Whale Oil dives deeper into dirt

Lurcher alerted me to this in a manner that was unsuitable for posting, but he makes a valid point – Whale Oil is sinking to shitty depths. One of the latest examples is a photoshopped image linking a Government MP to Charles Manson – I’m not linking to it and don’t want the image shown here.

It was posted under the authorship of ‘SB” – Spanish Bride, also known as Juana Atkins. She seems to have increased her management role at Whale Oil after the recent departure of Pete Belt.

Also posted under ‘SB’ recently was a  cartoon depicting African people as apes. Claiming ‘free speech’ is one thing but that doesn’t excuse being dirty and derogatory.

Posts under ‘Cameron Slater’ have also reverted to more of his bully blog style, with repeated petty labelling and name calling and derogatory comments. Political blogging reverting to it’s worst.

Yesterday alone, after other media had largely moved on, Whale Oil featured at least eight posts attacking MP Golriz Ghahraman and the Green Party.

That’s a gross misrepresentation, presumably deliberate, at best.

Whale Oil has also been running a sustained series of attack posts on Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern which have been at times blatantly misogynist.

All this dirt does is discredits Atkins, Slater and Whale Oil even more (if that’s possible) and gives critics justification for proclaiming the return of ‘Dirty Politics’, which has already been done, associating David Farrar and Kiwiblog and Jordan Williams, who have also been attacking Ghahraman, and also the National Party by association.

This goes far outside acceptable standards of political coverage.

Dirty bully blogging is back as Whale Oil sinks into the mud, while hypocritically regularly applauding their standards.

Will trousers stay up at Belt-less Whale Oil

Without much fanfare late yesterday at Whale Oil: Goodbye Pete

Pete has worked his last day at Whaleoil. It marks the end of five years of what has been a rollercoaster ride for all of us. A lot of what happened was not what Pete had signed up for.

Pete has forever changed Whaleoil for the better with his moderation plan. He assured Cam that the initial pushback would be worth the stress and he was 100% right. His expertise in moderating online forums transformed Whaleoil into a place where everyone felt safe to comment and where comments were as much of an attraction for intelligent content as the posts themselves.

Soon after joining Whale Oil Pete Belt led the commenter purges in 2015. While it cleaned up some aspects of the WO forums it also sanitised them, removing critical voices and protecting the post messages – some of which we now know were paid for. Some criticisms have returned, carefully, but it often looks sycophantic like The Standard or The Daily Blog, with dissent moderated out.

“Comments were as much of an attraction for intelligent content as the posts themselves.” Sadly that is mostly delusion. There are some good comments and occasional good posts (most rely on mainstream media content) Whale Oil is nothing like the ground breaking story breaking force it once was. It is now just another blog, albeit still larger than the others, but operating in a corner of New Zealand discussion now dominated by Facebook and to a lesser extent Twitter, and possibly overshadowed by quite non-blog performers like Reddit.

On a number of occasions, Pete stepped up and took up the slack. When Cam was in court for a week and a half he enabled Whaleoil to keep going when the going was really tough and when Cam needed the occasional weekend off to go hunting having Pete on staff made it possible.

Indications are that Belt held WO together through turbulent times, both financially and operationally. He will leave a big deficit in blog management.

Curiously SB (Spanish Bride) posted the announcement that Belt had left. Nothing from her husband in comments either. Perhaps some public thanks are yet to come from Cameron Slater.

Is SB taking over management of WO?

It will be interesting to see what happens there now. With content being nothing out of the ordinary now, apart from some now old hat colourful (or dirty) trashing of people and parties.

With the Belt gone, will the trousers stay up?

 

Tits for authors

I guess it’s not surprising that blogs that try to keep churning out the same number of posts as usual during a slow news period will wither keep repeating themselves or will resort to cheap hit jobs on people they have been grizzling about for yonks.

The UN vote on Israel was before Christmas but Whale Oil still managed several ‘Israel perfect, everyone else enemies’ posts yesterday. The only topics competing with that topic are collectively anti Michelle Boag posts, anti-National posts, anti-Murray McCully posts and anti Bill English posts.

A post yesterday – Kumara Bill – has amateurish and cringeworthy graphics playing a lame name game, which says more about the authors at Whale Oil than anything – in this case Spanish Bride.

Whale Oil has silly tits for authors. They’re starting 2017 offside with just about everyone in politics in New Zealand – the prospects for political consultancy aren’t looking good. Perhaps they might move to Israel.

The comments on the post quickly summed up the WO summer – as well as disparaging English they also became anti-McCully and anti-National and pro Israel.

Tits for clicks.

Sexual identity survey

Whale Oil is running a reader survey on age, gender, sexual identity and where you live.

Actually they are running a second survey because the first one was faulty.

Brief Whaleoil Readership Survey because of poorly phrased original question

Dear Readers due to my inexperience I phrased a question poorly in the recent Whaleoil readership survey so the results were inaccurate.

In order to get an accurate picture I have redone that part of the survey and hope that you will all be so kind as to answer it for us.I have also added the option of not answering the sexual preference question.

Unusually for a survey SB has also included her predictions for what she thinks results will be.

SB is mistaken if she thinks she “will get an accurate picture” from a self-selecting online poll, no matter how many times she re-arranges the questions.

There is no way of determining what accuracy you can get from polls like this. They are generally regarded as totally unreliable, except by media organisations trying to make headlines and stories.

In particular asking a question about sexual identity is at the best of times difficult to get accurate results. Particularly with deeply personal questions (at least there’s an option for “None of your business that question is too personal”) it’s well known that people often avoid answering accurately.

I am asking the question because Whaleoil was a big supporter of the gay marriage bill but we have been accused of being homophobic by the left. I am interested to see how many gay readers we have for that reason.

It sounds like she may be using the survey to try and show that Whale Oil is not “homophobic” but given that there are a number of authors and many commenters the survey makes no attempt to evaluate homophobia.

The results from the first inaccurate question, indicated that we have seven gay readers.

No it didn’t indicate that at all.

Typically there are many more readers than active participants on blogs, so a survey is unlikely to give any meaningful measure of the sexual preference of readers.

Seven respondents indicated they were gay, whether they are ot not, that is all.

There is no assurance given of privacy of information – I don’t think Whale Oil would in this case misuse information provided by readers but many people are very wary of what they divulge on the Internet, as they should be. That will increase self selection and in particular self non-selection.

The survey may be ‘fun’ for SB but there can be no confidence in getting anything like an accurate picture of the sexual identity of it’s readers.

And even though some readers may be prepared to reveal their sexual identity that does nothing to determine whether straight or gay or bi or ‘other’ participants see Whale Oil as homophobic or not.

Atkins promoting violence and intolerance

Having just posted about female involvement in domestic violence I came across this post by Spanish Bride at Whale Oil, where she is promoting extreme intolerance and violence in the wake of the Orlando gay nightclub massacre.

This is the sort of inflammatory rhetoric that can encourage nutters like the Orlander killer to perpetrate extreme violence.

This is disgraceful from a website that promotes itself as leading alternative media in New Zealand.

Face of the day

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Read what today’s face of the day Milo Yiannopoulos has to say about the Muslim terrorist massacre in Florida. Gays were targeted for death by the Muslim terrorist and Milo ( himself a gay man ) has some serious words for us all.

America has to make a choice. Does it want gay rights, women’s emancipation, and tolerance for people of all nonviolent faiths — or does it want Islam?

…So, most Muslims think I’m unacceptable. Fine. I also think their religion is unacceptable. And not just “radicals” and “extremists” — their entire, barbaric, backwards ideology. 100 million people live in Muslim countries where homosexuality is punishable by death.

We can’t go on like this. We can’t live in an America where gays fear going to night clubs, where satirists fear execution for their speech, where cartoonists consider whether their next drawing might get them killed.

Today’s killings prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that we need to give particular scrutiny to certain faiths. Gays, apostates, and women are tired of being abused, harassed, and murdered by followers of the “religion of peace.”

And politicians have to stop lying about the link between Islam and these horrific acts.

…The gay Establishment, run by far-left wackos, is of course part of the problem too. It constantly makes excuses for Islam instead of sticking up for the people it’s supposed to protect.

Wake up, faggots. The political Left is part of the problem.

-breitbart.com

Intentionally or not I think this encourages and promotes extreme violence as well as extreme religious intolerance, and it uses a tragedy to deliberately inflame.

New Zealand has to be much better than this.

Spanish Bride is Juana Atkins. Inflammatory speech and extreme violence and intolerance are as bad when promoted by women as it is when promoted by men.

Sociopath post at Whale Oil

It’s a bit odd to see Spanish Bride posting prominently as the wife of a man called a sociopath.

Andrew Little e-mails the wife of a man he called a Sociopath on One News

Andrew Little called my husband a sociopath on One News in 2014 but continues to send me chatty e-mails. If he and his Labour volunteers are too incompetent to notice that I use them for Blog posts, then I guess I will have to keep on using them. Unfortunately they are so yawn inducing that I am struggling to make fun of them.

But she goes ahead and tries. She also says:

At least there was one interesting part of the e-mail. I mistakenly thought that Labour represented the criminal class, those on benefits and sometimes the working class but I was wrong. They now want to represent middle New Zealand whatever that is.

She doesn’t explain why she had thought that Labour represented the criminal class.

But back to her headlining a historical reference to her spouse being called a sociopath, which seems odd. She is referring to this from One news in December 2014:

Andrew Little: Cameron Slater’s a sociopath who knows John Key’s secrets

Speaking on TV ONE’s Breakfast this morning, Mr Little questioned Mr Key’s judgement in not ending the relationship.

“Cameron Slater is a difficult personality, I think it’s probably not too fine a point to say he’s a sociopath,” Mr Little said.

“He’s not a person any responsible politician should be associated with, but the Prime Minister seems to have this unhealthy relationship.”

That seems mostly history now. Key appears to have effectively ended any relationship he may have had with Slater, and like most politicians and journalists has distanced himself as much as possible.

Spanish Bride chose to headline the ‘sociopath’ aspect of the comments. Is that all that’s still relevant?

Here is a sociopath check list:

Profile of the Sociopath

This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.

  • Glibness and Superficial Charm
  • Manipulative and Conning
    They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
  • Grandiose Sense of Self
    Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”
  • Pathological Lying
    Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
  • Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
    A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
  • Shallow Emotions
    When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
  • Incapacity for Love
  • Need for Stimulation
    Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
  • Callousness/Lack of Empathy
    Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others’ feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
  • Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
    Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
  • Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
    Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet “gets by” by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
  • Irresponsibility/Unreliability
    Not concerned about wrecking others’ lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
  • Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
    Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.
  • Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
    Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

There’s probably little bits of that in most of us, but those symptoms will be more likely and more prevalent with a sociopath.

Raising the historic sociopath comment by Little at all was a very odd in the post by Spanish Bride. Especially so given the timing.

Spanish Bride steps up with Muslims

I’ve been quite critical of a steady diatribe against Muslims and Islam at Whale Oil, but in a major shift in approach  Spanish Bride has posted a surprisingly conciliatory account of a meeting with some local (Auckland) Muslims.

I’m quoting more of the post than I normally would because I think it’s important to share this story and it’s sentiments – but Whale Oil deserves a click through for this.

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step

It is fair to say that I am a cynical person and that I do not trust easily or quickly. On the other hand deep down I really do want us all to get along, to find common ground, and to live and let live.Both of these feelings were uneasily swirling around inside of me when I visited New Zealand’s largest mosque with Pete.

Obviously not me – presumably Peter Belt.

Before the visit I had decided that since I was there at their invitation I would spend most of my time listening. I did ask the questions I had come to ask but I focused on listening and observing. I learned a lot and it cannot be summed up in just one article.

Good on her for taking up an invitation to see and listen for herself. And good on Pete as well.

Of the three gentlemen that I met,two of them gave me the impression of being typical Kiwis because of their appearance and manner.I felt comfortable talking to Iqbal Mohammed ( National President ) and Eqbal Khan (General Secretary and Secretary of External Affairs of the community Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama’at Nz inc ) by the end I was joking with them. Shafiq ur Rehman who is the Missionary In-Charge was more formal and serious in his manner and speech but he too dressed like a Kiwi.

We talked for a long time and at the end it was clear to me that they are as concerned about extremism and terrorism as I am. In fact they gave me a pamphlet entitled ‘Eradicating Extremism’ and a book titled, ‘World Crisis and the Pathway to Peace. I will read them and give my review to readers when I am able.

The back of their business card says ‘Muslims for: Loyalty, Freedom. Equality. Respect.Peace’

It makes sense that the Ahmadiyya community shares our concerns as in Pakistan you can murder an Ahmadiyya Muslim and take all his possessions and you will not be punished.They know what it is like to be persecuted. Britain has imported some of this hatred and it is not something that we want brought to New Zealand. This video illustrates the unbelievable lengths one Ahmadiyya mosque in Britain has had to go to in order to protect their community from Muslims who do not consider them to be following the correct version of Islam.

Iqbal Mohammed sent me the video to show me how imported extremism is getting worse in the UK. Muslims who are not tolerant of the Amadiyya Muslims and show their intolerance with death threats, violence and murder are Muslims who will equally be a threat to our New Zealand way of life. Iqbal said that extremism is something we must all stand together against in order to safeguard the future of our children irrespective of their colour creed and beliefs and I heartily agree with him.

While they (Ahmadiyya ) are not always made welcome and are in fact rejected by other branches of Islam, anyone from any religion ( including Judaism ) or branch of Islam is welcome to visit their Mosque. They believe that their branch of Islam is ‘true Islam,’ and from what I can tell it follows the peaceful and tolerant verses of the Koran.

Now before I go any further I know that there are are a few questions you all are dying to ask about the visit.  I packed a scarf inside my bag in case I was asked to cover my hair. I was not asked to cover my hair. The mosque had separate entrances for male and female and separate prayer rooms. Pete and I were taken through the same entrance. I was shown through the male areas as well as the female areas. I was even shown inside the male toilets so we could see the ablution area for washing feet.

When Pete invited himself along I wondered if conversations would be directed towards him rather than me and whether eye contact would be made with him and not me. Shafiq ur Rehman gave me most of his attention and addressed most of his explanations to me.  I did not feel  in any way excluded.  There was one difference however and one that I expected because of my knowledge of Islam. Pete was offered a handshake by the men and I was not.  I was treated with respect by all three men in every other way.

I left the mosque with one clear thought in my mind and that is that I want to be part of the solution. I have spent a lot of time alerting our readership to the dangers as I see them but now I need to focus on solutions.  The men I met at the mosque want solutions as much as I do. They feel very much the meat in the middle. On the one hand they cannot get any traction in the media when they condemn terrorist attacks and talk about what they feel ‘true Islam’ is ( peaceful, tolerant ) and  on the other hand they are on the receiving end of all the negative feeling caused by the actions of Muslims that they do not believe are following ‘ true Islam ‘.

I may not believe what the Ahmadiyya  believe but I do accept that they want to protect New Zealand from extremism and what they see as the actions of Muslims who are not following ‘ true Islam.’  We can work together to discuss solutions to protect New Zealand and to help them get heard when mainstream media are only interested in controversy or glossing over the very real dangers. While I may not agree with their version of ‘true Islam’ their actions tell me that their version is not about causing conflict. We have taken the first step by meeting and talking. It was a scary step for both sides I think but one I am glad we took.

It was gutsy of local Muslims  to invite a strident critic of Islam along to meet them, and gutsy of Juana to go and listen and see for herself.

Posting online it’s easy to get too detached from issues that involve real people, and a lot can be gained by meeting face to face.

This could be seen as a single step but it’s a big step in the right direction.

One of the strengths of new Zealand society is our ability to live and work and socialise alongside fellow Kiwis without caring and often not knowing about difference religious beliefs and associations.

We are becoming increasingly diverse as a wider range of immigrants choose to live here, but it’s essential we learn to live with more tolerance and understanding.

Kiwi Muslims could become invaluable role models for the world of Islam, and we can all play a part by showing we can get live peacefully side by side.

The French attacks and gun toting Slaterites

In the wake of the terrorist attacks in Paris Cameron Slater suggests that an armed population would be the best way to prevent terrorism.

HOW GUN CONTROL HELPED THE FRENCH AVOID A MASSACRE…OH WAIT

We hear often, mainly from the left-wing how gun control will stop massacres. That removing guns from society will prevent gun crime.

I don’t hear this. I think Slater made that up.

Fewer guns in society can reduce gun crime and shooting accidents, but that’s unrelated to terrorist massacres.

It is all rubbish of course and we saw evidence of that the other day from Paris.

Criminals ignore laws, and laws create business opportunities for those criminals. Terrorists don’t care about gun control laws, for them it just makes killing large amounts of people easier if they are disarmed by their own governments.

The French government disarmed their population and now they wonder why they are targets.

They are targets because the French armed forces are active in Syria fighting against ISIS. Guns beget armed responses.

We are in a war with Islam. They want to destroy our civilisation and replace it with theirs. We need to fight, hard.

So Europe should arm their populations to prevent terrorist attacks? Slater seems to want to allow, even encourage the people to arm themselves and wipe out ‘Islam’.

I shudder to think what it would be like if people like him were allowed to roam the streets of New Zealand, armed to the teeth,  fighting hard in our defence.

Big talk from Slater. Big stupidity. And not just from him, the Slater tag team are out in force this morning. Spanish Bride posted in Face of the Day:

Back in May today’s face of the day Dame Susan ‘Dhimmi’  Devoy was backing Winston Peter’s call to increase our refugee quota.

Do you know what else we lag behind the rest of the world in Susan? Terrorism.There is a clear correlation between increased Muslim immigration and terrorism in a western country. It doesn’t matter how they got there, what matters is the dangerous ideology and belief system that they bring with them.

I suggest two words of the day for Whale OIl, correlation and causation.

After every single Muslim terrorist attack they have gone out of their way to inform us that it was linked to Islam.They have told us that the organisation behind the attacks is Islamic yet despite this Ms Devoy the other day made a statement as ludicrous as stating that the sky is green.

Ms Devoy might not like the truth but that does not give her the right to tell such bald-faced lies. Obviously she does not want the innocent Muslim community to suffer for what the guilty Muslim community have done but that is no excuse for ignoring the obvious. It is like saying that male on female rape has nothing to do with men. Yes, not all men rape but obviously some do. The terrorists are Muslim and the ideology that they follow is Islam. It may be an unpalatable truth and the Muslim community may be keen to distance themselves from it, much like I would want to distance myself from a family member that killed someone, but that does not change the facts.

That’s a garbled message but the Slaters seem to want to wipe out Islam because of extremist Muslim terrorists. Should women of the world be allowed to arm themselves to wipe out men to eliminate rape?

Members of the Muslim community, the Muslim ‘family’ in France did massacre French civilians and they did do it in the name of Allah. Stop sugar-coating the unpleasant truth Susan. You are fooling nobody.

Blaming “the Muslim ‘family’ in France” for the Paris massacres.

Somehow though I suspect that the real problem is inside your department. Are you leading the department Susan or is the department leading you? Are they feeding you the politically correct lines? Are they telling you what to say? I bet they justify it with the rationale that the lie will protect the local Muslim community. That rationale is the same one currently being used by Angela Merkel to justify suppressing the truth about refugee violence and rape against other refugees and the local German community. Do you really want to follow in her footsteps? I assure you that history will not remember Ms Merkel with kindness.

It’s hard to know what she’s actually trying to say there. This is what Devoy said that Spanish Bride is speaking so streongly against:

New Zealand’s Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy said terrorism is not religious based and urged Kiwis to stand with the Muslim community.

“Hate starts small but so, too, does hope,” Dame Susan said.

“Terrorism has no religion and neither does humanity: we urge Kiwis to stand together in humanity.”

The concepts of religion and terrorism seemed to be diametrically opposed to me. Some terrorists use religion as an excuse to kill, but religion isn’t the cause. Misuse of religion is one of a number of factors.

Slater’s armed with keyboards are relatively harmless. let’s leave it at that. I think gun toting Slateritess roaming the streets are unlikely to make them safer.

WO #2: The changing claims about Google Ads

This is the second in a series of posts addressing claims at Whale Oil   that Google are ISIL huggers, that makes varying claims about why Google Ads ceased on Whale Oil for part of yesterday and then resumed again, that tries to raise donations to fund the ongoing operation of the blog, and that makes highly ironic claims about freedom of speech and censorship.

REVEALED: WHY WHALEOIL ISN’T RUNNING GOOGLE ADS ANY LONGER [UPDATED 5PM]

On October 29, Whaleoil published The only solution is to kill them before they kill us, an article covering how ISIS and other Islamic adherents bent on throwing gays off building and subjugating women are to be met by preemptive force to protect our way of life and freedoms, such as they are.

This set off a small but vocal part of Social Media.  No surprise:  exactly the same people who are always busy trying to damage Whaleoil in some way.   This time a petition was created to request the Human Rights Commission take Whaleoil to court for “hate speech“.   And as you’d expect, this was promoted by other blogs and even some main stream media journalists.  (Oh the irony).

More about “Oh the irony” irony later.

The post (by Whale Oil Staff) revealed why Whale Oil isn’t running Google Ads any more, except the revelation story changed through the day.

But our critics didn’t leave it there.  They have also been busy placing pressure on our advertisers.

Belt didn’t actually reveal why Whale Oil had stopped running Google Ads. He went into a now common “poor us” spiel and pleaded for donations to keep Whale Oil running (and presumably to fund his wages or drawings).

He said that critics were targeting their advertisers but gave no explanation.

Someone soon asked for an explanation.

I think I missed it… Why aren’t you using Google ads?

Cameron Slater replied:

Because they have complained to Google and Google has suspended the ads until we comply with Google’s ISIS friendly policy.

An exchanged followed:

Is there an appeal process considering you clearly were not talking about genocide but an armed terrorist group?

It takes ages, and you are essentially dealing with a machine rather than real people. Google’s motto is “Don’t be Evil” and then they support the people supporting ISIS by allowing terrorists to harm their publishers.

I don’t know if it would make it faster, but Google for me has always been really fast and effective to communicate with over the phone. A carrot and stick approach to a real person might help.

Please contact Cam with a phone number and a name if you have one. Getting hold of a real person to talk to has always been the biggest hurdle.

Done.

It’s sounds like Google will automatically suspend ads when they get a complaint until they sort the complaint out. Paypal does the same kind of thing – they will “de-credit” your account if somebody lodges a dispute. It’s happened to me twice. Both times I won but it’s a pain waiting for Paypal to investigate.

And takes ages

I have the same issues communicating with Google, we wanted to suspend advertising with them for a few months in the quiet season, but still be in the Google listings for search engines, but they cancelled the lot, it took me over 6 weeks to sort it out, ,and not one human was encountered.

Google, amongst the worlds fastest search engines, and the worlds slowest companies to respond or the worst for client service.

PS. If anyone from Google reads this and objects, don’t get your knickers in a bunch, pick up the phone NOW! You have the power to sort it immediately.

So Urbanviper said it could be done quickly and Slater said twice it “takes ages”.

Another question asked:

so what happened to Google ads?
Did google pull your account?

Suspended until we bring the site in line with Google’s requirements. But that’s a process that takes a week or two during which we have a serious downturn in income.

EDIT: Imagine doing your own budgeting, having rates, or rent, mortgage payments, food, etc and then suddenly someone takes half your income for the month? It’s not a killer blow, but it is severely disruptive.

Whaleoil will continue. No matter what. The actual people getting hurt are Cam’s family. They are the ones staring at a very lean holiday period. It’s seriously nasty.

A claim it will take “a week or two” to resume Google Ads revenue. Plus leaning on the sympathy card again. That was at 10:56 am yesterday.

Soon after another question, responded to by Slater:

How will this bode for future posts?

It is a matter of understanding what exactly trips Google’s algorithms and then not doing that again. We have a switch we can throw on any single post that turns off the ads while that post is on the page also. This is how we occasionally have content that doesn’t pass Google’s test.

The reason we got caught is because this isn’t a test we have failed before. So we will modify language, and in the cases we feel the language is compromised by modification, we turn off the ads.

That was at 11:07 am. Belt now claims that they are aware of Google’s algorithms and their post failed the test and caught them out. Nothing to do with mean lefties trying to attack their advertisers.

So they misjudged (or stuffed up) but laid the blame elsewhere and pushed the sympathy laden begging bowl hard.

At 5pm an update was added. Unless people read one buried comment by Belt admitting their actual problem with Google Ads they thought that donations were being sought to fight back against the nasty attackers of Whale Oil.

UPDATE:  5 pm

Readers started reporting the ads are showing back up, and after a while, they have started showing for us as well.    The thing that worries us is that we have not received any confirmation from Google that the problem was solved.

So we are cautiously optimistic.

However, and this is a big however, our experience with this process in the past means we have very little confidence that the ads will continue to be served until we get confirmation.  The Google Bot is even more merciless than I am as a moderator, and it is hard to appease.

In the mean time, we are glad to have some income back, and are crossing fingers hoping that email that says it’s all good now is on the way…

– Pete (Belt)

So they misled about the cause of Google Ads not running and only a vague explanation in the Update about the real cause – “The Google Bot is even more merciless than I am as a moderator, and it is hard to appease.”

With Whale Oil’s history and Pete Belt’s history of devious and untrustworthy behaviour it’s fair to be highly sceptical about this, to the extent that it’s even possible Belt shut down Google Ads himself to give him an excuse to run more fund raising.

At the least they over-egged the situation to take advantage of gullible givers.

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Blog of the Damned

A few days ago Whale Oil community relations specialist Pete belt referred to us here as “Blog of the Damned”. That’s quite funny, since he has damned most who comment here with his ban button.

The folks at Whale Oil must have more spare time than they used to because they have time to look around and see what’s happening on other blogs, like the damned blog. Spanish Bride has visited a few times (and is welcome back) but tends to talk about us from the safety of Belt’s protected sanctuary.

She posted a comment today – some one said there was a bit of truth to it and someone referred to here as “a cesspit of hate and negativity” without a hint of any awareness of the irony.

One comment here about SB’s comment: “I have to say it does have a ring of truth about it”. Let’s check her bells.

Over on the Blog of the Damned it is all they can talk about.

Incorrect.

I seriously doubt that the blog of the damned would continue if they didn’t have Whaleoil to bitch about.

Incorrect. But people who have been shafted by Whale Oil do make a worthwhile contribution here.

They are proud that there has never been a hack attempt on their blog.

Incorrect. Someone may have said something like that but one person does not represent “they”.

It seems pointless to point out to them that you need to be EFFECTIVE and powerful before anyone will expend that kind of effort to try to take you down LOL

Funny, in a different way than SB seems to see it. And also incorrect.

One of their commenters was saying our site was down at 2am. For haters of Whaleoil they sure keep a close eye on us.

Incorrect, in general at least. I don’t see or feel hate here. Regarding Whale Oil it’s more commonly disappointment at crashing such a promising opportunity, and mirth at their lack of self awareness. Ok, that’s a mix of funny/sad.

They are still EFFECTIVE at irony though, even if unintentional. Spanish Bride sure seems to be keeping a close eye on us.

If a blog wants to promote itself as EFFECTIVE, powerful, and the biggest and best blog in the land, I would have thought it would be able to handle a bit of criticism – that’s being on the receiving end I mean, they dish dollops of it out continuously.

I once thought they might learn from constructive criticism, but learning from mistakes doesn’t seem to be something they are EFFECTIVE at.

Which is a shame. An huge opportunity lost and probably now irrecoverably.

Whale Oil probably has less chance than Phil Goff, David Shearer and David Cunliffe of leading the way in national politics again. At least the ex-Labour leaders know it.