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  1. Duker

     /  1st October 2020

    This came up later in the afternoon yesterday but needs more attention
    new version of breaking promises … just calling them ‘not active’, not even in coalition negotiations
    “Seymour told Stuff he still generally supported long-time ACT policies, such as raising the superannuation age but, as these were unlikely to get through a Parliament any time soon, they were not active policies.
    They have also made ‘not active’ charging student loans interest.
    Wheres the media stories tearing apart this charlatan
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300119429/election-2020-act-sheds-two-controversial-policies-as-david-seymours-star-rises

    This is the party that never revealed its Charter schools policy before the election- they got them in place afterwards. Its probably at Nationals insistence they dont mention them, as why would the Nats agree to something in post election negotiations that a party hadnt campaigned on?
    Does this mean they have hidden promises that only appear after the election once more?

    Now ACT is the party of of ‘not active promises’…. according to the plasticine charlatan Seymour.

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    • David

       /  1st October 2020

      Seems like a perfectly sensible position from a smaller party, maths wise if you campaign on a promise that will cost your potential coalition party more seats than you can deliver why not park it.
      Labour sensibly parked the CGT, it was the smart move as its not fundamental to their existence and I bet there is a list of things they would like to do but are electoral poison at present and have quite happily had Peters to blame. ACT are not a one issue party just like all the others.
      Now if they were campaigning on them then ditched them straight after the vote you would have a point.

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      • Duker

         /  1st October 2020

        Parking it ? Like an old banger that is past its use by date.
        Its called flip flopping when you do it in politics.
        Its one thing to not get wins in your negotiations, but be a door mat even before …crazy talk.
        lets be clear ACT and national dont have a hope in hell when their combined vote is under 40% so why is the plasticine charlatan ditching a whole package of core promises.
        let me guess he thinks he can get a swag of ‘new’ votes by playing labour lite/Key-English-Joyce.
        the CGT couldnt be passed by the parliament…a whole different situation to an opposition party that has a WTF chance of even being in government.
        Hes really about taking soft national votes…… even when the Nats finally have a hard ass right winger like Collins and Goldsmith in charge…too funny.

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        • David

           /  1st October 2020

          How many coffees have you had this morning Duker, whatever the figure halve it for your own sake.

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      • duperez

         /  1st October 2020

        You’re right David with your ‘perfectly sensible position.’ The labelling is the thing. Depending on the viewing position one person’s ‘being pragmatic’ is another’s ‘ditching principles.’

        Not to do with these latest announcements but in the past Seymour has been touted as having principles and because of his unique status I think has been accorded different scrutiny and coverage than others.

        An exciting event to look forward to is when he is in a strong coalition with National and he gets the chance to go ahead with some of his party’s core principles rather than subjugate them. They will get rid of school zoning. In Epsom the fun is going to be fantastic.

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        • I’d call it being realistic; if something’s an obvious non-starter, why keep flogging it ? MPs are there to represent voters, not be dictators.

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  2. David

     /  1st October 2020

    Yesterday presidential debate was an embarrassment, three 70 something year old men in a room yelling at each other.
    It was so bad not even the ultra partisan media would declare an absolute winner…everyone was rightly condemned as utterly appalling. If there is any outcome to this it will be a further dialling down of enthusiasm for Biden across the board and for suburban women it will be the final nail in the coffin for Trump. As for Chris Wallace well he is bloody rubbish and a terrible choice but probably the only acceptable moderator from Fox they would allow especially given his existing animosity towards Trump.

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    • Duker

       /  1st October 2020

      There was only ONE 70 yr old disrupting the debate, ignoring all the ground rules he agreed to.
      You cant see that because you cant accept that Trump is the broken , incompetent, ignorant, corrupt man in the room

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  1st October 2020

        You can’t accept ghat Trump was elected to be a disrupter and is successfully playing that role.

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        • Duker

           /  1st October 2020

          Did he act as a ‘disrupter’ during his debates with Clinton that you say he was ‘elected on’, does he now use the debates to articulate his vision for the next 4 years ?

          None of that , it was all his mouth dribbling nonsense, and you are an bigger fool than Trump for pretending it wasnt.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  1st October 2020

            Didn’t watch it. Enough mouth drivelling frothing coming from the Lefty media to know he did something right again to annoy them.

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            • Fight4nz

               /  2nd October 2020

              If Trump is simply a Lefty irritant amusement how do you explain REPAIR and the Lincoln Project?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  2nd October 2020

              The elite fighting back? Who would have guessed?

    • Jack

       /  1st October 2020

      Suburban women getting put off Trump because of noise and roughness? A bit sexist. Right and safe thinking gentlewomen accept and champion their tough men.

      Trump is only stupid to those who aren’t free in themselves

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      • Gentlewomen ? Not working-class or middle-class women, then, only ‘gentlewomen’ ? What does someone’s class have to do with this ?

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  3. Corky

     /  1st October 2020

    The problem with blind ideology…especially when you don’t have skin in the game. More of this to come if Labour retain the treasury bench.

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/politics/in-taranaki-just-transition-fails-to-materialise

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    • Duker

       /  1st October 2020

      They are still pumping the oil and gas and will do so for decades…a few giant offshore oil rigs havent arrived over the last 5 years because of the oil price collapse. But that did nothing for the local economy, the crew were flyin-flyouts, the rigs were registered in offshore tax havens

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  1st October 2020

    Just saying,the world is laughing at Trump and America…its a proven fact,slapping orange crap on your face doesn’t make you a nice person.

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  5. Blazer

     /  1st October 2020

    ‘Trump paid $130,000 to screw Stormy Daniels and only $750 to screw…America.’

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  1st October 2020

      For “America” read “the Left”. About what it’s worth.

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      • Corky

         /  1st October 2020

        You are too generous, Alan. $500 bucks, not a dime more.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  1st October 2020

          I’m really a softy, Corks. Thought I’d throw in one free lunch to watch them fight over it.

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  6. Corky

     /  1st October 2020

    Calling all Righties: The Golden Boy of politics will join Kerre between 10AM – 11AM. He will take questions; cut through any socialist bs and give you the good oil. It will be interesting to see if Lefty trolls are mobilised.

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    • Blazer

       /  1st October 2020

      Is that the man with 2 LEFT feet?

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      • Corky

         /  1st October 2020

        Give a Lefty enough rope..and they revert to their true nature.

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        • Corky

           /  1st October 2020

          Great interview. Clear concise answers. I will not be surprised if ACT pulls 10% or more in the leadup polls. Texts agree with me. Kerre very impressed.

          The problem is Judith is old Tory. They have a more pragmatic approach to politics, ACT have policies that may cause divisions. Judith won’t want a bar of that if they become the government.

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          • Duker

             /  1st October 2020

            Did any one ask about ‘parked promises’ – that are like grumpy old uncles -and hidden promises- which they are keen on but dont want to scare the voters before election day

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          • Corky

             /  1st October 2020

            Yes, ACT will be looking to cut benefits, but the supported living benefit will not be TOUCHED. But I wouldn’t worry about such trifles. Wait till they are the government then start to worry.

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          • Duker

             /  1st October 2020

            “Great interview. Clear concise answers. I will not be surprised if ACT pulls 10% or more in the leadup polls. Texts agree with me. Kerre very impressed.”

            of course NZME is rooting for National/ACT to win so they will get back to crony capitalism , especially allowing them to take over Stuff and ‘snuff’ out the competition. Im sure Judith would have that on her 100 days action plan..part of the secret promises
            people forget that the nats sell off of large swaths of Housing NZ was only announced after the election 2014 . Then back in 2008 it was a secret plan to sell off Kiwibank but English blurted it out just after the election…he was taped saying so at a big celebration and they had to backtrack – it was too blatant.
            GST increase was another secret promise to others,

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            • Corky

               /  1st October 2020

              More bluster and bs. Do you post to make a point…or do you consider it your duty?

            • Duker

               /  1st October 2020

              Your fawning over Collins is so extreme you need help..Mullers shrink is available in your area.
              Its the 4th one ..flight, fight, freeze… and fawn.

              ‘In a nutshell, “fawning” is the use of people-pleasing to diffuse conflict, feel more secure in relationships, and earn the approval of others. It’s a maladaptive way of creating safety in our connections with others by essentially mirroring the imagined expectations and desires of other people’

            • Corky

               /  1st October 2020

              ”Your fawning over Collins is so extreme you need help.”

              We are talking about David Seymour. Remember?

              ”In a nutshell, “fawning” is the use of people-pleasing to diffuse conflict, feel more secure in relationships, and earn the approval of others. It’s a maladaptive way of creating safety in our connections with others by essentially mirroring the imagined expectations and desires of other people’”

              WTF? …one thing that’s constant with socialists, once election time rolls around they leave the reservation.

    • Duker

       /  1st October 2020

      Ah [deleted] will be live on air to talk about parking his policies, while others are hidden behind the curtain garage door until after the votes are counted. I suppose his new caucus just wants gun laws gone rather than students paying interest on their loans.

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      • Corky

         /  1st October 2020

        Don’t be like Lurchy. Turn your radio dial to off. Seymour won’t be talking to people like you anyway.

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        • Fight4nz

           /  2nd October 2020

          He won’t? The threat of facts scares him that much? He prefers a forum where he can just fling unsubstantiated crap and tired baseless denigration around unchallenged? You know, have a chuckle, give his ego a very much needed shot in the arm, almost like he isn’t a leach sucking a the tit of National’s win at all costs zeal. Good on him 👍

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  7. Jack

     /  1st October 2020

    https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church/news/2020-09/new-zealand-euthanasia-referendum-end-of-life-choice-church.html

    “Making our country less safe for everyone”

    The another excuse to murder bill was put forward by a ‘me’ and gets voted on only by a ‘me’. Unsafe, no good for the common good. Foolishness

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    • NOEL

       /  1st October 2020

      Aw dunno Jack. My reading of the bill suggests the number of people with terminal illness that go through the hoops and last long enough to use the law will be very small.
      Don’t see any cost/benefit analysis though.

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      • Jack

         /  1st October 2020

        Any moral type law which benefits the small number you mention is a dangerous one and by its very nature proves that it’s unnecessary at least.

        If we delve into making laws based on ‘me’ morality at least make good use of resources and make them for the common good

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  1st October 2020

          Your justification for denying other people’s choices?

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          • Jack

             /  1st October 2020

            You comfortable with reckoning that mans’ laws can solve all your dilemmas/heartaches?

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  1st October 2020

              No. I’m not comfortable with legal interference in other people’s lives without strong justification. Seems you are?

            • Jack

               /  1st October 2020

              The legal interference occurring is the bill Alan. The argument at hand is for you to justify it. Already you succumbed to blustering, like a Lefty

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  1st October 2020

              Utter rubbish. The proposed change removes an existing legal sanction and interference.

            • Jack

               /  1st October 2020

              Surprised to learn you think that the legal sanctioning of life and/or death is at all useful.

              When you behave like a Lefty it makes it impossible to debate with you.

              We are not debating a “proposed change”, unless of course you’re a fellow who needs law to run your life

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  1st October 2020

              That makes no sense at all. Every paragraph is complete nonsense. You should think properly about what you are saying.

        • Duker

           /  1st October 2020

          Doctors have always hastened people towards the END of ‘end of life’ Previously the patients just asked for something ‘to help them be comfortable’ …. or similar and a doctor knew the comfort part might only be for hours , not days.

          The irascible King George V was finished off before his god could punish him. His doctor said so.

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          • Jack

             /  1st October 2020

            Makes you wonder if the doctor’s god then punished the doctor for playing god

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            • Duker

               /  1st October 2020

              Like all the Windsors and their predecessor Havoverians , thick as two planks and a bully as well. he was originally ‘the spare not the heir’ but the older brother died young during a pandemic

            • He died of pneumonia, actually, not long before what should have been his wedding, and his fiancee married George V.

              Jack has totally (wilfully ?) misunderstood the End of Life Choice referendum. Choice should be a hint that it’s voluntary only, and suicide is no longer considered to be murder. Any idea that coercion is involved would mean that the assisted suicide won’t happen.

              It seems that Jack has never witnessed unbearable suffering and the total loss of dignity that comes with some illnesses. Or that she doesn’t realise that God is spelt with a capital G when it’s the name of the Jewish and Christian deity; odd for a soi-disant Christian !

            • Jack

               /  1st October 2020

              Whereas I accept Kitty as my fellow Christian, she rejects me.

              Alan, I am thinking properly. The fact that you cannot make sense of my arguments is no reason to harass me.

              This is an important debate. Suppose I shouldn’t be surprised that you are reduced to tackling the man without being capable of playing the ball. What this proves, is that we are not ready for a new law regarding life and death. NZ as a society is not ready. You may feel you are personally. What about the common good?

              For any who see Kitty’s long standing whims on this site – I have learnt that Jesus Christ my God does not take offense by being given a ‘g’ (wasn’t even thinking about god things when I made that joke above anyway.)

              Such a willful Jack is this sinner, free from sin

              Do we have a law which states that suicide is not murder?

            • Jack

               /  1st October 2020

              I won’t ask, because I know the answer – the best way to push through ‘perceived’ harassment is to make your arguments good

              Pete, Kitty has no idea regarding my experiences concerning death and associated suffering, even that which is undignified and too much suffering. Her harassment is stressful – another indication that NZ is not ready for this new law. Her supposings are constantly way off the mark and detract from a very important contest of ideas. Her cruel interjections repeatedly send me away, yet maybe there are Kiwis who appreciate me sticking with freedom of speech.

              I have tried several times to get alongside her here, each time rebuffed with rudeness. I stated a while back I will no longer attempt to ‘be her friend’. But when she repeatedly targets me for false accusations I need to at least occasionally make a noise for the sake of your readership

            • Jack

               /  1st October 2020

              Need to improve how I debate

              “Do we have a law which states that suicide is not murder?”

              Try this – How would it go for Kiwis if after we’ve accepted euthanasia law we then want to make a law stating that suicide is not murder?

              Seems like a crazy notion, but it’s an idea which fits the present emotional broilings. Imagine – scores of grief stricken social media bullies suffering from long term mental illness and their stressed out psychologists submitting an idea that a new law would ease their consciences.

              I knew of a man who felt free enough from law to smother his suffering end of life wife with a pillow, a process within their loving relationship which they had privately agreed upon. It takes guts to be free from law.

              The arguments here to my considered thoughts on euthanasia tend to come from people losing their tempers, and their only issue is the ‘me’ one. How does that bode in the voting booth?

              My example above is nutty, but that’s how this debate goes at this time in history. What about in two hundred years time? If consciences aren’t all about law for the common good now, who will walk back on society’s rudeness when murder gets further accepted as the norm?

          • Suicide was considered to be a form of murder from the days of ancient Greece until the 19th century when it meant that a suicide’s property was forfeit (hence juries tending to give the person the benefit of the doubt and finding the death to be ‘accidental’.Attempted suicide was a crime.

            Of course the assisted dying is a ‘me’ issue. It’s about the person in intolerable situation from their condition. The decision to end that while they still have a modicum of dignity should be theirs to make.

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            • Jack

               /  1st October 2020

              NZ society is moving fast, too fast for naughty Church to keep up. It’s supposed to be the other way around – but with THE Church just a step ahead in Love – no rushing, demanding nor cajoling. Just Love.

              Wasn’t long ago that nurses in hospitals scorned a young person who overdosed. I once had a flatmate emotionally scarred in that manner

            • Your absurd and insulting remarks about me are too ridiculous to be worth dignifying with a detailed response.

              Please don’t patronise me by ‘accepting me as a fellow Christian’; my religious views are none of your business and I have never gone in for simplistic fundamentalism.

            • Jack

               /  1st October 2020

              Me neither. Fundamentalism doesn’t lead where I’m willing to go

              I wonder if Kitty would like to clear up once and for all, since she pursues my posts with a vengeance. Is she my fellow Christian? Or is it all too complicated?

              Cult slides are terribly confusing contraptions

            • For the last time, my religious beliefs are none of your business. How many times do you have to be told this ?

              And how dare you tell me that I am ‘on a cult slide’ ? I assume that this is a clumsy way of saying that I am IN a cult.

              Again; none of your business. Stop this intrusive prying.

              I do not pursue your posts with a vengeance; I don’t bother to read most of them.

            • Griff.

               /  1st October 2020

              Try this – How would it go for Kiwis if after we’ve accepted euthanasia law we then want to make a law stating that suicide is not murder?

              Victimless crime is an oxymoron…
              If you kill your self who are you going to prosecute for the crime?
              The entire point of euthanasia law is it is not murder to terminate your self.
              Just because your religious beliefs says others should surfer intolerable pain and suffering for your imaginary god does not mean the rest of us must agree to do so.

            • Jack

               /  1st October 2020

              Oh dear, Kitty misunderstood. I didn’t say she is on a cult slide. Just leaving things open in love for everyone to decide for themselves about whether this site here is a bit cultish at times

              On the cult slides, people start shouting, throwing tantrums when confusion cloaks their feeble minds.

              No no, I decided a while ago never to address Kitty again.

              And while I give out an Al-type teaching point, for the mouth frothers and their friends, there was a really nice normal message on this thread. I wondered whether a fellow Christian might have finally decided to carry his cross and use his spiritual talent of teaching for the Church (even perhaps might one day give out a normal kind message for me, a Christian.)

              Your cross dear Christians is never anything onerous. It’s a treasure you would not want to live without. Carrying it makes your personality whole.

              Lots of Kiwis think that their cross to bear is some sort of hardship or difficulty. It’s the opposite

              And the cross is foolishness to the world. That’s no reason to censor my contributions

            • Jack seems unaware that suicide is not considered to be murder in law. It was once; anyone attempting it could be prosecuted for committing a crime. I don’t know if it’s true that it carried the death penalty; that could well be an urban myth.

            • Jack

               /  1st October 2020

              Griff, show me where I put forward my views on euthanasia because of my ‘religious beliefs’. I did not.

              My issue with this bill is that as a society we are not ready for it. We are doing this in haste.

              The theme of this thread became rudeness and its rebuttal.

              Rebutting accepted euthanasia law when it doesn’t work out well will be nigh impossible if this thread at this time in history is anything to go by

            • Jack

               /  1st October 2020

              “Jack seems unaware that suicide is not considered to be murder in law.”

              I’m well aware of that.

              Sigh, Kitty is so easy to agree with. You all are

            • Rubbish; what else could you have meant by ‘a cult slide’ but that I was on/in one ? You said it before about me and it was rightly deleted.

              You obviously were addressing me. Referring to me in the 3rd person doesn’t change that. Your intrusive nosiness about my religous views is just that; intrusive. I am not going to tell you, so stop prying.

  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  1st October 2020

    Two stories from yesterday. A friend in a public hospital for 8 days said the doctors were wonderful, the food was awful and so was the behaviour of some Maori patients and their visitors especially towards the medical staff.

    Another rang in tears after a tangi for a sibling where she was pressured for money and then treated like dirt after being one of the few to contribute.

    And a teenager says at her high school most of her friends have been sexually abused. For her birthday weekend camp none of their parents contributed even a present though her mother struggles with health and finance.

    The real problem for many Maori is that too many are just arseholes and their victims are mostly other Maori. Doesn’t seem to feature in the political debate.

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    • Corky

       /  1st October 2020

      I’m often acussed of ‘making shit up.’ Especially regarding things Maori. So it’s good you know of personal experiences that back what I have been saying. Critics may be able to write me off easily..but not so much you.

      As I have already pontificated on this problem I will sum up with something you have written:

      ”The real problem for many Maori is that too many are just arseholes.”

      Correct..and nobody in power is prepared to say that. To be fair, they would honestly have to fear for their life.

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      • duperez

         /  1st October 2020

        And to that I say there ”The real problem for many pakeha is that too many are just arseholes.”

        I am prepared to say that. Whether they’re like because of the environments they’ve lived through, their degrees of basic intelligence, or ignorance, or their particular fill of humanity, they are like that.

        Everyone can up with stories about arseholes. Whether it’s some rich accountant dude in Dunedin ripping his dying-of-cancer mate of millions in some investment fraud of some rural ostensibly ordinary person who acts like scum towards other human beings.

        As far as ‘featuring in the political debate’? Maybe what figures in any debate is the motivation for introducing it there, which might include the redness of the neck. And whether those in that category are like that because of the environments they’ve lived through, their degrees of basic intelligence, or ignorance, or their particular fill of humanity.

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        • Corky

           /  1st October 2020

          I give you a free pass because you are just a ideological simpleton. You think in neurological sound bites.

          Unfortunately we can’t poll hospital staff. If we could you would learn a thing or two about Maori in the health system… mainly why are so many medical staff racist towards them.

          I know why!

          Next time you are in hospital, don’t tell the Maori in the next bed to stop strumming his guitar…or you will receive a verbal barrage you will be a long time recovering from.

          ”Everyone can up with stories about arseholes.”

          I rest my case. Even if the story Alan has told is bs, it does not negate what I have seen with my own eyes.

          Your ignorance tells me you have no experience about what happens on a regular basis at NZ hospitals.

          Oh, one other thing. Don’t complain to the Maori support officer who comes around to make sure Maori are well looked after. He’s only worried about ME…and not you.

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          • duperez

             /  1st October 2020

            I confess I don’t know what ideological simpletons are. I sort of see situations that have arisen and think that they have arisen for some reasons out of some circumstances. I wonder why and how. Sometimes I ponder what could have been done to have seen things panning out differently. I don’t know whether that’s thinking in neurological sound bites.

            Unfortunately there are others who are just simpletons. They rave and rabbit and see things simply as they are in front of them at a superficial, primal, reactionary level.

            Funny thing is you see my perspective as ignorance and blurt your ignorance by telling me I have no experience about what happens on a regular basis at NZ hospitals. Since you haven’t asked I won’t tell you how long I’ve worked in that sphere.

            The rich thing about life is that the horribleness that guitar strummers cause to your life and that of others may be no less melodious to the lives of others than the tunes you harp which affect or infect the planet.

            Ngā mihi

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            • Corky

               /  1st October 2020

              ”Since you haven’t asked I won’t tell you how long I’ve worked in that sphere.”

              And there we have it. Making up shite to fit your argument. If you work in that sphere I know two places you haven’t worked in..A&E and general wards.

              Have guess why they have cameras on the linen cupboard?

              You are trying to make this argument about attitudes, perceptions and racism.

              The fact of the matter is simple…either an incident happened or didn’t. Maori are either a major problem in our medical system or they aren’t.

              I have seen incident after incident . 90% involving Maori. And you expect me to talk about the problems with Pakeha? Geez, no wonder the Left are clueless.

              An example of Lefties like you ignoring reality. Same thing..different issue.

              Jacinda had an inquiry into petrol prices. As much as 33cents per litre savings was given as a POSSIBILITY. Well, motorists have received nothing.

              Now Jacinda is promising an inquiry into food prices. The results will be the same again…nothing.

              It’s the reality thing….it just can’t be spun. I hope this is a lesson learnt.

              https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1912/S00071/neutered-fuel-price-inquiry-is-a-cruel-joke.htm

            • Duker

               /  1st October 2020

              Judith says shell change the law to retrospectively give their wage subsides back if they didn’t need it…..well today she’s changed her tune and will ‘door knock’ them instead…has she never seen fairgo?
              Every itch is getting a scratch of money too…I love her Nortland floating dock …not sure what itch that is…anyway tomorrow will be another town and there’s pork barreling to be done
              That carpark of parked promises will be pretty full soon,….ok shell build a new carpark..or something

            • duperez

               /  1st October 2020

              Maybe Maori and others in the low socio-economic groups who stress you so and are a major problem in our medical system are there because of the brilliant model we’ve operated under and deliberately structured since this place was peopled.

              Argument about attitudes, perceptions and racism? How about people shitting in nests then complaining about the smell? We created a world which sees those ‘at the bottom’ operating differently that the ‘real people.’ It’s universal.

              Beat a dog with a stick from before it is born until it dies it will act the cur. It will bred other feral curs. Telling it to grow up, grow out of it, make better choices and expected that to be some magic elixir is more than slightly ridiculous.

              I quite like it when people tell me where I have and haven’t worked!

              And oh my God – enquiry into petrol prices! Was it Judith Collins when they were in power had the big headlines about and enquiry into petrol prices? 2013-2014? You know, one of thoes ‘all-piss-and-wind, only headlines to show I’m doing something’ exercises? Or was that Bridges or Brownlee?

            • Fight4nz

               /  2nd October 2020

              “The fact of the matter is simple…either an incident happened or didn’t. Maori are either a major problem in our medical system or not”
              I don’t think the argument is about whether Maori arseholes exist. It’s about how to minimise the number that are, and not just repeat the behaviour’s that produced this situation in the first place.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  2nd October 2020

              F4NZ, yes. That is the issue. Our advice to the adults is simply to stay away from arseholes. Don’t let them in the house and don’t go near them. Don’t let them dump their kids on you. Find the good people and stick with them and love and look after each other. Doesn’t always work. Some have been controlled and manipulated by arseholes since infancy and can’t escape. And what can you do for kids?

            • Corky

               /  2nd October 2020

              ”I quite like it when people tell me where I have and haven’t worked! ”

              I’m calling you out. Give us some facts. Start with what’s written on the back of your ID tag.

              Next, tell us about your Treaty of Waitangi training.

              Name your hospital Maori liaison officer.

              Are blessing allowed..or not allowed?

              Give me the two point must before medication is administered.

              And please…no ”this was before my time” stuff.

            • Corky

               /  2nd October 2020

              ”Maybe Maori and others in the low socio-economic groups who stress you so and are a major problem in our medical system are there because of the brilliant model we’ve operated under and deliberately structured since this place was peopled.”

              What’s hard about ringing the hospital to say you can’t keep a specialists appointment?

              It’s an endemic problem at our regions hospitals. Have a guess who are the main culprits? Of course, this is never admitted to.

              Just because many Maori don’t give a stuff about their health shouldn’t mean they have the right to waste hospital time following them up, when better time could be spent on people who do care about their health..and do make an effort.

          • I think that you’d find that there are no linen cupboards as such; not on wards, Linen is kept in a central store and transported to the wards on trolleys.

            Didn’t petrol actually go UP, with a Claytons tax added in the form of an ‘exise’ ?

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            • Duker

               /  1st October 2020

              As least labour tells you before the election, national doesn’t mention it till after the election and a week before Xmas….9c +GST over 3 years.
              Slowly heating the water with the frog in it..makes people think it never happened…..oh plus they only read assorted nonsense right wing blogs to get their candy floss facts

        • Jack

           /  1st October 2020

          As usual I agree with you Dups. But you don’t like me either!

          Reply
          • duperez

             /  1st October 2020

            Make no mistake, it’s not a matter of liking the person. It’s about thinking about the attitudes and wondering where they came from.

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            • Jack

               /  1st October 2020

              Well said. Please may I add – blog sites are great for teaching old and young to stop presuming.
              A lot can be ill presumed about an invisible person’s attitude.

              I’d like someone’s guitar strumming in the hospital bed beside mine, but not if their attitude was intimidating. Most of communication is non verbal

            • I wish that yours was non-verbal.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  1st October 2020

          Unfortunately you lack a sense of proportion, dups. The proportions that tell the story you don’t want to hear.

          Reply
          • duperez

             /  2nd October 2020

            I think I have a sense of the proportion of the problems. I know they are there and recognise the impact and influence they have on most aspects of the way we operate as a country.

            The story is there, has to be told but wailing it out and bitching and blaming might be a short term balm for someone passing through but certainly isn’t going to address what needs to be seen and dealt with. By those with wit and wisdom not those with chips on shoulders and no vision.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  2nd October 2020

              Tosh. Unless the stories are told nothing will be done. The next generation will just continue and expand the needless suffering.

    • Jack

       /  1st October 2020

      OK then Alan. I’ll join that debate, another time. Social issues collide and need untangled. Fun politically, but I commiserate with you regarding the sad things you see.

      Er, you haven’t read my books – otherwise you wouldn’t claim that what you said above is not featured.

      Reply
      • Where did Alan mention your ‘books’ ? He says nothing about them either way, and makes no ‘claims’.

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        • Duker

           /  1st October 2020

          Time to light the burning bush under that religious pest Jack(ie)…how did we get rid of her last time?

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          • Corky

             /  1st October 2020

            We held an exorcism using Catholic Rites. Things got so bad Lurchy’s scooter started doing wheelies…and he lives 250 kms away.

            Reply
          • Jack

             /  1st October 2020

            Not religious, and not afraid of heat.
            Wonder if Pete cares. Last time the harassers won. Call in Maureen.
            Bit of a cult really

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  9. Jack

     /  1st October 2020

    Turbulent flights of fancy are exhausting all right. I’m done

    Please Kalvinist Kimbo. You take the last word. Calvinist Christians are best at that. That’s why I had to get out. They hated me arguing (before I’d even begun), to the point of hating me

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  10. Missy

     /  2nd October 2020

    Hi All, Yes it is yet another (very rare) post from the UK.

    This week we have moved on from COVID (sort of) and have other stories. For those interested I will summarise most of what has been happening in the UK over the last few months in a series of posts for all.

    First, one of the main stories early this week was the murder of Sgt Matiu Ratana at Croydon Police station. This has shocked everyone on a number of levels, mostly though because it happened in what should be a (relatively) safe area for police.

    There has been a lot of comment on this, and whilst the Met Police have not officially commented until the investigation and internal inquiry have been completed, many former police have been happy to comment publicly. One former police officer said that full searches are unable to be undertaken in public (ie: outside police stations), so when he was arrested he would have been patted down, but not searched, and as it appears the weapon was hidden in an intimate area they would not have found it at arrest.

    The suspect was handcuffed, some media are suggesting behind the back but my understanding is that the handcuff in the front now as it is less stressful for the person being handcuffed (I could be wrong, I heard that third hand).

    The suspect had just had his temperature taken for COVID check, and was about to be searched with a metal detector to check for weapons when he pulled the gun, he shot Sgt Ratana five times before shooting himself. The suspect has been named, and was apparently ‘good with weapons’ as well as being on the terrorist watch list.

    His death, on first look and information provided so far, appears to have been due to a failure in police procedure.

    The High Commissioner for NZ laid a wreath today in his memory, and a condolence book has been opened.

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  11. Missy

     /  2nd October 2020

    As with most of the world COVID has been the main story and the way the Government has dealt with it. This week however came stories that are starting to show the non-economic impact of the Government’s lockdown and concentration on COVID.

    It is now estimated that there will be at least 75,000 extra (preventable) deaths from cancer due to the NHS stopping all ‘non-essential’ treatments (what that meant in the early part of the year was non-COVID treatment), and therefore removing not only treatment but diagnosis for cancers. At least 1 million women have missed breast cancer screening, previous statistics suggest this will translate into 8,000 positive tests for Breast Cancer, meaning these women have missed out on early diagnosis and early treatment, increasing their chances of dying, if there are similar numbers for other cancers then it truly is scary.

    On top of that on two separate occasions we have had thousands of people removed from the official death figure from COVID, and it is expected that only about .01% of the COVID deaths are not from those with pre-existing conditions, many of whom possibly would have died this year anyway.

    We are staring down the barrel of a possible further lockdown for winter, though the politicians keep saying they don’t want that, however, it is hard to believe them as it is no different to what was being said in March just before the lockdown.

    The threat of new lockdown is in place despite very few cases and hospital admissions, deaths from COVID are currently about 5 times lower than flu deaths – which are about average.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  2nd October 2020

      Good to see you back, Missy. Does the UK feel as bad as it seems or are the Brits just having a good free speech whinge?

      Reply

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