More on the Morgan poll

Apparently continued silence by Martyn Bradbury on the latest Roy Morgan poll which came out a week after he posted BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: UMR SECRET POLL – National 41% Labour/Greens 45%

Since the Memorandum of Understanding, the First Past the Post mainstream media have had to start reporting the results as MMP ones. This perception change now allows Opposition voters to see they can win.

National is in trouble…

Once these private internal polls start becoming reflected in the TVNZ and TV3 Polls, National will start to implode with a power struggle.

The Roy Morgan poll has National on 53%, Labour on 25.5% and Greens on 11.5%. No word on what Bombers perception of this is.

One perception at The Daily Blog though, from Cleangreen. On the UMR ‘secret poll’:

Yes joy rings out finally National are on their way out hooray.

But in a comment yesterday on the Open Mic thread Cleengreen said:

Latest Roy Morgan and any other political poster companies we think we should trust! – well don’t – read below.

The Politicians are all under orders from the Bilderberg Group and are simply minion’s that carry out orders for the global elite and that is why you see a clear hard nosed similarity over every issue now, and the media is the same parrot for these cabals also as the pollsters are to!!!!

Does anyone understand how flimsy and vulnerable and easily rigged results of Pollster’s polling data can occur where the companies cannot verify their results or edit them to see if they are changed?

Poll result good, pollster good. Poll result bad, pollsters bad.

There was a lot of talk about the 10% bounce back for National (but interestingly no one seemed to bat an eyelid at Labour dropping 2.5 to 25.5%).

Chris Keall has posted Roy Morgan manager defends *that* poll at NBR:

The chattering class was quick to scoff when at the new Roy Morgan poll which showed a 10% jump for National (864 eligible voters were surveyed by phone).

There was eye-rolling from the left and the right, and I can see why: there were no political bombshells during the survey period (June 17 to early July) to warrant such a shift.

In a press release, executive chairman Gary Morgan pegged the Nats’ bounce on John Key’s announcement of a $1 billion housing infrastructure fund.

I’m not so sure.

Keall “asked Mr Morgan if he was confident of the poll result” and the RM poll manager responded:

We are very confident these results reflect a shift in voting intention in New Zealand towards the incumbent.

That is very likely to be correct. The questions are by how much, and why.

Andrew Little has had nearly two years to cut through and even before this poll, had really made little headway.

The New Zealand economy is booming at present with Kiwis returning to the country after years of outflows across the Tasman.

Also, specifically with this poll we conducted some additional research during this period which indicates that Housing Affordability/ House prices/ Shortage of Houses/ Homeless etc. has increased significantly as an issue in New Zealand this year.

The announcement of the $1 billion housing infrastructure fund is perfectly timed to take advantage of this sentiment. There are a large number of Kiwis out there who believe they will see the benefit of this $1 billion infrastructure fund personally.

It could be that housing has been a significant factor – perhaps a lack of confidence in Labour’s policies, or a desire by many voters to retain the capital value increases.

There was also a discussion at Dim-Post: Roy Morgan wild guessing game

No doubt Labour will start leaking that their secret polls show them getting a major bump after their conference. If you added all the bumps they’ve claimed from their private polls they’d be on about 500% by now.

Danyl has been quite cynical about Labour lately.

My guess about the swing – if there was a swing – is that the news recently has been dominated by horror, fear and uncertainty. Terror attacks, racial violence in the US, Brexit, and so voters are looking for political stability and supporting National. If they are.

Swordfish, a regular poll commenter at The Standard, joins the discussion. Another pseudonym I’m not familiar with, Pollster,  joined in.

It has nothing like the spikes the Roy Morgan does, and when it does it’ll be an occasional 2-3% shift, not a 5-10% (or in this case 16%) swing as the Roy Morgan has. What the UMR has shown since the election has been a pretty static political environment. The Roy Morgan suggests that from month hundreds of thousands of people are swinging wildly from Labour and the Greens to National and back again. It’s why no one in the business takes them seriously.

As the UMR polls aren’t published their claims can’t be verified, although Swordfish says:

Last 4 UMRs had Labour on 28-33%. Over the same period, the Public Polls put the Party in the range of 26-31%. Not an enormous divergence.

That’s a 5% range from UMR, the same as for ‘public polls’.

The last four RM polls for Labour were 25.5, 28, 29,5, 26 which happens to be a smaller range of 4%.

Pollster also said:

As for Labour staffers briefing internal polls, that’s not something I’m aware of, but I wouldn’t assume that’s why the UMR poll occasional finds its way into the public arena.

Frequently it’s Hooton who claims to have had a leak of Labour’s secret internal polling, when actually he just gets the UMR Omni from one of his clients as I do. I can also confirm he often makes up the figures, because he is a shameless liar.

Hooton bit back:

I think I have mentioned specific quantitative numbers from UMR polling data twice in the media. UMR polling is what “Labour’s secret internal polling” is – or, has been historically. It is also sold to corporates as you indicate.

Unless you think UMR does one quantitative study each month for its corporate clients and then another one for Labour. Perhaps it does. I don’t see that point in that though. Whenever I have mentioned polling of any kind the numbers have been correct.

Pull your head in with your lying accusations, whoever you are, anonymous guy on the internet.

Anonymous people on the Internet who appear to have a vested interest, and who promote polls only when their cherries are ripe, but never publicly publish any poll details, and make lying accusations about people with different political leanings, barely deserve to be taken with a grain of salt.

Poll reactions

I think just about everyone will have been surprised by the latest poll -it was a  Roy Morgan shock.

Saying you do or don’t believe in this or that poll is a mugs game. They’re numbers not deities. But. National up 10 to 53% in July RM poll.

Look it’s probably a rogue poll. should relax. And stick with to election.

While the Roy Morgan poll may be exaggerated, its is perhaps timely to recall the numerous stories saying Labour has made real traction.

So under is polling 5% lower than under – makes you wonder

10% shift in any one poll in any direction always a bit O RLY.

latest Roy Morgan is fairly wow.

David Farrar (National’s pollster) at Kiwiblog: Latest poll

After a month of headlines of the Government in crisis and how Labour has them on the ropes and this is a turning point, the poll shows a massive 10% vote shift for National.

A few pundits may be regretting their columns.

Now as I commented on Twitter I don’t think there has been a 10% increase in support for National in one month, which would be 250,000 more New Zealanders suddenly deciding they will vote National. Roy Morgan is known as a yo-yo poll as it does tend to have fairly regular large increases and decreases. So it is probably the case that either their June poll was too low for National or the July poll too high – or both.

But regardless of how large the movement has been, it is beyond doubt that in a month of relentless negativity in the media, National has gone up in the Roy Morgan poll.

Labour at 25.5% is 5.5% lower than they were three years ago in the same poll. And if you compare it to how National were doing in Labour’s third term, well National in July 2007 was at 49%!

Nothing on the poll at The Daily Blog yet but a week ago Martyn Bradbury posted BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: UMR SECRET POLL – National 41% Labour/Greens 45%

Since the Memorandum of Understanding, the First Past the Post mainstream media have had to start reporting the results as MMP ones. This perception change now allows Opposition voters to see they can win.

Combine this with a Housing crisis that is nearing meltdown, a Government caught up in its own  sophistry and a flat footed media who now have to keep up with a 5th estate news media that is countering their narratives far more effectively than they can spin them.

National is in trouble, and watch how Judith Collins will move to eliminate Paula Bennett first and Key second as the reality of National’s policies finally catch up with John Key’s vacant aspiration.

Once these private internal polls start becoming reflected in the TVNZ and TV3 Polls, National will start to implode with a power struggle.

Whale Oil hasn’t posted on it yet but tend to be slow with posts on new developments that aren’t their own ‘breaking news’.

It’s not surprising that there is no post about the latest poll at The Standard yet, but there has been some comments in Daily Review.


It’s not about whether the poll is good for a party or parties, it’s about the degree of shift and whether that is meaningful. How big was the one last month?

People who understand polling say to look at the poll of polls for trends rather than relying on any single poll. That’s why I’d like to see the next one, or other company polls.


Seems to make no sense at all.


Yes it does. When did you last see any of the Opposition party leaders on the 6pm TV news? Weeks ago, and then only for about 10 seconds each time. I actually recall seeing Andrew Little’s response to one question being cut off after 4 or 5 words so it was impossible to know what the answer really was.

And how often do you see John Key on the TV? Every bloody night. Since I can’t bear the sight of his supercilious dial, it means I can’t watch the news any more.

So, when the sheeples only see John Key and rarely see or hear about anyone else then its not surprising they mindlessly answer National.

So she thinks it’s the media’s fault.


It is a real rogue. Go outside and talk to ordinary people and work out if they think the Government is doing a good job.

Colonial Viper:

Effect of the Labour/Greens MOU now being felt. Also National’s proactive *cough* steps in the housing market.


I couldn’t have scripted this better – Labour leaks and overhypes mysterious internal polling. Standardistas climb on board with the fervour of the righteous welcoming the second coming, ignoring all that has gone before. And then like perpetual Millerites they wake up to a new rouge/rogue dawn another 10 points behind. It’s a better show than plagiarism at the republican convention.


Every month I’ve been saying this.


Outside of an election, they are nothing more than a sad tool of lazy journalists too slack to do any real journalism.

Do I need to mention the scummy PR people trying to set the agenda for there client.

But Roy Morgan isn’t run by journalists, they are a professional polling company.

And on Open Mike, schwen:

OMG! What a disaster! How could this have happened so quickly when the UMR poll showed the Green/Labour MOU was working so well?


Yes, very droll.

Heading on back to reality for a moment …

… UMR Poll has an impressive track record for accuracy …

UMR do internal party polls for Labour and the poll details are never published. And it’s only favourable results that tend to be ‘leaked’.

Last week on The Standard: The times they are a changing

Dedicated to the latest UMR poll that Bomber reports has Labour on 33%, the Greens on 12% and National on 41% …

The polls they are a changing and it’s over a year until the election.

Roy Morgan shock

The latest Roy Morgan poll will be a shock to some, especially those who believed the claims of private UMR polling and thought the political tide had finally turned against John  Key and National – see UMR polls.

Note that it’s just one poll. It’s certainly not rouge but it could be rogue.

Poll taken 4-17 July 2016:

  • National 53% (up from 43)
  • Labour 25.5% (down from 28)
  • Greens 11.5% (down from 14.5)
  • NZ First 7% (down from 9)
  • ACT Party 1% (up from 0.5)
  • Maori Party 0.5% (down from 2)
  • Conservatives 0.5% (down from 1)
  • Mana Party 0.5% (no change)
  • Internet Party 0% (down from 0.5)
  • United Future 0% (no change)
  • Other 0.5% (down from 1)

And for Martyn Bradbury that is National 53% versus LabourGreen 37%.


This is such a change from last month there has to be some healthy scepticism about this poll, which may well be an outlier.

But it shows that National is not down and virtually out yet.

“In further good news for National the Roy Morgan Government Confidence Rating increased strongly to 127pts (up 6.5pts) in July.”

Electors were asked: “If a New Zealand Election were held today which party would receive your party vote?” This latest New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll on voting intention was conducted by telephone – both landline and mobile telephone, with a NZ wide cross-section of 864 electors in July 2016. Of all electors surveyed 7.5% (up 2%) didn’t name a party.

Margin of error (95% confidence) at 50% will be around +-3.5


If you want to see the reaction at The Standard it starts here.


Internal polling shock

A surprise result from an internal political poll: “Do Bomber’s attempts at talking up a Green-Labour bloc perception have any credibility?”

  • No 100%
  • Yes 0%

Margin of error: 0.00
Sample size: 1

As predicted here Martyn Bradbury has followed up claims that ‘internal poll rumours’ would support his rants with Latest Internal Polling – National in trouble.

The impact of the Memorandum of Understanding has triggered something deep in the electorate if the latest internal polling is anything to go by.

Obliging the mainstream media to change the way they report politics from a first by the post perspective to an MMP one changes the way voters see the Opposition.

That change seems to be happening at an alarming pace.

The mainstream media aren’t obliged to report things the way Bradbury insists and they haven’t changed how they report polls, which is poorly.

Bradbury claims to have “the latest internal polling” without disclosing:

  • Who has done the polling?
  • What was the question asked?
  • What was the sample size?
  • When was the polling done?
  • What was the margin of error?
  • Is Bradbury making things up?

So what result is Bradbury claiming?

The latest internal polling has National free falling to 44%, Labour at 31% and Greens at 12%.

That means the Labour-Green bloc is at 43% and National is on 44% – that’s a mere 1 percent lead and the speed of the turn around suggests something has snapped in terms of voter apathy.

Even if those are actual results from a credible poll they aren’t particularly surprising or much out of the ordinary. All three party results are within the ranges they have been getting over the past year.

Bradbury has been making unsubstantiated claims and has been trying to talk up a political revolution for several days, ignoring more realistic assessments of polling by the likes of Phil Goff and Michael Cullen.

Bradbury actually had both Goff and Cullen talking about polls on Thursday night on Waatea 5th Estate.


Sir Michael isn’t the biggest change here the perception, we report polls like sports results, National 48, Labour 30, that’s an FPP view, and we are in an MMP environment. The combined bloc of Labour Green shows voters the election is a lot closer doesn’t it?


Well yes but not significantly different. I mean the poll out today, there was another poll from Roy Morgan which showed Labour up just one, Greens two, and they seem to be taking the votes off New Zealand First if you believe, ignoring the fact that it never works like that and polls bounce around.

Basically we’ve still got this gap between Labour Greens on one side and National on the other of about five to eight percent. 

And it still comes down to they key issue which I think the Greens privately recognise…but it’s Labour’s got to win votes off National for there to be a secure change of government, and so far we’re not seeing that.

I mean for Labour to go up and the Greens and new Zealand First to go down it just means that the sort of the same not large enough plate of beans is being passed around between three eaters.

And it’s a fact that National keeps sticking around  forty seven forty eight which is the thing that’s still got to be concerning for Labour and the Greens in particular because you can’t say that Winston’s locked into a change of government.

Anybody who thinks that doesn’t understand how Winston operates in any particular situation.

National has dropped into the low forties occasionally but also sometimes goes up into the fifties but as shown by the RNZ poll of polls “National’s average through this year has been between 44% and 48%, remarkably high for the midyear of a third term in government”.


Phil there are lots of rumours about the new internal party polling…

Substantive polling usually takes longer than two days to do (this was two days after the MoU announcement). And Labour or the Greens woukld hand their internal poll results over to blabbermouth Bradbury? (Possibly if they thought he would do a job for them)

…that would suggest the blocs are even closer. If you gain momentum could we see level pegging before the end of the year?

Roy Morgan:

During September (2015) support for National fell 6% to 44.5% now just behind a potential Labour/Greens alliance 46% (up 8%).

During April (2016) support for National fell 3.5% to 42.5% – the lowest for two years since April – May 2014, now only 2% ahead of a potential Labour/Greens alliance 40.5% (down 1.5%).

Labour+Greens have fluctuated in and out of level pegging so it’s already an unsurprising poll outcome.


Well I think that’s certainly what Labour wants to see. At the moment, ah,  you know National has been reasonably consistent in the public polls, around forty seven, forty eight.

On public poll of poll averages, yes they have been consistently in the high forties but not in individual polls as shown by the above Roy Morgan results.

Ah in our own polling they have from time to time dropped as low as forty three percent and Labour on thirty six. Ah then you can see that a Labour Green coalition could easily become government at the next election.

If Greens poll high when Labour do, but as Labour goes up Greens tend to go down (they have been as low as 8% in public polls).

And ah in the midst of all of that of course you’ve got Winston Peters who has that balance of power. I doubt that he’d want to come in with, ah, let the left if the left was still polling well behind National.

What Labour has to do as Mike Cullen has said, it’s gotta win some of those light blue votes off National. That’s what changes an election.

And ah I think there are a lot of things in that environment out there, I’m thinking of housing, and I’m thinking of transport problems in Auckland. There are a lot of things out there that people are really unhappy about in a way that they haven’t been over the last two terms of the National Government.

So the environment is there.

If Labour and the Greens look like a stable coalition force, and not like the, you know the Kim Dotcom Mana Internet mix that was at the last election, then I think there’s a prospect that Labour and the Greens can win the next election.

That’s probably an unintentional dig at Bradbury who promoted the Kim Dotcom Mana Internet mix as the supposed game changer last election.

Neither Cullen nor Goff mentioned the Memorandum of Understanding.

Some interesting and probably widely shared measured views on polls and election chances by Cullen and Goff, but since then Bradbury has ignored most of that (what would they know?) and continued on his perception building exercise that ignores basic facts about past polls.

The only shock would be if Bradbury’s claims and promotions were taken seriously.

Newshub poll

The latest Newshub/Reid Research poll:


Seems par for the course sort of results there.

Roy Morgan May poll:

  • National 45.5% (+3.0%)
  • Labour 29.5% (+3.5%)
  • Green 12.0% (-2.5%)
  • NZ First 9.5% (-3.0%)
  • Maori 1.0% (-0.5%)
  • United Future 0.0% (nc)
  • ACT 1.0% (-0.5%)
  • Mana/Internet 0.0% (nc)
  • Conservative 0.5% (-0.5%)

That’s quite similar with a bit of a bounce back for both National and Labolur to more normal levels of support.


Honesty, competence, internal polling

Swordfish frequently posts on poll related matters at The Standard and elsewhere. They seem to have detailed knowledge of internal Labour polls and also imply knowledge of internal National polls.

First, comments on honesty and competence.

Certainly the detailed breakdowns of leadership polls over the last few years suggest that Key’s/National’s popularity has revolved not so much around public perceptions of honesty as around perceptions of basic competence.

The New Zealand Election Study of 2011 found that Valence issues – especially perceptions of Leadership Ability and Economic Competence – played the most important role in vote choice for those not already firmly aligned.

And furthermore, despite the assumptions of some on the Left that Key’s image had remained entirely untarnished up until the Dirty Politics scandal erupted, his Honesty ratings had, in fact, been slowly but steadily eroding for quite some time – at the time of the September 2014 General Election, they were down more than 20 percentage points on 2009.

And yet the Nats still managed to win in 2014 and they’ve remained relatively high in the polls.

Why ? Largely, because a crucial segment of swing-voters were holding their noses and pragmatically placing perceived competence above concerns about dishonesty. (I’m putting aside the fact that the collapse of Colin Craig’s Conservatives has also played a part in keeping the Nats ratings at a respectable level and partially disguised a broad Nat-to-Oppo swing over the last 12 months).


…it’s just possible that the Panama Papers affair may be hitting both Key and the Nats in the polls as we speak. As Pat (comment below) implies, we’ll need to see what happens over the next few polls – but arguably we already have some evidence.

First, I know of 3 Polls that have been carried out since the Panama Story broke: 1 Public Poll (Roy Morgan) and 2 Internal Party Polls (Curia for the Nats / UMR for Labour).

Both Roy Morgan and the UMR have National down on 42% – its lowest rating in any poll since the last Election (with the Govt Bloc also on its lowest rating and the Oppo Bloc on a 54% high in the Roy Morgan).

The Nats are down 5.5 points on the February Roy Morgan

Swordfish’s Roy Morgan numbers for National aren’t accurate. They are:

  • February 1-14, 2016: 48.5%
  • February 29 – March 13, 2016: 46%
  • April 4-17, 2016: 42.5%

This may foreshadow a slide for National, but their previous low of 43% in June 29 – July 12 2015 was followed by a bounce back to 50.5%.

… and down a very similar 5 points on the previous 2 Internal National Party Curia polls (conducted before the story broke).

Interesting knowledge of National’s internal polls. I don’t know how widely those results are circulated.

Second, a mid-April UMR found strong concern (even among erstwhile National voters) about New Zealand’s reputation as a tax haven, about the way the Government had handled the fallout, and about the inadequacy of the proposed Shewan review.

Time will tell whether tax and trust issues will persist or whether they will fizzle out due to a lack of substance.

And third, as I mentioned in earlier comments in April, the latest UMR puts Key on his lowest ever Favourability rating of just + 2 (compared to + 16 in the final quarter of 2015, + 27 in 2014, and + 58 during his first year in power).

That looks significant but it would be interesting to compare with Curia results on favourability ratings. I know Farrar rates favourability as an important factor.

Swordfish either doesn’t have those details from Curia or chooses to not mention them.

So, too early to tell for sure, but there are at least some initial hints of a slump in Tory support. Even if they have taken a hit, though, past experience does suggest that it could be temporary. We won’t know until we know.

Yes, too early to tell if National is suffering lasting poll damage.

Not too early to tell which side of politics Swordfish is inclined towards, and it’s not ‘Tory’ (which is not a very New Zealand term).

Greens + NZ First > Labour

One aspect of the recent Roy Morgan poll that entered new territory as far as I’m away is that NZ First plus Greens surpassed Labour.

  • Greens (14.5) + NZ First (12.5) = 27
  • Labour = 26

That’s close, especially considering normal margins of error (±2-3%), and it’s just one poll that could be an outlier etc etc.

But it points to a real possibility after next year’s election, where Labour could form a coalition government along with Greens and NZ First but may not have the majority say in that group.

It could get even trickier if the Maori Party is needed to make up the numbers.

There’s other difficulties, not the least of which is whether NZ First and Greens could work together in a coalition, or whether Peters would even go into a coalition agreement that included the Greens.

But Labour’s apparent assumption that they just needed to wait until National shed support to them and they were in charge could be in real jeopardy.

Labour are struggling to be half a government let alone being the party with most of the power.

Anything could happen in the next eighteen months, but it is currently looking as likely that the Labour vote could decline further instead of recover.

National slump, NZ First surge in RM poll

NZ First is the main benefactor from large party slumps in the April Roy Morgan poll, rising to a term high of 12.5%.

National have dropped to 42.5%, their lowest poll result since the 2014 election (they were 43% in July last year).

Despite this Labour have also dropped a bit more, to 26%.

Is this a sign that New Zealand sentiment is following international dissatisfaction with establishment politics? Or is it just due to poor performances from National and Labour?

  • National 42.5% (down from 46)
  • Labour 26% (down from 28)
  • Greens 14.5% (up from 14)
  • NZ First 12.5% (up from 9)
  • Maori Party 1.5% (up from 1.0)
  • ACT Party 1.5% (up from 1.0)
  • Conservatives 1.0% (up from 0.5)
  • Other 0.5% (up from 0)

United Future, Mana Party and the Internet Party were all on zero.

7% didn’t name a party (down 1).

Winston Peters and NZ First will be celebrating this result. It’s difficult to know how much their rise is reward for their efforts, and how much is a protest vote against the two big parties.

This result should have John Key and National worried, if not alarmed. This may just be a temporary bump downwards – the jumped from 43 in July back to 50.5 last August – but if their downer persists third termitis troughs can be difficult to get out of.

Labour hopes of waiting for National to fade and picking up the spoils automatically must be wavering by now.

In Roy Morgan polls since the 2014 election Labour have made it into the thirties four times only, peaking at 32% last July and making 31% in September but since then their polling has been:

  • September 31%
  • October 29%
  • November 29.5%
  • December 28.5%
  •  January 27.5%
  • February 27%
  • March 28%
  • April 26%

It’s hard to avoid the message from that.

Polling was done from 4-17 April 2016.


Electors were asked: “If a New Zealand Election were held today which party would receive your party vote?” This latest New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll on voting intention was conducted by telephone – both landline and mobile telephone, with a NZ wide cross-section of 843 electors in April 2016. Of all electors surveyed 7% (down 1%) didn’t name a party.

Margin of Error

The margin of error to be allowed for in any estimate depends mainly on the number of interviews on which it is based. The following table gives indications of the likely range within which estimates would be 95% likely to fall, expressed as the number of percentage points above or below the actual estimate. The figures are approximate and for general guidance only, and assume a simple random sample. Allowance for design effects (such as stratification and weighting) should be made as appropriate.

Margin of error for a sample size of 1000 (this poll was 843 so will be slightly higher):

  • 40%-60% ±3.2
  • 25% or 75% ±2.7
  • 10% or 90% ±1.9
  • 5% or 95% ±1.4

Source: National vote lowest since 2014 Election as NZ First vote surges to 20 year high of 12.5%

RM poll – National down

The latest Roy Morgan poll has National down 2.5% and Labour up a tad, and NZ First up 3%.

  • National 46% (down 2.5)
  • Labour 28% (up 1)
  • Greens 14% (up 0.5)
  • NZ First 9% (up 3)
  • Maori Party 1% (no change)
  • ACT 1% (up 0.5)
  • UnitedFuture 0% (no change)
  • Conservative Party 0.5% (down 0.5)
  • Mana Party 0.5% (no change)
  • Independent/Others 0% (down 1)

Margin of error a bit over 3.2 at 50%, 1.9 at 10% (861 surveyed, 8% didn’t name a party.

The polling periods would have been up to last Sunday so won’t have been affected by Andrew Little’s stumbling this week, so a worrying lack of traction with possibly worse to come for Labour unless they find a way of turning things around.

National’s drop may concern them a bit but they been lower (down to 43) in the middle of last year and were 47% in January’s poll.

NZ First continue to surprise with higher than usual mid-term poll support, this is the highest they have been on Roy Morgan since the election in 2014.

Greens look to be benefiting from Labour languishing.


Results for the top four parties since the 2014 election:

  National Labour Greens NZ First
February 29 – March 13, 2016





February 1-14, 2016





January 4-17, 2016





November 23 – December 6, 2015





October 26 – November 8, 2015





September 28 – October 11, 2015





August 31 – September 13, 2015





August 3-16, 2015





June 29 – July 12, 2015





June 8-21, 2015





May 4-17, 2015





April 6-19, 2015





March 2-15, 2015





February 2-15, 2015





January 5-18, 2015





November 24 – December 7, 2014





October 27-November 9, 2014





September 29-October 12, 2014






Retarded advice to Labour

It’s to be expected to see a lot of advice offered to the Labour Party at The Standard. It’s less expected that this should come from Redbaiter.

The usual Labour flag wavers at The Standard must have been too busy last night to post on the latest Roy Morgan poll, which must be discouraging for Labour supporters who might have been convinced by Chris Trotter that a massive movement was emerging from the TPPA protests.

Labour won’t have been helped by Andrew Little’s odd contortions over the TPPA that offer nothing to the centre vote and nowhere enough for those further to the left.

Since Labour’s very poor election result in September 2014 – 25.13% – they have struggled to recover.

There’s been some glimmers of hope. In sixteen Roy Morgan polls they reached the thirties four times, just: 30, 31, 32 and 31.

Their last six results: 31, 29, 29.5, 28.5, 27.5

Roy Morgan polls can bounce around at times but that’s just a sorry looking slide. Labour got 27.48% in the 2011 election and are still struggling to rebuild.

But Redbaiter has come to their rescue. Colonial Viper posted Roy Morgan: NAT 48.5% (up 1.5%), LAB/GR 41.5% (unch) in the middle of the night, and Reddie has offered them his wisdom.

Really, its long past time that you guys woke up to how Key continues to beat you.

Its not rocket science, yet it appears Labour strategists are completely bereft of any ideas for turning things around.

Why can’t you see the reality that is there in such stark open relief??

Key has moved into your territory. He’s basically kept everything moving along as it was when Helen Clark was PM. He’s moved the National Party left economically and socially.

That’s only part of Key’s plan.

He knows that due to ideological paralysis, the Labour Party will not go right. He knows you will only go further left.

Which gives him his master stroke. He knows (through polling) that the NZ public does not want to go any further left, and will reject any party that tries to take them there. Right now, the NZ public is as far left as they ever want to be.

So there you are, painted into a corner by Key’s cunning strategies and your own intransigence. which he was always counting on, and you have not disappointed him.

Between a rock and a hard place and unable to think of a way out of this entrapment.

There is a way out. You have to adjust to the situation. Just like Key did. Drop the far left and stop them from polluting your public profile. Make your focus jobs and economic improvements by means of reducing red tape and other factors which may be unpalatable to you but not to mainstream NZ.

For a few examples-

Drop the AGW BS. Jobs jobs jobs.
Drop the environmental BS. Jobs jobs jobs.
Drop opposition to TPPA. Key won. You lost. You’re flogging a dead horse. Let it go. Jobs jobs jobs.
Shut down unnecessary Govt depts. Start with Joyce’s MBEI. Jobs jobs jobs.
Drop all the distracting BS about sexism, racism, homophobia, Islamophobia blah blah blah. Jobs jobs jobs.
Don’t try and buy votes with offers of free stuff. That trick is played out and has reached the end of its use by date. Jobs jobs jobs.

In other words move away from your far left ideological positions and outflank Key by playing him at his own game.

Unpalatable as it is, its the only way you’re going to win an election.

I’ve said this before. It falls on deaf ears. I don’t expect it to be any different this time, but sooner or later, the Labour Party has to make some radical changes or it will be in opposition a long long time.

Just as Key has planned it. As long as you cling to far left strategies, you’re going to be his bitch, and he’s going to continue to laugh at you.

I don’t know if Andrew Little or Matt McCarten will read that and have an epiphany but there’s some fairly obvious truths to what Reddie says, although he may be mistaken about National not going any further left, we’ll see in this year’s budget how National fulfils a in addressing ‘poverty’.

Merriam-Webster on epiphany:

a moment in which you suddenly see or understand something in a new or very clear way

Even if a miracle occurs and that happens amongst Labour’s strategists they have painted themselves into a very difficult corner. Not even their education bribe has helped their paltry poll position.

Urban Dictionary Top Definition: epiphany

a smart-sounding word for realizing you’ve been practically retarded for quite some time. I wonder if a retard could have an epiphany.

That might easily have applied to Reddie in the past but he almost sounds sensible at The Standard so would be harsh on him.

And as for Labour, there’s no sign of any realization yet.

Urban Dictionary Top Definition: retarded

To be tarded twice..

John who is tarded.. is now retarded

Labour looked tarded in their first term in opposition.

They slipped in their second term, retarded perhaps:

characterized by a slowness or limitation in intellectual understanding and awareness (

And Urban Dictionary has a third term term: Reretarded

When one who was previously retarded, becomes retarded again.

There’s time for Labour to turn things around before next year’s election. Merriam-Webster has some suggestions for the opposite of retard:

drive, encourage, goad, propel, push, spur, stir, urge; advance, aid, dispatch, ease, expedite, facilitate, forward, further, help

And Redbaiter has offered some of that.


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