What does Jesus save us from?

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What does Jesus save us from?

This a question that has puzzled me from the first time that I began to wonder, whenever I heard the constantly uttered slogan from Believers in Christianity that Jesus is our Saviour. Saviour from what?

Fortunately this is answered, reasonably comprehensively, in my view, in this summary here:

Jesus is the most important figure in all of human history. He is God in flesh (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9), physically risen from the dead (John 2:19-21), Lord (Luke 24:34), and Savior (Acts 5:30-32). He came to die for sinners (Rom. 5:8) and to deliver people from the righteous wrath of God upon us.

Are you a sinner?

Have you ever lied, stolen, lusted, coveted, or been angry with someone unjustly? If so, then you have broken the Law of God. God has said, “You shall not steal; You shall not lie; You shall have no other gods before Me; You shall not murder, etc.,” (Exodus 20). He has given the standard of righteousness and if you have broken any of God’s commandments then you have fallen short of that standard and are under the inevitable judgment of God. When you die, you will face Him and on the Day of Judgment, He will punish all sinners.

Jesus is the One we all need to be saved. Him alone. Not your works (Rom. 3:10-12; Isaiah 64:6). Not your sincerity. Not your goodness. You have nothing to offer God except your sinfulness. It is only by the love and grace of God found in Jesus and His sacrifice that you can be delivered from the righteous wrath of God upon all who have broken His law. Jesus saves you from God.

God’s wrath on the Day of Judgment is upon sinners

On the Day of Judgment God will judge all people for their sins against Him. He will judge all who have lied, stolen, cheated, lusted, dishonored their parents, etc. He will do this because He is holy and righteous. God must punish the sinner. God cannot and will not ignore the person who has broken His righteous law. The Law is a reflection of the character of God. Therefore, to break God’s law is to offend God and deny the holiness of His character. He will be vindicated. He will judge.

The Bible says that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Rom. 3:23). That means that your sins have caused a separation between you and God (Isaiah 59:2) and the result is death (Rom. 6:23) and wrath (Eph. 2:3). The only way to be saved from the wrath of God, is to be saved from it by faith in Christ (Eph. 2:8-9; Rom. 5:1). You must trust in what Jesus did on the cross to forgive you of your sins and not trust anything else, not even your own sincerity or works. It is Jesus and only Jesus who can turn away the righteous judgment of God upon the sinner.

The Gospel

The gospel is that Jesus died for sinners on the cross, was buried, and rose from the dead (1 Cor. 15:1-4). His death was a sacrifice that turns away the wrath of God (1 John 2:2). This is the only way to be saved.

Jesus is the one who died for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). He is the only way to the God the Father (John 14:6). He alone reveals God (Matt. 11:27). He has all authority in heaven and earth (Matt. 28:18). It is only through Him that you can be saved from God’s wrath (Eph. 2:3). He can forgive you of your sin (Luke 5:20; Matt. 9:2). He can remove the guilt that is upon your soul. Jesus can set you free from the bondage of sin that blinds your eyes, weakens your soul, and brings you to despair. He can do this because He bore sin in His body on the cross (1 Peter. 2:24) that those who trust in Him would be saved.

If you are not a Christian and want to be delivered from the righteous judgment of God upon you due to your sin against Him, then you must come to the One who died for the sins of the world. Come to the One who died for sinners (Matt. 11:28). Turn from your sins. Believe and trust in Jesus. Receive Jesus, who is God in flesh, who died and rose from the dead (1 Cor. 15:1-4) as your Lord and Savior. Ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins. Receive Christ (John 1:12). Only He can wash you clean from your sins and only Jesus can deliver you from the righteous judgment of a holy and infinite God. Pray to Jesus. Seek Him. Ask Him to save you.
He will.
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PS: By the way, please note that the writer of this material states that: the Jesus of Mormonism (the brother of the devil), the Jesus of the Jehovah’s Witnesses (an angel made into a man), the Jesus of the New Age (a man in tune with the divine consciousness), etc., cannot save you from your sins. That Faith is only as good as the person in whom you put it… the Jesus of the Bible. Jesus is God in flesh, the creator. God is a trinity and Jesus is the second person of the trinity.

My considered opinion on all that

I’m sorry but, looked at in the cold, clear light of rationality, modern education, plain common sense, and in the context of the modern world (or any “world” which has never had, or which long ago outgrew the foolish notion in more primitive societies that sacrifices must be made to propitiate vengeful, powerful, human-like gods) in my view, this is a really, obviously, long-out-of-date – understandable – but silly idea.

Even if you want to believe there’s some sort of supernatural, scientifically undetectable or empirically-unprovable creator – what intelligent, educated person these days can seriously be expected to still believe in this very old idea? That of sacrificing animals, plants, even humans, to placate, thank, or feed imagined gods – which it was quite reasonably thought back then must somehow be responsible for natural phenomena whose causes and mechanisms were otherwise incomprehensible at the time – that seems to have been widespread among ancient, primitive, uneducated societies everywhere ?

Even the Aztecs, who seem to have had some knowledge of astronomy, are reported to have also been in to killing & sacrificing willing or unwilling unfortunates to gods. But, like the ancient Kingdom of Israel, their civilisations eventually crumbled or were eclipsed by other peoples’, with other gods, who just ignored theirs & took over.

And even if it is accepted that Jesus of Nazareth was one of many – usually blokes – who had during their lifetime, observed the behaviour of their fellows & concluded there must be a better way for humans to live to make a kinder, nicer, more generous, more gentle, more tolerant society – thought about it, & began to formulate, teach & preach his ideas – there’s nothing particularly unusual about this.

It’s kind of common sense stuff, once you abandon the idea a primitive imaginary god – that some persuasive person or leader had thought up, & which (or who) they’d convinced others, had given them not just 7 practical common sense “laws” to prevent common causes of disharmony, violence & rage, disruption & vengeance in societies everywhere, but also dozens of other unnecessary rules, customs, & rituals to govern simple tribal peoples living relatively unsophisticated lives in places like the Middle East.

I remember realising one day that it wasn’t just my parents & my Christian upbringing, nor empathy, that had embedded in me notions of fairness, compassion, charity, self-control, patience, good & bad, right & wrong, belief in looking & working always for the triumph of virtue over evil & cruelty. As a young child, I was an avid reader of children’s books. And Many Stories, Fairy Tales, Fables, & Wise Proverbs, from many parts of the world, had done exactly the same thing.

Isn’t it much more likely that this was ALL that a wise man, Jesus of Nazareth, did? Teach his theory of better behaviour? And that the rest of it is just embellishment by his disciples & later converts who never knew him – initially just to help them sell his ideas to folk who still believed in their original imaginary god, Jaweh?

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This post and discussion may be confronting for some people – if you don’t like your religious beliefs challenged then it may not be for you.

The usual rules on decent debate and no abuse apply – this is a debate on the concepts of gods and religion, and is not an opportunity for free shots at specific groups of religious followers. Comments that I think are inappropriate may be edited or deleted.

Other guest posts will be considered on this topic, but they need to be aimed at encouraging debate and should not try to preach a particular religious position.

Letter from Save TVNZ 7 – only a few days left to sign

Dear Supporter of Public Service Broadcasting

I hope you’re enjoying the last two weeks of TVNZ 7.

It’s great to see the channel has chosen to go out with a bang – lots of strong programmes, many series continuing right up to the last week and a visionary new series called The Big Idea.

It’s gutting that such a great channel is coming to an end. No more regular documentaries, local science programmes, The Learning Hub, Kiwi arts programmes, The Court Report and so much more. It’s great that Media7 will continue on a commercial broadcaster (and possibly Back Benches) and we hope they get the same level of support from their new broadcasters even if they don’t get seen in primetime.

TVNZ 7 seems to be ending at an especially bad time. Is it just me or has our news media become more trashy and tabloid – from newspapers to magazines to television? There’s less sources of thoughtful or analytical news and current affairs – and a plethora of loud, sensational and shallow content. Yet an informed, conscious and actively-involved public is vital for a functioning democracy, for accountable decision-making and for our future prosperity.

TVNZ 7 is also a cultural asset – one of the few places on TV where you see the real New Zealand in all its quirky, good-natured and eccentric beauty. TVNZ 7 is where the politicians don’t wear makeup, local authors are celebrated, children can learn something useful and where there’s always something worth watching that won’t insult your intelligence. It’s no surprise that a third of the country watches TVNZ 7 – it’s a great channel.

Sadly our government has shown it doesn’t care and on the 1st of July, New Zealand will for the first time since television began, be without a public service television channel. We will join Mexico as the only developed countries in the world with totally commercial television chasing ratings above all else.

Why is this tragedy happening? So the government can save $16m. Yet they’ll spend $100m selling our energy companies, or $760m to extend a motorway to Warkworth. In two years the digital dividend will earn government around $33m annually and of course they could’ve just slapped a levy onto SKY and the ISP/Telcos which would have fully funded TVNZ 6, 7, 8, 9 & 10!


But it’s not over yet.

You may have seen in the news lately Save TVNZ 7 is not giving up the fight. We’ve enlisted the help of New Zealand’s top public law expert, Mai Chen; we’re still running public meetings around the country and we have two big Save TVNZ 7 protest marches coming up at the end of this month. We’re still fighting because we believe this issue is simply too important to let go, and we hope you will join us to tell the government that NZ needs public service television.

Tell everyone you know.

Oddly, the best way to tell the government to save public service television is to tell your friends and family. That’s because the government makes decisions based on regular polling of Kiwis on their current views and concerns. U-turns such as teacher ratios and mining national parks came about after frantic polling. Other political decisions such as withholding the tea-pot tapes came about because it was found that Kiwis had less respect for the media than for politicians.

With our Billboards and newspaper ads, we’ve been trying to get into the mass consciousness but our main strength are our 31,000 + petition signatories. So, please talk about the closure of TVNZ 7 and public service television with your friends, family, flatmates and Facebook fans –  and especially with the market research company who rings you on behalf of a major political organisation.

Please come to the Save TVNZ 7 marches

The Wellington march is on Thursday, 28th of June at lunchtime. It leaves Civic Square a little after 12pm walking to Parliament where we hope to present the petition to Minister of Broadcasting, Craig Foss (he’s just checking his diary before he gets back to us on this). We hope this will be a huge march opposing the closure of TVNZ 7. And we want to send a clear message to all politicians that New Zealanders want public service television – if not now then definitely in the future.

Later that day at 6.30pm, Labour Deputy Grant Robertson is holding a public meeting at St John’s Hall on the corner of Willis St and Dixon St in Wellington to discuss setting up a broader ‘Friends of Public Broadcasting’ organisation. All are welcome.

The Auckland march is on Saturday, 30th of June which is the last day of transmission for TVNZ 7. In a few days we’ll announce the route of the procession, which will end at St Matthew-in-the-City on Hobson Street at 5.15pm with speeches. Bring a candle or a flower to help us commemorate the demise of TVNZ 7, hear from people involved in the channel and the campaign to save it, and to think about new beginnings.

Sorry for the rant.

I guess in a nutshell what I’m trying to say is “Don’t give up. TVNZ 7 may seem lost but public service television is still possible in NZ and we must call for it. It is our right.”

Thanks very much also for all the donations, for coming to the meetings, writing to your MP and all your efforts already. We have already achieved great things and we have the momentum now to do even more.

Na matou, noa na

Myles Thomas and the Save TVNZ 7 team