refer to a quatermaster in a womens department store or the 180 million that he thinks have died from Covid or any other equally incoherent statements he has made.
    Biden is not even close to match fit with him not even barely campaigning and facing no tough questions in months. Interestingly Harris is being hidden as well and she isnt taking any questions from the press either.
    Oddest Dem strategy ever but they are just hoping the media, the social media companies and Trump will win the election for them. Hard to believe that Biden/Harris was the best they could come up with.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  30th September 2020

      Mr Trump was on breakfast TV and was looking particularly orange,I see he has spent $10000,on his hair,how much does he spend on that orange crap he slaps on his face,and has it got any long term health issues

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    • Corky

       /  30th September 2020

      Yes, I agree. I don’t know how many debates the presidential canadiates will have… all I know is if President Trumpy wins this one decisively he has a good chancing of SCRAPING in for a second term.

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    • Duker

       /  30th September 2020

      You poor tragic thing…nothing better to for the afternoon…get all your insights from Fox News and manic US blogs and ruminate over it all…sad
      You forgot the elephant in the room …tax returns

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      • David

         /  30th September 2020

        Speaking of which how convenient that the Biden campaign had merch ready to go the same day the article dropped including the 750 buck reference. No collusion there from the paper of record, some may say it kinda undermined the article entirely.

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        • Duker

           /  30th September 2020

          Thats what clothing firms do , have quick fire t shirts and sweatshirts ready to go with the meme of the moment amoung many to chose from.
          “Some other notable pieces from the campaign include a T-shirt with aviator glasses — Biden’s go-to eyewear — printed across the front, Biden/Harris navy sweatpants (also available in slate gray), and a “We Make The Difference” brown crewneck sweatshirt designed by Aurora James for the campaign’s special “Believe In Better” collection..

          Remember here when Nek minite took off.

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      • David

         /  30th September 2020

        And the Bidens structured their income from.speaking fees through a corporation to avoid the payroll tax according to the WSJ. Ironically he avoided paying into obamacare

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        • Duker

           /  30th September 2020

          If you have health insurance you stick to that , which has to be paid for .
          Obamacare isnt a health fund… there are private firms with ‘minimum standards’ to chose from.
          you are again so confused how how simple things in US work

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    • Corky

       /  30th September 2020

      You called it about RIGHT, Dave.

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    • David

       /  30th September 2020

      Thats quite sad, not sure that someone’s mental health issues is appropriate as media click bait just because folk don’t like his boss.

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      • I thought it was more an example of US style policing. he seemed to be no threat but he was dropped and handcuffed.

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        • David

           /  30th September 2020

          Shocking isn’t it. If you have a country full of heavily armed citizenry then the inevitable outcome is coppers behaving like that.

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          • Audio on the clip said there was a claim he had up to 10 firearms in his house.

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          • Corky

             /  30th September 2020

            In fact it’s how our cops should act. I have lost count of the times our police get close to a suspect while questioning them. The suspect then becomes agitated and lashes out. The cops are suddenly pushed into a very dangerous situation.

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            • Duker

               /  30th September 2020

              They use the heavy tactics mostly because a person doesnt ‘comply’ immediately

              Were the police saying to him… ‘hands in the air and lie down on the ground’ and so on.
              It starts too late but I caught a snippet of a cop saying ‘get on the ground man’
              hes not used to ‘little people’ telling him what to do so just stood there. ( just like some people on planes cant be told ,wear a face mask Compliance with police instructions soon followed. End of story

            • Corky

               /  30th September 2020

              What story?

        • NOEL

           /  30th September 2020

          I can understand the tackle where concealed carry is allowed.
          Here police would talk to the suspect, one would peel off for the informants version.
          Then back together for a decision analysis.
          In the US three initally then another three with readied semi automatics.
          Sure is different.

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          • Corky

             /  30th September 2020

            It’s called overkill. It’s an ingrained reaction to experiencing too many close calls…and experiencing the deaths of fellow officers.

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        • If he was armed, where was the weapon ? He’s wearing nothing but shorts.

          I hope that our police never routinely act like this, it would be a sad day for NZ if they did.

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          • Duker

             /  30th September 2020

            Don’t comply and they will throw you to ground as well..some time back a cop stopped a car late morning for random breath test…the old biddy driver just refused to obey any instructions and tried to walk off, she was soon on the grass beside the road….a drunk of course…

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  4. Blazer

     /  30th September 2020

    what a…

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  5. Corky

     /  30th September 2020

    Judith is ready to give Jacinda the ‘hobbies?’

    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/judith-collins-sends-warning-to-jacinda-ardern-ahead-of-leaders-debate/

    While she’s at it, remind Jacinda NZ is now consuming more coal than ever, thanks to the gummint interfering in the Taranaki energy exploration and supply market.

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    • Duker

       /  30th September 2020

      What gas supply was found in the last 3 years but cant be used? The explorers shut up shop after the oil price plunge in 2014-15 and moved their rigs on.
      Coal production for 2019 yr ( 2.6 mill tons) is well down on that for say 2015 ( 3.4 mill tons)

      You getting your ‘figures’ from Hosking again?

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      • Corky

         /  30th September 2020

        What are you on about? More bs and bluster. What has Hoskings to do with this?

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        • Duker

           /  30th September 2020

          You dont give a toot about tons of coal or whatever , its the language of a ventriloquist dummy when you do…… wharfies yes, real estate prices, gangs, the woke brigade , yes. Tons of coal , never.
          By the way where did you get your numbers

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          • Corky

             /  30th September 2020

            ”You don’t give a toot about tons of coal or whatever.”

            That’s true. Until a sustainable substitute to coal is found, I say more the merrier.

            Idiots who can’t work that out are a problem..especially when they are the gummint.

            I’m a fan of coal and its by products – especially some of the fertilisers I use on my garden. Humic acid;Fulvic acid are like steroids to plants. That reminds me, I must use it tomorrow. Full moon is when plants have their maximum nutrient uptake. I may mix it with Willard Water…that’s another coal based product.

            You wouldn’t know the first thing about coal. Have a guess what’s in some of your medication?

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      • Gerrit

         /  30th September 2020

        Whilst coal production in New Zealand fell, coal importation rose by 25% from 2017 to 2018,

        2017 — 464,14 Metric 1000 Tonnes
        to
        2018 — 601.31 Metric 1000 Tonnes.

        So the mining ban lost jobs in New Zealand and exported those to places like Australia and Indonesia.

        https://www.statista.com/statistics/1084011/new-zealand-coal-import-volume/

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        • Duker

           /  30th September 2020

          What mining ban ? Theres a number of active coal mines…except one that had an explosion … we wont go there and how lax regulations after the drifts were built and work started in the seam itself

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        • Fight4nz

           /  30th September 2020

          You think offshore companies importing instead of supporting our local production is something the government has caused in the coal industry? News for you then, the puritan application of liberal economics in NZ has allowed the decimation of manufacturing for 30+ years little of it based on efficiencies. Genuinely high performing plants in NZ closed to preserve careers and other motives based in self-interest of offshore management. No doubt many a “candy from babies” chuckle had at our naivety and expense.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  30th September 2020

            An example?

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            • Fight4nz

               /  30th September 2020

              Off the top of my head, Akzo Nobel Paints – the NZ arm of which had a major part in developing the technology that went into For example the successful Americas cup Black Boat campaign, and one of the best marine coatings teams globally. Shut down and absorbed into loss making Australian plant. Why? Because Australian management outranked NZ and they didn’t take detached, calculated or clinical decisions in the interest of the company, they kept their jobs.
              Similar stories behind Elizabeth Arden, Toyota, Arnotts, Cadbury, large parts of Nuplex. F&P managed to do it to themselves. Plenty more I can’t think of right now.

            • Gerrit

               /  1st October 2020

              Fight4NZ.

              Wrong. Epiglass was successful at the local retail and small boat market but was bought out by International Marine Paints (owned by Courtoulds Coatings) . Simple reason it was bought out was that Epiglass started a retail house paint brand of paint products that competed with the International Marine Paints owned Taubmans brand.

              I know that for sure for I was in the middle of it all.

              Epiglass had a good range of marine paints but were starting to fall foul of regulators in their Micron25 range of ablative anti fouling boat bottom coatings. Needing capital to further develop their copper based antifouls.

              They were very prone to having their product range market share eroded by smaller independent manufacturers for epoxy resins, additives, paints, etc. With their monopoly being eroded in the marine paint market (hence losing revenue – they were very expensive) Epiglass expanded into house paints. Hence the take over.

              Another market problem they had was only Australasian distribution. The deep sea marine paint market (which includes super yachts) requires world wide distribution (a naval architect will only specify coatings available world wide so as to lock in the coating manufacturers warranty). Hence Epiglass were really caught in not able to supply the growing super yacht market but also locked out of the heavy duty deep sea marine market.

              Epiglass were getting squeezed as all small companies will, by market forces they simply could not afford to compete with. New Zealand companies mostly fail due to lack of capital and an under estimation what it requires to compete as a world brand. .

              Akzo Nobel arrived much later on the scene by buying Courtoulds Coatings.

              The black boats were coated with the Resene owned Altex range of marine (industrial) coatings (derived originally from the American owned Altex Devoe range of marine coatings). The best being the Durapox system as used on the black boats.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  1st October 2020

              Great comment, Gerrit. Sounds like there would be a good book in that story.

              Competing on the world stage is tough from NZ. I used to say it was playing double or quits every year. Unless you are playing with other people’s money everything you earn goes back into investment because you grow or die. No wonder most eventually sell to lock in a return. That should be seen as a success not a failure.

            • Gerrit

               /  1st October 2020

              Yep, I dont think that people in NZL realise just the pure level of resources available to global giants. Here if a coating company employed 2 development chemist they would be considered a leading brand to be able to afford to employ them.

              The big companies employ thousands of development chemists (not just in the coatings industry – look at 3M for example) and their ability to introduce new products and technologies is a thousand times faster and better than a NZL based company.

              So local companies do technology tie ups with the larger companies but as Resene found out with the licensed technology of Altex Devoe products, get to big and profitable, the big companies will take away the license (or franchise) and set up locally themselves.

              Absolutely agree that most people start a local company, not to build a global brand and family dynasty, but to sell and retire on the profit of the sale based on maybe 30 to 40 years of hard work.

              Always tell people to have an exit strategy from their business when they reach 50 years of age. The best being to get to be a successful fly buzzing about a giants head with an innovate product line in a niche market.

              However the biggest problem in NZL is size and distance from suppliers and customers.

              We (NZL) just cant compete to buy raw materials cheaper or on time and in full due to market size (eg.want to buy a some roll of prepreg carbon fibre? Yep sure IF there is any product over after we have supplied 10 containers of prepreg carbon rolls to Boeing).

              Never mind having the capital or capacity to supply customers in full and on time for large orders.

            • Fight4nz

               /  1st October 2020

              Fully agree with much of what you say. Essentially NZ companies have virtually zero chance due to lack of capital to scale up and become the buyer of the 10 containers. Perhaps if the nation’s capital wasn’t largely tied up in property? Government backing worked miracles in China, and Trump is getting his government heavily involved in protection of US companies? Are Cullen Fund, ACC, PGF , CGT targeted on property, and the like the way to go? Otherwise we grow by population alone and I am not a fan.
              On the Black Boat you have me questioning my memory but fairly certain the technical team at Akzo told me it was their work. Could possibly have been Adhesive Tech but I doubt it, but not Altex. By the way the loss of Devoe by Altex was due to Devoe’s ongoing distrust of the firewall with Resene as I heard. Devoe shifted licence to, was it Polymer Developments?

    • Fight4nz

       /  30th September 2020

      Can you explain that claim about coal use? Has gas supply been reduced? I was under the impression only exploration licensing was stopped?

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  6. Corky

     /  30th September 2020

    President Trumpy is going berserk. Moderator..what moderator? Lol

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  30th September 2020

    RIGHTIES, a word from POTUS 45 Trump ….STAND BACK AND STAND BY….being a racist helps….ACT gun owners BE ON CALL

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  8. Duker

     /  30th September 2020

    new version of breaking promises … just calling them ‘not active’, not even in coalition negotiations
    “Seymour told Stuff he still generally supported long-time ACT policies, such as raising the superannuation age but, as these were unlikely to get through a Parliament any time soon, they were not active policies.
    Wheres the media stories tearing apart this charlatan
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300119429/election-2020-act-sheds-two-controversial-policies-as-david-seymours-star-rises
    Stuff reports a puff piece… as usual from Henry Cooke

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  9. Duker

     /  30th September 2020

    More issues with the Collins household
    “A former director of NZG Ltd, David Wong-Tung, the husband of National Party leader Judith Collins has threatened defamation action against Newsroom over our coverage of the mine rehabilitation.”
    Why ‘moonscape’ mine was under-bonded
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/why-the-mikonui-mine-was-under-bonded
    Mr Wong Tung certainly has amazing abilities, export produce , and now gold mining….who knew …. But the connection is that magic name Oravida and Stone Shi, generous benefactor of the national party

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  10. Duker

     /  30th September 2020

    Another cheerleader for ACT and national pops in in the Herald alongside Hooton, Joyce, Prebble and Roger Douglas…. so not being lopsided …no siree
    Its Roger Partridge of the Business Roundtable/NZI , who is standing up for workers…who knew
    “Election 2020: Roger Partridge: Why Labour’s industrial relations plans will hurt workers
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12368803

    How on earth can this nonsense pass as opinion, let them buy advertising space…. or is a run it edict from the CEO to the Editor

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