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  1. lurcher1948

     /  18th October 2020

    David Seymour,National gifted you your seat,you didnt fight for it BUT Cloe won Central Auckland through her own efforts,a genuine MP and she will have power unlike you David.

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    • That is rubbish about David Seymour, and shows that you don’t know how MMP works. People voted him in; list MPs still need votes. Had Epsom not wanted him, they wouldn’t have voted for ACT. He has worked very hard for that seat and he deserves it.

      I can’t see a Green MP having much ‘power’.

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      • David Seymour came across very well on Q&A this morning. He’s got a big job getting a caucus of about 10 set up and performing, but has three years to do it. Time will tell how well it goes. It will be easier doing this while in opposition.

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      • Duker

         /  18th October 2020

        ” People voted him in; ”
        Yes and Goldsmith deliberately avoided any local election events and had minimal election billboards.
        And Goldsmith came 3rd !
        Hide was the last one to campaign against an active NP opponent, and he definitely won.

        and of course Seymour ‘did well’ , hes a political cadre like Bishop and Willis who know how to work the system to their advantage

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        • “hes a political cadre like Bishop and Willis who know how to work the system to their advantage”

          Like Ardern and Robertson and many others who work the political system to their advantage. That’s sort of what successful politics is about these days.

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          • Duker

             /  18th October 2020

            Yes Ardern and Robertson have a career as cadres….Nats and ACT go out of their way to pretend some of their people are faux farmers (English) or small business (Collins)….she was a corporate tax lawyer for her day job.
            Nick Smith who’s time has come after 30 years worked for council for a short time before being a professional politician….for unexplained reasons he didnt join his brothers at family company Smith’s Bridge builders
            We do know why Gerry Brownlee left the family timber business to become a woodwork teacher……then a politician

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        • If people in Epsom didn’t want him, they wouldn’t keep voting for him.

          Rodney Hide was also a List MP as I remember it. That way Epsom got ACT and National; two for the price of one. It’s the way MMP works, although some people still don’t understand this.

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      • Griff.

         /  18th October 2020

        Rapid growth always shows up a lack of depth in the list
        How long before one of the new ACT mp’s shows their inexperience by doing something really stupid?.
        Same goes for the Greens .

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    • Blazer

       /  18th October 2020

      Seymour jumps out of planes and plays the dancing fool to get votes.

      His policies suck and the party he represents exist for the greedy and the selfish.

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      • ACT 190,106 votes, 8.0%
        NZF 63,447 votes, 2.7%
        Sour grapes 100%

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        • Blazer

           /  18th October 2020

          Winston probably the most influential politician of the last 30 years….a fitting and accurate tribute..here..

          https://thestandard.org.nz/o-winston-i-love-you/

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          • seer

             /  18th October 2020

            Winston has certainly has been in the thick of it during his time in politics.

            Because the 17-20 government was significantly his/NZFirsts construction and because he was resistant to anti-Russia bullshit that’s prevalent, were reasons,amongst others, for me voting for Winston/NZ First.

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      • David Seymour went on Dancing With the Stars to raise money for a charity and succeeded in doing so.

        He has the great gift of being able to laugh at himself.

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        • Blazer

           /  18th October 2020

          That’s….funny.

          NZ has serious issues to address.
          We don’t need a…clown.

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          • Too late, you voted Labour and ‘bring in the clowns.’ You should have thought of that before.

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            • Duker

               /  18th October 2020

              Dont speakclowns too soon, as ACT has something like 7 or 8 new Mps with no political experience and Seymour has never learnt how to wrangle a caucus….ask Hide how that worked out for him in 2010.
              I reckon they will have some sort of bust up within 18 months

        • Duker

           /  18th October 2020

          How much did he raise ….. was it anything like the $260,000 that Tamiti Coffey raised for rainbow Youth ?
          Some ‘stars’ only raised $600

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  18th October 2020

      I would expect vote splitting in Auckland Central just as in Epsom. Voters have worked out that gets them two MPs instead of one.

      So Lurch, the only difference is National acknowledged it and Labour didn’t. Honesty is good.

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  2. Corky

     /  18th October 2020

    Is a omen coming?

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    • Duker

       /  18th October 2020

      Yes. Judith is done, she just doesnt know it yet…..continues the happy talk , a lot like saying the undecideds were going to let National win.

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  18th October 2020

    A righty on a nearby radical rightwing blog posted this and i smiled
    Viking October 18, 2020 At 10:04 am
    My goodness did you see the way she was on the podium last night. I am the Messiah stuff. Thought she was bombed out. s

    She was also wearing Muslim dress. Ask your ladies to have a look. My Lady picked it up straight away.
    She is a closet Muslim.
    Failed to tell us, didn’t she

    Our PM Jacinda Ardern….fish and chip worker, Mormon, socialist, communist,a Muslim,and now PM…TALENTED,Viking when it sinks in there’s always Australia but there are Australians there

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  18th October 2020

    Jacinda wins, and the ABs win,can it get any better, YES it can, Ms Collins getting rolled VERY SOON, MAYBE TOMORROW

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    • Covid 19 is back in the community, but it was kept quiet until today. I wonder why? Chris Hipkins gave a rambling answer to this question. Meanwhile the person had travelled from Auckland to New Plymouth and back and the ship that is likely to be the source has travelled to Napier, or was on its way there.

      This new case is seen as proof that the system is working. Yeah, right.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  18th October 2020

      Forgot the lions won to

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  19th October 2020

      It could have been worse, Lurch. The Greens could have held the balance of power. Some probably voted Labour to stop that.

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  19th October 2020

      A Biden victory in November would be light at the end of the tunnel as we head into 2021.

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  5. Patzcuaro

     /  19th October 2020

    Attempt to govern for all America rather than divide and rule.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  19th October 2020

      I’m sure there will be no shortage of meaningless platitudes to satisfy you.

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    • You can’t be serious? I still doubt that it’ll be Joe who makes it over the line. Three weeks is a long time in politics.

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  6. Corky

     /  19th October 2020

    My thoughts on the election:

    Pros

    1- Labour can govern alone.
    2- National was taken completely apart.
    3- Chlöe Swarbrick won a seat.
    4- The referendums wont be around at the next election.
    5- Labour taking the middle ground.

    Cons

    1- The media will pay special attention to ACT.
    2- Jacinda becoming our greatest PM ever on the back of a massacre and a virus.
    3- A new generation of voters becoming apparent. Basically drones educated to vote Left.
    4- Idiot Tories allowing their egos to get in the way of clear thinking and realising they dodged a bullet at this election. Cheer up.

    My opinion is National must install Luxon as leader before Xmas. They must counter inutively forget the middle ground and go back to their roots…stand for something!
    They need to remember at the next election these middle ground voters will be hurting.
    They will be wanting their pain to go away. They will want their old life back. If that means voting in a very conservative party, they will do that. Don’t forget, many voters who voted for Labour, are fair whether supporters. They will migrate elsewhere as fast as they migrated to Labour.

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  7. Blazer

     /  19th October 2020

    My prediction Muldoon lookalike,bald headed,bible basher Luxon will NEVER become P.M of…NZ.
    Take it to the…bank.

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    • Gerrit

       /  19th October 2020

      No wonder PG pulled the plug on this blog. Comments like that just are so stupid and juvenile.

      Between you and Duker, this blog has become unreadable and not a pleasure to discuss idea’s or thoughts.

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      • Blazer

         /  19th October 2020

        The description is an accurate one.

        You are entitled to your opinion.
        Imo it reeks of -I do not like your politics-they do not align with…mine.

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      • I agree, Gerrit; Blazer, Duker and Jack have really spoiled it between them.

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        • Fight4nz

           /  23rd October 2020

          Further proving Blazers point.

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          • Not really; they seem unable to disagree without being personal and in some cases vicious. All have had posts and comments deleted for this. It should be possible to disagree without spite and malice.

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            • Conspiratoor

               /  27th October 2020

              Once again showing a stunning lack of self awareness

            • If I had had as many deleted posts as they have, you might have a point. The posts were deleted because they contained personal abuse and outright lies. None of mine have been although my use of the term Dear Leader was finally deleted. But I have never made unfounded allegations, attempted to find out someone’s real identity or implied that I knew this. or made vicious personal attacks on other posters.

              Nor have I attempted to find out other people’s religious views, convert them to mine, harangue them about carrying the cross and tell them that they are in a cult !

  8. Alan Foster

     /  22nd October 2020

    Something new.
    Just bought petrol for $1.699 / litre at Mobil Pakuranga. This is with the 10c + GST Auckland tax as well.
    Remember when it was $2.20. Remember when previous Govts have added 3c / litre in tax & the world was going to end due to thousands of jobs being lost etc

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    • It varies from $1.70 to over $2 in the Waikato, with Z charging most. 30c+ a litre difference; no wonder they are not doing well.

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      • Fight4nz

         /  23rd October 2020

        High quality NZ management skills at the forefront again. The kind of group you want to listen to political advice from and encourage to run the country as well if you can convince them to stand.

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  9. Corky

     /  22nd October 2020

    Oh, dear, after all that hot wind over Nationals party funding, it MAY be our merry socialists are up to no good again?!

    They haven’t formed a gummint… and already we have Painter Gate revisited; social action
    organisations demanding the gummint hand over heaps more of our money.

    Crikey…it’s not even Xmas. It’s a great time to be a Tory…apart from the knives coming out for Judith eventually.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/labours-art-auction-fundraiser-returns-despite-serious-fraud-office-probe-in-party-donations/WUQE7E2EUAUZWE3DWSK772ORFA/

    **************************

    If only NZ Police had been as diligent, eh.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-zealand-woman-intended-to-facilitate-a-terrorist-act-for-islamic-state-denied-judicial-review/DGZFFTIE3XKR4QA22QYBGZ3FCQ/

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  10. Alan Wilkinson

     /  22nd October 2020

    From Labour expect:
    1. More unionism
    2. Rigid school zoning
    3. More rules for private landlords
    4. More taxes
    5. More subsidies for climate posturing
    6. More obligations for farmers and landowners
    7. More centralised control of planning rules and permissions
    8. More constraints on immigration and travel
    9. More regulation of skilled employment
    10. More preferences and exemptions for Maori elite.
    11. More constraints on free speech
    12. More subsidies and protections for Left supporting media and educational institutions
    13. Greater centralization of health services.

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    • Fight4nz

       /  23rd October 2020

      Marks for that, let’s see
      1. – 4. About time
      5. Guaranteed, but total woftam.
      6. Must be highly judicious in relation to farmers
      7. -10. Good
      11. Nonsense
      12. More nonsense
      13. A number of Drs joining government ranks so should be good position to make some good decisions. Would be encouraging to see Dr Reti properly involved also.

      Forgot:
      14. Continuing rebuild of derelict core state services.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  24th October 2020

      So the Left just confirm the accuracy of their prescription for a brainless jobless future with negative productivity growth.

      The smart and ambitious will escape, the middle class will be employed on state prescribed and/or funded paper-pushing bureaucratic sinecures and the growing poor will be on welfare. The solution to all problems will be more taxes, welfare and regulations. The lemmings will follow each other over their cliff.

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      • Alan; how’s this for bureaucrat-think ?

        You try to go to a government department site; they want to send a code to a mobile to confirm it’s you.

        The mobile number is out of date, that phone’s long gone, and there is no way to change it to the current one.

        The code can be sent to your email…IF you request this on the text that they send with the code to the non-existent number.

        Spot the obvious flaw.

        Phone waiting time is 53 minutes, they said. No wonder.

        I cannot see why there is no way to change the mobile number !.

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  11. Corky

     /  23rd October 2020

    1 – 4. About time. ( More strikes. Pissed off public. Labour loses votes.)
    5 – Guaranteed, but total woftam.( Yeah, let’s do a Greta Thunberg with my money.)
    6. -Must be highly judicious in relation to farmers ( food supply..who needs it, huh?)
    7. -10. Good ( only if you are a socialist.)
    11 – Nonsense (they say few learn from history…and track records.)
    12 – More nonsense ( ”we have tried everything,”…this time Katie and co aced it. Let’s build on that success and work ACT over….and tell kids who the bad political parties are.)
    13 – Hey, the health ministry and Pharmac are in disarray. Let political doctors forge greater ties to the gummint and healed the system…when? Hold on, they are the gummint. I had better think on this.
    14. Continuing rebuild of derelict core state services. (read: bureaucracy, bureaucracy bureaucracy)

    All in all, things are looking up for National..provided they leave the middle ground.

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    • Fight4nz

       /  23rd October 2020

      1 – 4. More money in people’s (that is the public) pockets. Better living conditions. Happier people, happier business.
      13. Pharmac is in disarray? Who told you that Pfizer, J&J …?
      14. Restored and replaced hospitals, schools, water supply infrastructure, etc, etc is bureaucracy?

      You better hope they don’t improve on their track record for non delivery.

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      • Corky

         /  23rd October 2020

        13. ”Pharmac is in disarray? Who told you that Pfizer, J&J …”

        The head of Pharmac did a interview on tailback. Too glib and the same answers were repackaged in a number of guises. I could smell the dysfunction thought my radio speaker.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  24th October 2020

        Happier people, happier business:

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  12. Corky

     /  23rd October 2020

    Talkback has spoken. And I agree:

    Pay beanies their full benefit while they work. Sounds nuts, but it may work for a variety of reasons… one reason being the shock of losing the extra cash from work, when it finishes. That would be quite a shock to the system. Back to ‘ticking up’ the dak, and smoke butt foraging. For more on-to-it beanies: no more consumer goods and eating out everyday. And having those bills always up to date.

    There are downsides. Somewhere along the track the government would have to say ”no more.”

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    • Fight4nz

       /  23rd October 2020

      Who are beanies?

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      • Corky

         /  23rd October 2020

        You know. I thought Kitty had that base covered?

        Anyway, apart from that trifle, any comment on the content of my post?

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        • Fight4nz

           /  24th October 2020

          I actually haven’t heard the term beanies, so not sure what you’re saying. Temp workers?
          Kitty, care to enlighten?

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          • Pickled Possum

             /  24th October 2020

            This word beanies or benies comes from the english word benefisharies.
            this word beni has a negative tone undertone and is used by mostly by non maori.
            Nga penihana … pensioners
            Is the maori word for beneficaries in Aotearoa.

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          • Beanies is Corky’s attempt at being funny. I haven’t heard anyone else using it of beneficiaries.

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          • It’s childish, Fight, and he’s not going to stop saying it. Ignore it.

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          • Corky

             /  25th October 2020

            Interesting comments above.

            Let’s start with PP:

            ”This word beni has a negative tone undertone and is used by mostly by non Maori.”

            Yes, the word may have negative connotations, but it’s used whimsically by Maori. I’m surprised PP and her hapu don’t use the term given the massive beani rate up North.

            I also find it strange that she believes it’s a non- Maori word. I have never heard it used outside Maoridom. Tau Iwi in my experience prefer the term ”bludger.”

            But, hey, what would I know, eh!

            As for Kitties comments. She imputes humour and childishness by my use of the word ‘beanies.’

            I just use the word. I cannot be responsible for how others perceive my use of language. It’s also much shorter than using the correct word description.

            Isn’t it funny?? All of the above because someone couldn’t work this out :

            ”Pay beanies their full benefit while they work.”

            Maybe they thought I was talking about Rocket Lab employees?

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            • Fight4nz

               /  27th October 2020

              “ Isn’t it funny?? All of the above because someone couldn’t work this out “
              Yes, it is very evident that you are unfamiliar with ensuring you know and understand the facts in a matter before expounding your views.

            • Corky

               /  28th October 2020

              Your problem isn’t the facts, its having a bad memory of past debates you have engaged in. You had no problem then understanding what a beanie was. Kind of narrows down the description that could be applied to your modus operandi

            • Fight4nz

               /  28th October 2020

              You have used this term in a previous debate and I understood it?

      • Conspiratoor

         /  25th October 2020

        When I was old enough to understand I was told it was an uncircumcised penis

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  13. Corky

     /  24th October 2020

    Here’s an interesting graph of cancer rates per country. No wonder a number of years back TV3 had the hurt applied to them regarding showing a documentary about intensive chemical use in the Pukekohe area. The doco never aired.

    My Opinion as to our high cancer rate:

    1- Proven lack of anti cancer minerals in our soil.
    2- High Phosphorous intake, especially amongst meat eaters.
    3- Agro chemicals and use of Roundup.
    4- Geo stress radiation and huge power lines running through residential areas.( subject of documentaries re cancer rates in Auckland)

    https://www.wcrf.org/dietandcancer/cancer-trends/data-cancer-frequency-country

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    • Griff.

       /  24th October 2020

      Unless you have an idea about which Cancers effect us in NZ you are just blathering.
      I can tell you.
      It is skin cancer.
      Because of the bloody great Antarctic ozone hole, , orbital dynamics and NZ’s pollution clear sky’s. Our out door life style is also a factor

      Skin cancer is the most common cancer in New Zealand. New skin cancers total about 82,000 per year, compared to a total of 16,000 for all other types of cancer. Our skin cancer rates are the highest in the world. In fact, the incidence of melanoma in New Zealand and Australia is around four times higher than in Canada, the US and the UK.

      https://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/resources/1329-new-zealand-skin-cancer-statistics

      New Zealand and Australia have – by far – the highest susceptibility to skin cancer in the world, according to new statistics.

      The 2018 skin cancer index published by German medical analyst group derma.plus reveals almost 2500 new melanoma cases are diagnosed in New Zealand every year.

      New Zealand ranked top and Australia in a close second. European countries and the US filled out the top 10, but well behind.

      But it’s not all bad. While New Zealand ranked highly in terms of skin cancer rates, Kiwis who develop melanoma are less likely to die from it because of New Zealand’s high health spending, the results show.

      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2018/07/new-zealand-has-highest-skin-cancer-rate-in-the-world-report.html

      New Zealand’s peak summer UV levels are roughly 40 percent higher than those at comparable latitudes in the Northern Hemisphere (McKenzie et al, 2006). There are three main reasons for this (McKenzie et al, 2003; 2006):

      Earth’s orbit is elliptical, which means the Southern Hemisphere is closer to the sun during our summer.
      The thickness of the ozone layer in the atmosphere varies seasonally (see figure 17). At mid-latitudes, such as New Zealand, it is thickest during spring and thinnest during autumn. This means the ozone layer over New Zealand thins during summer, providing less protection from UV sunlight when we are closest to the sun and the sun is highest in the sky. Moreover, our summertime ozone layer is thinner than the summertime ozone layer experienced at corresponding Northern Hemisphere latitudes.
      The air in New Zealand tends to be clearer than that in many other locations. UV sunlight travelling through the atmosphere to Earth’s surface is scattered or absorbed by clouds and aerosols (air pollution).

      https://www.mfe.govt.nz/publications/climate-change/our-atmosphere-and-climate-2017-exposure-ultraviolet-sunlight/new

      Isn’t it fun when knowledge of things like science and facts get in the way of your alt med ignorance.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  24th October 2020

        Yes, SH clear air and high UV is vastly different exposure from NH. Also outdoor lifestyles and occupations.

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      • Corky

         /  25th October 2020

        It’s a pity you are so nasty, Griff…we could have had a great debate on this topic.

        Unfortunately, in a rush to defend your god, science, you may have missed the science.

        I fail to see how data can be construed as alternative medicine???!

        Let’s look at other cancers:

        https://www.wcrf.org/dietandcancer/cancer-trends/prostate-cancer-statistics

        https://www.wcrf.org/dietandcancer/cancer-trends/breast-cancer-statistics

        ( BTW – Vit D in SOME studies , if I remember correctly, can cut breast cancer rates by 40%.
        NZ Ministry Of Health is not interested. There’s also the Vit D paradox and skin cancer.

        https://bowelcancernz.org.nz/about-bowel-cancer/what-is-bowel-cancer/symptoms-statistics/

        I will leave it that. I have a think…maybe around NZs population and other factors.

        ”Isn’t it fun when knowledge of things like science and facts get in the way of your alt med ignorance.”

        Quite true..although your Newtonian view of the world is now obsolete..you just don’t know it yet.

        You may like to ponder the arrogant, ignorant and wrong premise that science gives itself:

        That the world can only be explained and understood by science…there is nothing else.

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        • Griff.

           /  25th October 2020

          Your links fail to contradict my statement in any way .
          Here is the money shot .

          Skin cancer is the most common cancer in New Zealand. New skin cancers total about 82,000 per year, compared to a total of 16,000 for all other types of cancer.

          Do the math’s .
          We do have well documented reasons for our high rates of skin cancer that do not include any of your original alt med driven dribbling.
          We do not score highest in either of the statistical tables you linked to for other cancers.
          For it to be as you originally claimed we would have to be an extremely high outlier in both your measures of cancer rates and others .

          Instead it is your usual parrot chess .
          Another bout of Blathering about Newtonian physics when it was superseded over one hundred years ago by Einsteinain Physics along with snowflake whinging about being proven to be totally ignorant yet again by actual real world facts .

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_general_relativity

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          • Corky

             /  25th October 2020

            No, you do the math…and figure in ”population scales.” across all cancer indexes. Maybe then you will realise ”skin cancer” may have inflated our overall cancer stats, but….??

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            • Fight4nz

               /  27th October 2020

              So your an extreme libertarian Ponsonby luvvie? Billy TK must be getting your attention, there’s a non Newtonian if ever there was one.

            • Corky

               /  28th October 2020

              A worthless comment, I must say. Reminds me of someone.

            • Fight4nz

               /  28th October 2020

              You profess libertarian views calling the likes of Bob Jones not right enough on several occasions.
              Now you are firmly in Ponsonby territory with alt medical theories.
              So accurate observation. Worthless, probably.

            • Corky

               /  28th October 2020

              One last chance to get your facts right, or I won’t bother engaging you.
              Not that any of this has anything to do with the original topic, so I am humouring you.

              I said Sir Bob Jones is not a Libertarian..he is an Anarchist. There is a difference.

              If Sir Bob had his way, the Reserve Bank would be gone.

            • Fight4nz

               /  28th October 2020

              Hair well split. You’re humouring?

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  24th October 2020

      Australia and NZ must be high risk for UV exposure on susceptible Irish heritage skin.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  25th October 2020

        They are, and for English ones as well.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  25th October 2020

          Some (traditional) English are quite bronze. I think the Amada left some sun-tanned genes there. Maybe Big Norman too.

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          • Griff.

             /  25th October 2020

            Before the Romans, Anglo Saxons, then Normans England belonged to the Celts.
            Even before the Celts arrived around 700BCE other people lived there who we know little about beside archaeological remains like stone henge and their houses.
            Not all poms are Lilly white potential sun burn victims like those with a genetic heritage from the northern regions of Europe.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  26th October 2020

              Mum’s family from south of England were noticeably less white than dad’s from the north.

            • Many English people do have that traditional white skin, as do Irish ones. My aunt was lily white when she came here. My mother had black hair and brown eyes, and never went very pale even in winter, nor did she burn, but I burn very easily and have to use sunblock all year.

              We do, in fact, know a reasonable amount about prehistoric Britain; I have some excellent books about it,

  14. Pickled Possum

     /  24th October 2020

    That intense chemical use in Pukekohe was Monsanto … there address was in Pukekohe. Now they are Bayers and have taken over Yates. Roundup has NOT been banned in NZ the government obviously waiting for thousands of more deaths before they action a law against round ups chemical toxic mixture of glysophate and friends.

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    • Conspiratoor

       /  25th October 2020

      I wish I had known then what I know now, about Roundup

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      • If Roundup was that bad, wouldn’t all countries where it’s used have similar rates of the cancer it’s supposed to cause ?

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    • Corky

       /  25th October 2020

      I see the latest Roundup ad on TV. This time for a completely ORGANIC Roundup product.

      How sly. Associate the name not with death,disease and uncertainty about how safe Roundup is… but with a completely organic product also called Roundup.

      If you want to see what Roundup does to soil, go to a non organic apple orchard. The earth under those trees is dead and has a texture like concrete. We eat and export apples from those orchards and we believe they are great for our health.

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      • It hasn’t done that when I have used it, the weeds come back after a while. Nor is the soil like concrete except in summer when all soil around here is.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  26th October 2020

      Third world in a first world country. The great lie of public health and welfare.

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      • ‘Free’ dental care would be prohibitively expensive for the taxpayers who’d pay for it. People can look after their own teeth to a large extent. I can’t remember what the estimated cost was, but it was inordinate.

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        • $640,000,000 to be paid for by 2,665,000 workers.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  26th October 2020

          These people don’t have even basic dental care. How is that possible in this era? Why can’t DHBs organise even that?

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          • Fight4nz

             /  27th October 2020

            Didn’t you imply above that public health was the disaster behind this problem? Shouldn’t it be functioning perfectly since it is currently a purely private run sector?

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  28th October 2020

              First, welfare is a straight route to poverty. Second, bureaucracies suck money and serve themselves first, public second. Third, regulations stop innovation and the poor suffer most from them.

              All three are factors here.

            • Fight4nz

               /  28th October 2020

              “ Why can’t DHBs organise even that?”
              Aren’t you promoting welfare by this statement? DHBs need go ahead and funding from government to get involved in dentistry. Amazes me this and ambulance services aren’t.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  28th October 2020

              “DHBs need funding from government to get involved in dentistry”.

              Why? They are already involved in dentistry. Every private business does things without government funding and then has to fund the government. Private charities provide medical and dental aid in many places. Why is nothing happening here with obvious needs?

    • Fight4nz

       /  27th October 2020

      Of course it would help immensely if the same dropkicks who go on about glyphosate and 1080, didn’t get onto councils and take fluoride out of their water supply. Then refuse to have their kids vaccinated before rushing off in the night to burn down phone towers. I wonder how many of them wear their underpants on the outside?

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      • Corky

         /  28th October 2020

        ”I wonder how many of them wear their underpants on the outside?”

        I’m afraid you are behind the 8 ball, F4Z. They wear groin guards made from radiation absorbing material that protects the reproductive organs. I’m afraid to say if I had to choose between their offspring and yours to look after me in my dotage ……?!

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  15. Corky

     /  26th October 2020

    I don’t blame the prisoner for this incident…I blame Corrections. Their attitude to prisoner management is pathetic, and it may cost a prison officer their mobility…maybe their life.

    If this incident had happened in Rikers, the prisoner would have been softened with batons..not as in this case, negotiated with. What bullshit is this??

    From the article it would seem the prisoner in question is a sociopath going cold turkey because of a P addiction. To damage a cell door is quite a feat. Thankfully, the prsioner seems to have a low IQ. There are many things he could have done once breaking free of his cell.

    Wasting a prison officer wouldn’t be on my ‘to do list.’

    This chap in the clip didn’t deserve the beating he received. The scumbag in the above article did.

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    • Corky

       /  26th October 2020

      Here’s one for Griff. This guy claimed the mana of many charlatans…Uri Geller being a big scalp.

      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/25/haunted-future-without-james-randi-to-see-off-the-charlatans

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      • Griff.

         /  26th October 2020

        Here is one for corky
        A charlatan who has advanced science by his death.
        Nils-Axel Mörner har gått bort
        https://klimatupplysningen.se/nils-axel-morner-har-gatt-bort/
        A Favorite crank for nutbars to quote when it comes to sea level rise who was also into dowsing.

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        • Corky

           /  27th October 2020

          You do know I was paying my respects to James Randi…and not trying to have a go at you?

          Dowsing is a very large subject to cover. It’s way more complicated then you could ever imagine. And way more useful, too.

          He’s a hint. Dowsers who know their shite, know dowsing is just a conduit for the sub conscious mind. And the problem is, if you aren’t careful the conscious mind steps in and suggests an answer to the subconscious mind that will please the operator.

          So, two examples.

          I want to know what mineral may be of help to my plant. Given this is not a big deal and I have a neutral mind on the matter as I wouldn’t have a clue what the plant needs, I can be sure the result I get from dowsing has a 80 plus % chance of being right.

          Example 2: I have problem with a person/persons causing trouble in my life. Unfortunately they are anonymous, although I have a few clues as to who they are or may be, and where they are located. In such a case I don’t waste my time dowsing. Although I may get the correct answer, more then likely I will just get the answer I want or believe is true. In such a case I take my problem to another dowser who has no clue what my case is about. Again, I can be sure the result I get will be 80 plus percent right.

          This explains James Randi’s high success rate disproving dowsers. The dowsers tested had a personal interest in being proven RIGHT…they had skin in the game and a ego to satsify. They bombed and looked like idiots. I loved the way Randi just leaves them to look like dicks in front of an audience. No need for him to rub it in.

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  16. Alan Foster

     /  27th October 2020

    Watched The Trump Show (part two) last night. He’s certainly dodged a lot of bullets over the past 4 years. Saw Cohen on a BBC interview a week or so ago & he really ripped into Trump calling him “Ignorant & arrogant” at least 10 times. Tillerson doesn’t think much of him as well “Doesn’t read reports, doesn’t listen to anyone, He’s a f*****g moron”
    HOWEVER, a friend of mine says that Trump will win the election with a landside, taking 50 of the 52 Collage votes. We have a beer as the bet.
    What do you guys think?
    PS – Pete, come back

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    • Corky

       /  27th October 2020

      Hard one for me to call, Alan. Although when Biden started calling Trump, Bush, i knew who I would be voting for if I was a Yank.

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  17. Corky

     /  28th October 2020

    I wonder what would have happened to the cop, if the offenders who shot at her decided to carry on shooting while moving towards her?

    She would have been shot to death. She may have had a gun in the boot, but what use would that have been?

    Arm the police NOW! And bring police numbers up so no officer is in a patrol car by themselves.

    I betting given this cop hasn’t had appropriate training, she will resign from the police.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/429216/police-officer-shot-at-in-northland-we-are-very-lucky-that-they-were-not-seriously-injured

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    • Corky

       /  28th October 2020

      Police officers have reiterated on talkback that they only get one days firearms training each year( 6-8 hours). Most who have rung in, including ex coppers, want the police armed.

      I can’t see it happening under this present government, when you have liberal mediocrities in the mix like Andrew Little ,Andrew Coster and Stu Nash.

      Only a matter of time before another cop is blown away.

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  18. Alan Wilkinson

     /  28th October 2020

    Had a chuckle today at complaints about cultural appropriation. How much cultural appropriation have these idiots done themselves, I wonder?

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  19. Alan Wilkinson

     /  28th October 2020
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    • Corky

       /  28th October 2020

      No3 is a biggy for me. I know enforcement agencies like Border Control will be praying Biden loses, otherwise it’s back to ‘Obama like days’ when they were hamstrung by the federal government in the execution of their duties.

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    • Fight4nz

       /  29th October 2020

      He left out the only thing I would rate, and that is the China trade war. But because I don’t follow hat closely I can only hope he reality matches the hype.
      The other thing of note, from the comments section, is that dismal nonsense that is so often the refrain of the right that they are somehow under a wave of leftist or woke oppression. Completely ignoring thousands of years of pre- democracy history and the vast majority of post democracy spent with the right holding power. A lot of deeply ingrained privilege to threaten, no wonder the yelping is so loud at the merest suggestion of even a minor behavioural change for the benefit of someone else.

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    • Alan Foster

       /  29th October 2020

      Alan – another comment re Trump.
      Someone asked “Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?”
      Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:
      “A few things spring to mind.
      Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.
      For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.
      So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.
      Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever.
      I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.
      But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.
      Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.
      And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.
      There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.
      Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.
      Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.
      And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.
      Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.
      He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.
      He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.
      And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.
      That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.
      There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.
      So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
      * Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
      * You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.
      This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.
      After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.
      God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.
      He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.
      In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.
      And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:
      ‘My God… what… have… I… created?
      If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.”

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      • Corky

         /  29th October 2020

        That writer is good. Not much there that isn’t true. All I would say is a conclusion usually follows the facts in a report…not some facts. That’s always a problem when the terms of reference is written by the reports author.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  29th October 2020

        @AF, that’s tedious claptrap and I am afraid the author is an idiot. Trump isn’t running to be someone”s friend or idol, he is running for President. What matters is what he does, not what he is. Farrar’s list is entirely focused on his actions and record. That spiel is entirely focused on his personality – or at least his perceived public persona. True or false it is irrelevant which is why he will likely win again.

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      • Fight4nz

         /  29th October 2020

        @AF as you can see from these 2 responses you have the age old problem that you can lead old donkeys to water but you can’t make them think.

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  20. Corky

     /  28th October 2020

    A spanner in the works of the Dems and Republicans? Or business as usual? I don’t really care, as long as blacks aren’t voting for their Democrat slave masters.

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  21. If anyone thought that Megan Woods’ bossy forcing the powercos to stop having discounts and lower the prices had had little, if any, effect on their power bill, they were right. MBIE has discovered that the powercos have simply upped some prices to compensate for the enforced cuts to others. Any difference is minimal, and with the discount now gone, we are paying MORE

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  22. Corky

     /  29th October 2020

    Blazer was fond of telling us about the ‘sweat shops’ in Asia. Da fillfy witch exploiting poor people…paying them a pittance. What many ‘screaming head’ socialists failed to realise was everything is relative.

    Post Covid, how are things looking for these ‘sweat shop’ workers? Not good according to a radio interview I heard. Some workers are actually starving.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/19/coronavirus-worsened-the-reality-for-bangladesh-garment-workers.html

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    • Fight4nz

       /  30th October 2020

      In this attempt to cast the left in a negative light, why have you cited an example of the ruthless, exploitative nature of capitalism, which will simply leave its workers to die if it suits them?

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      • Corky

         /  30th October 2020

        Case in point…you can get your head around what I’m talking about, but your idealogy precludes you from accepting reality…even when people ar DYING!

        It’s a pity we can’t interview the workers involved and see what they think of capitalism.

        Of course, capitalism has given you a full belly, so this argument is just academic to you.

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        • Fight4nz

           /  30th October 2020

          So you suggest it’s Socialism’s fault that those people are DYING?

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          • Corky

             /  31st October 2020

            No, I’m suggesting capitalism gave these people an income and a life,
            However, you don’t see it that way because socialism sees this arrangement as exploitation. From a 1st world perspective it is. But I doubt these exploited workers see it that way. Kai on the table, and the bills paid.

            Like I said, things are relative. The trouble is Socialists think they have this God given right to speak on behalf of the poor and disadvantaged. As America is showing, such folk are waking up to this bs.

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        • Fight4nz

           /  30th October 2020

          “ capitalism has given you a full belly“
          Wrong. Capitalism gives nothing. The only reason I have a full belly is that the power of unions was once, briefly sufficient to level the playing field. Otherwise I would be no better of than those Bangladeshis, as it was across the western world for centuries for all but the elite.

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          • Corky

             /  31st October 2020

            Very debatable…as Labour’s actions in the 80s proved when they had to save NZ from socialism ( the extent is debatable). They started with that landed gentry…farmers.

            https://www.odt.co.nz/lifestyle/magazine/rude-awakening

            The thing is, society moved on, with or without unions. You may argue that unions provided a template for how workers should be treated, and that capitalism needed to provide some basic worker entitlements in order to survive.That’s a moot point as far as I’m concerned.

            ”Wrong. Capitalism gives nothing.”

            That could easily be disproved by businesses( what will be LEFT of them) and the fillfy witch going on strike. Always remember the only reason the rich and poor get out of bed each morning is because of self interest. Thank God for that.

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  23. Corky

     /  30th October 2020

    I support President Trumpy because the minute he gained power he tried to stop Muslim immigration. He failed because too many of his fellow countrymen are idiots.

    France has until now also had naive politicans who have failed to address the Muslim problem. That has cost the innocent their lives. Let’s hope the worm has turned, and France will be ruthless with Muslims who won’t accept Western ways.

    The West has bigger problems to work on instead of pandering to animals who don’t belong in our realm.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-5472995

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    • Your referring to people as animals is a gross insult. Do you call the many Muslim doctors, nurses, teachers and dentists here animals ? If your life was saved by a Muslim, would you call them an animal ? What about the ones here who risked their lives to be interpreters in (Afghanistan?) and only asked for a safe haven in NZ in exchange ?

      Were the 51 murder victims here animals or was their killer one ?

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      • I can’t believe that two people were so dead to decency that they agree that the 51 murdered Muslims were animals. Or that they think that the many doctors here are animals, not to mention the UN interpreters who assisted NZ and risked their own lives by doing so.

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    • Fight4nz

       /  31st October 2020

      Keeping out the Muslim Bangladeshi sweat shop workers you seemed to be so concerned about a moment ago, or does your ideology preclude you from accepting reality?

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      • Corky

         /  31st October 2020

        I see no hypocrisy or contradictions in my comments. You are free to expand on your question.

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        • Fight4nz

           /  31st October 2020

          And that’s the nub of it right there. Nearly every post riddled with self contradiction. So many and varied responses spelling out these self contradictions. Futilely. Is it complete obliviousness, pigeon chess, or a troll’s troll.
          Enough.

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          • Corky

             /  31st October 2020

            Like I said, please expand on your comments. Seems to me you realise on second looks it’s you who is playing pigeon chess

            ”Enough!!!!” Yeah, Right. You wouldn’t be saying that if you had the upper hand.

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  24. Corky

     /  30th October 2020

    Referendum results as most people predicted. Probably stay the same on the final count.

    One things for sure, fanatics, especially dope heads, are not going to give up until Dak is legalised. Maori have dodged at bullet, so to speak.

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    • Fight4nz

       /  30th October 2020

      Surely dak should be handled in the free market? Government control will get it wrong (and don’t forget waste tax payers money).

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      • Griff.

         /  31st October 2020

        Maori have dodged at bullet, so to speak.

        Yessss there is no cannabis in NZ because it is illegal .
        ///sarc///

        We already have one of the highest usage rates in the world .
        Cannabis is easy to buy you just are forced to use the black market .
        A vote for no was simply a vote to continue financing criminal gangs.

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        • Corky

           /  31st October 2020

          ”Maori have dodged at bullet, so to speak.

          Yessss there is no cannabis in NZ because it is illegal .
          ///sarc///”

          Sarc?!!! I would never have guessed.

          ”Cannabis is easy to buy you just are forced to use the black market.”

          That’s not quite true. You may be surprised to know, depending on the gang, that they won’t serve children. Some networks only sell to selected customers. Others sell only to people that can be vouched for. You see, there are idiots who sell drugs, and others who put some thought into the process. You can either sell to anyone; make a shiteload of many, then get caught; lose everything and go to jail. We have seen these idiots on the news…living in middleclass suburbs with a$500,000 Porsche parked in the driveway.

          Or, you can make less money ( per week), but overall make millions more by being very careful. I know such a network that has been operating for 15 years. The boss woman drives an upmarket Holden and lives in a very ordinary middleclass home.
          She of course goes on many trips to other parts of NZ, where she enjoys her exotic homes and cars.

          So, yeah, dak is readily available..but not as available as you think. Of course, if it’s legalised, young Maori will be able to grow their own without fear. They will be able to supply the young bros who haven’t got green fingers. Of course, that may cause tensions at schools amongst the sellers. Hell, there may be stabbings over who supplies what schools.

          Intellectual understanding v reality….there’s a world of difference.

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      • Corky

         /  31st October 2020

        Quite true. I would have voted in favour. I was just reiterating…Maori have dodged a bullet. Trust me, I know. I get the sense you areen’t familiar with the term ”dak?”

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        • Griff.

           /  31st October 2020

          ROFL
          Southside bro.
          Ever done the tinny house hunt corky ?
          You know drive around the streets and ask random people wheres the tinny house bro?
          I have been a part of the NZ drug culture since the 1970’s and you think you can lecture me about it ? Yet again you show you have no idea at all about anything.

          All the no vote has done is insure the ongoing profits of gangs.
          Maori get arrested for pot at a far greater rate than whites .
          About 60% of cannabis convictions are of Maori.
          Not because more of them smoke because Prohibition laws are used by racist cops to disadvantage Maori .
          Maori did not “dodge a bullet” they just got fresh rounds loaded into the chamber

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          • Corky

             /  31st October 2020

            Just a little overdone trying to prove yourself, Griff. No, I have never done a tinny house hunt. That’s too dnagerous. What if the house is under survilance?
            Ever wonder why all those Maoris get caught? Many even turn up to these tinny houses in their own vechicles.

            ”Not because more of them smoke because Prohibition laws are used by racist cops to disadvantage Maori .

            Bullshit!!!

            BTW…if you see Zedd in your travels, tell him to stop by. I want his mana.

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            • Of course people turn up in their own vehicles. What do you expect ? Charter buses ?

              I lived in an ordinary middle-class street where the house opposite was a tinny house. It was obvious because people would drive up, one would go in and be out in a few minutes. This wasn’t proof, of course, but the children being seen carrying the plants around was. The house looked like any other ordinary house, nothing about it broadcast what it was.

    • seer

       /  2nd November 2020

      Are you saying maoris are too stupid too handle the effects of dak, Corky?

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  25. Corky

     /  30th October 2020

    Last words from a woman dying of stab wounds in France, inflicted by a Muslim terrorist:

    ”Tell my children I love them.”

    Why are no officials held accountable? Likewise in NZ. No police officer is held accountable for issuing the terrorist, Tarrant, with a firearms license.

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    • According to you, the Muslims murdered by Tarrant were animals by virtue of being Muslim, so how do you make him a terrorist ?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  31st October 2020

        How do I feel about Muslims? Ambivalent at best. I have no respect for their religion as it seems to have no respect for anyone else’s. I don’t see any Muslim country that treats its own people well and certainly none that I would wish to live in. The culture seems to have an element of aggressive intolerance that is easily aggravated into mad murderous atrocities and in turn stimulates the same in response.

        In short, the world would be a better place without it.

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        • Corky

           /  31st October 2020

          My sentiments exactly: This stands out:

          ”The culture seems to have an element of aggressive intolerance that is easily aggravated into mad murderous atrocities.”

          Exactly. One thing I have a problem getting through to people is just because a Muslim community is peaceful and docile, doesn’t mean it will stay that way.

          Simply equating what Muslims believe and practice should show any idiot with half a brain that these people can NEVER be part of our society, no matter how peaceful and law abing they are at present.

          I have no beef with any Muslim. If they are obeying the law, then I will respect them like any other. However, we should not allow anymore into our country. It must be remembered many Muslims have declared war on the West. They cannot, under any circumstance, be trusted in MY OPINION.

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          • There have been terrible things done in the name of all religions by the fanatical element in them; Christianity’s record is nothing to be proud of.

            To assume that all members of a religion are like the extremists is idiotic. Do you think that all Christians are like Jack ? Or like the Ruby Ridge nutters or even Gloriavale ? If people from another culture thought that all Christians were like Gloriavale, one would think them incredibly ignorant.

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            • Jack

               /  1st November 2020

              Perhaps there are readers who need my perspective –

              The various denominations of Christianity each look to Jesus Christ as the Saviour and to varying degrees revere him as God. The Holy Spirit reveals this truth to each believer, day by day. A Christian views God as his Father and Jesus as his best friend. Jesus was a real man, and he is God.
              Christianity is a cult. Confusion. But a Christian may participate in that cult, free in Christ. The Christian belongs to the body of Christ (the Church). Not all Christians belong to the demanding and confusing religion of Christianity. Many are free. Many are becoming free.

              The various ‘denominations’ of Islam each revere their prophet to varying degrees. All view it as blasphemy to even depict him with a picture. All Islam adherents are very easily offended. They view the prophet as sacred, yet claim that they worship the one true God. (Wouldn’t God be the most sacred?) Confusion. Islam is a cult. Every Muslim belongs to the demanding and confusing religion called Islam.

              Of course, every Christian is like Jack. All a Christian is, is an individual who puts just a tiny amount of faith in Jesus Christ. That’s why Christians have no need to be easily offended. They know that their God is powerful and loving enough to cope with minions who mock Him or who dare to depict Him in art-forms, or who unfairly censor, or who get bothered by the mention of the cross.

              The Christian has God (Love) living in him, no matter how small the measure of trust that individual is willing to put in Jesus Christ. The Muslim has Allah somewhere, away and distant, and unreachable except through martyrdom and various forms of violence (yes, even the ‘peaceful’ Muslims).

              Certainly, Christianity’s record is nothing to be proud of. You’re either a Christian or you’re not, and it’s very easy, not at all like Christianity has taught us.

              Christianity has many imposters – some fanatics and extremists, some worldly cult artists. A Christian is safe regardless. The denomination-less ones are the happiest and serve in their communities so that people of every race and creed may live in secular harmony.

              I also find it difficult to trust Muslims. I know that their prophet is not true (Jesus was the last prophet), and to have people in NZ who demand that we respect their prophet for the sake of their feelings seems very un-Kiwi. I also wish to see our Muslim numbers stay small. When religious groups demand that their mental health be protected by curbing everyone’s freedom of expression, we are allowing fear to rule us.

              A Christian is religion free. It’s the only way to live as a Christian, although you are free to join any cult slides of your choosing at any time. I think that Kiwi Christians can go on the offensive. If we don’t, the fear we experience now will be much bigger for the next generations.

              The Christian goes on the offensive in small ways. It’s always enough – God is kind.
              One of the things I hope for is that Muslims may see the Christians choose chastity. Sex is always the biggest issue with religion. As Christians we are free, but have we learnt yet that we are not free to sin? It would help our Kiwi Muslim girls and boys if they could see that Christians also favour keeping sex for marriage.

              We need to cherish our Judeo Christian laws, although the Christian only has one law – Love.

              There is a confusing irony in NZ these days – Christians who hold fast to their denomination yet practise ecumenism, thus falling short of their denomination’s declared doctrines and being luke-warm. Some of these Christians are even falling for the lie that God and Allah are the same, or should be afforded the same measure of respect. They are so desperate to ‘belong’ that they exude a murkiness about what a Christian is. These Christians pander to the Muslims, which makes me cringe.

              One Christian told me recently that our Muslims also “have a cross to bear”
              Only a Christian has a cross to bear. The cross is not anything to get offended by, although people do. That fellow who said that Muslims also carry their crosses was being stupid, trying to ‘include’ Muslims in the Christian’s spiritual experience. What a nonsense.

              I certainly would never wish to involve myself in the Muslim’s confusing spiritual experience.

          • That is hogwash even by your standards.

            Respect doesn’t mean revere. If you don’t respect someone’s views, you can’t demand that they respect yours.

            Your idea that Christianity is a cult is bizarre; why are you a member of a religion you believe to be a cult. And you call Muslims’ spirituality confusing ! Try reading the Koran. The idea that Allah is only reachable through martyrdom and violence is as stupid as thinking that Christians can only reach God by these means.

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        • seer

           /  2nd November 2020

          Alan, I completely agree with your views about Islam/Muslims. Hopefully those who hope for a flourishing future for Islam in NZ are disappointed.

          Reply
          • You seem not to realise that the NZ ones are here to escape extremism, not promote it and that the only Muslim killings here were them being killed by an Australian loony, not them doing anything to anyone else. Or have you not heard of the Christchurch massacre ?

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            • seer

               /  2nd November 2020

              Kitty, I think I understand now why commenters get pissed off with your responses. You do make incorrect assumptions.

              Have you heard of the frequenters to the mosque in Chch that the SIS et al would have been keeping under a close watch? Google can probably help you.

              What about Syrian refugees who came here and then engaged in anti-Assad activities – trying to escape extremism, not promote it????

              Below AW writes “Some Muslims have a working brain, some don’t.” I guess that can be said of nonmuslim commenters too.

            • Yes,the SIS will put the names, location and/or other details of those under surveiilance for ANY reason on google…I DON’T think.

              It’s ‘frequenters OF…not frequenters TO.’

              We know that some of the NZ Muslims were UN interpreters who risked their lives; it was well documented. They appealed to the then PM, John Key and were let in. Many settled in Hamilton.

              Two of the most dishonest, unedifying people I know are Syrian, but I don’t assume that all Syrians are like this. These people are supposedly Christian, but I don’t think that all Christians are like that, either.

              The fact that there are bad people among any group doesn’t mean that they are all like that.

        • Patzcuaro

           /  2nd November 2020

          Birds of a feather will flock together.

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  26. Corky

     /  31st October 2020

    Brave half Aussie girls runs from abuse.

    Quotes from clip:

    13:32 – It’s not secret in our community. It may be secret to the eyes of the rest of the Australian community.

    23:42 – No Western PIG government will tell me how to raise my daughters. If it comes to it I will slit your mothers throat and I will slit yours.

    * Anyone believe this chap is joking? This prick is living back in Aussie.

    27:29 – Run for your LIFE. Australia has woman’s rights.

    I wish this brave woman all the best. She deserves it considering what she went through.

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  27. Corky

     /  31st October 2020

    Labour offers Greens a confidence and supply deal. Let’s hope the Greens rank and file reject this offer.

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    • Corky

       /  31st October 2020

      Apparently not.

      Reply
      • Dream on. The PM needs to keep them on her side and has offered them the half loaf that’s better than no bread. She has gone as far as she can without actually breaking her word.She may find that this is like the story of the old man and the donkey who tried to please everyone and pleased no one.

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  28. Corky

     /  1st November 2020

    Work this out…if you can. And that’s my problem with Islam..you just don’t know..it’s impossible to quantify. I love the woman who said things are ”relative.’ I had trouble explaining that to Fight4nz.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/123197239/new-zealand-ranked-the-most-islamic-country-in-the-world-in-annual-index

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  2nd November 2020

      Some Muslims have a working brain, some don’t. Many of those with working brains have escaped Muslim countries for a better life. Unfortunately they have taken some of the others with them. More unfortunately, most have not worked out that that better life is dependent on not being Muslim and haven’t found a route to get there.

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  29. Corky

     /  1st November 2020

    Old Greens calling the present mob sell outs. I agree. Is a new Green organisation in the pipeline? How delicious. Meanwhile, the Greens are tied to Labour. That allows ACT many avenues of attack, starting with ”what’s changed for the Greens apart from nothing.”

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  30. Alan Wilkinson

     /  2nd November 2020

    Visited a friend on Saturday who has suffered a serious illness and is trying to build what he needs very modestly on his property. The bureaucracy of course does not give a damn and the resource consent arm of the Stasi keeps inventing new ways to obstruct and add costs. It’s clear the Labour “reform” of the RMA will simply add to its bureaucratic powers and centralisation because no Labour MPs have the slightest idea of the real problems it causes, let alone a sensible plan for tackling them. More collateral damage from Jacindamania.

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  31. Corky

     /  2nd November 2020

    Labours new cabinet has been announced. This has to be a joke, surely????

    1- Nanaia Mahuta. Minister of Foreign Affairs.
    2-David Parker. Sorry, farmers. This guy is out to destroy you.
    3- Poto WillIams; Minister of Police.

    Wiki:
    ” In May 2017, Williams suggested removing the presumption of innocence afforded to alleged perpetrators of sexual assault.”

    On one hand this is bad news for NZ. On the other, it’s gold for the RIGHT. Dave Seymour is already laying into Labour. This is delicious.

    In Mahuta’s case…thank God for Covid. I just cannot see any State taking Mahuta seriously.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/11/jacinda-ardern-s-new-cabinet-who-s-promoted-who-keeps-their-role-and-who-is-pushed-down-the-line.html

    Reply
    • I would NEVER be glad of Covid and the appalling misery caused, but why anyone would give Nanaia that job is beyond me (I know people who know her, and she is not renowned for being a hard working MP. She doesn’t have to be, she’s there because of who she is, a Mahuta)

      She’ll be an embarrassment.

      One of the Green List MPs won’t take the oath of allegiance, so won’t be able to take a seat in Parliament. Did he not know about this before ?

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    • duperez

       /  2nd November 2020

      “Ms (Poto) Williams said many victims of rape do not report it because they have little faith in the justice system.

      She said the country needed to have a discussion about how to address that power imbalance.

      Christchurch East Labour Party candidate Poto WilliamsChristchurch East Labour Party candidate Poto Williams Photo: LABOUR PARTY
      “Now, I know that runs up against ‘innocent until proven guilty’, and that would be one of the issues that we’d really have to consider long and hard, but I’m of the view that we have to make some changes.”

      Poto Williams said she didn’t yet know how the policy would be implemented.

      “I don’t pretend to have the legal nous in which to do this, but I’m comfortable that there is a way that we can work our way through this.

      “But at the end of the day we cannot, in all good conscience, say to victims of rape and sexual abuse, ‘your case will be ignored.’

      “One thing we have to do is find out the numbers of false allegations that have been made, because that will be one of the things people will be really concerned about – that someone who’s falsely accused of sexual abuse will be put through a process that is completely unfair.”

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      • Corky

         /  3rd November 2020

        Facts and mindset…two different things. The last thing police need during this important time is a lame duck liberal police minister.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  3rd November 2020

        It’s basically a thought crime in which usually neither physical nor witness evidence is available or relevant.

        How on earth can a justice system deal with that?

        I’m comfortable that there is a way that we can work our way through this.
        Fatuous.

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        • It’s a worry that the Police Minister has little knowledge of the law. My impression is that in these cases guilt is taken for granted, anyway.

          No one would think that the victim of a rapist who broke in and raped her was a willing partner, and rightly so.

          But in cases like one that’s in court at the moment, it’s anyone’s guess who’s telling the truth. I am inclined to think it’s the man in this case, given that the woman could have left at any moment and her story doesn’t ring true.

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    • David Seymour is not called Dave; it’s very discourteous to give someone a name that they don’t use themselves. Please do him the courtesy of using his correct name.

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  32. Corky

     /  2nd November 2020

    Ngai Tahu is taking the government to court over fresh water rights. What a mess. The government hasn’t been sworn in yet. One news was beside themesleves over gays and Maori in Labours new cabinet. This is a great chance for National to say they operate on talent and skill (??), and not on your parents gentics…or an inidivuals sexual preferences.

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/ngai-tahu-taking-government-court-over-freshwater-rights

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    • duperez

       /  3rd November 2020

      Paint a picture of talent and skill and have Michael Woodhouse and the two hapless Hamilton MPs in it? For two people who have their life histories to be so lacking in understanding and display the bemused befuddlement they’ve shown in the House?

      Hell, and that’s a fair part of their caucus without even
      getting onto their financial genius who is one of their leaders.

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      • Corky

         /  3rd November 2020

        Early days yet. National just need to pace themselves and chip away at Labour like Mikey did this morning with the PM. Of course the PM walked all over Mike with supreme confidence.
        However, that confidence will ebb as the political term advances. Then Mike will have free reign to deliver shot after shot to the hapless Labour Party machine as it crumbles.

        Talking of Mike…I see up and coming All Black Hoskings Sotutu was named after him.

        But of course, like the All Blacks, the RIGHT side of politics is grounded in reality.

        Could you imagine this poor kid being named Gower Sotutu. Of course not. It’s just not RIGHT.

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      • Corky

         /  3rd November 2020

        Hey, Duperez.. Chris Trotter ain’t happy. Does that make him racist?

        https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2020/11/03/a-curates-egg-cabinet-much-of-it-is-bad-parts-of-it-are-excellent/

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        • duperez

           /  4th November 2020

          Trotter can be as unhappy as he likes as often as he likes. If by your perception he occasionally bows at some altar of racism or is in some permanent genuflection there as others are, so be it.

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      • I bet that you don’t know the origin of the expression ‘curate’s egg.’

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  33. Corky

     /  3rd November 2020

    This chap will probably be President soon. President Trumpy’s past political term will then come into sharp focus.

    China, Russia and Islam must be pissing themselves with the prospect of Joe at the helm.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8905253/Election-2020-Joe-Biden-suffers-senior-moments-Michigan-rally.html

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  34. Corky

     /  3rd November 2020

    Western Infidels killed in Western country.

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  35. Corky

     /  3rd November 2020

    Helen Clark and some Maori upset by overseas media description of Nanaia Mahuta.

    What were they expecting? In my opinion Mahuta doesn’t present well. The world doesn’t go gaga over Maori like we do.

    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/matthew-tukaki-backlash-after-overseas-media-highlights-nanaia-mahutas-moko-kauae/

    The blogger mentioned in this interview.

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  36. Daniel Jochems

     /  4th November 2020

    Kia Ora Everyone!
    Attached below is a link to a survey I have made that explores the potential psychological mechanisms responsible for the persisting wealth inequality in New Zealand.
    Any participation would be much appreciated.
    Thanks!
    https://aut.au1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_5oG5h8dgxgWbQmV

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    • Corky

       /  4th November 2020

      A nasty group of people who can never be trusted. Feral with little gratitude. We had a similar case. Some bespectacled liberal do-gooder ( Shooden?) . People put their lives on the line to rescue that prick. And he only showed false gratitude when the media had him on about it.

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  37. Corky

     /  4th November 2020

    Talking of nasty people… Maori are at it again.

    Nanaia Mahuta is playing a sensible game by not commenting. If she commented she would be dragged into the issue. Instead she is leaving it to other Maori and white wokies to deliver utu and fear.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/author-children-receive-violence-death-threats-over-nanaia-mahutas-moko-kauae/EI6ELNK2IJMXWR7GD5YBCJFYPI/

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  38. Corky

     /  9th November 2020

    Let’s see:

    1- The PM must think we are idiots. She said most people wanting to come back for Xmas will be able to do so before Xmas…it’s just they won’t be having Xmas with their families.
    I can tell the PM, Maori will take that situation very seriously. I’m sure it’s a vote loser.

    2- Some hospital workers on strike.

    3- Social activist groups demanding benefits rise again.

    4- Crops rotting in the ground.

    5- Food prices set to skyrocket.

    6- Education sector talking about strikes.

    Happy Xmas Prime Minister. The new year will be a boomer.

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  39. Corky

     /  12th November 2020

    One thing I believe we will continue to experience under this Labour government is continued erosion of property rights. Landlords have been dealt to…and you can bet the supposed RMA reforms will have a sting in the tail for property rights somewhere along the track.

    Property rights make our western civilization superior. It’s ( or should be) the mainspring of our existence. Property rights acknowledge us as individuals, and not just as another member of some group who at best can aspire to use communal land, but never to own or have outright influence over the use of that land.

    In this clip (0.16), you are given examples of what happens when you don’t have property rights.

    As a Libertarian I live in trepidation of what this government may force upon us. If the way landlords have been treated is anything to go by, we have much to fear.

    That of course presupposes the average Kiwi understands the importance of property rights. I have my doubts.

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  40. Corky

     /  12th November 2020

    Bernie lets rip!

    Reply

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