Mass shooting, but so what?

Five dead at a shooting in Mexico in a tourist town, at least one Kiwi present at the night club.

RNZ: Mexico shooting: Five dead in Playa del Carmen music festival nightclub shooting

At least five people have been killed, three of them foreigners, when a gunman opened fire outside the Blue Parrot nightclub in the Mexican resort town of Playa del Carmen during the BPM electronic music festival, police say.

More than 2000 people were said to be in the club at the time of the attack, many of them Australians. The festival is popular with foreign tourists.

In contrast to some shootings there doesn’t seem to have been any jumping to conclusions. Whale Oil hasn’t posted on it and there doesn’t seem to be any mention in comments – they mustn’t care about Mexicans and non-Israeli tourists.

Trump versus Mexico on paying for the wall

A bizarre bunch of tweets from an apparently authentic Twitter account of an ex-president of Mexico, and the president-elect of the United States.

Trump’s Mexican stunt and immigration hard line

Donald Trump visited Mexico to talk to President Enrique Pena Nieto yesterday with an apparent softening of tone on immigration, but flew back to Phoenix and ramped up his hard line immigration rhetoric.

In Mexico Trump tried to look like he could handle foreign diplomacy, but was contradicted by Pena Nieto.

Trump’s speech comes after he met with Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto earlier in the day and asserted America’s “right” to build a border wall during a hastily arranged visit to Mexico City.

While both leaders adopted a measured and respectful tone, with Trump calling it a “substantive, direct and constructive exchange of ideas,” there was disagreement on the question of the wall.

While Trump told reporters “we didn’t discuss payment of the wall,” Pena Nieto later contradicted Trump and said the subject was among those discussed. He also tweeted that he made it clear “that Mexico will not pay for the wall.”

But he came back to the USA and switched back to his tough talk on immigration, which had been wavering over the last week.

Donald Trump, fresh off a hastily arranged visit to Mexico where he met with the country’s president, doubled down Wednesday night on his vow to build a “great wall” along the southern border — and make Mexico pay for it — while outlining a more focused mission for the deportation force he’s promised to create.

In a speech in Phoenix meant to clarify his immigration positions after appearing to soften his stance, the Republican presidential nominee outlined a hardline set of proposals for tackling illegal immigration. He did not, however, definitively call for removing all illegal immigrants in the country.

Rather, Trump vowed to focus first on deporting the estimated 2 million “criminal aliens” on day one, while also prioritizing certain groups like gang members and visa overstays for removal. He said, though, that any illegal immigrant could be subject to deportation under his administration.

“There will be no amnesty,” he said, adding that no illegal immigrant would be legalized without first leaving and coming in through the front door.

“For those here illegally today, who are seeking legal status, they will have one route and one route only. To return home and apply for reentry like everybody else under the rules of the new legal immigration system I outlined above,” he said.

Trump said that America’s current immigration system “serves the needs of wealthy donors, political activists and powerful politicians.”

“Let me tell you who it does not serve, it does not serve you the American people. It doesn’t serve you,” he said.

So Trump is targeting his core support, the anti-immigrant anti-establishment demographic. He may have reassured them but it could work against widening his appeal.

Amid rumors he was considering softening his trademark position on building a wall on the southern border, Trump made his position very clear.

“We will build a great wall along the southern border,” he said to cries of “build the wall” from the boisterous crowd. “And Mexico will pay for the wall.”

He later said the wall would be “impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful.”

How will he get Mexico to pay for the wall? Visit their President and not talk about it?

Quotes from Fox News: Trump doubles down on ‘impenetrable, physical’ wall during immigration speech

But the Washington Examiner points out that things are still unclear – In fiery speech, a hard-to-spot change in Trump immigration plan:

First, Trump’s statement that those here illegally would have “one route and only one route” to legal status seems clear. Everybody seeking legalization would have to leave and then return.

But then, a few short paragraphs later, Trump said that “in several years,” when tough enforcement measures are fully in place — not contemplated, not in the planning stage, but actually up and running — then “we will be in a position to consider the appropriate disposition of those who remain.”

Trump was addressing the illegal immigrants who would choose to stay in this country — that is, non-criminals and those who chose not to return to their home countries and get in line to return to the United States. If those people stayed here, Trump said, then their situation would be debated after all the enforcement measures are in effect. At that time, there would be “different options” available for them.

So Trump is sounding tough but not on all illegal immigrants, apparently. This could be clarified in time, or it could remain confusing.

Fox also have a new poll showing that the election could still be close:


The Real Clear Politics poll average has Clinton on 46.8 and Trump on 41.9.

The influence of Johnson and Stein and those currently supporting them could be pivotal.