Poll reaction ‘worse than usual’

Andrew from Colmar Brunton just tweeted:

Wow this week’s poll! The criticism has been much worse than usual. NEVER happens when Labour support increases.

Labour is down 4 to 28%, the first time they have dipped below 30 since the 2014 election, and National is up 3 to 50% – see One News/Colmar Brunton April 2016.

The reaction from the left, apparent on Twitter and at The Standard, ranged from disbelief to  blame, of everything from bad or corrupt polling methods, misleading or corrupt media and John Key.

Hard core Labour supporters have now had nearly eight years of post-Clark frustration and disappointment and daashed hopes.

On current performances (of the party and of leader Andrew Little) this looks unlikely to change any time soon.

Labour has faded from a major party with a widely respected leader to a struggling party with diminishing status.

They are on to their fourth leader and their latest one seems to be heading towards failure, probably hastened by this week’s lurch into dirty politics.

Except that the party seems averse to swapping leaders yet again and go through yet another upheaval, and no one appears keen to step up and take over what looks like a now poisoned chalice.

The remaining Labour supporters (and leadership) seem blind to their own fairly major shortcomings so they blame everyone and everything else on their failures.

I’ve experienced this myself over the years, especially at The Standard where attack seems to be their only way of dealing with continued failure to gain and political traction or to score significant hits on opponents.

You can get banned from the Standard for telling them they are doing their cause a disservice with their attacks on anyone deemed disloyal or in disagreement with their behaviour or their ideals.

Things are probably looking more grim than ever for Labour. So it’s not surprising to hear  that Andrew and Colmar Brunton are bearing the brunt of their anger.

The 5 stages of loss and grief:

  1. Denial
  2. Anger
  3. Bargaining
  4. Depression
  5. Acceptance

Labour supporters seem to have spent most of the last seven and a half years bouncing between 1 and 2, with a few bouts of 4.

This term they have begun to talk about some 3 with Greens and NZ First but keep falling back to 1 and 2, which is what Andrew (Grumpollie) has experienced since the poll was published.

And another Andrew, the Little one, seems to have taken a major does of 2 with his attacks in Parliament this week, so Colmar Brunton may need to prepare them for the next poll. Neither the poll nor the reaction may be pretty.

Violence reactions

There have been many reactions to David Cunliffe’s speech on domestic violence where he said “I’m sorry for being a man right now, because family and sexual violence is perpetrated overwhelmingly by men against women and children”.

Suggestions that the problem is not “overwhelmingly by men against women and children” are strongly opposed by some. And pointing out that not all men are violence, or that only a minority of men are violent, is often derided. A Twitter hashtag #notallmen is used in a derogatory way.

A tweet yesterday from Labour activist Stephanie Rodgers started a swarm of violence reactions.

Stephanie Rodgers @stephanierodgrs
If we’re going to temper our statements based on the same old crowd crying #notallmen, we’re never going to talk about violence at all. #rpt

That is an extreme but fairly common view, if you question a narrow focus prescribed by some you are deemed an enemy of the cause. I responded to this (I’ve had a number of online skirmishes with Stephanie).

And if we temper our statements with #onlywomenandchildrenarevictims we won’t address violence properly.

The “all men are bad” approach alienates many peaceful men (and also some women).

Jessica Williams @mizjwilliams
And men are overwhelmingly the perpetrators. by saying “#notallmen!!” you are closing down important debate.

I don’t know how trying to discuss wider issues in a complex problem is “closing down important debate”.

More respionses in the ensuing shitstorm:

David Farrar ‏@dpfdpf
@mizjwilliams @PeteDGeorge @stephanierodgrs The research I am referring to is http://www.otago.ac.nz/christchurch/otago014519.pdf …. Genunely interested in others.

Jessica Williams @mizjwilliams
@RikSennin @PeteDGeorge @stephanierodgrs is it a troll? Is it a twit? No! It’s #expertdude! Shh Steph! We must LISTEN! So we can LEARN!

Stephanie Rodgers @stephanierodgrs
@mizjwilliams We’re only women, but I know we can be taught, if only we listen to the dudes!

Jessica Williams ‏@mizjwilliams
f oh well there you are then. case closed. let me go and renounce my feminism, stat.

Dovil ‏@Dovil
thank god the men are here to sort it out by denying a problem exists.

jo ‏@jofromgreylynn
*rampaging hoards of wimminz, out assaulting and humiliating the menz at night*

Roz S-P ‏@IrnBruja
@mizjwilliams No point love. We can’t talk about our issues without it becoming all about the men.

Jessica Williams ‏@mizjwilliams
oh of course, i forgot that. we need them to tell us what to care about. HOW COULD I FORGET.

Roz S-P ‏@IrnBruja 
Up next, rich old white men tell brown people what racism is!

And so it goes on, achieving nothing but annoyance and aggravation. Very sad that such a serious issue gets derailed be demarcation disputes about what must and must not come into any discussions.

Men are obviously a major part of the domestic violence problem. Many people have been adversely affected by violence and it can become a very emotional topic.

Shouting men out of any discussions on it and trying to enforce a narrow feminine focus excludes a major part of the solution. Violence is predominantly a male problem, however most men are non-violent. The non-violent majority can be a strong voice against violence – if it is not shut out and told to shut up.

Good men speaking up is one of the best ways of confronting male violence.  Maybe they need to learn to avoid the minority of women who want to frame the violence issue and abuse anyone straying from their narrow agenda.