Trump has learned nothing useful from his Covid experience

Donald Trump claimed he had learned from experiencing being hospitalised with the Covid virus, but he doesn’t seem to have learned anything useful. To the contrary. He has set bad examples for dealing with Covid infections.

The normal practice for people with Covid is to isolate or quarantine them to avoid spreading the virus, which has proven to be very contagious. But Trump doesn’t do normal practice.

When leaving hospital Trump touched railings as he descended steps. I presume someone had to follow him disinfecting everything.

When Trump returned to the White House he symbolically removed his mask before going inside. There have already been a number of cases amongst White House staff, but Trump doesn’t seem to care about anyone else, it is all about his own ego.

Trump portrayed his dealing with Covid as some sort of sign of great leadership, as has his campaign, and also media fans – see Sean Hannity Compares Trump’s COVID Response to FDR and Churchill

Hannity asked if people wanted “a leader who’s willing to fight every minute of every day, for the country” or a “shadow of a man who hides in his basement bunker.”

Talking about the nation being “land of the free and home of the brave,” he went on to share famous words from FDR and Churchill.

Trump suggested he was an “invincible hero”:

And Trump continues to seriously downplay the seriousness of Covid, to the extent that Twitter slapped a warning on a tweet:

Presidents don’t usually get hospitalised and treated with steroids and experimental drugs for the flu.

Hundreds of Americans are still dying a die from Covid, with the total death toll 215,000. Many survivors have severe complications.

And Trump seems to be wrong about flu deaths: Trump compares COVID-19 to flu in tweet, Twitter raises red flag

On Monday, Trump told Americans “to get out there” and not fear COVID-19 as he returned to the White House after a three-night hospital stay to be treated for the new coronavirus and removed his white surgical mask to pose for pictures.

During the 2019-2020 influenza season, the flu was associated with 22,000 deaths, according to U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates. (bit.ly/30ByG1m)

So Trump seems to be as misleading as ever – and continues to dangerously set a bad example.

He is also taking a huge campaign risk. His treatment may have got him through his Covid infection remarkably fast, but there’s a real possibility he isn’t over it yet and he could have further problems.

Reuters: Trump steroid treatment for COVID-19 raises potential side effect risk

U.S. President Donald Trump is being treated for COVID-19 with a steroid that is recommended for severe cases of the illness and that comes with risks of serious side effects, including mood swings, aggression and confusion.

As a number of people have pointed out, that sounds like Trump before taking steroids.

The Infectious Disease Society of America says dexamethasone is beneficial to people with critical or severe COVID-19 who require extra oxygen. But studies show the drug may be harmful in people with milder COVID-19 because it can suppress their natural immune response.

In addition, side effects can include physical problems such as blurred vision and irregular heartbeat, as well as personality changes and difficulty thinking, according to the International Myeloma Foundation.

That’s just possible side effects of one drug Trump is still taking intravenously at the White House.

If it turns out that Trump is not free of Covid and it causes further problems his bravado will look like stupidity. And potentially dangerous.

FiveThirtyEight: Trump Is Giving Dangerous Advice. Being Afraid Of COVID-19 Has Helped Us Control COVID-19.

…the best evidence we have suggests that these simple actions work. A June study published in Nature estimated as many as 60 million COVID-19 infections were avoided thanks to social distancing and lockdown efforts. And disease modelling projects that tens of thousands of lives could be spared with widespread adoption of social distancing and mask-wearing.

The president’s message not to be afraid of the virus is dangerous if it encourages Americans to reject the things they do because they’re afraid of the virus. And that has implications for all of us. Think of the grocery store worker who has to stock shelves while dozens of strangers brush past them, or the nurse who has to come in close proximity with patients daily, many of whom may have active COVID-19 infections. Without the fear of what this disease can do to you, there’s little motivation to protect them.

It’s easier to feel secure when you’re the president of the United States, of course. But that’s not a reality the rest of us live day to day. In our reality, fear is rational, and it’s what pushes us to act. By telling us there’s nothing to fear, Trump is both ignoring the experience of millions of Americans, and giving further fuel to those whose response to fear is denial. Fear on its own isn’t useful. But neither is a dismissal of reality.

New York Times: ‘Don’t Be Afraid of Covid,’ Trump Says, Undermining Public Health Messages

Public health experts had hoped that President Trump, chastened by his own infection with the coronavirus and the cases that have erupted among his staff, would act decisively to persuade his supporters that wearing masks and social distancing were essential to protecting themselves and their loved ones.

“Don’t be afraid of Covid,” he wrote. “Don’t let it dominate your life.”

Scientists, ethicists and doctors were outraged by the president’s comments about a disease that has killed nearly 210,000 people in the United States.

“I am struggling for words — this is crazy,” said Harald Schmidt, assistant professor of medical ethics and health policy at the University of Pennsylvania. “It is just utterly irresponsible.”

Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University Medical School, called the president’s message “dangerous” because it encouraged his followers to ignore basic recommendations to keep themselves safe.

“It will lead to more casual behavior, which will lead to more transmission of the virus, which will lead to more illness, and more illness will lead to more deaths,” Dr. Schaffner said.

This is fairly obvious stuff.

It is also obvious that trump doesn’t really care about the health of Americans. All he cares about is his own ego, being seen as a hero, and winning the election.

Covid would have been much worse if drastic action wasn’t taken to limit the spread of the virus. If could still be much worse if too many people follow Trumps example and advice.

Trump speaks about coronavirus amid outbreak: cartoons
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57 Comments

  1. NOEL

     /  7th October 2020

    For a man who was able to defer military service five times ,not serve at all, and have all those expensive treatment options provided by a military hospital must be grating for some.

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  7th October 2020

      On top of the military side, Trump is getting Rolls Royce medical treatment while paying little or no Federal tax over the years. All while he tries to gut Obamacare for everybody else.

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      • Duker

         /  7th October 2020

        This being a clear cut case will catch up with him as well. People on TV the courts have found can NEVER claim hair expenses for personal tax deductions.

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        • I find it hard to believe that anyone would pay $70,000 for THAT !!!

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          • I’d be asking for a refund.

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            • Duker

               /  7th October 2020

              It averaged out at $1000 per episode of the Apprentice…. It should have been reimbursed by the TV company , but not done as a personal expense as his hair was the same on or off screen. The people on the show said he would arrive fully ‘done’

            • Imagine PAYING to look like THAT.

              I’ll say he was ‘done’.

  2. Corky

     /  7th October 2020

    There’s only one thing left for Trumpy to do…and that’s win the election. That will be a hard ask. Should he pull it off, he will go down as the greatest President in living memory. A man who acted like Homer Simpson, but like Homer, usually came out on top despite himself.

    The Dems will never recover from another Trump win. And I would have grave concerns for the stability of some posters. They seem to wake up in the morning to hate Trump.

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  7th October 2020

      Alternatively the Republican Party could be on the verge of imploding.

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      • Corky

         /  7th October 2020

        Like I said, it will be a hard ask. If Joe wins, that’s OK by me. It just means a new type of fun. Just because Trumpy will have left the White House, doesn’t mean his influence over American politics and the nation will have diminished.

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  7th October 2020

          For the US’s sake whoever wins needs to do so convincingly, a narrow Biden electoral college win or in the worst case scenario a narrow Trump electoral college win but Biden winning the popular vote by 5+ million would be less than desirable.

          Best case scenario Biden wins convincingly, Democrats take control of the Senate and retain the House allowing the Democrats to get the country moving in one direction. White rural America will have to move into the 21st century.

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      • Polls have probably started to reflect Trump getting Covid but won’t yet show the reaction to Trump returning to the White House in triumph. But even Rasmussen, which is usually quite Trump friendly, is turning bad for Trump.

        Here’s a sample of recent Approval-Disapproval results:
        10 September -9%
        16 September -1%
        18 September +4%
        21 September 0
        25 September -2%
        28 September -11%
        29 September -9%
        30 September -10%
        1 October -6%
        2 October -12%
        5 October -12%
        6 October -14%

        RCP average is currently -8.8
        https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

        The FiveThirtyEight election forecast is trending further towards Biden favoured to win 82%, Trump 17%
        https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  7th October 2020

          Was it a triumphant return to the White House, moral at the White House must be shattered. Trump won’t be self isolating and nobody will know who has COVID. Maybe a superficial triumph but in reality?

          What are the families of the 200,000+ dead Americans going to be thinking about Trumps behaviour since getting COVID?

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    • Gotta

       /  10th October 2020

      Wrong on all analysis. Trump will not only win, but as the incumbent he will win in a landslide. However demographic replacement will get the United States and Trump will be the final republican president. After this the low IQ masses will make their voices heard and the land of the free will devolve into a multicultural mess like Brazil and NZ to be.

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  3. seer

     /  7th October 2020

    Great cartoon! I think I’ve enjoyed every day of the Trump presidency (from here in NZ). The degree of upset he has been causing is amazing. The US deserves him.

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  4. Patzcuaro

     /  7th October 2020

    Here is something that didn’t get a lot of coverage as it was overtaken by Ruth Bader Ginburgs death.

    Trump invoked the racehorse theory while campaigning in Minnesota.

    ““You have good genes, you know that, right? You have good genes. A lot of it is about the genes, isn’t it, don’t you believe? The racehorse theory? You think we’re so different. You have good genes in Minnesota.””

    “Given the history of eugenics, and the context in which Trump used the phrase “good genes,” a lot. Between the late 1890s and the eve of World War II, pseudoscientists developed the theory of eugenics to address the fears of white elites that immigrants would corrupt the country’s gene pool.”

    “Eugenics messaging can only be delivered by dog whistle because one especially committed eugenicist was Adolf Hitler, who promoted the “Nordic race” as the eugenic ideal.”

    https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/518031-trumps-good-genes-speech-echoes-racial-eugenics

    I’m not sure where this sits with Ivanka and her children.

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    • Corky

       /  7th October 2020

      Let’s leave aside what experts say…. are you telling me there’s no proof for Eugenics? Or that Eugenics may be a good thing?

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      • Corky

         /  7th October 2020

        Quote:

        21 Historical Figures You Didn’t Know Supported The Eugenics Movement.

        1 of 22. Theodore Roosevelt. …
        2 of 22. Alexander Graham Bell. …
        3 of 22. Helen Keller. …
        4 of 22. Winston Churchill. …
        5 of 22. Margaret Sanger. …
        6 of 22. W. E. B. Du Bois. …
        7 of 22. Clarence Darrow. …
        8 of 22. George Bernard Shaw.

        https://allthatsinteresting.com/eugenics-movement

        Is this debate around the science of Eugenics, or the moral implications?

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        • Duker

           /  7th October 2020

          Smart educated people of certain eras either accepted current marginal ‘theories’ ( which later were proved wrong) or made other errors in their work
          https://astronomy.com/news/2018/09/5-times-einstein-was-wrong

          The carbon nonsense is one of those currently ‘highly popular’ as an extreme outcome especially among the “OK Doomers’ ..
          Eugenics was a created out of nothing science
          “Despite its popularity, the eugenics movement was doomed from the start because most of the traits studied by eugenicists had little genetic basis. Among those characteristics targeted for elimination from the human population were such complex and subjectively defined traits as “criminality,” epilepsy, bipolar disorder, alcoholism, and “feeblemindedness,” a catchall term used to describe varying degrees of mental retardation and learning disabilities.”
          In the US by the 1930s it was discredited amoungst knowledgeable people….
          Now its only whackos who promote it

          https://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/human-testing-the-eugenics-movement-and-irbs-724/

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          • Corky

             /  7th October 2020

            ”Eugenics is the practice or advocacy of improving the human species by selectively mating people with specific desirable hereditary traits. It aims to reduce human suffering by “breeding out” disease, disabilities and so-called undesirable characteristics from the human population.”

            So then, what is Gene editing?

            ”Genome editing (also called gene editing) is a group of technologies that give scientists the ability to change an organism’s DNA. These technologies allow genetic material to be added, removed, or altered at particular locations in the genome.”

            And plant hybridiazation?

            ”Hybridization is the process of producing a hybrid. … In reproductive biology for instance, hybridization (also spelled hybridisation) refers to the process of producing offspring by mating two parents from different varieties or species.”`

            Seems to me two points stick out.

            1-Technology wasbn’t around in the day to implement eugenics.

            2- Seems to me Eugenics is a moral debate.

            It may be a question of nature v nurture. Both seem to provide valid proofs?

            Hey, Duker…do you every think for yourself?

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            • Duker

               /  7th October 2020

              You have barely minimal scientific knowledge…. obvious from your pastes

          • Corky

             /  7th October 2020

            As I expected – you wouldn’t see the connection. Hence your terse reply.

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            • Duker

               /  7th October 2020

              There is somethings that are true mixed with false , but you left school at 15 and cant tell the difference and are sucked into discredited mumbo jumbo.
              You couldnt even see all those eminent people from 100 years or more ago, you might have forgotten Henry Ford in the list

            • Corky

               /  7th October 2020

              Stop the rhetoric, let’s debate. Start with: ” what’s the difference between the three catorgies I have outlined.

    • Gerrit

       /  7th October 2020

      Having met a number of times the birth parents of our now adult adopted children, we definitely noticed a similarity of not just physical traits but attitude, character and life outlook as well.

      Physical traits one can understand but the similarities in attitude, character and life outlook must be genetic as our children had no contact with their birth parents from birth till around 18 years old.

      It is uncanny how many trait similarities there are. Something flowed through the genes.

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      • Duker

         /  7th October 2020

        Your imagination…..

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      • I read about twins who were separated and adopted out at birth. When they met as adults, not only were their lives and tastes similar (they even had the same hairstyles) they had bought identical presents for each other.

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        • Duker

           /  7th October 2020

          And the 1000’s who were not at all similar…. you wouldnt hear about them.
          this is something people want to believe and they jump on some similarities which they will have as siblings and ignore the other differences.
          There is also some evidence that ‘some’ people who are child abusers ( male and female) can have some similar facial characteristics to other abusers but they arent from the same family, and that ‘trait’ is developed in the womb. Its not clear cut so may be confirmation bias

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          • There are identical twins and fraternal twins; identical ones are basically the same person multiplied because an egg has divided itself. Fraternals are are two eggs fertilised at the same time so the ‘twins’ are not really twins.

            There are many stories of the bond between identical twins, too many to be dismissed.

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      • Corky

         /  7th October 2020

        Tesla- ‘If you want to find the secrets of the Universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.’

        Most think of humans as a mass of atoms. Tesla and metaphysicans understood we are bundles of energy held together by intent.

        Dare I say it…what is the spiritual aspect to human creation and endowment?

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  5. Brian Johnston

     /  7th October 2020

    The article is an anti trump rant
    Fortunately there are Trump supporters here.
    Do I detect sarcasm in the seer
    Patzcuaro, be very careful. I don’t think you know your subject.
    I have got to 95% support for Trump. There is just a couple of niggling doubts which I hope he clears after his win.
    If Biden wins I guess he will have a ‘heart attack’ and hand over to Harris who will become an unelected President. Not good.
    For those who don’t understand. [Deleted unsupported crap. PG]
    And look what the dishonest Jerk Andrews is doing in socialist police state Victoria, the gall of the man.
    NZ should never have locked down like we did. Some companies have received funds when they shouldn’t have.

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    • NOEL

       /  7th October 2020

      Nah prefer the other rant as the more factual.

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    • duperez

       /  7th October 2020

      I’ve got a pie graph in my mind about the couple of niggling doubts you’re hoping he clears after his win.

      When you started you likely had ‘business genius’ and ‘doing deals’ or something similar featuring. I guess however you worded them the former especially would have been quite large. So with knowledge and experience that’s been ticked and won’t be in the unachieved 5%. Maybe some smidgeons of doubt?

      ‘Draining the swamp’ was a biggie and too small to fit in the mere 5% unless a couple of small elements are yet to be handled.

      So what is in your 5% to get him the Gold Medal Noble Prize for Presidentship?

      By the way, I did read in September:

      “Drain the swamp” was a signature promise of Donald Trump’s first campaign: He would uproot corruption from the capital and install a government that served ordinary Americans, not the special interests. That pledge has not merely gone unmet, like most of his campaign promises. It has been shattered by a president and an administration unprecedented and unapologetic in their mingling of public and private interests.”

      “He stopped plans to build a new suburban campus for the FBI because he didn’t want the downtown site to be redeveloped into a hotel that could compete with his Trump International and then later engineered that money be included in the pandemic relief bill for rebuilding FBI facilities at the current site.”

      “It is not okay that Mr. Trump thumbed his nose at rules and sensibilities about nepotism and installed his daughter Ivanka and her husband, Jared Kushner, in White House jobs for which they had no qualification. It is not okay that Ms. Trump snared valuable trademarks from China for her business while in her White House job. It is not okay that Mr. Trump’s adult sons, Donald Jr. and Eric, use their political privilege to advance their financial interests, even charging taxpayers for costs associated with business trips — such as the nearly $100,000 it cost for Donald Trump Jr.’s jaunt to India to sell luxury condominium projects. It is not okay that Mr. Trump doesn’t care about employees in the executive branch violating Hatch Act prohibitions about partisan political activity while on the job; he even encourages it.”

      Your explanation will no doubt prove that you have good reason to look forward to an even more successful second term for Mr Trump.

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  6. I heard yesterday that there is still community transmission here (although there isn’t) and that lots of people are like the man whose C19 appeared weeks after he caught it. It was pointless trying to say that that was one case and extremely rare; oh no, it was common.People were being let out of isolation who had C19 and spreading it. Enter rumour, painted full of tongues.

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    • Duker

       /  7th October 2020

      There you go getting into that festering [….]heap of BFD and spreading the toxins around here.
      AS you have been saying to others …wheres your proof

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      • We are told that the man whose incubation was more than 14 days was one in 1000 or something like that. It is highly unlikely that people are being let out of isolation and then developing C19 which they then spread around. The proof is that community transmission in NZ seems to have come to a standstill. Do try to keep up.

        I can’t KNOW that there’s none, but it seems inherently unlikely, and if the 14 days isolation wasn’t enough, it would be obvious by now; hence my disbelief in this statement made about the spread by people who have been in quarantine. Yes, one man was positive after several weeks, but if this was common there would still be community transmission on a large scale.

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        • The last case of community transmission was almost a fortnight ago…is that proof enough, or do you also believe that the quarantine period is too short and people are leaving it with active C19 ? All the community cases have now recovered.

          What more do you need by way of ‘proof’ ?

          It seems that 2 PDTs believe the rumour, which is a bit of a worry. I hadn’t heard that one before. Reason should show that it can’t be true, or is so unlikely as to be not worth considering.

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  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  7th October 2020

    The political spin cycle is red-lining. Wake me up when it stops.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  7th October 2020

      This was sufficiently sardonic to be real and amusing:
      https://spectator.us/donald-trump-greatest-gift/

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      • Fight4nz

         /  7th October 2020

        Well written. Caught me by surprise. 😉

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        • Duker

           /  7th October 2020

          Ahh the smart persons Trump lovers ….ignore what he does, his corruption , has lazy incompetent life in Whitehouse, let’s concentrate on what’s wrong with the media
          The get many basic facts wrong , many high level staff at Whitehouse ARE infected
          The top level of the military is either in quarantine or infected all because some went to those packed meetings at WH.
          A different version of the deflection game being played by this author is done over at Fox, where it’s always a pivot to Bidens fault when Trump has been too grotesque

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  8. Brian Johnston

     /  7th October 2020

    Not only was I censured, the bit cut out was referred to as crap which is an opinion.
    I should have been given the opportunity to censure out the term crap.
    Pete George (possibly a pseudonym) your are out of line on this one.
    You have obviously bought into the Covid plandemic.
    You’re a lefty.

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    • Duker

       /  7th October 2020

      What !

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    • As is well known I use my real name here. And I’m not out of line, this is my blog.

      You asserted: “Covid is man made and deliberate. It is a socialist, authoritarian police state attack on freedom” – and provided no evidence or link, and yes, in my opinion it’s a crap conspiracy theory grade assertion.

      Your assertion that I’m a left seems just an attempt at a perjorative because you don’t like being limited from spreading stupid claims.

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      • Harry

         /  8th October 2020

        As one who has been censored on this blog, I would like to offer the following observations:

        Yes, it is Pete’s blog and he can do what he likes. But the blog would be greatly improved by less censorship, more open debate about Covid 19, and less Trump Derangement Syndrome.

        Now to see if this post actually appears….

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  9. Duker

     /  7th October 2020

    A new remake of the movie Evita is in the works ...working title Covida
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ejm-9UdVcAE_Y9V?format=jpg

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  10. Corky

     /  7th October 2020

    HDPA called out Megan Woods re the cancelled tennis. More spin and possible fibbing from the gummit.

    As President Trumpy said:

    ”Don’t let it dominate your life,”

    I’m afraid President Trumpy our gummint is built around Covid..and not housing. Take Covid away from Jacinda’s tool box and what are we LEFT with? Nothing!!!

    Meanwhile, Judith was made unwelcome by some DUMB socialists at a Optometrist. And they have every RIGHT. Personally, I believe they should have held their noses and said, hello. That way they would still have kept their customer base that will now be in decline.

    Vicious and nasty…the way of the Left. To be fair…Judith, what are you doing in Ponsonby???!

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    • Duker

       /  7th October 2020

      You mean the staged/faked welcoming people at the walkabouts…. JJ seemed to suggest he was ‘past the rope’ to meet Judith in Napier, but it seems its a new variation of ‘rent a mob,- the party faithful are implored to turn up and spread themselves around- like the busload who Key used to travel with.

      I believe the government over the Tennis, as a normal player only bubble is just like the Wallabies who are here now, but the tennis sells hospitality where various big spenders mingle with players.

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      • Corky

         /  7th October 2020

        Yes, Barry Soper has seen buses of supporters trucked in to support political parties of all hues during elections.

        Dumb National used the same faces and were caught out. Absolutely dumb.

        That said One News did an absolute job on National tonight. Bias of the highest order.

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        • Duker

           /  7th October 2020

          Since when has Soper been out on the hustings recently?
          Yes the supporters wear tea shirts , wave placards etc and hang in a ‘flock’….like I said the clearly labelled bus load of Keys kids who went out to small towns.
          What’s new is the walkabout with planted party activists who were all singing from the same songsheet….that was the giveaway… And the way they were strung out along the street.
          Look it’s all a staged photo ops for all leaders, but the media don’t like being conned by candidates who pretend they are meeting ordinary members of the public..for goodness sake one person supposedly a random person was the Auckland central campaign manager
          Another failed set up …she’s been caught misleading the media, she’s been caught telling different stories about internal dissent and different stories about policy on the fly…she said she was and then she said she wasnt

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          • Corky

             /  7th October 2020

            ”Since when has Soper been out on the hustings recently”

            Who was talking about recently?

            How many years has Soper been a reporter?

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  11. duperez

     /  7th October 2020

    Wednesday 5:00pm (NZ)

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  12. Brian Johnston

     /  7th October 2020

    To Pete George: When you wake up to what is happening it will be too late.

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    • Blazer

       /  7th October 2020

      To Brian Johnstone….the world passed you by…long ago.Accept it…your views belong in the 50’s.

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    • duperez

       /  7th October 2020

      To Brian Johnstone: When you wake up on Thursday it won’t be too late to answer (from above) about your 5% doubt about Trump and what sees him deserve your 95% support.

      Reply

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