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  1. Gerrit

     /  3rd October 2020

    Is there a groundswell of change away from Ardern and towards Collins? In my very limited bubble there certainly is but in the wider NZL electorate?

    First Chris Trotter in his Bowalley blog and now Stuff as well raise the potential of a National victory.

    What has changed? Arderns latest copy cat “me too” to scrap the RMA? Is that another shot across the bow of the Greens?

    Arderns lacklustre election campaign ?

    The Australian announced trans tasman flight bubble has caught her on the hop made her look uinprepared?

    Her harsh, terse and matronly reply when asked if Auckland was moving to Level1?

    This election still has legs.

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    • Corky

       /  3rd October 2020

      Damn straight. You can sense a ever so slight change to the right. Jacinda’s terse response
      to Kiwis thinking of going to Australia via the flight bubble will have turned some voters off.
      Telling them with what looked like a certain authortarian glee that they will have to isolate when they returned points to a PM who may underneath the charm, has begun to believe her
      own warped bs that NZ is leading the world in Covid recovery.

      The chickens are still on their way home to roost.

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    • artcroft

       /  3rd October 2020

      Chris Trotter? Not many people possess less insight into kiwi politics than Chris.

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      • Corky

         /  3rd October 2020

        That’s a little harsh, Arty. Just because Trotter has pink gun stocks on his irons doesn’t mean he hasn’t a valid point.

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        • Duker

           /  3rd October 2020

          I agree with Arty… hes so far out of date its a joke.
          Kitty probably remembers him when he would get paid to attend Act soirees and talk his brand of old left views…over some nice wines… and everyone look down their nose at him.

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            • Duker

               /  3rd October 2020

              That Judge woman used to invite him…. thats when I guessed Trotter was ‘out of touch’, little did I know he would shift over to Slater

            • Corky

               /  3rd October 2020

              What are you on about now? If Trotter turned up it was for the free wine and kai. Lefties love living off others. Just look at Lurchy using my tax dollars to keep himself warm. ACT should put a stop to that scam.

              As long as the wine and finger food flowed, Trotter wouldn’t have given a stuff what the audience thought.

              Trotter got to scoff..ACTies got to snigger. That’s democracy in action.

            • Which ‘Judge woman’ ?

            • Blazer

               /  3rd October 2020

              Judge Judy of course..I sawed her on the T.V.

    • I suspect Trotter is doing one of his scare the voters things there to try to rally left wing voters.

      You Know What? Collins Could Win This.

      Collins could win, but it still looks very unlikely. She is relying on National getting a surge in support (significantly more than recent trends), ACT support to stay up, a significant drop in Labour support, and for both NZ First and Greens to miss the threshold.

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      • Gerrit

         /  3rd October 2020

        The left vote is cock sure they have this election in the bag and as such they don’t need to scared into voting for Ardern. To them the Labour Greens and Maori party will govern.

        I think, reading between the lines from Farrar’s comment in the stuff article, that the gap has closed considerably (six point difference?).

        If true (and my personal gut feel that it has but than my circle is not that representative of the electorate) we could end up with either a hung parliament of Labour with a slim majority.

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        • “In an interview with Stuff’s election podcast, Tick. Tick, Farrar said with the latest 1 News-Colmar Brunton poll showing National plus ACT about six percentage points behind Labour…”
          https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122945572/tick-tick-podcast-how-national-could-snatch-an-unlikely-election-victory

          Labour 47%, National 33%, ACT 8%, so that’s 47 versus 41.

          But to close it up National plus Act would have to go up a few percent. If National goes up Act is more likely to go down – Act are doing well because National are doing poorly.

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          • Gerrit

             /  3rd October 2020

            I guess it depends where the NZ First vote went and where it will go in the voting booth.

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            • If NZF support comes back a bit that could impact on National’s chances of getting more votes too.

            • Gerrit

               /  3rd October 2020

              No to mention the 11% don’t knows/wont tell. Combination NZ First lost voted and the undecided is around 15%. WHere they will go no one knows.

            • Duker

               /  3rd October 2020

              Dont knows ARE accounted for in poll results
              Methods vary but the science of polling says they will split much like those who do know.

          • Duker

             /  3rd October 2020

            Yes Farrar is just talking up National, as hes paid to do in his polling company DPF Group ( Curia is the old pre dirty politics name and is now inactive)
            They are afraid the nats vote will collapse as supporters see no point in going to vote
            Labour and Greens is miles ahead
            Some here dont seem to understand how the ‘wasted’ vote under 5% works….hint it will go mostly to Labour when seats are allocated
            If the wasted vote came to around 10% that would mean it was 12 seats and 5-6 of those would go to labour and 47% of vote becomes 51% of the seats just like that.

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    • Duker

       /  3rd October 2020

      “Arderns latest copy cat “me too” to scrap the RMA?
      That was being mentioned in labour long before Collins was leader
      From 2019
      https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/resource-management-reform-options-released

      They had a review a while back remember, which recommended that very thing – in reality its just a splitting into a true resource management law and a separate ‘urban planning’ law
      Panel suggests repeal and replace for Resource Management Act
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12352000

      They have clearly been holding stuff up their sleeve for the election campaign itself , like the Canterbury DHB bailout money

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      • Corky

         /  3rd October 2020

        The fact of the matter is the Greens will hate this. The thought of people being able to do what they want with their property is an abomination to their communist sensibilities.

        So, coalition talks will be interesting. That’s if Labour get back into power. As Gerrit points out, nothing is certain at this stage

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        • Duker

           /  3rd October 2020

          Gerrikt is wrong like he always is …but in this case its the first stage of grief …denial.

          Thats why we have polls to show that its pretty much in the bag , like it did in John Keys days.
          Who talked about Labour winning( with its allies) when the Nats were are 47% …no one
          Its just pre game motivation talk for the ‘blue squad’ activists and more importantly late DONORS

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        • Duker

           /  3rd October 2020

          Thats the Corky we know….given up talking tons of coal and woke stuff. Property rights and arrests are his guiding lights

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        • Corky

           /  3rd October 2020

          Yep, elections 101… when the pressure comes on it’s not hard to tell who can’t handle it. Expect more of this as light bulbs turn on in dim brains, illuminating the realisation Lefty’s will have to work for a win.😏😮

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    • Fight4nz

       /  3rd October 2020

      You haven’t worked out yet that a vote for Labour reduces Green power in the next government, a vote for National or ACT increases it? That’s your real choice.

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  2. Blazer

     /  3rd October 2020

    Election will be close imo.

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  3. Blazer

     /  3rd October 2020

    who said…’crime doesn’t ..pay’…!..still the best game in town,but wear a…suit.
    https://news.abs-cbn.com/business/09/30/20/jpmorgan-chase-fined-920-million-by-us-over-market-manipulation

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    • If it paid, they wouldn’t be paying a $920,000,000 fine.

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      • Jack

         /  3rd October 2020

        Been undecided like never before. Thinking atm to vote NZ First for party and National for candidate. Not because I like the National cult, but free to take a ride on any cult slide of my choosing at any time. Perhaps I could encourage Judith to carry her cross (it can only be done with the attitude – ‘I’m using my spiritual talents for Church, the body of Christ’) and maybe to listen to Winston’s wisdom.

        I’d like to see us go back to fpp. Christians need to disperse themselves within the major parties.

        Go Judith go. Keep dealing to the Old Boys Club please

        Act lost my vote. A combination of the rudeness and inability to contest the ball by Act fanclub here, Presbyterian nonsense and David and Brooke not being up to the task (sex, always comes down to sex) They’ve both failed on that score miserably and won’t change without getting down to some hard earned honesty. Can’t see that happening while they push euthanasia in the odd ways they have

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      • Blazer

         /  3rd October 2020

        Chump change. .they made 20times that. Rob a bank. ..get a million. .caught. .pay 50k fine.

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  4. Corky

     /  3rd October 2020

    Under a Libertarian government segregated areas would be allowed by covenant. I think that would be a great idea given many races view home ownership and lifestyles differently.
    The amount of ethnic problems caused by throwing races together is a problem all over the world.

    Sometimes solutions are so simple they’re banned because liberals think it’s wrong. We should have a referendum on this.

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    • Jack

       /  3rd October 2020

      Hard to believe it took so long to expose this nastiness. I don’t share your sentiments Corky, especially not for NZ.

      Solutions are simple, but it’s too simplistic to blame liberals.

      Today I witnessed a lady motorist honking for at least ten seconds (that’s a long time in a quiet suburban street) after several bouts of shorter honks. She wanted the man parking his car to move up one where there was a space. She didn’t feel confident of her parallel parking skills, and it is difficult in that spot which is close to a roundabout and opposite a supermarket entrance.

      Really, the man could have obliged (he told me afterwards that it was easier for him to park in that manner for when he was vacating the park. He must’ve known a lot of us leave that spot empty if it means having to parallel park. He had an easy car, she had an SUV.)

      He got out to growl at the lady who shrieked back at him. They were both threatening to tell on each other.

      What a scene, just because both people were right. Are Kiwis more uptight this voting season?

      Races don’t get ‘thrown together’ and everyone’s culture matters. How do we maintain and improve our civility?

      I’ve noticed something. Has Kitty given up shrieking at you? There seems to be less of it, or none. You must be doing something right Corks. What’s your secret?

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      • Grow up, I don’t shriek at people. If you have nothing better to do than stalk, insult and troll me, I feel sorry for you. Have you nothing better to do with your time than that ? It’s most unedifying for someone who claims to be a Christian.

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        • Jack

           /  3rd October 2020

          When I accused Kitty of trolling me Pete deleted it and said it was a form of abuse. From memory I didn’t call her a troll, just pointed out that she trolls me.
          Not asking Pete to delete Kitty’s shrieks. Pleased to do as mod advised – make your arguments good.
          Kimbo called me a troll once. I guess that on a secular site that would constitute a need for one Christian to apologise to another, especially considering that Pete said it’s a form of abuse.
          Christians abusing one another? Kitty’s right, it’s unedifying. Sorry God.
          Kitty stalks, insults and trolls me every time I’m here. Have also seen her do it when I’m seemingly absent. I’m giving my big Al teaching points on this issue.
          I plan to keep giving Kitty cheek until she quits harassing me or self implodes. Will Pete ban cheekiness? He never deletes Alan’s loony tunes.

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          • Jack

             /  3rd October 2020

            Mod lets Maureen’s witchy swipes through too.
            I guess I’m safe to keep being myself.
            When life gives you lemons — Blazer makes me laugh

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  5. Fight4nz

     /  3rd October 2020

    Golden point extra time in provincial rugby round robin. Wtf?
    When did we get so childish we can’t handle a draw?

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