Slater versus English and family

Cameron Slater has posted an attack on Bill English ate Whale Oil: SCUM LIST MP SAYS HE WILL VOTE FOR PAIN AND SUFFERING

Bill English has declared he will vote against any euthanasia bill put before the parliament. no debate, no reading the legislation, he is just going to let his Catholic dogma dictate how he will vote.

This is a typical Slater-type attack – Slater has been very critical of English in the past so this is not out of the ordinary. So far.

And now we see one of the problems with MMP and scum list MPs. They don’t have an electorate to listen to or canvas.

They are representative of no one but themselves and the party.Electorate MPs like Nick Smith always survey their electorate and debate the issues with voters.

Much and all as I dislike Nick Smith’s politics, in person he is a top bloke, he keeps getting elected with massive majorities because he listens to his constituents.

Slater also campaigned against MMP so it’s no surprise to see him slamming list MPs.

Until English retired from his Clutha-Southland electorate and went onto the list only last year he kept getting elected with massive majorities. In 2011 with a majority of 16,168 he got 21,375 votes,  over twice as many as all other candidates combined.

Bill English has to listen to no one but his stroppy missus.

This is a low blow from Slater, Bringing English’s wife into is a low blow. Again this isn’t out of the ordinary for Slater, he was particularly nasty during National’s Northland candidate selection slinging dirt involving the family of one candidate.

Some comments supported Slater but there more supporting English and criticising Slater managed to survive the censor’s filter and getting significant support. For example:

That’s a bit harsh. Bill is entitled to his opinion as you are of your opinion.

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Yes he is but I don’t want his personal religious beliefs to dictate what I wish to happen if the occasion arises. I would like to make my own decision and have it written down for when I am too ill to fight for that right.

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And:

Right, you’ve now lost me. When you call Bill English a”scum list MP”, that shows you to be in the same loony class as those you keep referring to as the Green Taliban and I have laughed with you at their silly antics. I happen to think, also that the Greens are loony. But I also think that there are some areas where people are entitled to exercise their consciences, and the sanctity of life is one such area.

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And:

Would you prefer him to say one thing and do another (as so many people do)? At least we know where he stands. While I might not agree with his views, I respect his right to have them.

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Compared to:

Catholic or not, this is the sort of arrogance we saw from Cullen. Please remind me who got National down to the miraculous 20% threshold?

English’s expertise lies within financial management. I for one am happy he is no where near social policy. He doesn’t have a clue and doesn’t gauge with the public very well.

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I disagree with English on euthanasia but respect his right to have his own stance on what would be a conscience issue if this was voted on in Parliament. This is the report Slater was criticising:

His deputy, Mr English, a Catholic, said today he would vote against any law change.

“The law says that if the doctor helps them die that would be breaking the law and that’s what the judgment said pretty clearly,” Mr English said on TVNZ‘s Q&A programme.

Mr English, whose wife is a GP, said he personally did not believe the law needed to change.

“My personal view is that the law is where it should be,” he said.

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While polls show a sizeable majority of people support euthanasia there are still many who oppose it, and they have as much right to be represented in Parliament as anyone.

This was also raised on Kiwiblog, and Slater is criticised by several including someone who has been a fairly loyal supporter of Slater:

Nookin

Mr Slater seems intent on re-creating himself as a man of unlovely disposition. I used to enjoy some of his more outrageous observations but, really, he has descended to a level of almost perpetual ad hominism ( if that is a word). The site very rarely contains anything of any interest other than his own insatiable desire to be heard.

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@ Nookin – WO makes his distaste of English pretty obvious. But to attack English’s wife, who to the best of my knowledge has never tried to impose her personal views on the electorate is poor form indeed.

Slater is entitled to his own view, and calling MPs ‘scum’ is typical of his critical approach, but using family members in political criticism crosses a line for most people.

Whale Oil is back, ropable

The Whale Oil blog is back up with a few teething problems, and with an unsurprising but sad first post by Cameron Slater: Scum

I’ve commented on it:

I get that you want to make a statement that you won’t back down or be shut up, but “A long drop off a short rope is probably too good for these feral scumbags” is a piss poor come back and hypocritical after your (valid) complaints about threats of violence and death.

I don’t think is going to help you.

I think Cameron is getting more entangled by his own rope.

“Every capitalist out there is scum”

There are many extreme political views expressed on blogs. A regular hard leftie at The Standard, in  response to kiwi_prometheus

Great, if people save instead of consume and try to invest that capital to keep themselves out of poverty in old age they are according to Leftists like you “EVIL CAPITALIST SCUM WHO DESERVE TO GET FUCKED!!!”.

Sigh.

…commented today:

Um, that’s the whole basis of capitalism. What you’re actually demanding is that people don’t have to pay the costs of the risks that they take.

And, yes, every capitalist out there is scum who wants money for nothing. That too is part and parcel of capitalism.

That’s fairly standard comment from Draco T Bastard. Another Standard regular (who also has his own blog) is Jackal

I wouldn’t say Draco T Bastard is hard left for thinking every capitalist is a scumbag! Most capitalists have attained their wealth from the suffering of the poor after all. If you recognize or have been a victim of a corrupted system, then viewing those who have benefited from that corruption as being scum is entirely justified.

It might not be strictly correct in terms of all rich people aren’t capitalist scum, but it is entirely justified to have formed such beliefs because of the failures inherent within capitalism, namely that it increases inequality.

Such a view as Draco has expressed is therefore not extreme at all, unless you’re arguing that inequality is somehow justified?

Jackal is a strong supporter of David Shearer and the Labour Party.

I don’t think Jackal’s view is representative of all Labour supporters, but there are certainly some who have strong socialist and very strong anti-capitalist views.

This makes Labour’s alliance with the Greens possi