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  1. Please note that due too election day laws there can be no comments that may influence voting. The simplest way too do this is to have no discussion on politics at all.

    See Message from the Electoral Commission

    There will be an election night post at 7 pm if anyone wants to say anything from then,

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  2. David

     /  17th October 2020

    Surprisingly little coverage of Hunter Biden enriching himself wildly because of his surname and a some help from Dad, what is a pivotal moment is the utter stupidity of Twitter to totally suppress the story for totally political purposes. Now before people start quoting Twitter rules about hacked material last month they had no issue with spraying Trumps tax returns all over the show despite it being illegal to release someones tax details.
    Facebook did the same but their rules state they rely on (far left) fact checking organisations before they throttle but their boss of compliance who used to work for the Democrat party moved ahead of fact checkers and halted it anyway.
    This dumbass move to protect Biden hopefully will see these firms labelled as publishers and able to be sued and then the world can move to a far less toxic place that these colossal social media companies have enabled.
    They make billions by making people worse, its their business model, their algorithms are designed to inflame.

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    • Would it be of much interest to people in NZ to hear details about someone they’ve probably never heard of before ?

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      • duperez

         /  17th October 2020

        I’m dying to hear all about it. Mainly because the moves to protect Biden are seen by some as ‘dumbass.’ The offspring of a presidential candidate he is no less.

        The conspirational zealots in a state of pre-election low poll panic are into it boots and all. Naturally the players involved are the well known upholders of propriety, honest purveyors of and seeking of the real story.

        “Wilmington, Delaware — President Trump and his allies have launched a late effort to again tarnish Joe Biden by tying him to his son Hunter Biden’s overseas business interests, publicizing emails and photos supposedly from a laptop alleged to have been abandoned by the younger Biden and timing their release in a manner reminiscent of Russia’s efforts to dump damaging material about Hillary Clinton in 2016.

        Rudy Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, said his own attorney, Robert Costello, obtained the material from the owner of a computer repair shop in Wilmington, Delaware, after Hunter Biden allegedly left it there for months. Giuliani provided the material to the New York Post on Sunday, and the Post began running stories about the supposed documents this week.

        But the owner of the computer store, John Paul MacIsaac, was unable and unwilling to answer key questions about how the laptop supposedly arrived in his store, and eventually, how the data was shared with Giuliani. CBS News interviewed MacIsaac for almost two hours on Wednesday and throughout the interview he contradicted himself about his motivations, raising questions about the truthfulness of one of the central figures in the story.”

        Meanwhile, well, over years, the moves to protect Donald Trump from revelations about his the various affairs to do with Russia and those of his family are seen by some as the opposite of ‘dumbass.’ Good, essential, wise practice it seems.

        https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-laptop-new-york-post-story/

        One of the strands about is that the Bidens are lying about aspects of the situation. You have to laugh at any clutching of a ‘lying is bad straw’ to diminish a presidential candidate when the incumbent would certainly be in the running for a Noble Prize in that sport.

        Speaking in the vein of tax returns, (likely to be the tip of some big financial icebergs), there is enough to suggest Biden Jnr could really be a junior when it comes to deals.

        https://time.com/5571077/donald-trump-tax-returns-arguments/

        As far a Twitter doing things for political purposes? Why should they? It is their business. Surely they have the right to use information and their perception of truth as they see fit. Sort of like Giuliani and Trump.

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    • Fight4nz

       /  17th October 2020

      I see by your use of the ‘far left’ label on a number of occasions, that you too are a victim of this social media toxicity.

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  17th October 2020

      I thought the social media companies provided a platform for right wing conspiracy promoters to inflame.

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      • David

         /  17th October 2020

        They inflame both sides and censor one side. Its their very profitable business model which has come at a very high price for society.

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  17th October 2020

          The left doesn’t seem to be so enamoured with conspiracy theories, perhaps the left is more dealing with the here and now while the right is fighting to retain the past.

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  3. NOEL

     /  17th October 2020

    No politics day in New Zealand. Damn…. forgot the US isn’t covered by our Act.
    Thaaaanks David.

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  4. Fight4nz

     /  17th October 2020

    Keeping away from politics, any news about Gezza?

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    • They must have been able to buy the tickets, they went on commercial flights. The fault lies with whoever sold the tickets and said nothing.

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      • Fight4nz

         /  17th October 2020

        I thought private enterprise could do no wrong and this is unbelievable lack of personal responsibility.
        What amazes me is there are flights between the 2 cities.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  17th October 2020

      It’s a relief to know Aussie bureaucracies are as clueless as ours. So you can travel to Victoria from Sydney but not from NZ which has no community cases.

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      • The Kiwis must have bought the seats in good faith, the seats would have been on offer. It’s not like sneaking over the border in a car.One would have no sympathy for anyone who did that and was caught.

        If there are repercussions, the airline must be responsible !

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        • NOEL

           /  17th October 2020

          Nah individual responsibility.

          “Anyone planning to travel interstate beyond New South Wales will need to ensure they have checked state and territory travel restrictions and have the appropriate exemptions and/or approvals to travel, as these continue to change.”

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  17th October 2020

            There is no legal requirement that interstate passengers should not have travelled internationally? The legality of their detention seems to be in question.

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            • NOEL

               /  17th October 2020

              Nah nah.
              “New transit permits
              From 12.01am Friday 16 October you can enter NSW from Victoria if you have a permit and you are

              driving from South Australia via the Sturt Highway
              transiting by road, rail or air directly from the Spirit of Tasmania
              transiting only through a Victorian airport without leaving the airport.
              The current exemption to enter NSW from South Australia after transiting through Victoria on the Sturt Highway will expire at 12.01am Monday 19 October and you will need to apply for the new permit.

              If you are transiting through NSW to another destination you can travel by road provided you have not been in a restricted area (Melbourne) or an area of concern in the last 14 days. You are no longer required to only transit by air. You will still need a permit to enter.”

              Note…. permit required same same Sydney to Melbourne.

            • It seems to be being made up as it goes along…as it was here.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  17th October 2020

              @NOEL, that is for entering NSW not Victoria.

          • NOEL

             /  17th October 2020

            Further to your “it’s the airlines fault” claim.
            “In a media statement yesterday, Air New Zealand said fares beyond Sydney were not able to be booked via the airline due to Australian state restrictions.”

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  5. artcroft

     /  17th October 2020

    C’est la vie or maybe not: https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300134973/teacher-decapitated-in-france-suspected-killer-shot-dead-by-police

    France once again faces the question of whether you are allowed to discuss the truth claims of Islam in public (the authorities will say you can, but shouldn’t, however that begs the question what other truth claims can you not discuss in public.)

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  17th October 2020

      Religious crimes against humanity deserve their own statute.

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    • Corky

       /  17th October 2020

      Points of interest:

      1- ”The parent of a student had filed a complaint against the teacher, another police official said, adding that the suspected killer did not have a child at the school. ”

      Assuming the parent was Muslim…I posted a clip showing Muslim parents going berserk at one American schools. One parent said they would ”soon be the majority”

      I was told that was ‘one parent.” The ignorance of some people.

      2- The alleged Muslim nutter (?) obviously held his religion higher than the laws and culture of his adopted country.

      3- I post an article about small towns in France worried that Muslim refugees were being
      settled in those areas that had quaint french culture and nothing for those refugees to do.
      However, it seems some french residents suffer from the NZ disease of complacency.

      Quote: “We didn’t see this coming,” Conflans resident Remi Tell said on CNews TV station. He described the town as peaceful.”

      Quote:

      ”The incident came as Macron’s government is working on a bill to address Islamist radicals who authorities claim are creating a parallel society outside the values of the French Republic.”

      No shit, Maigret. Here’s a hint. What are countries doing to stem the cases of Covid?

      It’s not only radicals..it’s Muslims in general ( In my opinion).

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      • artcroft

         /  17th October 2020

        Will the various muslim councils of the world condemn this action or stay silent?

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          • Corky

             /  17th October 2020

            ‘Taqiyya,’ Arty.

            They may denounce terrorism. But do they denounce Islam eventually ruling the world for the betterment of mankind?

            Many Muslims would believe they can still get their way without the violence.
            Terrorism just makes it harder to achieve their objective as a Muslim people.
            Population growth is their weapon.

            Don’t forget, Islam counts time different to us Westerners.

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            • That is ridiculous and based on nothing at all.

              Muslims are no more clones than ‘Westerners’ are.

            • Fight4nz

               /  17th October 2020

              Not like good old Protestants and Catholics then.
              Sneaky Muslims will send out missionaries around the world to indoctrinate gullible locals.

            • Corky

               /  17th October 2020

              Indoctrinate v behead.

              Fight4nz??? Get a knew avatar.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  17th October 2020

            That was 5 years ago?

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            • Corky

               /  17th October 2020

              It’s what Arty would call a curved shot. It may be still pertinent. We will see?

            • artcroft

               /  17th October 2020

              I imagine they will respond the same way today.

          • duperez

             /  17th October 2020

            No worries about media around the world if it involves something Muslim. Enthusiasts like Corky will be roused. Nutters do nutty things all over like in Paris, the USA, Christchurch.

            Often they are related to (what I would call) crazy notions. Sometimes of a religious bent. The way around it is to get rid of all crazy people with lunatic things in their heads. And ‘radicals’ ? Oh, and apparently all Muslims.

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            • Corky

               /  17th October 2020

              Off on another aimless rant. Duperez.?

              ”Enthusiasts like Corky will be roused. ”

              I took the bait, true. But roused? I’m past that. I just can’t believe some don’t get it. That’s why I keep posting, to see if I get the same response.
              That tells me I’m still on the right track, and haven’t become a fanatic myself.

              ”Nutters do nutty things all over like in Paris, the USA, Christchurch.
              Often they are related to (what I would call) crazy notions. Sometimes of a religious bent.”

              Yep..sounds right. But do these nutters all over the world support a religion/ culture/ way of life bent on taking over the world like
              our standard Muslim nutter who is part of over a billion adherents and growing? And..are they really nuts?

              There are over 50 thousand Muslims in NZ. How many white supremacists are there?

              ”The way around it is to get rid of all crazy people with lunatic things in their heads. ”

              I offer a part solution..you offer sarcasm. Enough said.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  17th October 2020

              Seems to be a while since anyone but a Muslim beheaded a teacher in the name of their religion for showing a cartoon, dups?

              (Leaving aside egomaniacal dictators and their killers of course.)

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  17th October 2020

              .. and more scaremongering even from the BBC:

              Prison officers under constant threat of beheading:
              https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-54551709

            • Corky

               /  17th October 2020

              Quote:

              “We will separate the most subversive prisoners from the general population where necessary.”

              After reading what the ex inmate had to say, it seems separating the most subversive prisoners from GP is a waste of time. What about the other Muslims?

              Why not build a purpose built prison just for Muslims, or those of the Muslim faith?

              The prison would be run along military lines with extreme trained guards, who will kill on sight if attacked. Legal wise many of these prisoners have declared war on a sovereign state. Let’s give them that war.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  17th October 2020

              Meanwhile 40% of young people in north Africa and the Middle East want to move to the US or Europe.

              https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/10/09/nearly-half-young-people-north-africa-middle-east-want-migrate/

            • Good luck with beheading someone in prison; what will they do it with ? A plastic knife ?

              Why a Muslim who’s inside for a crime of dishonesty should be put in a Muslim prison with the small number of extremist Muslim loonies is hard to imagine. I don’t know how many Muslims are in prison in the UK, but it’s hardly likely to be enough to justify special prisons !

              The rest of the idea is too idiotic to dignify with a response.

      • lurcher1948

         /  17th October 2020

        Corky posting as only a Muslim hating crusader rightwinger would post….no surprises there

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  17th October 2020

          Worldwide inhabitants of insane cultures want the benefits of sane cultures while retaining their insane culture.

          Even see it in the Democrats fleeing California and Michigan for Republican states.

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  6. Alan Wilkinson

     /  17th October 2020

    Bob Jones on sociism:
    https://nopunchespulled.com/2020/10/16/on-language-and-our-politics/

    Of course the original socialist demand for the state to own the means of production has been refined after discovering the consequence is that there is no production.

    The modern socialist allows the capitalist to own the means of production but then steals the product. Political debate is about the amount to be stolen.

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  7. Corky

     /  17th October 2020

    Now this ain’t right. It’s un American. What happens if you have a pencil neck behind the help desk who looks at you the wrong way? Or wears a tee-shirt with ‘Vegans Are Saving The Planet.” written on it? Any red blooded American would want to draw his iron and lead these un patriotic disgraces. God bless America..and the American way.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/10/us-election-michigan-voters-banned-from-carrying-guns-to-polling-booths.html

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  17th October 2020

      I guess it’s pointless shooting your opponents after they’ve voted.

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    • It’s still a horrible thing; being drunk and stupid doesn’t deserve the death penalty. It must have been grim for whoever found them.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  17th October 2020

        Arguably.we now keep stupid people alive and reproducing with potentially detrimental effects for the species although the counter argument probably says diversity is good so long as the stupid strains don’t take over.

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        • The alternative is what Germany did within living memory with those the government decided had too little intelligence to justify being allowed to live. You know what that led to; kill one group and it’s easy to extend that to killing others.

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  8. NOEL

     /  17th October 2020

    I was replying to the claim that it was the airlines fault.
    The passengers were advised by Air New Zealand if they intended to travel interstate that they had to apply for the necessary exemptions.
    The air line did not have a facility for on line booking interstate so the interstate flight tickets were sourced by the individuals.
    “They didn’t spend very long at the airport. They left the airport within only minutes, really, of having arrived.
    It was made pretty clear that this was a travel bubble between only NSW and NT.

    .

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  17th October 2020

      It’ pretty clear they were booked straight through Sydney.

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      • NOEL

         /  17th October 2020

        Yeah?

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        • There seems to have been a complete breakdown of communication.

          The good thing (one hopes) is that all this hoohah will make the powers that be think about what is and isn’t permitted.

          I would guess that the people did all their bookings at this end to make things easier when they arrived rather than chance getting seats when they arrived.

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          • Somewhere along the line they should have been told that this wasn’t supposed to happen.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  17th October 2020

              There’s no evidence the authorities made a ruling on whether it was supposed to happen or not. As you said, they are making it up as they go along. Now they have to figure out whether they want to ban it or not. There is actually no good reason for banning it.

            • Tonight’s news makes it obvious that it’s the old left hand not knowing what the right hand’s doing.

              AIRNZ are doing direct flights to Melbourne; no seats available till December, but who knows if that’s because they are booked out or not beginning till then ?

              If the people went straight through the airport, it sounds as if they had tickets.

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