Ardern interview on Q&A

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern was interviewed on Q & A on Monday night.

Q+A: Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern interviewed by Corin Dann

Prime Minister doesn’t rule out Huawei having a future role in NZ’s 5G network

The Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is not ruling out Huawei having a future role in New Zealand’s 5G upgrade, if the GCSB’s security concerns can be mitigated.

In an interview with TVNZ’s Q+A programme tonight she said: “That’s exactly the situation we’re in right now. The GCSB’s gone back and sought that mitigation. That is independent of us. And I do hold confidence in the process that was established by the last Government.”

She also rejected any risk that New Zealand would be kicked out of the Five Eyes network if Huawei was allowed provide services here.

Prime Minister was confident New Zealand’s relationship with China has changed.

“Foreign Affairs does not stand still. There have been issues that have arisen over the past 12 months. We have consistently applied New Zealand’s independent foreign policy as we have tackled each of them.”


Little’s wink-wink comments on rolling over for Winston

Andrew Little was interviewed on Q & A this morning about Labour’s position on the Northland by-election.

This section sums up his repeated position:

ANDREW Willow-Jean is an excellent candidate. She was the first nomination in. Ours was the first campaign launched. She is going to be in that campaign talking about the issues that matter not just to Labour folks but to Northlanders – about the roads, about jobs, about health and those things that really matter. She’s going to be carrying on her campaign. I’ll will be there supporting her, as will others. But, in the end, by-elections come down to—you know, the voters have one vote. It comes down to if they want to send a message to the government, they are going to have to work out how best to do that.

HEATHER Okay, this is quite a change of position, because at the outset, you said you were not going to pull your candidate at all. You were supporting Willow-Jean Prime. So what is going on here? Are you being more realistic now?

ANDREW We are not pulling our candidate, and we are backing Willow-Jean Prime. In the end, it’s for the voters of Northland to be realistic.

Little is already on record saying it’s unrealistic to expect Labour can win the election.

In the interview he kept saying he supported the Labour BUT… – like this:

ANDREW As the Labour Party leader, I would like a Labour MP up there if I possibly could, but we have not won it for decades. We have a good, strong candidate in Willow-Jean. The polling shows that she’s running third. The two latest polls show that.

It’s obvious he is strongly hinting the voters should “be realistic”.

So it looks like Little and Labour are settling for coming a distant third in the hope that an MP from another party who won’t  commit to anything in return.

It was always going to be awkward for Labour but they have chose to roll over for Peters – with the realistic expectation of coming out of the by-election with nothing for themselves.

And the ‘long game” is at best far from certain with Peters, with the down side being that Peters loses and Labour lose badly.

Transcript of the whole section of the interview.

Q + A
Episode 2

HEATHER Good morning, Andrew Little. What is your reaction to that poll?

ANDREW Yeah, it’s very interesting. I mean, there are a couple of polls now that have shaped up that are showing clearly that Winston Peters is polling very strongly in the electorate. In the end, these things– By-elections are unusual beasts anyway, and things that would not happen in a general election can happen. In the end, it’s up to the voters of Northland to decide if they want to send a message to the government. They are going to have to back who they think is best able to do that and who is most likely to win.

HEATHER Are you telling voters to back Winston Peters?

ANDREW I’m not telling voters anything. We have got a candidate in the race, Willow-Jean Prime. Willow-Jean is a very strong candidate. She is somebody who Labour wants in Parliament sooner rather than later. But this is a Northland by-election. People have got one vote. They are going to have to decide. If they want to send a message to the government that they are sick and tired of being neglected, then they are going to have to pick who they want to get that message through.

HEATHER And is that person Willow-Jean Prime?

ANDREW That is up to the voters of Northland to decide. There are three…

HEATHER Andrew, you sound very much like you are saying that voters should support Winston Peters.

ANDREW I am saying it is up to the voters of the Northland to decide. They are in the heart of the by-election campaign now. They have got another three weeks to go. We know that the National Party is on the ropes now. They will be scrambling everything they can. But by-elections are always an opportunity for voters in that electorate if they want to send a message to a government that they feel neglected by it to do something about it. They are going to have to make a decision about how they do that.

HEATHER Doesn’t sound like you’re backing your own candidate, though, does it?

ANDREW Willow-Jean is an excellent candidate. She was the first nomination in. Ours was the first campaign launched. She is going to be in that campaign talking about the issues that matter not just to Labour folks but to Northlanders – about the roads, about jobs, about health and those things that really matter. She’s going to be carrying on her campaign. I’ll will be there supporting her, as will others. But, in the end, by-elections come down to—you know, the voters have one vote. It comes down to if they want to send a message to the government, they are going to have to work out how best to do that.

HEATHER Okay, this is quite a change of position, because at the outset, you said you were not going to pull your candidate at all. You were supporting Willow-Jean Prime. So what is going on here? Are you being more realistic now?

ANDREW We are not pulling our candidate, and we are backing Willow-Jean Prime. In the end, it’s for the voters of Northland to be realistic.

HEATHER You are being very subtle, though, potentially here, and isn’t this about…? Some voters will need a very clear message. Why don’t you just send them a clear message?

ANDREW They have got a message: they have got a vote; they should use it. And if they want to use that vote to send a message to the government they don’t want to be neglected and overlooked anymore. You know, I have been up there a couple of times in the last few of weeks and looked at the state of those roads. This is State Highway 1, our principal road, the spine of our roading network going through the country, and it is in an appalling state up there because Northland is an electorate that in the decades it’s been represented by a National MP has been neglected. So the voters of Northland have a choice on this occasion. If they want to send a message to the government that they are sick and tired of being neglected, then they have got to exercise their vote accordingly. They are intelligent enough to see, you know, how they can do that.

HEATHER Okay. Let me ask you this question. Would you prefer to have a National Party MP there in Northland or a New Zealand First MP?

ANDREW I would like the voters of Northland to make a good decision.

HEATHER Which would you prefer as the Labour Party leader?

ANDREW As the Labour Party leader, I would like a Labour MP up there if I possibly could, but we have not won it for decades. We have a good, strong candidate in Willow-Jean. The polling shows that she’s running third. The two latest polls show that.

HEATHER So you yourself admit it is a two-horse race. Which of the two would you prefer to win?

ANDREW That’s not for me to choose. That’s for the voters of Northland.

HEATHER Andrew, I am surprised by this, because you are the leader of the Opposition. Surely you would prefer to have another Opposition MP than a government MP?

ANDREW I’m leader of the Labour Party, and my obligation is to the party. We have a candidate in the race, and she’s a good candidate, and she’s somebody who we want in Parliament. I have a duty to back her. But in the end, I want Northlanders to exercise their choice, to see that they could make a difference here. If they want to send a message to the government that we are sick and tired of being neglected, then they know what their choice is. But that is a matter for them. Those who, you know, want to support Willow-Jean, they will carry on supporting her. Those who can see the opportunity to make a difference, they will cast their vote accordingly.

HEATHER I am interested in your relationship with your coalition partners. In the last few weeks, you have had a go at a couple of them. You have booted the Greens off the Intelligence Committee. You have essentially called Winston Peters ‘twilight’, which I think we can read as a little old to be running in Northland. Why are you doing this? Why are you cutting them down to size?

ANDREW I am saying it how I see it. I think that was the right decision to make, no matter the mistake that I made in not notifying the Greens beforehand. Winston has been around in politics 37 years. He is not at the beginning of his career. He’s at the other end of it. There is nothing there particularly unusual with that. When we get into government, we are going to have relationships with coalition partners. It will be the Greens and New Zealand First.

HEATHER Shouldn’t you be working on those relationships now? Because right now there is a perception of disunity, and you guys look like you are too arrogant to be having a relationship with these two.

ANDREW Not at all, because I think you will see that, actually – might not be seen in public – we work very well on forming and developing and maintaining those relationships as much as we can with the Greens and with New Zealand First. We are working very well, by and large, the odd misstep notwithstanding.

HEATHER So you agree that those were missteps?



ANDREW No, hold on. I mishandled the issue about notifying the Greens about the appointment to the Intelligence and Security Committee. I have fronted up to the Greens and said that. My descriptions about Winston and his ability to campaign? Winston is a great campaigner. Of course he is. We know that. The cast-iron law of New Zealand politics is never. underestimate Winston Peters. Nothing to change there in my estimation of him. But we will continue to forge the relationships that we need as we head towards 2017.

Source: Scoop

Harré on forced selling of housing

Laila Harre was on the Q & A panel last Sunday. She made some extraordinary comments about people being forced to be homeless, and considering forcing people with houses deemed to big for them to sell them.

Susan Wood: Do you think Laila that the Reserve Bank is going where politicians fear to tread around property in New Zealand, and certianly in Auckland?

Laila Harre: Well it’s already indicated it wants to go further than the Government wants it to go and that’s why we see these delays in the introduction of controls on lending to the corporate housing buyers to the so-called investors, but these are very large property portfolios who have had opportunity to increase the size of those portfolios as a result of the LVR restrictions on first home buyers.

I think this problem has become way too complicated for people to connect to.

There’s two basic questions we have to answer.

One is do we think that more people should live in their own houses, as Bernard Hickey frames it?

The second is should there be more serious controls on the rental market in terms of the rents that can be charged, and the security of tenancy?

If we could agree on out answer to those two questions there are endless options for controlling this problem.

The problem is that the Government doesn’t know where it stands on those two issues. It doesn’t know whether it wants more people to live in their own houses. It doesn’t know whether it wants to control the environment for renters.

And we have to answer those two questions before we can get into complicated solutions.

It’s not up to the Government to decide if “people should live in their own houses”, people should be able to choose for themselves whether they rent or own/mortgage a house.

I’ve been in and out of home ownership five times due to personal and financial circumstances. Sometimes I have not been able to afford a house or a mortgage, but I have worked back into a position to be able to buy – at one time with interest rates at 18.5%.

Matthew Hooton: I think we all agree don’t we and I think Olly Newland agrees, Loan to Value Ratios are an appalling mechanism, because they’re the ones that attack people getting into their first home.

Laila Harre: Well…I….I don’t agree with that, I mean the evidence is clear that it has helped to reduce price inflation…

Matthew Hooton: How do we know that?

Laila Harre: Well we know it from the data.

I just want to come back to this obsession with the supply issue, because I think this is a massive red herring in coming up with policy.

We are told by various authorities that there is something between five thousand and thirty thousand shortage of houses in Auckland. Now how can you rely on authorities like that. They cannot agree on whether we have five thousand too few houses, or thirty thousand too few houses, that’s a factor of six. I just don’t buy any of this as being people who understand what the problem is.

Meantime plenty of the people who have the third, fourth, fifth house um for renting out are living in large houses with families who’ve left, and we certainly don’t have a shortage of bedrooms in Auckland.

So you know we’ve got to ask ourselves do we tear up our rural environment to allow people to hang on to large properties in the central city areas without dealing you know with…

Susan Wood: You can’t force people out of their homes, if they don’t want to leave their leafy mansions you can’t force them out…

Laila Harre: Well we have actually Susan, we’ve forced thirty thousand families out of homes. That’s the number of New Zealand families who are officially homeless. So we can force people out of their homes.

We’ve just decided we’re not going to touch those who are in positions of power and influence and have political authority…

Matthew Hooton: …I don’t think it’s politically…I don’t think it’s a likely political position for anyone to take that there would be forced sales of people that own their own homes that were deemed too big for them, I think that would be…

Laila Harre: Oh I don’t know, I could be signed up for something like that…

Matthew Hooton: …I’m not sure, I’m not sure that it would gain more than one or two percent of the vote…

Laila Harre: Well I know all about that too Matthew…

Harre will know about gaining one or two percent of the vote.

It is likely to be something she remains familiar with if she thinks that people should be forced to sell their homes if they exceed a Government dictated quota for number of bedrooms or floor area.

Labour’s insidious dirty politics

Labour supporters Deborah Mahuta-Coyle and Robert Reid clashed on a Q & A panel discussion this morning in a display of dirty politics.

Mahuta-Coyle is an ex-Labour candidate – Tauranga electorate and ranked 26 on the Labour list in 2011 –  and Robert Reid is General Secretary of First Union and was prominent in organising the anti-asset sales petition last term.

Dirty politics is spread across the political spectrum to varying degrees. One form of dirty politics is more prevalent on the Labour left – an intolerance of not being ‘left’ enough, an intolerance of different opinions and an intolerance of criticism and an intolerance of questioning of unsubstantiated claims.

It frequently results in Labour Party members or supporters (or potential Labour voters) being attacked, often for not being left enough, with little or no attempt to debate the issues raised. On blogs it’s not unusual for it to be used as an excuse to ban people deemed to be not having the right degree of leftness.

Mahuta-Coyle describes this on Q & A during a discussion on the Labour leadership contest:

Mahuta-Coyle: But Labour has real problems within the party structure itself. , and what I’m saying is this process is gonna be messy but not in a good way, because at the moment there are a lot of members that feel as if the culture of Labour is wrong.

So for example if I hold a different opinion about say what people are calling a fringe issue, and I voice that issue in Labour, I will get attacked, I’ll get slaughtered on social media, I’ll be isolated.

Because even though we talk as a party about being a broad church, in practice it’s actually not real, and that’s the problem…

Reid:But half way though an election campaign you’ll sit on this panel and criticise your own party…

Mahuta-Coyle: Of course I will, the thing is  because give me something to defend…

Reid: …but this is a discipline that La-, this is a discipline that Labour is lacking…

Mahuta-Coyle: Don’t sit there and tell me I’m criticising my party, I am Labour, I will call myself original original Labour, I’m not light blue, I’m not light Green, I’m Labour.

And when I get up here and criticise my party I do so because I want the party to improve, I want it to change and I want it to win. Don’t sit there having a go at me…

Reid: I would do that a few months before an election or now after an election but not in the middle of a campaign.

Mahuta-Coyle: But that’s you, that’s you. For me I was not happy…

Susan Wood: I think we’re seeing as illustrated before the divisions in Labour…

Mahuta-Coyle: Exactly. Yeah because I criticise the party someone has a go.

That was relatively civilised. The example was picked up at The Standard by a long time Labour activist Anne:

Its just a pity no-one told Deborah Mahuta-Coyle on Q&A this morning. Loud and abrasive… she treated Robert Reid with overt hostility and tried to rubbish everything he said despite the pertinent points he was making. She shouted over the top of him and when in response, he brought up her disgraceful critique of Labour half way through the campaign, she did a Pagani and claimed victim status.

A terrible performance so what is she doing there? Together with Josie P, these two are light weights who, more often than not, have no idea what they’re talking about.

Was she another of Matthew Hooton’s “recommendations”?

Josie Pagani has also had a few run ins with The Standard. She is not considered left enough so is labelled right wing (as also happens to me).

David H continued:

If this is the New face of Labour then it’s going to be worse than the last one. Robert did make (when you could hear him) some pertinent points. I hope that she gets hauled up before the powers that be and told to pull her head in. Because tired Labour voters just want the leadership sorted and not another overly loud prima donna starting even more problems.

Colonial Viper (another Labour candidate from 2011):

Deborah Mahuta Coyle works for the oil and gas industry now in PR. Do you need to know more.


As does Josie’s husband and Shearer supporter John Pagani.

Follow the money.



More “Dirty Politics”.

Ironic accusing Mahuta-Coyle of “dirty politics” because of where she works. This was picked up by ‘lurgee’:

Yes, actually. Unless you can actually prove influence or taint, you’re just smearing – engaging in your own little bit of dirty politics.

So they become the target of baseless attack by Anne:

Haven’t read the book have you cos if you had you would not have smeared. Some of us are well informed and have considerable personal experience to draw upon. Something you apparently seriously lack.

‘Lurgee’ responded:

Actually, I bought the book on the day after it was published. I have read the book and re-read it. Closely. And The Hollow Men.

I have commented several times that I see worryingly similar trends hereabouts – the constant denigration of people who have different ideas, the trial-by-rumour seen above, the implacable assumption of right and that the ends justifies the means, the Hollow Men style attempt to infiltrate a party an impose an extremist ideology on it and crush dissent. There are several pint sized whales swimming around this website.

Still, nice to see you doing a Slater yourself, immediately, and stupidly, trying to dismiss an argument with a personal attack.

If CV has proof that Deborah Mahuta Coyle is tainted or acting dishonestly because of her employment, let him present it. Otherwise, it is rumour and hearsay, smearing to silence or discredit alternative opinions. Very, very Dirty Politics.

Not at the level of Whale Oil dirty politics on it’s own but it’s so common – often the default reaction to anyone deemed critical or not left enough – and it is so widespread across the Labour left it’s insidious. It’s a trademark of the most Labour associated blog, The Standard.

The left of left activists of Labour are driving away support – and I know from experience that if you point out the negative nature of this culture of smearing and personal attack and how it’s counter-productive to building a health Labour Party you get banned.

They don’t want to hear, and they don’t want to change.

The rebuilding of unity within Labour and the attracting of new members and more voters will be very difficult, if not impossible. The culture is toxic and probably terminal.

See this exchange with Lynn Prentice yesterday – arrogant, self important and blind to the damage, he is a significant part of through his promotion of the toxic intolerant abusive culture at The Standard.

They are shitting in their own nest and blame everyone and everything else for the decline in support for Labour.

It’s not as in-your-face awful as Whale Oil but it’s at least as widespread and insidious as on the right and the results are a significant part of the damaging dirty politics culture ingrained in Labour, from top to bottom.

Whoever becomes the new Labour leader will have a very difficult job uniting a party riven by dirty politics.

Cunliffe still vague on immigration

Cunliffe was interviewed about immigration on Q & A on Sunday.

I’ve consistently said the same thing every day for the last two weeks, which is, Labour supports a well managed positive steady positive migration flow that is right for our communities.

Not cuts, no. No, I’m saying that with a high level of returning New Zealanders that sustainable flow will have to be set at higher levels than previous rules of thumb, and I have refused at all points to put a number or a target on it.

What we’re saying though that yoyoing migration flows all over the map, and the treasury says that whenever you get above 40,000 net you start having a discernible interest rate impact, that isn’t good for the migrant communities that are all living here, and it’s not good for New Zealanders who are paying mortgages.

The problem is that most of the yoyoing is movements of New Zealanders that can’t be controlled.

So the balance that always has to be struck in migration planning is the need to satisfy the skills needs of our economy and the legitimate humanitarian concerns of family reunion and our refuge commitments, which will not change. Which will not change.

Then getting that right in respect of the overall impact of the flow, and that’s a balancing act, that’s quite right.

Corin, I believe New Zealanders are mature enough to hear the words that are actually being said, not what the Prime Minister is making up, and not what others might have chosen to misinterpret.

Labour supports our migrant communities, we support a positive steady net inflow of migrants to reunify families, contributing to skills shortages being addressed, and to help build a vibrant economy.

What we do not support is a random approach where the current Government leaves it to the market and you end up destablising a lot of things including migrant communities.

“A random approach where the current Government leaves it to the market” is blatantly false claim.  Dann challenges Cunliffe on this.

Corin Dann: But it’s not random is it, that’s not true. They have a points system. They’re not randomly taking people in. Many people find it very difficult to get in here.

Cunliffe avoids responding and switches to something else.

David Cunliffe: I think you will find that even the current Government starts getting very uncomfortable if the numbers keep climbing, and I would challenge, ah, you and others to challenge the Prime Minister about whether there is a number beyond which he believes constraints should be brought to bear.

Corin Dann: To be clear, you’re saying that there is a limit, what, 50, 60 thousand net?

David Cunliffe: I’m not putting a number on it. I’m just saying you have to balance off the need to balance skills, the need for building strong and positive communities.

So Cunliffe avoided when challenged on blatant lie (the random/market  accusation), avoided explaining what numbers he would look at cutting, challenged to media to ask Key what number he thought should initiate restraints but refused to give any numbers himself.

Update: David Farrar at Kiwiblog provides a breakdown of immigration categories and asks So what will Labour cut?

Winston Peters Q & A

Winston Peters opened a Q & A thread yesterday on his Facebook page.

The link to start asking your questions for the Q & A is now open via the tab on my page. Will be back here at 4pm to answer as many as possible.

It wasn’t clear to some that the Q&A was on a different tab on on his page. Questions were posted almost immediately on the timeline page and continued into the evening. Peters didn’t address any of them, but he participated in the Q & A.

Full contents of the Q & A – questions seem to have been filtered, see Peters selective on facing Facebook for unanswered questions and comments.

NZ First: Hi. Winston will be here at 4pm to answer your questions. Please keep them short and to the point – that way he can answer more questions in the time he has available.

Comment From Lydiote xx
Hi Winston, What is your favourite meal after a long day at work? I need dinner ideas!!!

Winston Peters: Lots of greens and fresh fish.

Comment From Bev Stratford
Winston, do you think we should keep giving Assies benifits NZ’S don’t get over there

Winston Peters: Yes we should and seriously work on getting Kiwis in Australia a fair go, like there used to be before people coming to NZ used residency as a bolt hole to get into Australia. The Australians reacted in 2001 as New Zealand First warned they would for a long time before that.

Comment From Karl
Hi Winston, are you running a candidate in the Rangitikei electorate this election?

Winston Peters: Nominations are open, candidates will be announced in due course.

Comment From Lisa Vanderpump
Mr Peters! What is your wine of choice? Rose?

Winston Peters: Depends on what the meal is, lunch or dinner, but preferably something light.

Comment From gillian templeton
the MOE are in discussion with the three special needs schools in chch. as parents and the schools themselves we dont want what they are trying to force on us, can you help?

Winston Peters: Could you send us some details to our education spokesperson, Tracey Martin, and myself?

Comment From Trixie
Hello Winston I think you would be great in a reailty tv show. ever considered it?

Winston Peters: Have you watched Parliament lately? That’s a reality comedy show!

Comment From Deb
Hi, where do you stand on Labour’s idea of Compulsory KiwiSaver for everyone at 9%? Especially if it’s not government guaranteed?

Winston Peters: It’s not Labour’s idea – we have stood for compulsory savings since 1996, offered a referendum on it in 1997 which was sadly defeated. But of course the problem didn’t go away. What we offered back then was a tax cut, which went to personal savings, and long term would have bolstered both the savings of the nation and individuals.

Comment From Luke.
Hello Winston, can I ask is the current government going to be involved with geo engineering programs, ‘ie’ aerosol programs which Australia, UK, America to name a few are hammering these programs now. Or typically do the government members not like discussing this topic?

Winston Peters: That’s a fair subject and other countries have reacted to scientific concerns and we should be much further down the track on this debate than we are.

Comment From Bevan
Kia Ora Winston, How does NZ First engage with ethnic communities in NZ? What strategies does NZ First have in place to empower leadership and innovation in our youth?

Winston Peters: All communities are ethnic, and the importance is that that is respected. Fundamentally, we all come from different backgrounds, trying to create one country where we feel that our values and principles are respected by the law.

Comment From Chelsea
what do u think has caused the housing bubble in auckland and what would you do 2 try and fix it. is it fixable?

Winston Peters: Lack of supply of housing against exaggerated demand from high immigration and offshore buying without having to even live here. We will never get on top of this until we address housing demand against affordable housing supply. What would we do – it’s on our website – you’ll see our policy towards landbanks, low interest loans and ability to afford a house at no higher than 30 per cent of weekly income as a benchmark.

Comment From J. Cooper
.what options do you propose to get out of the “eggs in one basket” economy that is causing huge issues, not just in the widening economic disparities but also to the future of our environment.

Winston Peters: We have seriously got to add value to far more of our primary resources before exporting. Second, give real substance to import substitution with a proactive buy NZ policy and third, provide the real taxation and depreciation incentives for the new IT and other industries to emerge and compete and survive long term.

Comment From Elle Bruce
Good afternoon Mr Peters, My concern is mainly around CYFs and its appalling dealings with Foster children, What avenues are open to improve this tragic service and hold CYF workers more accountable for their poor performance and ‘passing the buck’ attitude.

Winston Peters: There are clearly are too many problems emerging and that may point to systemic failures within CYFS. We can set out to fix the system up but we will do much better if we can stabilise families with their income from first world jobs and wages, and be intolerant of citizens who neglect or are violent to their spouse or child.

Comment From Daniel
Would you be able to give us an idea of what would most likely be in the NZ First tax policy, or if not is there a specifc date when the policy will be announced? Regards

Winston Peters: The policy will be out before too long because we have spent a lot of time working on it, we are confident it will be both appropriate and responsible and result in a far more prosperous economy and much higher incomes per person. We are going to send real signals to the industries and people that can change NZ’s future for the better, rather than just tax breaks for our mates.

Comment From Lorraine Taylor
What will you policy be on ‘government funding for Epipens and Anapens’ should you get voted in, in the next election ?

Winston Peters: I apologise for not being as informed on this subject to the degree you would like, but I will get up to speed. Our health spokesperson Barbara Stewart would be the best person to contact, but if you’ve got any information you’d like me to have, please send it to me.

Comment From Richard
Would NZ First put in place a capital gains tax on residential houses ?

Winston Peters: No.

Comment From Jan McKeogh
What do think about John Key and his promise not to touch superannuation, presumably this includes the scandalous theft of overseas pensions?

Winston Peters: I don’t trust that promise cos many of the National Party’s financial backers are leading the charge for that to happen right now as are members of his caucus. They broke their word in 1991 on the surtax and then attacked Super 1 October 1998.

Comment From Guest
Hi Winston.. I believe you are against the signing of the TTP.. if you are in power what will you do to prevent this happening without at least being disclosed as to content.. and a quick second where do you and your party stand on the current Food Bill being put to parliment at the moment? Thanks

Winston Peters: We support the Food Bill because people need much more information to be wise consumers. We’re against the current settings of the TPP debate because a) no information has been given out to parliamentarians b) we suspect that it could serious damage to some of our primary production and c) enable multinationals to attack New Zealand’s sovereignty on commercial issues. In short, if it’s so good, why not tell the people the facts ?

Comment From Leah
Hi Winston i would like to know what your party main priority will be and if you will guarantee you will not go back on your word should you get a seat and be part of the new government.

Winston Peters: We don’t need to get a seat to get back into parliament. Although I’ve received countless criticisms about past negotiations, not one critic can put up one fact to prove that I broke my word after the election from that given pre-election. NZF is a democratic party and we make these decisions as a party, having regard to those who voted for us.

Comment From Morgan Le Quesne
Morgan Le Quesne Winston, please can you tell what the official average income is and does superannuation really reflect that. Does it work on gross or net income?

Winston Peters: Super works on net average income and the average income sadly appears to vary according to who is giving out the statistics. To be honest, it’s probably around 38-39,000 at the moment and 70 per cent of New Zealanders don’t even get that.

Comment From Ben
With the recent publicity on legal highs have Nz first’s opinions changed in regards to cannabis reform, it’s sounding more and more people are pro cannabis now

Winston Peters: Our views on cannabis have always been to hold a referendum. Let the people decide and we can live with what the majority decide.

Comment From Guest
My question is will you continue to challenge Gerry Brownlee over the reprehensible behaviour of EQC. It has long been apparent that Ian Simpson has long had a perverse agenda to reduce payouts,with the result thousands of Canterbrians continue to suffer both financially and emotionally.

Winston Peters: We most certainly will. Because Cantabs have suffered from not receiving in time the money that was due to them for repairs.

Comment From Ashleigh Sidney
Hi Winston, What will you do to help us Kiwis in Australia?

Winston Peters: The best I can, but remember who warned from 1996 onwards to the consequences of massive immigration to NZ. Back then of course, they were all shouting racist and xenophobe. Now they’ve come to their wits, they haven’t got the decency to say we were right after all. But we would deal firmly with the Australian government our social ANZAC pact. But the best thing to do is for yourself and the 300,000 other NZ’ers in Australia to vote and remember the party that has the record on this!

Comment From David S
What is more appealing to NZF – being with differently-orientated/aligned parties in government (with an influence on legistlation), or in the opposition with more like-minded parties?

Winston Peters: Great question. It’ll depend on policies announced over the next four months by various political players and what the people and the party thinks of them.

Comment From Alan
Is it likely that the Supers could be increased to 70% of average earnings

Winston Peters: We returned Super to its highest at 66% of the net average wage and then bought in the SuperGold Card to expand the spending power of that 66% income.

Comment From Helen MacKay
Do you think changes should be made to the Telecommunications and Broadcasting acts to make closed captioning mandatory in New Zealand?

Winston Peters: Yes

Comment From Rosie Matthew
If someone is given a life sentence, shouldn’t they be in jail for life?

Winston Peters: Depends on the offender and whether there is any chance of rehabilitation which must be first proven before release.

Comment From David S
Do you feel the speaker and media unfairly gave the illusion you had no important information with regards to Judith Collins the other day?

Winston Peters: It’s not an illusion to prove that in a confidential paper that she told the PM of her benefit from the Chinese Government but failed to disclose it publicly as every other Minister did for government’s that helped them abroad.

Comment From Jim
Hi Winston. Will NZF merge the Poison Centre 0800 helpline with other health helplines?

Winston Peters: I’d rather answer this question after you’ve sent me information as to why it should/shouldn’t be done.

Comment From Anele
What will NZfirst do to address Child Poverty in NZ?

Winston Peters: It’s not child poverty. It’s family and societal and political poverty. We used to be world leader in social equity which is a vision that modern politicians have tragically lost. We still believe in a fair society, that’s why we are for a minimum wage much higher than $15ph and for supporting businesses that employ New Zealanders in better paid, secure, permanent employment.

Comment From Ashleigh Sidney
Winston what will you do to help Kiwis in Australia who fall upon hard times?

Winston Peters: Can’t answer that question while they remain in Australia. We can only tell you what we’d do if you move back.

Comment From Rosie Matthew
If you were prime minister, would you keep serious criminals behind bars for longer?

Winston Peters: Yes, but we would more clearly delineate what is serious crime and introduce short, sharp sentencing which will be an option to longer terms. In short, at court, offenders will be given a choice: five years in the slammer or two years hard labour. The second option has far more likelihood of changing them for the better and save more than $95k per prisoner, per year.

Comment From Hank
Do you believe that every NZ citizen (and PR), regardless of which entry scheme they use (ie $10M investment scheme) should be able to read and write basic English?

Winston Peters: English language was always in the criteria for admission. It still should be.

Comment From Rob
Hi Winston- Currently govt is looking to squash more people into Auckland because of “increased demand”. Solutions provided are to lower the quality of life for existing residents and squash more people in, cut down trees etc. What would your solution to this be ?

Winston Peters: We have a serious regional development policy. There is serious spare infrastructure capacity in the regions and we’d give incentives for business to move and stay there. In addition, part of our immigration policy will give much higher points for immigrants prepared to go to the regions for a specific term. Once there, we believe many of them will stay. Stagnant, static, small city populations will change for the better.

Comment From Hank
Does NZF believe in a compulsory superannuation? And if so, would that be the continue support of Kiwisaver?

Winston Peters: We do. But we would offer a KiwiFund, much like the Cullen Fund management where the fees will be much lower and based on the Cullen Fund performance, returns and savings will be much higher.

Comment From Hank
Auckland is one of the most expensive cities for people to buy houses. Young Aucklanders struggle to get onto the property ladder. What is NZ First’s policy on the housing in Auckland, and in NZ?

Winston Peters: Our housing policy is on our website. But for Auckland specifically, we’ll stop overseas buying, cut back immigration numbers, give Auckland a chance to breathe and get on top of the chaos that is there now.

Comment From Shayne
Would you hold a referendum on compulsory savings or Kiwisaver instead of pushing it through? It should not be a govts job to force people to save money or put it into a scheme as frail as this. So, are you planning to get the people’s wishes on this?

Winston Peters: I gave the people the chance to have their say in the referendum of 1997. Every other political party attacked it, politicised the issue, but many of those now say they are for it. You go figure.

Comment From Robert
Why are a quarter of all National MPs not going to stand for re-election?

Winston Peters: Because there is a tea party process going on inside National where sitting MPs have been targeted, by often inferior outsiders and they have succeeded.

Comment From Tom B
How do you feel about Brendan Horan being “fired” from NZ First and then staying on as an independent MP? I thought that once list MP’s were expelled/fired from caucus, they had to leave Parliament all together

Winston Peters: Well he should have gone given the seriousness of our concerns but he stayed on, deprived us of resources and staff. At least he’ll be gone in four months time.

Comment From Hank
What is NZF’s policy on raising the retirement age?

Winston Peters: Super is costing 4.1% net against GDP. It is not unaffordable in that context. Moreover, ability to pay social welfare and super is very much aligned to running a sound economy. Because we haven’t, the very people that have failed as sound economic managers now say the old people are to blame. They are wrong, trust they will be found out at this election.

Comment From Andy Pine
So will you approach the TPP with as much gusto as you can in the wine box? where you made something happen?

Winston Peters: Yes – but none of us have seen any of the details, whereas with the wine box I had a box full of evidence requiring careful investigation which we did, plus exposure against great opposition which we ignored.

Comment From Max Waters
What is NZF’s position in regard to the FATCA IGA with the US and in particular as it affects the privacy & civil liberties of ordinary Kiwis? Thank you.

Winston Peters: This is about allowing the American Inland Revenue to pry into the affairs of people with an American connection, no matter how long ago they began working and earning in NZ. This is a circus where the Govt is trying to pass a law before they even get a settlement or arrangement with the US government. What a complete debacle that issue is in terms of sound public policy.

Comment From Anele
Why did you decline the invitation to do the Campbell Live At home with the leaders segment?

Winston Peters: I didn’t decline the invite. I said he and his wife could come and have a great night. Just leave the cameras at home. I like my privacy, just like the next person. Am still waiting for him to say yes!

Comment From Andrew
When you called Brendan Horan the Jimmy Savile of NZ politics, did you mean he has a fondness for cigars, or tracksuits? I’m confused.

Winston Peters: Take a wild guess.

Comment From Brendan
The track’s going to be heavy in Oamaru this Friday. Any tips on horses in that meet?

Winston Peters: Never give a tip. Nobody remembers when you are right, they sure hold it against you when you are wrong.

Comment From Guest
Dear Winston, John Key has said that “If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear” so why is the TPPA being negotiated in secret? Rom.

Winston Peters: That’s exactly the point. If there is nothing to hide, why don’t they show us the terms and the details of the negotiations.

Comment From Kaye
one thing we admire about you Winston, is your “one People, one Nation’ quote, I hope you have plans to live up to this statement

Winston Peters: I have argued for that since the day I arrived in parliament because it is the only way we can get on as a country of 4.3 million people against huge competition from the rest of the world. Fractured and divided we hamstring our ability to compete.

Comment From Guest
Have you ever looked at the economics of paying old age pensions outside NZ? That is to those who have qualified through the years through tax decuctions. I constantly encounter elderly who choose to travel in their senior years and are told to come home or be cut off. many older citizens could live comfortably outside NZ with family or in cheaper countries. Their absence would reduce the demand for health care and could take a load off the tax payer. And give the older citixzen the right to enjoy his last years where it suits him. Check it out!

Winston Peters: We are doing work on that right now but can’t give the details just as yet, but hopefully soon.

Comment From Julie Ford
Hi Winston, we now have problems with Muslim community in Auckland with a jihad ordered against some security men. Are our hands tied to get rid of such an individual who has made death threats?

Winston Peters: We expect everyone that comes here to respect our flag, whatever National flag it may be, respect our laws and respect other citizens. Now that means we are all in the same boat and if some don’t like that boat, we’ll they’ve got plenty of other options overseas.

Comment From Jan McKeogh
Do you think if National wins the election (God help us),NZ First will be wooed into forming a coalition?

Winston Peters: First, no one is going to win the election and any pollster that says so will be proved wrong. That means there will have to be some form of coalition of confidence and supply arrangement, of which there are many variations including a unique case of New Zealand First’s policy as we set out in 2011, before the election, of going on the cross benches and keeping the government honest.

Comment From Richard
Would NZ first allow a coalition where the Green Party has a right of veto ?

Winston Peters: We would not allow any party the right of veto.

Comment From Guest
I’m confused. What is the difference between a racist / zenophode and someone who is being patriotic?

Winston Peters: Often, there is no difference at all because the first two are insults which usually come from people who have no intention of defending the New Zealand population, our resources and policies that put the people of New Zealand first. Notice how they are all panicking about the Auckland housing crisis but go back one year or twenty years and note their deafening silence over that period. Or worse, insulting us for raising our legitimate concerns.

Comment From Steven
What do you want in a politician that stands for your Party

Winston Peters: Integrity. Commitment. Loyalty to voters. Serious ability.

Comment From Anele
There’s been speculation that National could increase GST to 17%. Would NZfirst raise gst?

Winston Peters: National is denying it, but then they denied that they would increase any taxes at the 2008 election. National got into government and put it up from 12.5 to 15%. So if they could deny it and then do it once, whats to stop them from doing it again?

Comment From Rosie Matthew
Should Judith Collins be sacked or be forced to resign?

Winston Peters: This issue is not over by a long shot.

Comment From Anele
How much would you raise the minimum wage to?

Winston Peters: We’ll announce that in the upcoming campaign.

Comment From Brent Clifton
Hi Winston , Do you think ACC is doing the is doing a good job for Kiwis

Winston Peters: Yes it is. But its been the victim of far too much politicking on the question of cost and what Nick Smith said in 08 and 09 has been proven to be absolutely false. That’s why they are lowering ACC levies now for 2015. However, there are aspects to ACC and its treatment of genuine victims which have been highly unsatisfactory.

Comment From Billy
Where do you get your suits from, and why double breasted suits? I like the pocket squares! (very classic)

Winston Peters: No place in particular, I try to not impulse buy but if I like something and the price is right, I consider it for a few days and if I still like it, I buy it. That’s if I can afford it! Just of interest, I do believe that everybody has a colour range for them and when you know your own personal colour range you’ll find you buy much more sensibly and don’t have stuff in the wardrobe for years because it doesn’t suit you and you no longer like it.

Comment From Ishta
What do you feel about Key’s determination to be on the UN Security Council? Also your stance on TPPA and GCSB?

Winston Peters: There are aspects of our recent international engagements which makes the Security Council job seriously difficult to attain. You’ve seen my stance on the TPPA and on the GCSB we would want a serious internal investigation into how we got caught up in a raid where the Minister for the GCSB (the PM) claimed he never knew about it. That claim of course is simply incredible because if it was true then why weren’t there people sacked for their non disclosure to their Minister.

Winston Peters: Have a good evening everyone – see you back here again soon.

Judith Collins: Society at tipping point over ‘rape culture’

Judith Collins was interviewed on NZ Q & A this morning, NZ herald reports: Society at tipping point over ‘rape culture’

Justice Minister Judith Collins says the treatment of sexual assault victims has reached a tipping point and there is a real move to stop blaming victims.

Her comments today come after thousands of protesters throughout the country yesterday marched to demand an end to “rape culture”.

Speaking on TVNZ’s Q+A programme, Ms Collins said the public was right to be disgusted by the behaviour of a group called the Roast Busters, who bragged online about having sex with drunk and underage teenage girls.

She agreed society had reached a tipping point about the way victims were treated.

“And I think there’s a real move to say that we should stop blaming victims.”

She said questions would always be asked about whether anything could be done to prevent the crime.

“The best place obviously is to prevent it, but it’s also about trying to take the blame off victims and encouraging them to come forward.

“And I think if more victims were able to come forward and to have their stories told and the offenders to be confronted with that, we might have fewer people who think it’s alright to do this sort of thing to someone else.”

Ms Collins said rape was nothing to do with what a victim wore or did.

“Having said that, unless we actually address those issues, and unless we actually stand up to that sort of abusive comment to victims, then we will continue to see those sorts of behaviours spoken about in that way.”

She said embarrassment was part of what stopped victims coming forward.

“It’s an incredibly humiliating thing for anyone to have to talk about, and it’s not as though it’s a crime where someone say breaks into your car and steals it.

“These people break in as such and what they do is they take something away from that person – they take their dignity and they essentially effect their soul. And this is a crime that lives with a victim every single day of their lives.”

Ms Collins is looking into proposals by the Law Commission that would increase protection for complainants in rape cases.

The changes include providing a support person for young complainants giving evidence in court, and giving complainants notice if their previous sexual history was going to be discussed in court.

“I would never ever suggest for a moment that whatever is proposed, in terms of our court processes, would ever take away the feeling of being re-victimised, for a victim who has to relive what has happened.

“But you can’t have a rape case occur if the victim can’t actually say what’s happened. It’s very difficult for anyone to defend themselves, and I don’t want to see miscarriages of justice on either side.”

Ms Collins was looking at restorative justice.

“What we know is that quite a lot of those people who do complain to police as victims of sexual assault are actually assaulted by people who are close to them – either partners, former partners, friends, family members.

“And sometimes they don’t want, those victims, to have to go to court. They also don’t want to necessarily see the accused end up in jail for up to 20 years, because rape is treated extremely seriously in this country.

“What thy do want is they want abuse to stop, they want the offender to confess to what they’ve done, to acknowledge the harm that they’ve caused and to help give back that person’s dignity.

“And I think it’s that loss of dignity which continues to live with the victim forever.”

Any change in court processes would go to Cabinet this year before being passed into law next year.

NZ Herald:

Q & A interview: Judith Collins on the Roast Busters case

Drury posturing on IRD upgrade?

NBR had a guest comment from Rod Drury last week on the proposed IRD computer upgrade.

Dear IRD: how to shave $1b from your $1.5b software spendup

The New Zealand Government has recently agreed to spend $1.5 billion to redo the New Zealand tax system.

To anyone in IT this is an obscene amount of money to spend on any software project.

From the outside it seems like a slow moving train crash reminiscent of earlier Big Bang projects that always blow out if they are ever delivered.

It reeks of global consulting firms winning the business and then rapidly hiring a bunch of grads and putting them up in hotels for years.

It’s just not smart.

A $1.5 billion  injection into local service companies, that are world class, would grow an industry. Government spending of this magnitude should see numerous other benefits.

It’s easy to say nothing but the fact is government officials have no idea what’s reasonable. The companies with the budgets to win these projects are the people officials meet.

Comments were active after the online article, and also at Kiwiblog in Drury on IRD computer system.

Drury is CEO of online accounts company Xero so knows a bit about software development.

Xero has spent around only $80 million getting to where it is today. Even if IRD was 10x Xero (it’s not) why isn’t $800 million a reasonable number?

IRD software requirements are much different to Xero.

But an interesting thing about this is what Drury doesn’t say. He implies it’s an “us against them” scenario and that he is criticising “from the outside”…

The companies with the budgets to win these projects are the people officials meet.

“But rather than just criticise here’s some practical suggestions I’d offer…”

…but Drury doesn’t reveal that IRD is already consulting with him on this project. On Q+A yesterday Revenue Minister Peter Dunne said:

Well, we’re working closely with Rod Drury. I’ve talked with him on occasions.

I know he meets with the commissioner of the department regularly.

Perhaps Drury doesn’t think he is being listened to enough but that doesn’t sound like his suggestions are only “on the outside”.

Also on Q + A Susan Wood opened the panel discussion:

Rod Drury came out this week and said Government, IRD computer systems should be made locally, should be done in smaller packages I think is what he was saying, have we got the capability to do it here?

Phil O’Reilly, Chief Executive of BusinessNZ, responded:

I was talking to Naomi Ferguson just this week who’s the Commissioner of IRD and she’s made a real commitment to try and involve and engage New Zealand companies so that’s great, and one of the things you notice about systems like this is inevitably it will be a bit of a world effort.

There will be some companies in the US and the UK with particular skills, but the fact that Commissioner is really engaging locally is going to be quite an important piece.

Bear in mind that the cost of this thing is nothing much compared to the benefit that New Zealand will get. Some of the opportunity for New Zealand business to reduce compliance costs alone would blow a billion dollars out of the water right there, so the trick I think is to have a debate about what the value is to New Zealand Inc. rather than say oh, it’s a lot of money, we should just think about those two things.


In Wellington Novopay has turned into a verb, “you’ve been Novopaid”, it’s crazy, and as a result there’s a real political desire to make sure these things run well, hence all of the work going on, I’m sitting on several committees with IRD trying to work out how we do this best, for example.

So lots of consultation, lots of consideration, this thing’s taking place over ten years or so, not just because it’s the key thing, IRD is the thing, you have to raise tax to run an effective government, but it’s also a reaction to all of that stuff.

Rod Drury seems to have been posturing in public debate to try and promote value for Xero Inc, while quietly talking with IRD.

Drury’s Xero is not the only local business that will be trying to position itself to get a bit of the substantial IRD IT pie.

Dunne to contest the next election?

Peter Dunne may have hinted that he intends contesting the election next year. When asked how long he will stay in politics he said “that decision’s ultimately not made by me but by my voters in Ohariu in the first instance, and that’s a decision that they will have the opportunity to refresh or reject next year”.

On United Future he said “we represent the flickering flame of liberal democracy in New Zealand”

And admitted “That does wax and wane from time to time”.

This was in an interview on Q+A this morning when Jessica Mutch asked Dunne about the future of UnitedFuture.

JESSICA Let’s talk about the future of United Future. How long will you stay in politics?

PETER I have no idea, because that decision’s ultimately not made by me but by my voters in Ohariu in the first instance, and that’s a decision that they will have the opportunity to refresh or reject next year.

JESSICA Your popularity in Ohariu has been going down. You got 1400 in the last election. Do you need to have a cup of tea with the prime minister?

PETER Well, my majority actually went up at the last election.

JESSICA 1400 isn’t a huge majority, though.

PETER No, it’s not, but it’s better than it was. And I’ve been there for nearly 30 years. I don’t need cups of tea with people. I think they know me pretty well and they can make a judgement.

JESSICA I mean a cup of tea with the prime minister.

PETER Yes, I know what you mean. I didn’t have one with the prime minister.

JESSICA Will you have one, or will you want one this time?

PETER Actually, I have a cup of tea with the prime minister quite frequently. It’s just that the public doesn’t see it. (LAUGHS)

JESSICA When you say ‘cup of tea’, will you ask for one with the prime minister this election?

PETER I’m not going into that at this stage because the election’s nearly 18 months away. What the lie of the political land is at that time is far too soon to speculate upon. What I will say is this – that United Future has been around for a long time. We represent the flickering flame of liberal democracy in New Zealand. That does wax and wane from time to time. There will always be people who will coalesce, if you like, around that point of view, and we’re here to represent those points of view.

JESSICA That’s a nice place to leave it. Thank you very much for your time this morning, Peter Dunne.

Video: Peter Dunne on the balance of power (9:48)

Peter Dunne on the power of his vote

Peter Dunne was interviewed on Q+A this morning. He was asked about “how much power a one-man party has in parliament.”

JESSICA You do hold a lot of power. You’re a one-man party. We’ve seen since 2008 that you’ve actually held the crucial vote on 20 pieces of legislation. Is it right that one person, yourself, has so much power?

PETER Well, firstly, I didn’t put myself in that position. The electorate dealt the cards at the election.

JESSICA But how do you deal with that?

PETER And the second point is how I deal with it. I don’t just wake up each morning and decide what capricious thing am I going to do today. I’ve got a quite developed matrix of how we deal with things. Firstly, is the issue under debate covered by the confidence and supply agreement that United Future has with National? If it is, as was the case with the mixed ownership model, for instance, then the outcome is very clear.

JESSICA Let’s touch on that for a moment – the asset sales legislation. You obviously hold the power to get that through for National. Does that give you a lot of extra power and bargaining power back?

PETER In some senses it does, on unrelated issues. But that was a very clear case. Our election policy said we oppose-

JESSICA Like what? What kind of trade-off-?

PETER I don’t want to go into specific detail, because that actually destroys the advantage that you’ve got. But come back to that one. Our election policy said that we were, in principal, opposed to asset sales except if the government nominated the energy companies and Air New Zealand, we would agree to that provided the public shareholding was to be no greater than 49% and there was a cap on individual shareholding. That was included on our negotiations and put into the agreement. And the government at that point didn’t want to statutorily specify those limits-

JESSICA So you got some influence over that.

PETER And so it became a no-brainer to vote for it when the legislation arrived.

JESSICA Another one-

PETER So that’s the first point. The second point – because I haven’t finished what I was saying before – if it’s not covered by the Confidence and Supply agreement, is it something that was covered by United Future’s election policy? And if it was, clearly you vote for in accordance with that. That’s why I’m backing Paid Parental Leave, for instance. The third one is neither of the above, and then it just comes down to, basically, the circumstances of the time and what seems like the right thing to do.

JESSICA And one of those things will be about SkyCity. The government will need you if it needs to work out some kind of a deal with SkyCity. Have you worked out any kind of pay-off for that?

PETER My view on that is quite simple. I think Auckland needs a world-class convention centre. In my role both as Associate Minister of Health and previously, I’ve been working over the last 10 years with the structure of-

JESSICA But will you get anything back?

PETER Hang on, hang on. And the important point about the SkyCity one, from my perspective, is if you can achieve the convention centre without a blowout in the number of gambling machines and an increase in the numbers of those, then that’s the best deal. But I’ve not seen any deal at this stage. It’s premature to talk about that. If there’s a trade-off then it may well be something that occurs at the time, but if you’re saying to me do I say ‘I support this in return for your doing that’, it’s not that crude.

JESSICA So you haven’t worked out any kind of agreement with-

PETER Well, it doesn’t work- I haven’t seen the details, so there is no agreement at this point, other than I’ve indicated the general view that I’ve just expressed to you. But it doesn’t work in the way of saying, ‘you give me this and I’ll give you that’. It works in the way of saying, ‘OK, I’ll give you this thing. Now, when there are things that arise that I might want, I suppose you could say there’s money in the bank’.

Video: Peter Dunne on the balance of power (9:48)